Not the same thing at all. Congress is delegated the social Power to Tax to promote and provide for the general welfare; don't whine about the law, come up with better solutions. Our welfare clause is General enough for even right wingers to come up with market friendly solutions.
The only solution is for people to go get work because it is available. Welfare programs have to be set to expire after several weeks not several months or years with more and more heaped on to them.
Only illegals don't care about the law; only practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy blame the Poor and less fortunate.
Why do we have any poverty at all if so much work is available? Why do you even bother whining about Taxes when it is soo easy according to you right wingers, to lift yourself up with better work than minimum wage jobs?
That does not give any 15 year old kid an excuse for becoming a criminal
Why would any person engage in criminality under Capitalism if it worked as claimed by the right wing? Why bother when it should be soo easy to lift oneself out of the poverty of minimum wage jobs.
I have never once made any excuses.At 14 I was orphaned stuck in an abusive foster home and decided that I was better off if I didn't stay there.and yet I stopped shoplifting when I was 15 why is that do you suppose?Where did i say it was OK?no because i still got caught by the people who were paying attention. After a while you get to know the clerks who are stoned or who would real a magazine at the register instead of doing their jobsDuring the Great Depression, with much of the United States mired in grinding poverty and unemployment, some Americans found increased opportunities in criminal activities like bootlegging, robbing banks, loan-sharking—even murder.
Crime in the Great Depression - Rate, FBI, Prohibition | HISTORY
The Great Depression saw a rise in criminal activity and the glorification of the characters involved, from daring ba...www.history.com
Criminal activity was illegal then, Seattle wants to make a lot of it acceptable. Time were different then, most of the country wasn't as mobile as it is now. So, if you stole something, people knew who you were and you didn't get away with it. Seattle wants to change that. Throw in the fact the Seattle and other cities want to defund the police, right? How does anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Criminal activity has long been legal for the rich. Did Trump go to prison for his theft?
What a useless deflection.
The reason for a criminal justice system is to take justice from the victims of a crime, and let the State handle it. If the State decides to relinquish that job, then it goes back to the people.
So the people should have resorting to stringing Trump up?
Talk about not wanting to debate the actual topic at hand.
I stated exactly what I think. I'm absolutely OK with it. We are not supposed to have a two tiered justice system.
I believe that all should be treated equally, however that has to be done.
Until it's your shit being stolen.
So how are businesses supposed to handle the deluge of shoplifters that will occur if said shoplifters know they can claim poverty?
I suppose what they do is support a justice system that treats everyone equally.
I look forward to the next round of whining about "food deserts".
Also, what happens when some shop owner decides that he is willing to protect his property with force?
What happens when the only shops surviving, are ones owned by such people?
An owner can protect his property but I have no idea how they relates to what I said.
So it is ok for the thief to steal AND it is ok for the shop owner to use force to stop him?
Is it ok for the thief to use force to steal?
Do you envision cops showing to the aftermath of gun battles and finding it to be just fine, nothing to see here, this is the new normal?
And does that change if the shop owner is white?
Depends on the force.
A kid stealing a candy bar is not a threat to the store clerk's life.
A hundred "kids" stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, is a threat to his livelihood.
again when do 100 kids enter a store at the same time outside of a riot?
A store owner can prevent a single kid from shoplifting if he's paying attention.
But do you deny that for some that stealing can be an act of survival?
Like I said when I was a teen sometimes the only thing I ate in a day was the bag of chips, or a candy bar I could pocket. I guess i should have been shot for that huh?
Funny, it is so easy for a store owner to stop, then how did you pull it off?
I got caught plenty of times but I was faster than the clerk who didn't want to chase me for the cost of a candy bar
But there were days I still had to eat something so even though I would get caught sometimes I still needed to eat something
So, you dropping that 'easy to stop" claim?
Sure. Some poor clerk is bored and that makes it ok to steal.
I said that there were times the only thing I ate in a day was a candy bar I could pocket.
You want to deny that poverty is a cause for not all but some crime
The bit where you shift responsibility to the clerk. That is implicitly stating that the actions of the thief are not to blame, ie OK.
Perhaps your guilt is making it hard for you to be objective.
Where did I ever say that?
You asked me how I got away with it. I told you.
And I don't have any guilt. I will not apologize for stealing a 50 cent candy bar because it was the only thing I would eat that day. I was 14 and it was survival.
You don't or refuse to understand that some people are put in a situation where they can see no alternative
No soup kitchens? No churches?
I call bullshit.
Wow you sound just like Scrooge
Re there no prisons, no work houses?
YEah I wanted to mingle with the mentally ill homeless and other predators that hung around the shelters. It was safer to steal a candy bar
And that's the mentality of a criminal, whatever is easier and **** anyone else.
But I guess I was still a criminal because I sold a little weed to make money but then again I only did that until I got a legit job.
Why do you refuse to even think that some people can see no option under dire circumstances?
Dire circumstances is jumping out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha beach.
You had tough situations.
And yes, selling weed at the time was criminal.
And it was also the only way I could see to earn enough money to live.
And your judgement of another's situation is meaningless.
Cold, hungry and on the streets is pretty dire to a 14 year old kid.
at 14 I had a Pennysaver route, at 16 I was working for $4.25 an hour in a pharmacy. Hell at 12 I was working with my dad shoveling people's houses out for $5 an hour (he charged $10 an hour for me).
You could have found legitimate work, you chose the easier route, the illegal route.
There were no paper routes where i lived and Daddy didn't buy me a bike for Xmas.
When I was 16 I got a job in a restaurant and stopped selling weed. I credit that man for saving my life. He gave me a job 2 meals a day and if I needed to he let me crash in a store room over the restaurant. He helped me become an emancipated minor by being a co signer on a savings account and helping me find a real cheap room to rent.
