The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons.

[Indeependent]

I know there is much banter about the two state solution and it goes nowhere. Please, for this thread focus on these four reasons. Do you agree with them? Do you disagree? Are there parts that seem correct? We might actually find some common ground.

The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

SECOND -- Because of all of this and other reasons the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence will redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as is explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. If we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.

THIRD -- Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of Israel.

FOURTH -- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

NETUREI KARTA, are you mad?

what trash

Please state what points they made that you disagree with, otherwise you are just trolling. There are four clear and well articulated points. Have at it.

On the other hand, this is another thread you offer nothing but cut and paste and ask others to state their disagreements.

Why do you think any of the "points" are either clear or well articulated?

You're nonsensical. You're not capable of defending what you cut and paste. How does anyone debate a cut and paste article?

It's called psychosis.

 

[Indeependent]

OK, one page in and not one reply was on topic. Go figure as all the replies have come from degenerate atheists who pretend to be Jews and know nothing of the Torah or what it teaches. These degenerates show their antisemitism openly as all they have done is attempt to slander actual Jews who have remained true to the teachings of the Torah.

Your antisemitism is disgusting. If any of you wish to actually respond to this topic, please read the OP again and have at it. The points are clearly articulated. They are backed by our sages and rabbis throughout history.

Read. Think. Learn.

It may surprise some to learn that the views stated in the OP were the mainstream views amongst Jewish people and Zionism and Zionists were the lunatic fringe group, until the late 19th- early 20th century. Of course modern secular Zionist Israelis don't like this fact to be widely known, hence all the mockery and denial.

Uh, no.

 

[louie888]

K, three pages in now and not one disputed fact from the OP.

Let's move along to the three testimonies listed in the link from the OP of the true opinion of the Torah.

Does anyone disagree with these:

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

If so... why? Please be specific and try to stay on task lol.

 

[Roudy]

Three pages of people laughing at you for posting regurgitated garbage about a cult, and you still want more. Carry on, Achmed.

 

[Hollie]

K, three pages in now and not one disputed fact from the OP.

Let's move along to the three testimonies listed in the link from the OP of the true opinion of the Torah.

Does anyone disagree with these:

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

If so... why? Please be specific and try to stay on task lol.

"K, three pages in now and not one disputed fact from the OP."

What in your long cut and paste was factual?

 

[Roudy]

K, three pages in now and not one disputed fact from the OP.

Let's move along to the three testimonies listed in the link from the OP of the true opinion of the Torah.

Does anyone disagree with these:

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

If so... why? Please be specific and try to stay on task lol.

Event the capital city Ramallah used to be be a Jewish biblical city with a Hebrew name that the Arab Muslim invaders changed its name:

Ramah Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

Dictionaries - Smith's Bible Dictionary - Ramah
Ramah [N] [H]
(a hill ). This is the name of several places in the holy land.

1. One of the cities of the allotment of Benjamin. ( Joshua 18:25 ) Its site is at er-Ram , about five miles from Jerusalem, and near to Gibeah. ( Judges 4:5 ; 19:13 ; 1 Samuel 22:6 ) Its people returned after the captivity. ( Ezra 2:26 ; Nehemiah 7:30 )
2. The home of Elkanah, Samuels father, ( 1 Samuel 1:19 ; 2:11 ) the birthplace of Samuel himself, his home and official residence, the site of his altar ch. ( 1 Samuel 7:17 ; 8:4 ; 15:34 ; 16:13 ; 19:18 ) and finally his burial-place, ch. ( 1 Samuel 25:1 ; 28:3 ) It is a contracted form of Ramathaim-zophim. All that is directly said as to its situation is that it was in Mount Ephraim, ( 1 Samuel 1:1 ) a district without defined boundaries, The position of Ramah is a much-disputed question. Tradition, however places the residence of Samuel on the lofty and remarkable eminence of Neby Samwil which rises four miles to the northwest of Jerusalem. Since the days of Arcult the tradition appears to have been continuous. Here, then, we are inclined in the present state of the evidence, to place the Ramah of Samuel.
3. One of the nineteen fortified places of Naphtali. ( Joshua 19:36 ) Dr. Robinson has discovered a Rameh northwest of the Sea of Galilee, about 8 miles east-south-east of Safed.
4. One of the landmarks on the boundary of Asher, ( Joshua 19:29 ) apparently between Tyre and Zidon. Some place it 3 miles east of Tyre, others 10 miles off and east-southeast of the same city.
5. By this name in ( 2 Kings 8:29 ) and 2Chr 22:6 only, is designated Ramoth-gilead.
6. A place mentioned in the catalogue of those reinhabited by the Benjamites after their return from the captivity. ( Nehemiah 11:33 )

[N] indicates this entry was also found in Nave's Topical Bible
[H] indicates this entry was also found in Hitchcock's Bible Names
Bibliography Information
Smith, William, Dr. "Entry for 'Ramah'". "Smith's Bible Dictionary". . 1901.

