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You don't need a "designer" to get a water molecule!!!!!the discussion is evolution verses design,,
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You don't need a "designer" to get a water molecule!!!!!the discussion is evolution verses design,,
sure,, magic will do it,,You don't need a "designer" to get a water molecule!!!!!
Well, you're right about that. But here's my question: how do you know that any of that applied to the 1st single cell life form that came to be some 3 or 4 billion years ago? How would you know the composition? Has someone proved that your analysis was correct and applied to all life forms that ever existed? Or could it be that the 1st life form was somewhat less complicated?You clearly have no concept of the insuperable statistics of polypeptide synthesis, which is the prime requisite of all life.
Except God did not create the Sun until the FORTH day!!Nobody is scraping the bottom of any barrel except you.
I'm not running.
You atheists lie and fabricate things and then giggle at your lies and fabrications and call yourselves intellectual and "scientific."
Oh and "rational."
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
Note to TNHarley the atheist Giggle Boy:
"Light" does NOT mean light bulbs. Got it?
"Light" as in the sun. Try science for a change instead of ignorant and badly misplaced condescension.
No actually it is the electrons in the outer shell, called VALENCE electrons.sure,, magic will do it,,
But not to an ignorant God!"The heavens," specified in Genesis 1:1 would, to any thinking person, include the stars and our sun. They provide light.
but where did those come from??No actually it is the electrons in the outer shell, called VALENCE electrons.
How long would it take you to throw this EXACT arrangement of pick up sticks?The physicist posed the question to every class: "How long would it take for a warehouse full of Tesla parts to assemble themselves?"
Well, you're right about that. But here's my question: how do you know that any of that applied to the 1st single cell life form that came to be some 3 or 4 billion years ago? How would you know the composition? Has someone proved that your analysis was correct and applied to all life forms that ever existed? Or could it be that the 1st life form was somewhat less complicated?
Show me where somebody says as you claim, that polypeptide synthesis was required for even the 1st life forms to exist.
1. The simplest life form we know is impossibly complex. It consists of hundreds of proteins.
The number of zeroes in the denominator may decrease substantially but it's still effectively zero probability.
2. Have you any IDEA whatsoever of what living cells are made of? It's not peanut butter and jelly.
3. We have these proteins in our bodies. YOU claim that they made themselves. The onus is on you to explain precisely how, including chirality, folding, amino acid selection, and precise chemical bonding. Trillions of times.
4. One biochemist did experiments showing that only 1 in 10 to the 170th power of proteins randomly assembled are biologically active. Since all mutations are random, that must be the starting point for your Darwinian Fantasy. You may ONLY *select* from a random mutation.
Nobody gives you the schematic in advance.
The same place God came from, the big bang.but where did those come from??
Atoms! And atoms form molecules without the hand of a handless God.Have you any IDEA whatsoever of what living cells are made of?
got a link??The same place God came from, the big bang.
I met a physics professor and we had a cordial conversation regarding Darwin's Tautology: "Organisms survive because they're fit and they're fit because they survive." This isn't right. It isn't even wrong. - Wolfgang Pauli, Nobel Laureate in Physics
The physicist posed the question to every class: "How long would it take for a warehouse full of Tesla parts to assemble themselves?"
:::: crickets chirping ::::::::
It is of course a rhetorical question, because it is abundantly clear that no warehouse full of Tesla parts would ever assemble themselves. However there is a far more subtle point which I deduced and gave to the professor after giving his brilliant question a thorough analysis.
How long would it take for all of the parts to design themselves, gather the thousands of different raw materials, process and refine themselves so that they all conform perfectly in a finished product, and then transport themselves to the one warehouse in the world? THIS is a far more impossible task than the 10,000 different parts assembling themselves, which is of course impossible.
With the schematic plans for a Tesla, we can build one. With the schematic plans of a single-celled animal, we cannot. So much for Darwinian nonsense.
Saw the thread title and sentence and thought it might me interesting.I met a physics professor and we had a cordial conversation regarding Darwin's Tautology: "Organisms survive because they're fit and they're fit because they survive." This isn't right. It isn't even wrong. - Wolfgang Pauli, Nobel Laureate in Physics
The physicist posed the question to every class: "How long would it take for a warehouse full of Tesla parts to assemble themselves?"
:::: crickets chirping ::::::::
It is of course a rhetorical question, because it is abundantly clear that no warehouse full of Tesla parts would ever assemble themselves. However there is a far more subtle point which I deduced and gave to the professor after giving his brilliant question a thorough analysis.
How long would it take for all of the parts to design themselves, gather the thousands of different raw materials, process and refine themselves so that they all conform perfectly in a finished product, and then transport themselves to the one warehouse in the world? THIS is a far more impossible task than the 10,000 different parts assembling themselves, which is of course impossible.
With the schematic plans for a Tesla, we can build one. With the schematic plans of a single-celled animal, we cannot. So much for Darwinian nonsense.
Oh, is that the question? Evolution vs design.when did I ever said god as a factor???
the discussion is evolution verses design,,
I would have to consider a lot of other facts,Oh, is that the question? Evolution vs design.
Evolution is about survival. What doesn't survive, doesn't pass on its genes.
What is the purpose of design?
Why would a "designer" design the human birth process such that without medical intervention the mother, child, or both would die about 1/3 of the time?
Why would a "designer" allow defects that can be passed from generation to generation?
In fact, why have genders at all? Human sexual intercourse is, at best, an inefficient means of reproduction and at worst, let's not go there.