Tough life I admit, just don't try to excuse your criminal behavior because of it.
Unlike some of you I realize that poverty does lead to crime and that some people who commit crimes would not under different circumstances. I learned that at 14 but most people like you never learn that.
I have never once made any excuses.At 14 I was orphaned stuck in an abusive foster home and decided that I was better off if I didn't stay there.and yet I stopped shoplifting when I was 15 why is that do you suppose?Where did i say it was OK?no because i still got caught by the people who were paying attention. After a while you get to know the clerks who are stoned or who would real a magazine at the register instead of doing their jobsDuring the Great Depression, with much of the United States mired in grinding poverty and unemployment, some Americans found increased opportunities in criminal activities like bootlegging, robbing banks, loan-sharking—even murder.
Crime in the Great Depression - Rate, FBI, Prohibition | HISTORY
The Great Depression saw a rise in criminal activity and the glorification of the characters involved, from daring ba...
Criminal activity was illegal then, Seattle wants to make a lot of it acceptable. Time were different then, most of the country wasn't as mobile as it is now. So, if you stole something, people knew who you were and you didn't get away with it. Seattle wants to change that. Throw in the fact the Seattle and other cities want to defund the police, right? How does anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Criminal activity has long been legal for the rich. Did Trump go to prison for his theft?
What a useless deflection.
The reason for a criminal justice system is to take justice from the victims of a crime, and let the State handle it. If the State decides to relinquish that job, then it goes back to the people.
So the people should have resorting to stringing Trump up?
Talk about not wanting to debate the actual topic at hand.
I stated exactly what I think. I'm absolutely OK with it. We are not supposed to have a two tiered justice system.
I believe that all should be treated equally, however that has to be done.
Until it's your shit being stolen.
So how are businesses supposed to handle the deluge of shoplifters that will occur if said shoplifters know they can claim poverty?
I suppose what they do is support a justice system that treats everyone equally.
I look forward to the next round of whining about "food deserts".
Also, what happens when some shop owner decides that he is willing to protect his property with force?
What happens when the only shops surviving, are ones owned by such people?
An owner can protect his property but I have no idea how they relates to what I said.
So it is ok for the thief to steal AND it is ok for the shop owner to use force to stop him?
Is it ok for the thief to use force to steal?
Do you envision cops showing to the aftermath of gun battles and finding it to be just fine, nothing to see here, this is the new normal?
And does that change if the shop owner is white?
Depends on the force.
A kid stealing a candy bar is not a threat to the store clerk's life.
A hundred "kids" stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, is a threat to his livelihood.
again when do 100 kids enter a store at the same time outside of a riot?
A store owner can prevent a single kid from shoplifting if he's paying attention.
But do you deny that for some that stealing can be an act of survival?
Like I said when I was a teen sometimes the only thing I ate in a day was the bag of chips, or a candy bar I could pocket. I guess i should have been shot for that huh?
Funny, it is so easy for a store owner to stop, then how did you pull it off?
I got caught plenty of times but I was faster than the clerk who didn't want to chase me for the cost of a candy bar
But there were days I still had to eat something so even though I would get caught sometimes I still needed to eat something
So, you dropping that 'easy to stop" claim?
Sure. Some poor clerk is bored and that makes it ok to steal.
I said that there were times the only thing I ate in a day was a candy bar I could pocket.
You want to deny that poverty is a cause for not all but some crime
The bit where you shift responsibility to the clerk. That is implicitly stating that the actions of the thief are not to blame, ie OK.
Perhaps your guilt is making it hard for you to be objective.
Where did I ever say that?
You asked me how I got away with it. I told you.
And I don't have any guilt. I will not apologize for stealing a 50 cent candy bar because it was the only thing I would eat that day. I was 14 and it was survival.
You don't or refuse to understand that some people are put in a situation where they can see no alternative
No soup kitchens? No churches?
I call bullshit.
Wow you sound just like Scrooge
Re there no prisons, no work houses?
YEah I wanted to mingle with the mentally ill homeless and other predators that hung around the shelters. It was safer to steal a candy bar
And that's the mentality of a criminal, whatever is easier and **** anyone else.
But I guess I was still a criminal because I sold a little weed to make money but then again I only did that until I got a legit job.
Why do you refuse to even think that some people can see no option under dire circumstances?
Dire circumstances is jumping out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha beach.
You had tough situations.
And yes, selling weed at the time was criminal.
And it was also the only way I could see to earn enough money to live.
And your judgement of another's situation is meaningless.
Cold, hungry and on the streets is pretty dire to a 14 year old kid.
at 14 I had a Pennysaver route, at 16 I was working for $4.25 an hour in a pharmacy. Hell at 12 I was working with my dad shoveling people's houses out for $5 an hour (he charged $10 an hour for me).
You could have found legitimate work, you chose the easier route, the illegal route.
There were no paper routes where i lived and Daddy didn't buy me a bike for Xmas.
When I was 16 I got a job in a restaurant and stopped selling weed. I credit that man for saving my life. He gave me a job 2 meals a day and if I needed to he let me crash in a store room over the restaurant. He helped me become an emancipated minor by being a co signer on a savings account and helping me find a real cheap room to rent.
Tough life I admit, just don't try to excuse your criminal behavior because of it.
Unlike some of you I realize that poverty does lead to crime and that some people who commit crimes would not under different circumstances. I learned that at 14 but most people like you never learn that.
Still doesn't make taking something as dumb as a candy bar right.
Appalchia also has a strong family and community ethic that is missing among poor urban populationsWhile crime in Appalachia is low compared to national averages (see Exhibit l), part ofUp for debate is a reform proposed by Seattle City Councilmember Lisa Herbold. For up to 100 different misdemeanor crimes, including theft, harassment, shoplifting, trespassing, and more, an individual could be excused if he or she claims poverty was their motive.