Encyclopedias - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Ramah
RAMAH

ra'-ma (ha-ramah, without the definite article only in Nehemiah 11:33; Jeremiah 31:15):

The name denotes height, from root rum, "to be high," and the towns to which it applied seem all to have stood on elevated sites.

(1) Codex Vaticanus Arael; Codex Alexandrinus Rhama:

A fenced city in the lot assigned to Naphtali (Joshua 19:36). Only in this passage is the place referred to. It is probably identical with the modern er-Rameh, a large Christian village on the highway from Cafed to the coast, about 8 miles West-Southwest of that city. To the North rises the mountain range which forms the southern boundary of Upper Galilee. In the valley to the South there is much rich land cultivated by the villagers. The olives grown here are very fine, and fruitful vineyards cover many of the surrounding slopes. No remains of antiquity are to be seen above ground; but the site is one likely to have been occupied in ancient times.

(2) Rhama:

A city that is mentioned only once, on the boundary of Asher (Joshua 19:29). The line of the boundary cannot be followed with certainty; but perhaps we may identify Ramah with the modern Ramiyeh, a village situated on a hill which rises in the midst of a hollow, some 13 miles Southeast of Tyre, and 12 miles East of the Ladder of Tyre. To the Southwest is a marshy lake which dries up in summer. Traces of antiquity are found in the cisterns, a large reservoir and many sarcophagi. To the West is the high hill Belat, with ancient ruins, and remains of a temple of which several columns are still in situ.

 

[louie888]

K, three pages in now and not one disputed fact from the OP.

Let's move along to the three testimonies listed in the link from the OP of the true opinion of the Torah.

Does anyone disagree with these:

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

If so... why? Please be specific and try to stay on task lol.

Event the capital city Ramallah used to be be a Jewish biblical city with a Hebrew name that the Arab Muslim invaders changed its name:

Ramah Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

Dictionaries - Smith's Bible Dictionary - Ramah
Ramah [N] [H]
(a hill ). This is the name of several places in the holy land.

1. One of the cities of the allotment of Benjamin. ( Joshua 18:25 ) Its site is at er-Ram , about five miles from Jerusalem, and near to Gibeah. ( Judges 4:5 ; 19:13 ; 1 Samuel 22:6 ) Its people returned after the captivity. ( Ezra 2:26 ; Nehemiah 7:30 )
2. The home of Elkanah, Samuels father, ( 1 Samuel 1:19 ; 2:11 ) the birthplace of Samuel himself, his home and official residence, the site of his altar ch. ( 1 Samuel 7:17 ; 8:4 ; 15:34 ; 16:13 ; 19:18 ) and finally his burial-place, ch. ( 1 Samuel 25:1 ; 28:3 ) It is a contracted form of Ramathaim-zophim. All that is directly said as to its situation is that it was in Mount Ephraim, ( 1 Samuel 1:1 ) a district without defined boundaries, The position of Ramah is a much-disputed question. Tradition, however places the residence of Samuel on the lofty and remarkable eminence of Neby Samwil which rises four miles to the northwest of Jerusalem. Since the days of Arcult the tradition appears to have been continuous. Here, then, we are inclined in the present state of the evidence, to place the Ramah of Samuel.
3. One of the nineteen fortified places of Naphtali. ( Joshua 19:36 ) Dr. Robinson has discovered a Rameh northwest of the Sea of Galilee, about 8 miles east-south-east of Safed.
4. One of the landmarks on the boundary of Asher, ( Joshua 19:29 ) apparently between Tyre and Zidon. Some place it 3 miles east of Tyre, others 10 miles off and east-southeast of the same city.
5. By this name in ( 2 Kings 8:29 ) and 2Chr 22:6 only, is designated Ramoth-gilead.
6. A place mentioned in the catalogue of those reinhabited by the Benjamites after their return from the captivity. ( Nehemiah 11:33 )

[N] indicates this entry was also found in Nave's Topical Bible
[H] indicates this entry was also found in Hitchcock's Bible Names
Bibliography Information
Smith, William, Dr. "Entry for 'Ramah'". "Smith's Bible Dictionary". . 1901.

