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A quick look at think progress indicates that I wasn't that far off..
We Saved The Ozone Layer. We Can Save The Climate.
clip: Congress held hearings under the bipartisan leadership of Senators Max Baucus, John Chafee, and Al Gore, and Representatives Henry Waxman and Sherwood Boehlert, keeping the danger in the public eye. And the news media covered the story, without giving equal time to marginal skeptics.
The discovery of the Antarctic ozone hole added new urgency. By 1986, even the chemical industry acknowledged CFC limits were needed.
The chemical industry being 3m who made billions on their CFC free freon replacement...abd those marginal skeptics were pointing out that the holes were always there and talking about the science of the ozone layer and how it couldn't be destroyed so long as there was O2 in the stratosphere and UV coming in from the sun.
The idea that the treaty negotiated and enacted by George HW Bush was a precursor to the global warming movement whatever that means is so totally whacked as to defy logic and a rational excuse.
The protocol worked as the ozone layer is recovering.
What i find amusing is the hole was well on its way to developing long before we even began using CFC's and now its not responding to near zero interference as the sun output wains..The idea that the treaty negotiated and enacted by George HW Bush was a precursor to the global warming movement whatever that means is so totally whacked as to defy logic and a rational excuse.
You seem to have missed the entire point entirely. The theory about "being a model for the GW movement" is secondary to the SCIENCE and the data telling us that the "Ozone hole" fright was NEVER REALLY FIXED. The leadership of the world went on a wild goose chase with brand new satellite toys in the 70s and 80s and created a WORLD WIDE CRISIS where the CFC production went to ZERO -- but the ozone hole never DECREASED.
They just declared victory and moved on. All the lemmings and the lemming leaders. Because THAT science was FAR from settled as well. STILL IS.. All because we suddenly (35 yrs) was able to measure something for the FIRST TIME from space and saw it INCREASING and thought we should "fix it"....
Does that look "fixed" to you? With no ZERO CFCs being released and a 2 yr transit time from storage in the troposphere into the "hole"????
What i find amusing is the hole was well on its way to developing long before we even began using CFC's and now its not responding to near zero interference as the sun output wains..The idea that the treaty negotiated and enacted by George HW Bush was a precursor to the global warming movement whatever that means is so totally whacked as to defy logic and a rational excuse.
You seem to have missed the entire point entirely. The theory about "being a model for the GW movement" is secondary to the SCIENCE and the data telling us that the "Ozone hole" fright was NEVER REALLY FIXED. The leadership of the world went on a wild goose chase with brand new satellite toys in the 70s and 80s and created a WORLD WIDE CRISIS where the CFC production went to ZERO -- but the ozone hole never DECREASED.
They just declared victory and moved on. All the lemmings and the lemming leaders. Because THAT science was FAR from settled as well. STILL IS.. All because we suddenly (35 yrs) was able to measure something for the FIRST TIME from space and saw it INCREASING and thought we should "fix it"....
Does that look "fixed" to you? With no ZERO CFCs being released and a 2 yr transit time from storage in the troposphere into the "hole"????
Do you ever feel like you got the stick placed in unpleasant places? I know the folks who made CFC's do..
Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo...
SSDD is literally denying that ozone absorbs UV light. That's literally on a level with round-earth denial. I'm just trying to decide if that's the dumbest thing he's ever typed. Given how many stupid things he's said over the years, it's hard to decide.
Oh, do show us your science backing up your claim that the ozone layer would reform in milliseconds if removed.
...i predict that the "holes" will increase in size as the solar minimum progresses and deepens without regard to the montreal or any other protocol.
As the holes have been shrinking as the solar minimum develops, such a prediction is already proven wrong. That was easy.
The Ozone "hole" was known back in the 1950's, when Dobson measured low values in the late 1950's,
Yes. But not nearly as low as they later got. Very dishonest of you to leave that out. Such dishonesty is standard behavior for cultists.
Denialism isn't the actual cult. Right-wing-crank authoritarianism is the actual cult. Ozone depletion denial, global warming denial and DDT harm denial are just some of the many kook conspiracy theories that the cultists are mandated to believe.