Why not have mom lay a bunch of eggs in the Babomatic 3k (patent pending DADCO) then dad can deposit some joy juice and bingo bango (so to speak) 36 weeks later a bunch o babies pop out! Pick the one(s) you want and the BaboMatic 3K will recycle the rest.
AND
Since we got designers on board they could have designed things this way so why the death? Torture? Why does your "designer" hate people?
Oh, my. Those are the "quotes" that the fake chem engineer stole from (im)poster political chic.“WE CONCLUDE – UNEXPECTEDLY – that there is little evidence for the neo-Darwinian view: its theoretical foundations and the experimental evidence supporting it are weak.” – Department of Ecology and Evolution, University of Illinois, Chicago, The American Naturalist, November 1992
“Darwin’s theory is no closer to resolution than ever.” – David Berlinski, author of The Devil’s Delusion
“And let us dispose of a common misconception. The complete transmutation of even one animal species into a different species has never been directly observed either in the laboratory or in the field.” Dean H. Kenyon (Professor of Biology, San Francisco State University), affidavit presented to the U.S. Supreme Court, No. 85-1513, Brief of Appellants, prepared under the direction of William J. Guste, Jr., Attorney General of the State of Louisiana, October 1985, p. A-16.
“I can think of no other example in all of history when an important scientific theory – a dominant position in intellectual life – was held in such contempt and skepticism by people who are paying for its research. People just found that theory impossible to swallow.” – David Berlinski, 2008 lecture
In 1978, Gareth Nelson of the American Museum of Natural History wrote: “The idea that one can go to the fossil record and expect to empirically recover an ancestor-descendant sequence, be it of species, genera, families, or whatever, has been, and continues to be, a pernicious illusion.”
“There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.” (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the Harvard University, Nobel Prize winner in Medicine.)
“Most modern biologists, having reviewed with satisfaction the downfall of the spontaneous generation hypothesis, yet unwilling to accept the alternative belief in special creation, are left with nothing.” (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist.)
“I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When that happens, many people will pose the question, ‘How did that happen?’ – (Dr Soren Luthrip, Swedish embryologist)
“My attempts to demonstrate evolution by an experiment carried on for more than 40 years have completely failed…..It is not even possible to make a caricature of an evolution out of paleobiological facts…The idea of an evolution rests on pure belief.”(Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson, noted Swedish botanist and geneticist, of Lund University)
“Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever! In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact.” – (Dr. Newton Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission.)
“When you realize that the laws of nature must be incredibly finely tuned to produce the universe we see, that conspires to plant the idea that the universe did not just happen, but that there must be a purpose behind it.” (John Polkinghorne, Cambridge University physicist, “Science Finds God,” Newsweek, 20 July, 1998)
“Many have a feeling that somehow intelligence must have been involved in the laws of the universe.” (Charles Townes, 1964 Nobel Prize winner in Physics, “Science Finds God,” Newsweek, 20 July, 1998)
“It is the sheer universality of perfection, the fact that everywhere we look, to whatever depth we look, we find an elegance and ingenuity of an absolutely transcending quality, which so mitigates against the idea of chance. Is it really credible that random processes could have constructed a reality, the smallest element of which — a functional protein or gene — is complex beyond our own creative capacities, a reality which is the very antithesis of chance, which excels in every sense anything produced by the intelligence of man? Alongside the level of ingenuity and complexity exhibited by the molecular machinery of life, even our most advanced artefacts appear clumsy. We feel humbled, as neolithic man would in the presence of 20th century technology…” (Michael Denton, Evolution — A Theory in Crisis, p. 328).
“250,000 species of plants and animals recorded and deposited in museums throughout the world did not support the gradual unfolding hoped for by Darwin.” (Dr. David Raup, curator of geology at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago, “Conflicts Between Darwinism and Paleontology”)
“The pathetic thing about it is that many scientists are trying to prove the doctrine of evolution, which no science can do.” (Dr. Robert A. Milikan, physicist and Nobel Prize winner, speech before the American Chemical Society.)
“The miracles required to make evolution feasible are far greater in number and far harder to believe than the miracle of creation.” (Dr. Richard Bliss, former professor of biology and science education as Christian Heritage College, “It Takes A Miracle For Evolution.”)
“Scientists at the forefront of inquiry have put the knife to classical Darwinism. They have not gone public with this news, but have kept it in their technical papers and inner counsels.” (Dr. William Fix, in his book, “The Bone Peddlers.”)
What does not survive does not pass on its genes. LMAO Nature itself contradicts that false premise everyday.........people are born with interrupted chains of DNA......"imperfect" DNA signatures they are called deformities. Its not always the fittest that passes their genes forward to the next generation.Oh, is that the question? Evolution vs design.
Evolution is about survival. What doesn't survive, doesn't pass on its genes.
What is the purpose of design?
Why would a "designer" design the human birth process such that without medical intervention the mother, child, or both would die about 1/3 of the time?
Why would a "designer" allow defects that can be passed from generation to generation?
In fact, why have genders at all? Human sexual intercourse is, at best, an inefficient means of reproduction and at worst, let's not go there.
Why not have mom lay a bunch of eggs in the Babomatic 3k (patent pending DADCO) then dad can deposit some joy juice and bingo bango (so to speak) 36 weeks later a bunch o babies pop out! Pick the one(s) you want and the BaboMatic 3K will recycle the rest.
AND
Since we got designers on board they could have designed things this way so why the death? Torture? Why does your "designer" hate people?