Encyclopedias - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Ramah
RAMAH

ra'-ma (ha-ramah, without the definite article only in Nehemiah 11:33; Jeremiah 31:15):

The name denotes height, from root rum, "to be high," and the towns to which it applied seem all to have stood on elevated sites.

(1) Codex Vaticanus Arael; Codex Alexandrinus Rhama:

A fenced city in the lot assigned to Naphtali (Joshua 19:36). Only in this passage is the place referred to. It is probably identical with the modern er-Rameh, a large Christian village on the highway from Cafed to the coast, about 8 miles West-Southwest of that city. To the North rises the mountain range which forms the southern boundary of Upper Galilee. In the valley to the South there is much rich land cultivated by the villagers. The olives grown here are very fine, and fruitful vineyards cover many of the surrounding slopes. No remains of antiquity are to be seen above ground; but the site is one likely to have been occupied in ancient times.

(2) Rhama:

A city that is mentioned only once, on the boundary of Asher (Joshua 19:29). The line of the boundary cannot be followed with certainty; but perhaps we may identify Ramah with the modern Ramiyeh, a village situated on a hill which rises in the midst of a hollow, some 13 miles Southeast of Tyre, and 12 miles East of the Ladder of Tyre. To the Southwest is a marshy lake which dries up in summer. Traces of antiquity are found in the cisterns, a large reservoir and many sarcophagi. To the West is the high hill Belat, with ancient ruins, and remains of a temple of which several columns are still in situ.

Problem one: You forgot which thread you were on.

Problem 2: The bible is not an historical reference.

 

[louie888]

This is the true opinion of the Torah.

Does anyone disagree with these... FOCUS:

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

 

[teddyearp]

OP REALLY needs to move out of his momma's basement and get a grip and a life.

 

[montelatici]

OP REALLY needs to move out of his momma's basement and get a grip and a life.

Now that's funny given we have the poster boy for the Hasbara mama's boy basement dweller constantly quoting the old testament as the basis for the Zionist's claim to land on another continent.

 

[Roudy]

And then we have other antisemtic trolls, telling us that the Old Testament, the foundation for all three faiths, is "obsolete to Christians". The insanity is quite entertaining, I have to admit.

 

[Roudy]

K, three pages in now and not one disputed fact from the OP.

Let's move along to the three testimonies listed in the link from the OP of the true opinion of the Torah.

Does anyone disagree with these:

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

If so... why? Please be specific and try to stay on task lol.

Event the capital city Ramallah used to be be a Jewish biblical city with a Hebrew name that the Arab Muslim invaders changed its name:

Ramah Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

Dictionaries - Smith's Bible Dictionary - Ramah
Ramah [N] [H]
(a hill ). This is the name of several places in the holy land.

1. One of the cities of the allotment of Benjamin. ( Joshua 18:25 ) Its site is at er-Ram , about five miles from Jerusalem, and near to Gibeah. ( Judges 4:5 ; 19:13 ; 1 Samuel 22:6 ) Its people returned after the captivity. ( Ezra 2:26 ; Nehemiah 7:30 )
2. The home of Elkanah, Samuels father, ( 1 Samuel 1:19 ; 2:11 ) the birthplace of Samuel himself, his home and official residence, the site of his altar ch. ( 1 Samuel 7:17 ; 8:4 ; 15:34 ; 16:13 ; 19:18 ) and finally his burial-place, ch. ( 1 Samuel 25:1 ; 28:3 ) It is a contracted form of Ramathaim-zophim. All that is directly said as to its situation is that it was in Mount Ephraim, ( 1 Samuel 1:1 ) a district without defined boundaries, The position of Ramah is a much-disputed question. Tradition, however places the residence of Samuel on the lofty and remarkable eminence of Neby Samwil which rises four miles to the northwest of Jerusalem. Since the days of Arcult the tradition appears to have been continuous. Here, then, we are inclined in the present state of the evidence, to place the Ramah of Samuel.
3. One of the nineteen fortified places of Naphtali. ( Joshua 19:36 ) Dr. Robinson has discovered a Rameh northwest of the Sea of Galilee, about 8 miles east-south-east of Safed.
4. One of the landmarks on the boundary of Asher, ( Joshua 19:29 ) apparently between Tyre and Zidon. Some place it 3 miles east of Tyre, others 10 miles off and east-southeast of the same city.
5. By this name in ( 2 Kings 8:29 ) and 2Chr 22:6 only, is designated Ramoth-gilead.
6. A place mentioned in the catalogue of those reinhabited by the Benjamites after their return from the captivity. ( Nehemiah 11:33 )