“In a situation where you took that sandwich because you were hungry and you were trying to meet your basic need of satisfying your hunger; we as the community will know that we should not punish that,” King County Director of Public Defense Anita Khandelwal said of the proposal, which she helped craft. “That conduct is excused.”
The intent of the proposal is to avoid punishing desperate people just trying to survive. But the provision exempts not only stealing food or similar necessities, but stealing anything—if you claim the money gained from its sale would be used for essentials.
First and foremost, this policy would obviously incentivize more crime and more theft.
Why Seattle’s Proposed ‘Poverty Excuse’ for Crimes Would Destroy the City’s Economy
“I think it’s insane,” one victimized barber told a local news outlet. He's not wrong.fee.org
Words fail to adequately describe the idiocy behind such proposals. If you want something, steal it and if you get caught plead poverty and cry me a river. This is basically anarchy, who could operate a business under such rules? Somebody breaks into your business and steals you blind and nothing happens. Or they burn the place down citing BLM. Geez, such a beautiful place that is on the fast track to being a shithole city.
During the Great Depression of the 1930s, did a lot of people engage in looting and robbery?
Absolutely.
10 Famous Depression-era Bank Robbers - Listverse
I'll address the elephant in the room...white America is extremely law abiding, respect for law and order is deeply imbedded in our culture.
NO...criminality is not a poverty thing...look to all white Appalachia for proof.
• In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely.
For the crime of “shooting”—defined as firing a bullet that hits someone—a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely. • If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.
• In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.
What was Trump's excuse for ripping people off?
Greed. Poverty and greed are the two biggest contributor's to crime.
How did he rip people off?
Aren't we talking about how poverty correlates with crime?
Why is there such little crime in poverty stricken predominantly white Appalachia?
this is due to the predominately nonmetropolitan character of the Region. Crime levels in
nonmetropolitan areas in every part of the country are almost always well below those of
metropolitan locations.--https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/189560.pdf
It has nothing to do with the color of your skin.
a candy bar isn't dumb if it was the only thing a kid had to eat that dayI have never once made any excuses.At 14 I was orphaned stuck in an abusive foster home and decided that I was better off if I didn't stay there.and yet I stopped shoplifting when I was 15 why is that do you suppose?Where did i say it was OK?no because i still got caught by the people who were paying attention. After a while you get to know the clerks who are stoned or who would real a magazine at the register instead of doing their jobsDuring the Great Depression, with much of the United States mired in grinding poverty and unemployment, some Americans found increased opportunities in criminal activities like bootlegging, robbing banks, loan-sharking—even murder.
Crime in the Great Depression - Rate, FBI, Prohibition | HISTORY
The Great Depression saw a rise in criminal activity and the glorification of the characters involved, from daring ba...
Criminal activity was illegal then, Seattle wants to make a lot of it acceptable. Time were different then, most of the country wasn't as mobile as it is now. So, if you stole something, people knew who you were and you didn't get away with it. Seattle wants to change that. Throw in the fact the Seattle and other cities want to defund the police, right? How does anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Criminal activity has long been legal for the rich. Did Trump go to prison for his theft?
What a useless deflection.
The reason for a criminal justice system is to take justice from the victims of a crime, and let the State handle it. If the State decides to relinquish that job, then it goes back to the people.
So the people should have resorting to stringing Trump up?
Talk about not wanting to debate the actual topic at hand.
I stated exactly what I think. I'm absolutely OK with it. We are not supposed to have a two tiered justice system.
I believe that all should be treated equally, however that has to be done.
Until it's your shit being stolen.
So how are businesses supposed to handle the deluge of shoplifters that will occur if said shoplifters know they can claim poverty?
I suppose what they do is support a justice system that treats everyone equally.
I look forward to the next round of whining about "food deserts".
Also, what happens when some shop owner decides that he is willing to protect his property with force?
What happens when the only shops surviving, are ones owned by such people?
An owner can protect his property but I have no idea how they relates to what I said.
So it is ok for the thief to steal AND it is ok for the shop owner to use force to stop him?
Is it ok for the thief to use force to steal?
Do you envision cops showing to the aftermath of gun battles and finding it to be just fine, nothing to see here, this is the new normal?
And does that change if the shop owner is white?
Depends on the force.
A kid stealing a candy bar is not a threat to the store clerk's life.
A hundred "kids" stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, is a threat to his livelihood.
again when do 100 kids enter a store at the same time outside of a riot?
A store owner can prevent a single kid from shoplifting if he's paying attention.
But do you deny that for some that stealing can be an act of survival?
Like I said when I was a teen sometimes the only thing I ate in a day was the bag of chips, or a candy bar I could pocket. I guess i should have been shot for that huh?
Funny, it is so easy for a store owner to stop, then how did you pull it off?
I got caught plenty of times but I was faster than the clerk who didn't want to chase me for the cost of a candy bar
But there were days I still had to eat something so even though I would get caught sometimes I still needed to eat something
So, you dropping that 'easy to stop" claim?
Sure. Some poor clerk is bored and that makes it ok to steal.
I said that there were times the only thing I ate in a day was a candy bar I could pocket.
You want to deny that poverty is a cause for not all but some crime
The bit where you shift responsibility to the clerk. That is implicitly stating that the actions of the thief are not to blame, ie OK.
Perhaps your guilt is making it hard for you to be objective.
Where did I ever say that?
You asked me how I got away with it. I told you.
And I don't have any guilt. I will not apologize for stealing a 50 cent candy bar because it was the only thing I would eat that day. I was 14 and it was survival.
You don't or refuse to understand that some people are put in a situation where they can see no alternative
No soup kitchens? No churches?
I call bullshit.
