The Origins and Causes of the U.S. Civil War

[Discombobulated]

The country literally fell apart under Lincoln's watch. He should have lied, made promises, offered compromises he knew he couldn't keep and even offered to kiss the ass of every southern governor if it would have kept the Union together for another month or year or two until people cooled down.. He failed to do so and compounded it by appointing a recovering alcoholic general to make war on American citizens raiding farms, burning barns and killing livestock and sometimes hanging citizens. Another general who may have been certifiably insane and thought he was "God's terrible swift sword" took it upon himself to punish Americans by setting fire to a city.

Sounds like a sure recipe for dismembering the nation. Maybe the President should have responded to treason by simply doing nothing.

 

[paperview]

You unreconstructed rebels -- don't make me break out my timeline again.

Some of the regular posters here are tired of seeing it.

 

[gipper]

Holy shit! Hard to imagine anyone being that ignorant.

And the Stormfront refugee also keeps repeating how "Slavery was a dying practice."

It is astounding Lost Causers (and those ignorant of the numbers) could even begin to say things like that.

I mean, let's posit this for a minute...were the slaveholders just giving up their slaves? No. Were slave auctions being held all over the south and slave prices holding steady and strong? Yes. Were they still breeding slaves, literally practicing eugenics by forced sex coupling with the biggest and sturdiest and also separating families to get their longest dollar for the "farm tools?" Yes.

Let's look at the combined value of all the slaves for those slaveowners: over 3 billion dollars.

Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.

If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.

----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure.

Nearly 4 million slaves out of a total population of nine million in the South.

More than one in four rebels who took up arms against the North came from slaveholding families (and one in two in a few other states). Slavery touched the lives of nearly all Southerns. It was literally the human lifeblood of their economy and they were willing to kill and die to the death to defend, protect and preserve it. And did.


And there are still some who will say, after all this...."it was dying out" -- expecting people to take them seriously.

Amazing how Lincoln cultists go on and on about slavery. Ignoring the fact that their beloved Dishonest Abe had no intention of freeing the slaves. His dishonest Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves ONLY in the Confederacy, in which he had no authority...keeping slavery legal in border states.

To his dying day, he wished to deport all blacks.

He was known to be an fervent racist, even for his time.

How does the cultist reconcile these facts?

Sounds like the Confederacy really had no reason at all to secede then.....did they. If Lincoln had no intention of freeing slaves then the Confederates were just plain stupid.....weren't they.

That post clearly reflects your lack of knowledge of the Civil War and yet you claim to know it all.

You can't fix stupid!

In other words: You can't respond because you don't know anything.

In other words, you have proven an inability to understand the reasons for the War of Northern Aggression.

The southern man fought because his land was invaded by an enemy bent on destruction.

Lincoln invaded not to outlaw slavery, but to keep the South from seceding and force them to submit to his rule...as tyrants have done throughout history.

You now know more about the War of Northern Aggression than you ever did before, but I am betting it won't take.

 

[James Everett]

A

The South seceded months before Lincoln was inaugurated.

The South was not coming back peacefully.

The South did not respect constitutional, electoral process.

The South fired on Old Glory.

Yep, Lincoln was at fault.

gain Jake ole boy please explain the cinstitutional process that the South did not follow.

 

[Discombobulated]

And the Stormfront refugee also keeps repeating how "Slavery was a dying practice."

It is astounding Lost Causers (and those ignorant of the numbers) could even begin to say things like that.

I mean, let's posit this for a minute...were the slaveholders just giving up their slaves? No. Were slave auctions being held all over the south and slave prices holding steady and strong? Yes. Were they still breeding slaves, literally practicing eugenics by forced sex coupling with the biggest and sturdiest and also separating families to get their longest dollar for the "farm tools?" Yes.

Let's look at the combined value of all the slaves for those slaveowners: over 3 billion dollars.

Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.

If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.

----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure.

Nearly 4 million slaves out of a total population of nine million in the South.

More than one in four rebels who took up arms against the North came from slaveholding families (and one in two in a few other states). Slavery touched the lives of nearly all Southerns. It was literally the human lifeblood of their economy and they were willing to kill and die to the death to defend, protect and preserve it. And did.


And there are still some who will say, after all this...."it was dying out" -- expecting people to take them seriously.

Amazing how Lincoln cultists go on and on about slavery. Ignoring the fact that their beloved Dishonest Abe had no intention of freeing the slaves. His dishonest Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves ONLY in the Confederacy, in which he had no authority...keeping slavery legal in border states.

To his dying day, he wished to deport all blacks.

He was known to be an fervent racist, even for his time.

How does the cultist reconcile these facts?