Bla bla bla, your inner ugliness spills out vividly.
What I said was correct and you know it since you didn't say it was wrong at all.
You act like a miserable human being.
You seem to have missed the entire point entirely. The theory about "being a model for the GW movement" is secondary to the SCIENCE and the data telling us that the "Ozone hole" fright was NEVER REALLY FIXED. The leadership of the world went on a wild goose chase with brand new satellite toys in the 70s and 80s
and created a WORLD WIDE CRISIS where the CFC production went to ZERO -- but the ozone hole never DECREASED.
Bla bla bla, your inner ugliness spills out vividly.
Something about heat and kitchens comes to mind. If you're going to be so free with insults, don't whine about getting them back.
Now, care to address the point you tried to run from? That point was your dishonesty-by-omission. The ozone hole was much less severe in the 1950's. That's not debatable. Yet you chose to leave that very pertinent fact out. Was your dishonesty-by-omission due to ignorance, or was it deliberate attempt at deception?
You act like a miserable human being.
Try to avoid the butthurt death spiral, or you'll end up like SSDD. You see his sad story here. He gets butthurt about having his shit science ripped apart, and everyone laughs at him, so he says even dumber things, which then get ripped apart again, and everyone laughs more, so he gets even more butthurt, and says even dumber things, and so on. Now he's only interesting as an example of cult pathology, and I would hope you want to avoid that fate.
iOzone is the result of O2 absorbing UV. O3 absorbs some UV but because it is so unstable,
Fascinating. So by your kook logic, there's no ozone layer at night, being it all decays instantly once UV stops creating it.
And yet ... we can measure it at night.
Ooh, sucks to be you. Another 'tard conspiracy theory down the drain. Notice how even your fellow deniers aren't jumping on your stupid train? That should give you an idea of how remarkably stupid it is.
So, satellites are part of the conspiracy. Can you explain exactly how that works? Are satellites faking data? Is the money to launch them going into Soros' pocket? Please be specific.
Amazing, isn't it?There's another dumb-off contender! According to the SSDD theory, the south pole in its winter receives less solar energy that the north pole in its winter. Why? Something about tilt. He apparently thinks earth's axial tilt varies on the short term.
I don't see you [Crick] challenging anything I said.
The "holes" vary in size from summer to winter over each pole with them being larger during each respective winter...and the "hole" is always larger over the south pole because it receives less solar energy than the north due to the tilt of the earth.
I never make claims i can't back up...unlike you.
Don't be absurd. CFC production didn't go to zero, other ozone munchers were still being produced, and the atmospheric residence time of those gases is way long. You're failing at the basics of the science again.
CFC breakdown products, of which there are no natural sources, found in high concentrations in the areas of ozone depletion.
That's a smoking gun. Your "It's natural!" theory fails to account for that, so your "it's natural" theory is wrong. It is that simple. You're trying to invent a reality which is contradicted by hard data.
I don't see you [Crick] challenging anything I said.
What point? You didn't respond to queries on this claim of yours even after your vainglorious boasting...
The "holes" vary in size from summer to winter over each pole with them being larger during each respective winter...and the "hole" is always larger over the south pole because it receives less solar energy than the north due to the tilt of the earth.
I never make claims i can't back up...unlike you.
The Montreal Protocol worked and that is what truly scares the bejeesus out of conservatives. The Protocol which has been very successful reduced ozone emissions which led to the recovery of the ozone layer. The reason it scares conservatives is because it is a precursor of a frame work that can work to fight climate change.
Given how anti-science and anti-fact the conservative movement has become, the Montreal Protocol would never, or at least be nearly impossible, to implement today to our detriment. At least then there were still rational conservatives like George HW Bush.
The ban on those nasty CFCs back in the 80s which closed "The Hole in the Ozone" (queue woman screaming) was a bunch of Liberal Hooey. But the success of the Ozone scam gave birth the Warmer movement and many of the same scientists that pushed the Ozone scare are the same ones pushing human caused climate change. Don't believe them, they have a reason why they use "science" to push scams just like they did with the Ozone Hole and CFCs.
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