Wow you sound just like Scrooge
Re there no prisons, no work houses?
YEah I wanted to mingle with the mentally ill homeless and other predators that hung around the shelters. It was safer to steal a candy bar
And that's the mentality of a criminal, whatever is easier and **** anyone else.
But I guess I was still a criminal because I sold a little weed to make money but then again I only did that until I got a legit job.
Why do you refuse to even think that some people can see no option under dire circumstances?
Dire circumstances is jumping out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha beach.
You had tough situations.
And yes, selling weed at the time was criminal.
And it was also the only way I could see to earn enough money to live.
And your judgement of another's situation is meaningless.
Cold, hungry and on the streets is pretty dire to a 14 year old kid.
at 14 I had a Pennysaver route, at 16 I was working for $4.25 an hour in a pharmacy. Hell at 12 I was working with my dad shoveling people's houses out for $5 an hour (he charged $10 an hour for me).
You could have found legitimate work, you chose the easier route, the illegal route.
There were no paper routes where i lived and Daddy didn't buy me a bike for Xmas.
When I was 16 I got a job in a restaurant and stopped selling weed. I credit that man for saving my life. He gave me a job 2 meals a day and if I needed to he let me crash in a store room over the restaurant. He helped me become an emancipated minor by being a co signer on a savings account and helping me find a real cheap room to rent.
Tough life I admit, just don't try to excuse your criminal behavior because of it.
Unlike some of you I realize that poverty does lead to crime and that some people who commit crimes would not under different circumstances. I learned that at 14 but most people like you never learn that.
Still doesn't make taking something as dumb as a candy bar right.
that billionaire isn't worried where his next meal will come fromI have never once made any excuses.At 14 I was orphaned stuck in an abusive foster home and decided that I was better off if I didn't stay there.and yet I stopped shoplifting when I was 15 why is that do you suppose?Where did i say it was OK?no because i still got caught by the people who were paying attention. After a while you get to know the clerks who are stoned or who would real a magazine at the register instead of doing their jobsDuring the Great Depression, with much of the United States mired in grinding poverty and unemployment, some Americans found increased opportunities in criminal activities like bootlegging, robbing banks, loan-sharking—even murder.
Crime in the Great Depression - Rate, FBI, Prohibition | HISTORY
The Great Depression saw a rise in criminal activity and the glorification of the characters involved, from daring ba...
Criminal activity was illegal then, Seattle wants to make a lot of it acceptable. Time were different then, most of the country wasn't as mobile as it is now. So, if you stole something, people knew who you were and you didn't get away with it. Seattle wants to change that. Throw in the fact the Seattle and other cities want to defund the police, right? How does anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Criminal activity has long been legal for the rich. Did Trump go to prison for his theft?
What a useless deflection.
The reason for a criminal justice system is to take justice from the victims of a crime, and let the State handle it. If the State decides to relinquish that job, then it goes back to the people.
So the people should have resorting to stringing Trump up?
Talk about not wanting to debate the actual topic at hand.
I stated exactly what I think. I'm absolutely OK with it. We are not supposed to have a two tiered justice system.
I believe that all should be treated equally, however that has to be done.
Until it's your shit being stolen.
So how are businesses supposed to handle the deluge of shoplifters that will occur if said shoplifters know they can claim poverty?
I suppose what they do is support a justice system that treats everyone equally.
I look forward to the next round of whining about "food deserts".
Also, what happens when some shop owner decides that he is willing to protect his property with force?
What happens when the only shops surviving, are ones owned by such people?
An owner can protect his property but I have no idea how they relates to what I said.
So it is ok for the thief to steal AND it is ok for the shop owner to use force to stop him?
Is it ok for the thief to use force to steal?
Do you envision cops showing to the aftermath of gun battles and finding it to be just fine, nothing to see here, this is the new normal?
And does that change if the shop owner is white?
Depends on the force.
A kid stealing a candy bar is not a threat to the store clerk's life.
A hundred "kids" stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, is a threat to his livelihood.
again when do 100 kids enter a store at the same time outside of a riot?
A store owner can prevent a single kid from shoplifting if he's paying attention.
But do you deny that for some that stealing can be an act of survival?
Like I said when I was a teen sometimes the only thing I ate in a day was the bag of chips, or a candy bar I could pocket. I guess i should have been shot for that huh?
Funny, it is so easy for a store owner to stop, then how did you pull it off?
I got caught plenty of times but I was faster than the clerk who didn't want to chase me for the cost of a candy bar
But there were days I still had to eat something so even though I would get caught sometimes I still needed to eat something
So, you dropping that 'easy to stop" claim?
Sure. Some poor clerk is bored and that makes it ok to steal.
I said that there were times the only thing I ate in a day was a candy bar I could pocket.
You want to deny that poverty is a cause for not all but some crime
The bit where you shift responsibility to the clerk. That is implicitly stating that the actions of the thief are not to blame, ie OK.
Perhaps your guilt is making it hard for you to be objective.
Where did I ever say that?
You asked me how I got away with it. I told you.
And I don't have any guilt. I will not apologize for stealing a 50 cent candy bar because it was the only thing I would eat that day. I was 14 and it was survival.
You don't or refuse to understand that some people are put in a situation where they can see no alternative
No soup kitchens? No churches?
I call bullshit.
Wow you sound just like Scrooge
Re there no prisons, no work houses?
YEah I wanted to mingle with the mentally ill homeless and other predators that hung around the shelters. It was safer to steal a candy bar
And that's the mentality of a criminal, whatever is easier and **** anyone else.
But I guess I was still a criminal because I sold a little weed to make money but then again I only did that until I got a legit job.
Why do you refuse to even think that some people can see no option under dire circumstances?
Dire circumstances is jumping out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha beach.
You had tough situations.