Sounds like the Confederacy really had no reason at all to secede then.....did they. If Lincoln had no intention of freeing slaves then the Confederates were just plain stupid.....weren't they.

That post clearly reflects your lack of knowledge of the Civil War and yet you claim to know it all.

You can't fix stupid!

In other words: You can't respond because you don't know anything.

In other words, you have proven an inability to understand the reasons for the War of Northern Aggression.

The southern man fought because his land was invaded by an enemy bent on destruction.

Lincoln invaded not to outlaw slavery, but to keep the South from seceding and force them to submit to his rule...as tyrants have done throughout history.

You now know more about the War of Northern Aggression than you ever did before, but I am betting it won't take.

So then you apparently have no idea what led to secession.

 

[paperview]

And the Stormfront refugee also keeps repeating how "Slavery was a dying practice."

It is astounding Lost Causers (and those ignorant of the numbers) could even begin to say things like that.

I mean, let's posit this for a minute...were the slaveholders just giving up their slaves? No. Were slave auctions being held all over the south and slave prices holding steady and strong? Yes. Were they still breeding slaves, literally practicing eugenics by forced sex coupling with the biggest and sturdiest and also separating families to get their longest dollar for the "farm tools?" Yes.

Let's look at the combined value of all the slaves for those slaveowners: over 3 billion dollars.

Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.

If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.

----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure.

Nearly 4 million slaves out of a total population of nine million in the South.

More than one in four rebels who took up arms against the North came from slaveholding families (and one in two in a few other states). Slavery touched the lives of nearly all Southerns. It was literally the human lifeblood of their economy and they were willing to kill and die to the death to defend, protect and preserve it. And did.


And there are still some who will say, after all this...."it was dying out" -- expecting people to take them seriously.

Amazing how Lincoln cultists go on and on about slavery. Ignoring the fact that their beloved Dishonest Abe had no intention of freeing the slaves. His dishonest Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves ONLY in the Confederacy, in which he had no authority...keeping slavery legal in border states.

To his dying day, he wished to deport all blacks.

He was known to be an fervent racist, even for his time.

How does the cultist reconcile these facts?

Sounds like the Confederacy really had no reason at all to secede then.....did they. If Lincoln had no intention of freeing slaves then the Confederates were just plain stupid.....weren't they.

That post clearly reflects your lack of knowledge of the Civil War and yet you claim to know it all.

You can't fix stupid!

In other words: You can't respond because you don't know anything.

In other words, you have proven an inability to understand the reasons for the War of Northern Aggression.

The southern man fought because his land was invaded by an enemy bent on destruction.

Lincoln invaded not to outlaw slavery, but to keep the South from seceding and force them to submit to his rule...as tyrants have done throughout history.

You now know more about the War of Northern Aggression than you ever did before, but I am betting it won't take.

<sorry folks, the poverty-stricken in history like the gippers and rigatini's of the world make me have to keep reposting this>

Nevermind some of the basics -- or the Missouri Compromise, the Nullification Crisis, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act, the 1852 SC Convention, Bleeding Kansas, the Dred Scott decision, the John Brown Affair, the threatened expansion of slavery in other territories... and every other ******* detail that led up to the Civil War.....

Forgetting that --

Hostiles had begun in January. Before Lincoln ever stepped into office.

Before many of the the southern states had even seceded.

A little Timeline for you, from the SC Convention forward:

December 20, 1860: South Carolina convention passes ordinance of secession.
December 24, 1860: Mississippi Senator Jefferson Davis introduces a "compromise" proposal which would effectively make slavery a national institution.
December 26, 1860: Major Anderson moves Federal garrison in Charleston, SC, from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter.
January 3, 1861: Georgia seizes Fort Pulaski. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 4, 1861: Alabama seizes U.S. arsenal at Mount Vernon. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 5, 1861: Alabama seizes Forts Morgan and Gaines. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 6, 1861: Florida seizes Apalachicola arsenal. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE ARSENAL BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 7, 1861: Florida seizes Fort Marion. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 8, 1861: Floridians try to seize Fort Barrancas but are chased off.
January 9, 1861: Mississippi secedes.

Star of the West fired on in Charleston Harbor <-- FIRING ON A SHIP - A CLEAR ACT OF WAR
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.
January 10, 1861: Florida secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. arsenal at Baton Rouge, as well as Forts Jackson and St. Philip.
January 11, 1861: Alabama secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. Marine Hospital.
January 14, 1861: Louisiana seizes Fort Pike. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 19, 1861: Georgia secedes.
January 26, 1861: Louisiana secedes.
January 28, 1861: Tennessee Resolutions in favor of Crittenden Compromise offered in Congress.
February 1, 1861: Texas secedes.
February 8, 1861: Provisional Constitution of the Confederacy adopted in Montgomery, AL.