[N] indicates this entry was also found in Nave's Topical Bible
[H] indicates this entry was also found in Hitchcock's Bible Names
Bibliography Information
Smith, William, Dr. "Entry for 'Ramah'". "Smith's Bible Dictionary". . 1901.

Encyclopedias - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Ramah
RAMAH

ra'-ma (ha-ramah, without the definite article only in Nehemiah 11:33; Jeremiah 31:15):

The name denotes height, from root rum, "to be high," and the towns to which it applied seem all to have stood on elevated sites.

(1) Codex Vaticanus Arael; Codex Alexandrinus Rhama:

A fenced city in the lot assigned to Naphtali (Joshua 19:36). Only in this passage is the place referred to. It is probably identical with the modern er-Rameh, a large Christian village on the highway from Cafed to the coast, about 8 miles West-Southwest of that city. To the North rises the mountain range which forms the southern boundary of Upper Galilee. In the valley to the South there is much rich land cultivated by the villagers. The olives grown here are very fine, and fruitful vineyards cover many of the surrounding slopes. No remains of antiquity are to be seen above ground; but the site is one likely to have been occupied in ancient times.

(2) Rhama:

A city that is mentioned only once, on the boundary of Asher (Joshua 19:29). The line of the boundary cannot be followed with certainty; but perhaps we may identify Ramah with the modern Ramiyeh, a village situated on a hill which rises in the midst of a hollow, some 13 miles Southeast of Tyre, and 12 miles East of the Ladder of Tyre. To the Southwest is a marshy lake which dries up in summer. Traces of antiquity are found in the cisterns, a large reservoir and many sarcophagi. To the West is the high hill Belat, with ancient ruins, and remains of a temple of which several columns are still in situ.

Problem one: You forgot which thread you were on.

Problem 2: The bible is not an historical reference.

Your problem 3: You didn't read the post properly so you didn't figure out that it was archeological and historical evidence that proves that even cities like Ramallah originally had Jewish names, or in this case kept its Jewish root, Ramah, and added an "Allah" to it to make it Muslim. In other words, originally Jewish cities cited the Bible in many cases can be backed up by actual archeological and historic evidence. Israel and Jerusalem never stopped being central to the Jewish people and their faith, never.

 

[aris2chat]

A fringe group of a couple of thousand in NY is not the people of Israel

Anything from them should be taken with a large tanker of salt

 

[louie888]

Maybe it would be easier for y'all if we took them one at a time?

Let's try...

The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

 

[Indeependent]

Maybe it would be easier for y'all if we took them one at a time?

Let's try...

The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

The fact that Israel has humiliated over 1 billion enemies in the last 60 years is proof enough for sane people that God wants the Jews there.
As far as Rabbinical opinions go, you have zero idea what you are talking about.
Now go play Homicide Bomber with your mother.

 

[Shusha]

I continue to reject your premise that political events or conflicts should be solved by theology.

However, if you want to discuss this on the Religion boards, I'm down.

 

[aris2chat]

Maybe it would be easier for y'all if we took them one at a time?

Let's try...

The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:

FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

NK are NOT the people of Israel.

they amount to a couple of thousand, mostly from NY with their own interpretation of the Torah and talmud that don't conform with most Orthodox in the rest of the world and Israel.

Palestinians and Iranians like to quote them for their anti-israeli views. Most jews don't recognize them or see them as some cult.

You can keep trying to repost the same nonsense but it won't make what they say factual and not in the least mainstream judaism.

They are not "the people" of Israel.

 

[louie888]

And still, not one refutation of their words.

 

[Indeependent]

And still, not one refutation of their words.

Why should anyone need to refute the opinion of less than one percent of a population?
We are simply ignoring them.

 

[teddyearp]

As we should this poster. I am seriously wondering why it hadn't been banned yet. They banned Parture for the same behavior.