And yes, selling weed at the time was criminal.
And it was also the only way I could see to earn enough money to live.
And your judgement of another's situation is meaningless.
Cold, hungry and on the streets is pretty dire to a 14 year old kid.
at 14 I had a Pennysaver route, at 16 I was working for $4.25 an hour in a pharmacy. Hell at 12 I was working with my dad shoveling people's houses out for $5 an hour (he charged $10 an hour for me).
You could have found legitimate work, you chose the easier route, the illegal route.
There were no paper routes where i lived and Daddy didn't buy me a bike for Xmas.
When I was 16 I got a job in a restaurant and stopped selling weed. I credit that man for saving my life. He gave me a job 2 meals a day and if I needed to he let me crash in a store room over the restaurant. He helped me become an emancipated minor by being a co signer on a savings account and helping me find a real cheap room to rent.
Tough life I admit, just don't try to excuse your criminal behavior because of it.
Unlike some of you I realize that poverty does lead to crime and that some people who commit crimes would not under different circumstances. I learned that at 14 but most people like you never learn that.
Still doesn't make taking something as dumb as a candy bar right.
It makes as much sense as a billionaire ripping off students.
you do know most of those "rap guys" reputation is made up to sell music don't you?
nothing always works.
a candy bar isn't dumb if it was the only thing a kid had to eat that dayI have never once made any excuses.At 14 I was orphaned stuck in an abusive foster home and decided that I was better off if I didn't stay there.and yet I stopped shoplifting when I was 15 why is that do you suppose?Where did i say it was OK?no because i still got caught by the people who were paying attention. After a while you get to know the clerks who are stoned or who would real a magazine at the register instead of doing their jobsDuring the Great Depression, with much of the United States mired in grinding poverty and unemployment, some Americans found increased opportunities in criminal activities like bootlegging, robbing banks, loan-sharking—even murder.
Crime in the Great Depression - Rate, FBI, Prohibition | HISTORY
The Great Depression saw a rise in criminal activity and the glorification of the characters involved, from daring ba...
Criminal activity was illegal then, Seattle wants to make a lot of it acceptable. Time were different then, most of the country wasn't as mobile as it is now. So, if you stole something, people knew who you were and you didn't get away with it. Seattle wants to change that. Throw in the fact the Seattle and other cities want to defund the police, right? How does anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Criminal activity has long been legal for the rich. Did Trump go to prison for his theft?
What a useless deflection.
The reason for a criminal justice system is to take justice from the victims of a crime, and let the State handle it. If the State decides to relinquish that job, then it goes back to the people.
So the people should have resorting to stringing Trump up?
Talk about not wanting to debate the actual topic at hand.
I stated exactly what I think. I'm absolutely OK with it. We are not supposed to have a two tiered justice system.
I believe that all should be treated equally, however that has to be done.
Until it's your shit being stolen.
So how are businesses supposed to handle the deluge of shoplifters that will occur if said shoplifters know they can claim poverty?
I suppose what they do is support a justice system that treats everyone equally.
I look forward to the next round of whining about "food deserts".
Also, what happens when some shop owner decides that he is willing to protect his property with force?
What happens when the only shops surviving, are ones owned by such people?
An owner can protect his property but I have no idea how they relates to what I said.
So it is ok for the thief to steal AND it is ok for the shop owner to use force to stop him?
Is it ok for the thief to use force to steal?
Do you envision cops showing to the aftermath of gun battles and finding it to be just fine, nothing to see here, this is the new normal?
And does that change if the shop owner is white?
Depends on the force.
A kid stealing a candy bar is not a threat to the store clerk's life.
A hundred "kids" stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, is a threat to his livelihood.
again when do 100 kids enter a store at the same time outside of a riot?
A store owner can prevent a single kid from shoplifting if he's paying attention.
But do you deny that for some that stealing can be an act of survival?
Like I said when I was a teen sometimes the only thing I ate in a day was the bag of chips, or a candy bar I could pocket. I guess i should have been shot for that huh?
Funny, it is so easy for a store owner to stop, then how did you pull it off?
I got caught plenty of times but I was faster than the clerk who didn't want to chase me for the cost of a candy bar
But there were days I still had to eat something so even though I would get caught sometimes I still needed to eat something
So, you dropping that 'easy to stop" claim?
Sure. Some poor clerk is bored and that makes it ok to steal.
I said that there were times the only thing I ate in a day was a candy bar I could pocket.
You want to deny that poverty is a cause for not all but some crime
The bit where you shift responsibility to the clerk. That is implicitly stating that the actions of the thief are not to blame, ie OK.
Perhaps your guilt is making it hard for you to be objective.
Where did I ever say that?
You asked me how I got away with it. I told you.
And I don't have any guilt. I will not apologize for stealing a 50 cent candy bar because it was the only thing I would eat that day. I was 14 and it was survival.
You don't or refuse to understand that some people are put in a situation where they can see no alternative
No soup kitchens? No churches?
I call bullshit.
Wow you sound just like Scrooge
Re there no prisons, no work houses?
YEah I wanted to mingle with the mentally ill homeless and other predators that hung around the shelters. It was safer to steal a candy bar
And that's the mentality of a criminal, whatever is easier and **** anyone else.
But I guess I was still a criminal because I sold a little weed to make money but then again I only did that until I got a legit job.
Why do you refuse to even think that some people can see no option under dire circumstances?
Dire circumstances is jumping out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha beach.
You had tough situations.
And yes, selling weed at the time was criminal.
And it was also the only way I could see to earn enough money to live.
And your judgement of another's situation is meaningless.
Cold, hungry and on the streets is pretty dire to a 14 year old kid.
at 14 I had a Pennysaver route, at 16 I was working for $4.25 an hour in a pharmacy. Hell at 12 I was working with my dad shoveling people's houses out for $5 an hour (he charged $10 an hour for me).