Arkansas seizes U.S. Arsenal at Little Rock.
February 12, 1861: Arkansas seizes U.S. ordnance stores at Napoleon.
February 18, 1861: Jefferson Davis inaugurated as President of the Confederacy.
March 4, 1861: Abraham Lincoln inaugurated as 16th President of the United States.
March 21, 1861: "Cornerstone speech" delivered by Alexander Stephens. (This is where the Confederate V President lays it out clearly: Slavery is the Cornerstone of the Confederacy.)

April 12, 1861: Fort Sumter fired upon by Confederates.
THE WAR OFFICIALLY BEGINS.

 

[paperview]

Need more?

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."


They did this before Lincoln even set foot in the office. Before they had even all officially Seceded. An ACT OF WAR.

Seizing government property of forts and arsenals all across the South is also an Act of War.

 

[Discombobulated]

Amazing how Lincoln cultists go on and on about slavery. Ignoring the fact that their beloved Dishonest Abe had no intention of freeing the slaves. His dishonest Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves ONLY in the Confederacy, in which he had no authority...keeping slavery legal in border states.

To his dying day, he wished to deport all blacks.

He was known to be an fervent racist, even for his time.

How does the cultist reconcile these facts?

Sounds like the Confederacy really had no reason at all to secede then.....did they. If Lincoln had no intention of freeing slaves then the Confederates were just plain stupid.....weren't they.

That post clearly reflects your lack of knowledge of the Civil War and yet you claim to know it all.

You can't fix stupid!

In other words: You can't respond because you don't know anything.

In other words, you have proven an inability to understand the reasons for the War of Northern Aggression.

The southern man fought because his land was invaded by an enemy bent on destruction.

Lincoln invaded not to outlaw slavery, but to keep the South from seceding and force them to submit to his rule...as tyrants have done throughout history.

You now know more about the War of Northern Aggression than you ever did before, but I am betting it won't take.

<sorry folks, the poverty-stricken in history like the gippers and rigatini's of the world make me have to keep reposting this>

Nevermind some of the basics -- or the Missouri Compromise, the Nullification Crisis, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act, the 1852 SC Convention, Bleeding Kansas, the Dred Scott decision, the John Brown Affair, the threatened expansion of slavery in other territories... and every other ******* detail that led up to the Civil War.....

Forgetting that --

Hostiles had begun in January. Before Lincoln ever stepped into office.

Before many of the the southern states had even seceded.

A little Timeline for you, from the SC Convention forward:

December 20, 1860: South Carolina convention passes ordinance of secession.
December 24, 1860: Mississippi Senator Jefferson Davis introduces a "compromise" proposal which would effectively make slavery a national institution.
December 26, 1860: Major Anderson moves Federal garrison in Charleston, SC, from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter.
January 3, 1861: Georgia seizes Fort Pulaski. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 4, 1861: Alabama seizes U.S. arsenal at Mount Vernon. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 5, 1861: Alabama seizes Forts Morgan and Gaines. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 6, 1861: Florida seizes Apalachicola arsenal. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE ARSENAL BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 7, 1861: Florida seizes Fort Marion. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 8, 1861: Floridians try to seize Fort Barrancas but are chased off.
January 9, 1861: Mississippi secedes.

Star of the West fired on in Charleston Harbor <-- FIRING ON A SHIP - A CLEAR ACT OF WAR
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.
January 10, 1861: Florida secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. arsenal at Baton Rouge, as well as Forts Jackson and St. Philip.
January 11, 1861: Alabama secedes.

Louisiana seizes U.S. Marine Hospital.
January 14, 1861: Louisiana seizes Fort Pike. <---NOTE: THEY SEIZED THE FORT BEFORE THEY SECEDED.
January 19, 1861: Georgia secedes.
January 26, 1861: Louisiana secedes.
January 28, 1861: Tennessee Resolutions in favor of Crittenden Compromise offered in Congress.
February 1, 1861: Texas secedes.
February 8, 1861: Provisional Constitution of the Confederacy adopted in Montgomery, AL.

Arkansas seizes U.S. Arsenal at Little Rock.
February 12, 1861: Arkansas seizes U.S. ordnance stores at Napoleon.
February 18, 1861: Jefferson Davis inaugurated as President of the Confederacy.
March 4, 1861: Abraham Lincoln inaugurated as 16th President of the United States.
March 21, 1861: "Cornerstone speech" delivered by Alexander Stephens. (This is where the Confederate V President lays it out clearly: Slavery is the Cornerstone of the Confederacy.)

April 12, 1861: Fort Sumter fired upon by Confederates.
THE WAR OFFICIALLY BEGINS.

