The people who remember the trump economy fondly apparently aren't farmers.

[EMH]

All done by Zionists!
MAGA

In the case of 911, yes.

Did you cheer when Israel attacked and murdered ship and crew USS Liberty???

'But sir, it’s an American ship.' 'Never mind, hit her!' When Israel attacked USS Liberty

'The Americans Have Findings That Show Our Pilots Were Aware the Ship Was American,' a Newly Published Document by the State Archives Says

www.haaretz.com

The Most Incredible Story Never Told: LBJ’s Order to Destroy the USS Liberty

Understand the crimes of the evil that was LBJ, a man who is responsible for murdering JFK and implementing a failed attempt to explode the world into a nuclear war.

peacelibertyprosperity.substack.com

 

[Aldo Raine]

In the case of 911, yes.

Did you cheer when Israel attacked and murdered ship and crew USS Liberty???

'But sir, it’s an American ship.' 'Never mind, hit her!' When Israel attacked USS Liberty

'The Americans Have Findings That Show Our Pilots Were Aware the Ship Was American,' a Newly Published Document by the State Archives Says

www.haaretz.com

The Most Incredible Story Never Told: LBJ’s Order to Destroy the USS Liberty

Understand the crimes of the evil that was LBJ, a man who is responsible for murdering JFK and implementing a failed attempt to explode the world into a nuclear war.

peacelibertyprosperity.substack.com

Since the Israeli's didn't it doesn't make sense. None of your posts do. You have spun off on 10 different subjects since the OP. Proving what everyone here already knows, you're ******* nuts!
MAGA

 

[EMH]

Since the Israeli's didn't it doesn't

LOL!!

Which country attacked the USS Liberty???

 

[Aldo Raine]

LOL!!

Which country attacked the USS Liberty???

What does this have to do with the OP?
MAGA

 

[EMH]

What does this have to do with the OP?
MAGA

You should not ID as MAGA. You are a treasonous Zionist Fascist liar who cheered when Israel murdered Americans.

**** you

Go vote for Kamala with your hero Dick Cheney....

 

[Aldo Raine]

You should not ID as MAGA. You are a treasonous Zionist Fascist liar who cheered when Israel murdered Americans.

**** you

Go vote for Kamala with your hero Dick Cheney....

I will and I am not a Zionist. I am American with Scottish and Slavic heritage! Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
MAGA

 

[justoffal]

Amid Trump Tariffs, Farm Bankruptcies And Suicides Rise​

Farmers are pretty much under stress all the time since many factors that affect their livelihood are outside of their control. However, over the past few years the combination of lower prices, rain that has created havoc with their ability to plant and finally China freezing the imports of U.S. grown crops due to President Trump’s tariffs has unfortunately created almost the perfect storm against them.

Corn and soybeans are the largest cash crops grown in the U.S. per NASS, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Agricultural Statistics Service. In 2018 the value of corn was $51.5 billion, with soybeans second at $39 billion. The next largest crop was hay, a distant third at $17 billion. For comparison the value of apples grown in the U.S. was about $4 billion and oranges was $2 billion.

Amid Trump Tariffs, Farm Bankruptcies And Suicides Rise

Farmers have seen their incomes slashed due to factors outside of their control. However, tariffs imposed by Trump and China’s retaliation are making their situation even direr. This has led to a rise in farm bankruptcies and multiple people warning about the increased stress leading to suicides.

www.forbes.com

92 Percent of Trump’s China Tariff Proceeds Has Gone to Bail Out Angry Farmers​

“China” is “paying billions and billions of dollars” on U.S. tariffs, President Trump said in his debate with Joe Biden on October 22. “And you know who got the money? Our farmers. Our great farmers.”

He is half right.

Since 2018, the president has repeatedly insisted that China pays the tariffs he has imposed on Chinese imports. This claim is false—the tariffs are paid entirely by U.S. importers. His advisers, such as Peter Navarro, knowing the claim is false, have tried to defend him, and the tariffs, by arguing that China pays the tariffs indirectly, through currency depreciation and lowering export prices. These arguments are also false, as well as illogical—since the advisers also claim that such Chinese behavior benefits China and hurts the United States.

The president’s statements do, however, check out on his other point. American farmers have indeed laid claim to nearly all his China tariff revenue, which now totals $66 billion.

In 2018 and ’19, Trump authorized payments to U.S. farmers of $28 billion to offset their losses from Chinese trade retaliation. This year, with farmers struggling under the twin crises of the trade war and the pandemic, bailouts have soared way higher. Trump promised angry farmers another $19 billion in April and $14 billion in September—bringing his bailouts to a grand total of $61 billion. He has pledged to continue these bailouts until the trade war ends.

92 Percent of Trump’s China Tariff Proceeds Has Gone to Bail Out Angry Farmers | Council on Foreign Relations

www.cfr.org

Farmers flourish under Biden, see recovery from Trump-era trade wars​

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump often espoused his love for America's farmers during his presidency.
But after a year under President Joe Biden, farmers say they're actually feeling the love.

"Well, certainly the difference between 2019 and 2021 is the differences in administrations," Montana Farmers Union President Walter Schweitzer said in an interview. "In 2019, our administration was at war with all of our customers." Under Biden, he said, the nation is "rebuilding our relationships with our customers."

Farmers flourish under Biden, see recovery from Trump-era trade wars

The prices of corn and soybeans have increased and demand is up for American exports.

www.nbcnews.com

Orange jeeeesus went to Wharton but apparently didn't learn a thing about business in the real world. Why should he have since he knew he would end up inheriting a fortune?

trump's disastrous tariff policies, ones he wants to double down on if he is re-elected, have been flushed down the MAGA memory hole of the fawning fans he counts as his base. A hole with a limitless capacity for forgetting Don's many failures, scandals, general buffoonery, lies, and of course his role in the attempted insurrection. Which ended up being yet another failure.