You could have found legitimate work, you chose the easier route, the illegal route.
There were no paper routes where i lived and Daddy didn't buy me a bike for Xmas.
When I was 16 I got a job in a restaurant and stopped selling weed. I credit that man for saving my life. He gave me a job 2 meals a day and if I needed to he let me crash in a store room over the restaurant. He helped me become an emancipated minor by being a co signer on a savings account and helping me find a real cheap room to rent.
Tough life I admit, just don't try to excuse your criminal behavior because of it.
Unlike some of you I realize that poverty does lead to crime and that some people who commit crimes would not under different circumstances. I learned that at 14 but most people like you never learn that.
Still doesn't make taking something as dumb as a candy bar right.
a candy bar isn't dumb if it was the only thing a kid had to eat that dayI have never once made any excuses.At 14 I was orphaned stuck in an abusive foster home and decided that I was better off if I didn't stay there.and yet I stopped shoplifting when I was 15 why is that do you suppose?Where did i say it was OK?no because i still got caught by the people who were paying attention. After a while you get to know the clerks who are stoned or who would real a magazine at the register instead of doing their jobsDuring the Great Depression, with much of the United States mired in grinding poverty and unemployment, some Americans found increased opportunities in criminal activities like bootlegging, robbing banks, loan-sharking—even murder.
Crime in the Great Depression - Rate, FBI, Prohibition | HISTORY
The Great Depression saw a rise in criminal activity and the glorification of the characters involved, from daring ba...
Criminal activity was illegal then, Seattle wants to make a lot of it acceptable. Time were different then, most of the country wasn't as mobile as it is now. So, if you stole something, people knew who you were and you didn't get away with it. Seattle wants to change that. Throw in the fact the Seattle and other cities want to defund the police, right? How does anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Criminal activity has long been legal for the rich. Did Trump go to prison for his theft?
What a useless deflection.
The reason for a criminal justice system is to take justice from the victims of a crime, and let the State handle it. If the State decides to relinquish that job, then it goes back to the people.
So the people should have resorting to stringing Trump up?
Talk about not wanting to debate the actual topic at hand.
I stated exactly what I think. I'm absolutely OK with it. We are not supposed to have a two tiered justice system.
I believe that all should be treated equally, however that has to be done.
Until it's your shit being stolen.
So how are businesses supposed to handle the deluge of shoplifters that will occur if said shoplifters know they can claim poverty?
I suppose what they do is support a justice system that treats everyone equally.
I look forward to the next round of whining about "food deserts".
Also, what happens when some shop owner decides that he is willing to protect his property with force?
What happens when the only shops surviving, are ones owned by such people?
An owner can protect his property but I have no idea how they relates to what I said.
So it is ok for the thief to steal AND it is ok for the shop owner to use force to stop him?
Is it ok for the thief to use force to steal?
Do you envision cops showing to the aftermath of gun battles and finding it to be just fine, nothing to see here, this is the new normal?
And does that change if the shop owner is white?
Depends on the force.
A kid stealing a candy bar is not a threat to the store clerk's life.
A hundred "kids" stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, is a threat to his livelihood.
again when do 100 kids enter a store at the same time outside of a riot?
A store owner can prevent a single kid from shoplifting if he's paying attention.
But do you deny that for some that stealing can be an act of survival?
Like I said when I was a teen sometimes the only thing I ate in a day was the bag of chips, or a candy bar I could pocket. I guess i should have been shot for that huh?
Funny, it is so easy for a store owner to stop, then how did you pull it off?
I got caught plenty of times but I was faster than the clerk who didn't want to chase me for the cost of a candy bar
But there were days I still had to eat something so even though I would get caught sometimes I still needed to eat something
So, you dropping that 'easy to stop" claim?
Sure. Some poor clerk is bored and that makes it ok to steal.
I said that there were times the only thing I ate in a day was a candy bar I could pocket.
You want to deny that poverty is a cause for not all but some crime
The bit where you shift responsibility to the clerk. That is implicitly stating that the actions of the thief are not to blame, ie OK.
Perhaps your guilt is making it hard for you to be objective.
Where did I ever say that?
You asked me how I got away with it. I told you.
And I don't have any guilt. I will not apologize for stealing a 50 cent candy bar because it was the only thing I would eat that day. I was 14 and it was survival.
You don't or refuse to understand that some people are put in a situation where they can see no alternative
No soup kitchens? No churches?
I call bullshit.
Wow you sound just like Scrooge
Re there no prisons, no work houses?
YEah I wanted to mingle with the mentally ill homeless and other predators that hung around the shelters. It was safer to steal a candy bar
And that's the mentality of a criminal, whatever is easier and **** anyone else.
But I guess I was still a criminal because I sold a little weed to make money but then again I only did that until I got a legit job.
Why do you refuse to even think that some people can see no option under dire circumstances?
Dire circumstances is jumping out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha beach.
You had tough situations.
And yes, selling weed at the time was criminal.
And it was also the only way I could see to earn enough money to live.
And your judgement of another's situation is meaningless.
Cold, hungry and on the streets is pretty dire to a 14 year old kid.
at 14 I had a Pennysaver route, at 16 I was working for $4.25 an hour in a pharmacy. Hell at 12 I was working with my dad shoveling people's houses out for $5 an hour (he charged $10 an hour for me).
You could have found legitimate work, you chose the easier route, the illegal route.
There were no paper routes where i lived and Daddy didn't buy me a bike for Xmas.
When I was 16 I got a job in a restaurant and stopped selling weed. I credit that man for saving my life. He gave me a job 2 meals a day and if I needed to he let me crash in a store room over the restaurant. He helped me become an emancipated minor by being a co signer on a savings account and helping me find a real cheap room to rent.
Tough life I admit, just don't try to excuse your criminal behavior because of it.
Unlike some of you I realize that poverty does lead to crime and that some people who commit crimes would not under different circumstances. I learned that at 14 but most people like you never learn that.
Still doesn't make taking something as dumb as a candy bar right.
It's dumb if that's the thing you reach for.
a candy bar isn't dumb if it was the only thing a kid had to eat that dayI have never once made any excuses.At 14 I was orphaned stuck in an abusive foster home and decided that I was better off if I didn't stay there.and yet I stopped shoplifting when I was 15 why is that do you suppose?Where did i say it was OK?no because i still got caught by the people who were paying attention. After a while you get to know the clerks who are stoned or who would real a magazine at the register instead of doing their jobsDuring the Great Depression, with much of the United States mired in grinding poverty and unemployment, some Americans found increased opportunities in criminal activities like bootlegging, robbing banks, loan-sharking—even murder.
Crime in the Great Depression - Rate, FBI, Prohibition | HISTORY
The Great Depression saw a rise in criminal activity and the glorification of the characters involved, from daring ba...
Criminal activity was illegal then, Seattle wants to make a lot of it acceptable. Time were different then, most of the country wasn't as mobile as it is now. So, if you stole something, people knew who you were and you didn't get away with it. Seattle wants to change that. Throw in the fact the Seattle and other cities want to defund the police, right? How does anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Criminal activity has long been legal for the rich. Did Trump go to prison for his theft?
What a useless deflection.
The reason for a criminal justice system is to take justice from the victims of a crime, and let the State handle it. If the State decides to relinquish that job, then it goes back to the people.
So the people should have resorting to stringing Trump up?
Talk about not wanting to debate the actual topic at hand.
I stated exactly what I think. I'm absolutely OK with it. We are not supposed to have a two tiered justice system.
I believe that all should be treated equally, however that has to be done.
Until it's your shit being stolen.
So how are businesses supposed to handle the deluge of shoplifters that will occur if said shoplifters know they can claim poverty?
I suppose what they do is support a justice system that treats everyone equally.
I look forward to the next round of whining about "food deserts".
Also, what happens when some shop owner decides that he is willing to protect his property with force?
What happens when the only shops surviving, are ones owned by such people?
An owner can protect his property but I have no idea how they relates to what I said.
So it is ok for the thief to steal AND it is ok for the shop owner to use force to stop him?
Is it ok for the thief to use force to steal?
Do you envision cops showing to the aftermath of gun battles and finding it to be just fine, nothing to see here, this is the new normal?
And does that change if the shop owner is white?
Depends on the force.
A kid stealing a candy bar is not a threat to the store clerk's life.
A hundred "kids" stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, is a threat to his livelihood.
again when do 100 kids enter a store at the same time outside of a riot?
A store owner can prevent a single kid from shoplifting if he's paying attention.
But do you deny that for some that stealing can be an act of survival?
Like I said when I was a teen sometimes the only thing I ate in a day was the bag of chips, or a candy bar I could pocket. I guess i should have been shot for that huh?
Funny, it is so easy for a store owner to stop, then how did you pull it off?
I got caught plenty of times but I was faster than the clerk who didn't want to chase me for the cost of a candy bar
But there were days I still had to eat something so even though I would get caught sometimes I still needed to eat something
So, you dropping that 'easy to stop" claim?
Sure. Some poor clerk is bored and that makes it ok to steal.
I said that there were times the only thing I ate in a day was a candy bar I could pocket.
You want to deny that poverty is a cause for not all but some crime
The bit where you shift responsibility to the clerk. That is implicitly stating that the actions of the thief are not to blame, ie OK.
Perhaps your guilt is making it hard for you to be objective.
Where did I ever say that?
You asked me how I got away with it. I told you.
And I don't have any guilt. I will not apologize for stealing a 50 cent candy bar because it was the only thing I would eat that day. I was 14 and it was survival.
You don't or refuse to understand that some people are put in a situation where they can see no alternative
No soup kitchens? No churches?
I call bullshit.
Wow you sound just like Scrooge
Re there no prisons, no work houses?
YEah I wanted to mingle with the mentally ill homeless and other predators that hung around the shelters. It was safer to steal a candy bar
And that's the mentality of a criminal, whatever is easier and **** anyone else.
But I guess I was still a criminal because I sold a little weed to make money but then again I only did that until I got a legit job.
Why do you refuse to even think that some people can see no option under dire circumstances?
Dire circumstances is jumping out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha beach.
You had tough situations.
And yes, selling weed at the time was criminal.
And it was also the only way I could see to earn enough money to live.
And your judgement of another's situation is meaningless.
Cold, hungry and on the streets is pretty dire to a 14 year old kid.
at 14 I had a Pennysaver route, at 16 I was working for $4.25 an hour in a pharmacy. Hell at 12 I was working with my dad shoveling people's houses out for $5 an hour (he charged $10 an hour for me).
You could have found legitimate work, you chose the easier route, the illegal route.
There were no paper routes where i lived and Daddy didn't buy me a bike for Xmas.
When I was 16 I got a job in a restaurant and stopped selling weed. I credit that man for saving my life. He gave me a job 2 meals a day and if I needed to he let me crash in a store room over the restaurant. He helped me become an emancipated minor by being a co signer on a savings account and helping me find a real cheap room to rent.
Tough life I admit, just don't try to excuse your criminal behavior because of it.
Unlike some of you I realize that poverty does lead to crime and that some people who commit crimes would not under different circumstances. I learned that at 14 but most people like you never learn that.
Still doesn't make taking something as dumb as a candy bar right.