Tariffs are painful of course at first just like any addiction to any synthetic effect is painful to take away. However without them not only would the pharmacy eventually lose their market anyway they would lose the ability to develop any other market. When you buy from China you're not just paying with your money you're paying with your job.

 

[justoffal]

What you have pointed to is like a fireman putting out a fire that he started.

Wrong.... Dependency on the Chinese market in an unfair trade balance was the fire. The tariffs put the fire out or at least are beginning to put it out. The Chinese are very clever and very patient when it comes to these things as opposed to our capitalist system which wants to see payback results in 36 months. China's willing to wait decades to destroy the source and duplicate the product. How to stop them? Tariffs.

 

[Marener]

When you buy from China you're not just paying with your money you're paying with your job.

Keeping low paying jobs manufacturing cheap consumer commodities is not a way to economic success. We shouldn’t aspire to manufacture cheap crap. We should aspire to manufacture the finest products on the planet.

We sell our high value products around the world which gives us the opportunity to buy the cheap commodity stuff we don’t want to be making.

That’s the better strategy.

 

[justoffal]

Keeping low paying jobs manufacturing cheap consumer commodities is not a way to economic success. We shouldn’t aspire to manufacture cheap crap. We should aspire to manufacture the finest products on the planet.

We sell our high value products around the world which gives us the opportunity to buy the cheap commodity stuff we don’t want to be making.

That’s the better strategy.

No argument....

However this country was built on cheap labor. I don't say I like it but history is what it is. Surrendering our manufacturing base was a huge mistake.

Having said that I tried Temu once and withdrew in horror at the appallingly low quality items I received.

Quality does mean something.

Jo

 

[Marener]

No argument....

However this country was built on cheap labor. I don't say I like it but history is what it is. Surrendering our manufacturing base was a huge mistake.

Having said that I tried Temu once and withdrew in horror at the appallingly low quality items I received.

Quality does mean something.

Jo

Why would we want to be cheap labor? If you want people to have a good quality of life, they need to earn a lot of money. If you want to earn a lot of money, you have to produce a lot of value.

You aren’t going to make a lot of value by manufacturing cheap commodity goods. The math just doesn’t work.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

A leftist could never be a crop or livestock farmer

They don't have what it takes

 

[justoffal]

Why would we want to be cheap labor? If you want people to have a good quality of life, they need to earn a lot of money. If you want to earn a lot of money, you have to produce a lot of value.

You aren’t going to make a lot of value by manufacturing cheap commodity goods. The math just doesn’t work.

Who said cheap goods? I have tools that are 100 years old that were produced by $0.75 an hour laborers. Durability has its own particular value.

 

[berg80]

You’d almost think Trump was a socialist

Yeah, you could say he redistributed wealth.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Once again I need to remind trump's sycophants that as much as anything this thread is about the undeniable fact trump doesn't understand how tariffs work.

/----/ If Trump's tariffs are sooooooooooooooooo bad, why didn't Joe remove them? Why did he keep most in place then add more? Do you even keep up with the news or just cut and past talking points from CNN?

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/10/1250670539/biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles

The Biden administration is getting ready to announce new tariffs on imports of goods from China — products like electric vehicles deemed to be policy priorities.

The announcement, which could come as early as next week, was confirmed by a source familiar with the tariff deliberations, who spoke on condition of anonymity ahead of the formal announcement of the decision.

Politics​

Biden kept Trump's tariffs on Chinese imports. This is who pays the price​

The administration has been reviewing tariffs on Chinese goods since President Biden took office — steep duties on about $370 billion of imports from China each year, put in place by former President Donald Trump as one of his signature policy moves.

The Biden administration has decided to keep those Trump tariffs in place — and in addition, add a range of strategic items to the list. The decision was first reported by Bloomberg.

 

[Dragonlady]

The Co2 FRAUD wants to abolish farmers and exterminate all farm animals.

The Co2 FRAUD wants to increase costs on farmers.

The enemy of farmers is the Co2 FRAUD.

How to tell us you live in an alternate universe with no functioning brain, without saying the words.

The enemy of farmers is Trump's tariff's. Record farm bankruptcies in every year they were in force. Dumbest move ever. Small, family owned farms got hit the hardest. So much for caring about working families.

 

[Dragonlady]

/----/ If Trump's tariffs are sooooooooooooooooo bad, why didn't Joe remove them? Why did he keep most in place then add more? Do you even keep up with the news or just cut and past talking points from CNN?

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/10/1250670539/biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles

The Biden administration is getting ready to announce new tariffs on imports of goods from China — products like electric vehicles deemed to be policy priorities.

The announcement, which could come as early as next week, was confirmed by a source familiar with the tariff deliberations, who spoke on condition of anonymity ahead of the formal announcement of the decision.

Politics​

Biden kept Trump's tariffs on Chinese imports. This is who pays the price​

The administration has been reviewing tariffs on Chinese goods since President Biden took office — steep duties on about $370 billion of imports from China each year, put in place by former President Donald Trump as one of his signature policy moves.

The Biden administration has decided to keep those Trump tariffs in place — and in addition, add a range of strategic items to the list. The decision was first reported by Bloomberg.

Biden has reduced the trade deficits with China from over $400 billion in 2019, to $279 billion in 2023, despite an overall increase of imports from China. That's because Biden increased EXPORTS to China. Something that Trump failed to do at any time during his administration.

When Trump started his trade war with China, US exports to China were $151 billion per year. In 2019, exports to China fell to $106 billion. Last year they were $147 billion. Almost back to where they were when Trump took office.

International Trade

www.census.gov