It's dumb if that's the thing you reach for.
yeah young kids don't always make good choices
Imagine that
Now I suppose you are going to tell me that at 14 I should have stolen a can of vegetables even though I had no can opener
I'm not a thief anymore and not too many corner convenience stores stock swiss army knives.a candy bar isn't dumb if it was the only thing a kid had to eat that dayI have never once made any excuses.At 14 I was orphaned stuck in an abusive foster home and decided that I was better off if I didn't stay there.and yet I stopped shoplifting when I was 15 why is that do you suppose?Where did i say it was OK?no because i still got caught by the people who were paying attention. After a while you get to know the clerks who are stoned or who would real a magazine at the register instead of doing their jobsDuring the Great Depression, with much of the United States mired in grinding poverty and unemployment, some Americans found increased opportunities in criminal activities like bootlegging, robbing banks, loan-sharking—even murder.
Crime in the Great Depression - Rate, FBI, Prohibition | HISTORY
The Great Depression saw a rise in criminal activity and the glorification of the characters involved, from daring ba...
Criminal activity was illegal then, Seattle wants to make a lot of it acceptable. Time were different then, most of the country wasn't as mobile as it is now. So, if you stole something, people knew who you were and you didn't get away with it. Seattle wants to change that. Throw in the fact the Seattle and other cities want to defund the police, right? How does anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Criminal activity has long been legal for the rich. Did Trump go to prison for his theft?
What a useless deflection.
The reason for a criminal justice system is to take justice from the victims of a crime, and let the State handle it. If the State decides to relinquish that job, then it goes back to the people.
So the people should have resorting to stringing Trump up?
Talk about not wanting to debate the actual topic at hand.
I stated exactly what I think. I'm absolutely OK with it. We are not supposed to have a two tiered justice system.
I believe that all should be treated equally, however that has to be done.
Until it's your shit being stolen.
So how are businesses supposed to handle the deluge of shoplifters that will occur if said shoplifters know they can claim poverty?
I suppose what they do is support a justice system that treats everyone equally.
I look forward to the next round of whining about "food deserts".
Also, what happens when some shop owner decides that he is willing to protect his property with force?
What happens when the only shops surviving, are ones owned by such people?
An owner can protect his property but I have no idea how they relates to what I said.
So it is ok for the thief to steal AND it is ok for the shop owner to use force to stop him?
Is it ok for the thief to use force to steal?
Do you envision cops showing to the aftermath of gun battles and finding it to be just fine, nothing to see here, this is the new normal?
And does that change if the shop owner is white?
Depends on the force.
A kid stealing a candy bar is not a threat to the store clerk's life.
A hundred "kids" stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise, is a threat to his livelihood.
again when do 100 kids enter a store at the same time outside of a riot?
A store owner can prevent a single kid from shoplifting if he's paying attention.
But do you deny that for some that stealing can be an act of survival?
Like I said when I was a teen sometimes the only thing I ate in a day was the bag of chips, or a candy bar I could pocket. I guess i should have been shot for that huh?
Funny, it is so easy for a store owner to stop, then how did you pull it off?
I got caught plenty of times but I was faster than the clerk who didn't want to chase me for the cost of a candy bar
But there were days I still had to eat something so even though I would get caught sometimes I still needed to eat something
So, you dropping that 'easy to stop" claim?
Sure. Some poor clerk is bored and that makes it ok to steal.
I said that there were times the only thing I ate in a day was a candy bar I could pocket.
You want to deny that poverty is a cause for not all but some crime
The bit where you shift responsibility to the clerk. That is implicitly stating that the actions of the thief are not to blame, ie OK.
Perhaps your guilt is making it hard for you to be objective.
Where did I ever say that?
You asked me how I got away with it. I told you.
And I don't have any guilt. I will not apologize for stealing a 50 cent candy bar because it was the only thing I would eat that day. I was 14 and it was survival.
You don't or refuse to understand that some people are put in a situation where they can see no alternative
No soup kitchens? No churches?
I call bullshit.
Wow you sound just like Scrooge
Re there no prisons, no work houses?
YEah I wanted to mingle with the mentally ill homeless and other predators that hung around the shelters. It was safer to steal a candy bar
And that's the mentality of a criminal, whatever is easier and **** anyone else.
But I guess I was still a criminal because I sold a little weed to make money but then again I only did that until I got a legit job.
Why do you refuse to even think that some people can see no option under dire circumstances?
Dire circumstances is jumping out of a Higgins boat onto Omaha beach.
You had tough situations.
And yes, selling weed at the time was criminal.
And it was also the only way I could see to earn enough money to live.
And your judgement of another's situation is meaningless.
Cold, hungry and on the streets is pretty dire to a 14 year old kid.
at 14 I had a Pennysaver route, at 16 I was working for $4.25 an hour in a pharmacy. Hell at 12 I was working with my dad shoveling people's houses out for $5 an hour (he charged $10 an hour for me).
You could have found legitimate work, you chose the easier route, the illegal route.
There were no paper routes where i lived and Daddy didn't buy me a bike for Xmas.
When I was 16 I got a job in a restaurant and stopped selling weed. I credit that man for saving my life. He gave me a job 2 meals a day and if I needed to he let me crash in a store room over the restaurant. He helped me become an emancipated minor by being a co signer on a savings account and helping me find a real cheap room to rent.
Tough life I admit, just don't try to excuse your criminal behavior because of it.
Unlike some of you I realize that poverty does lead to crime and that some people who commit crimes would not under different circumstances. I learned that at 14 but most people like you never learn that.
Still doesn't make taking something as dumb as a candy bar right.
It's dumb if that's the thing you reach for.
yeah young kids don't always make good choices
Imagine that
Now I suppose you are going to tell me that at 14 I should have stolen a can of vegetables even though I had no can opener
I figured an enterprising thief like you would have pickpocketed a swiss army knife along the way.