I get a good laugh every time they say War of Northern Aggression.

 

[James Everett]

....

Slavery was a dying practice. The industrial revolution was beginning....

Idiot doesn't even know the basics of history.

The Industrial Revolution in America as not "just beginning" in 1860, and with

To all you Yankee's Your deadline is 9pm tonight. You are running out of time!
WE STILL AWAIT YOUR POSTING OF THE
participating States of the CSA can gather and discuss what is going on with their respective States and what is and is not working to educate the general public on our Movement for self Government
Nov 8


Article within YOUR 1787/1789 U.S. CONstitution, or Amendment thereof that states that secession is unlawful or illegal.

And what are you going to do then?

Break loose from the insane asylum you're in and screech cross the underpass onto the highway
in your johnny reb grays holding the stars and bars in one hand, pounding out Dixie on your bugle in the other and yelping how


the time has come !1!! the south will rise again!!!!

You Yankees have pushed us kinfed-retts long enough!!!!!





<Here's a lil tip: wear a double set of Depends.>

More childishness from the lil boy Paperview stomping his foot because he's made a fool of himself, so why not continue? I gave you Yankees one week to cite the
Article within YOUR 1787/1789 U.S. CONstitution, or Amendment thereof that states that secession is unlawful or illegal. That is plenty of time for even the pseudo intellectual such as your lil group. You have been unable therefore at that point you have clearly lost this debate. Nothing other than the legality of secession is relevant. You can scream slavery all you like but that is of no consequence comming from those who support the government that was responsible for the extermination of the Native American Indian. You lose on both the moral and legal issue as the hypocrites that you are.

 

[James Everett]

Need more?

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."


They did this before Lincoln even set foot in the office. Before they had even all officially Seceded. An ACT OF WAR.

Seizing government property of forts and arsenals all across the South is also an Act of War.

Not one bit of this is relevant as South Carolina had already LEGALY seceded . As requested, cite the law that states that secession is an illegal act!

 

[Discombobulated]

Need more?

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."


They did this before Lincoln even set foot in the office. Before they had even all officially Seceded. An ACT OF WAR.

Seizing government property of forts and arsenals all across the South is also an Act of War.

Not one bit of this is relevant as South Carolina had already LEGALY seceded . As requested, cite the law that states that secession is an illegal act!

You have failed utterly to make your case.

 

[James Everett]

And

Need more?

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."


They did this before Lincoln even set foot in the office. Before they had even all officially Seceded. An ACT OF WAR.

Seizing government property of forts and arsenals all across the South is also an Act of War.

Not one bit of this is relevant as South Carolina had already LEGALY seceded . As requested, cite the law that states that secession is an illegal act!

You have failed utterly to make your case.

in what Soverign State does Charlston harbor exist? Hint it ain't the good ole U.s. And the fact that that ship was invading the Soverign State of South Carolina's waters was an act of war.

 

[Discombobulated]

And

Need more?

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."


They did this before Lincoln even set foot in the office. Before they had even all officially Seceded. An ACT OF WAR.

Seizing government property of forts and arsenals all across the South is also an Act of War.

Not one bit of this is relevant as South Carolina had already LEGALY seceded . As requested, cite the law that states that secession is an illegal act!

You have failed utterly to make your case.

in what Soverign State does Charlston harbor exist? Hint it ain't the good ole U.s. And the fact that that ship was invading the Soverign State of South Carolina's waters was an act of war.

Gibberish, absolute nonsense, you might just as well be speaking in tongues.

 

[paperview]

And

Need more?

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."


They did this before Lincoln even set foot in the office. Before they had even all officially Seceded. An ACT OF WAR.

Seizing government property of forts and arsenals all across the South is also an Act of War.

Not one bit of this is relevant as South Carolina had already LEGALY seceded . As requested, cite the law that states that secession is an illegal act!

You have failed utterly to make your case.

in what Soverign State does Charlston harbor exist? Hint it ain't the good ole U.s. And the fact that that ship was invading the Soverign State of South Carolina's waters was an act of war.

Gibberish, absolute nonsense, you might just as well be speaking in tongues.

Someone needs to tell the little Depends-wearing mental patient from the confederacy South Carolina ceded all rights to Fort Sumter in 1836. Free and clear.

Fact.

 

[James Everett]

Need more?

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."


They did this before Lincoln even set foot in the office. Before they had even all officially Seceded. An ACT OF WAR.

Seizing government property of forts and arsenals all across the South is also an Act of War.

Paperview, you asked.... "Need more?"
Yes, in fact we need you to post the answer to the only relevant issue. Please cite the law that states that secession is an illegal act. Everything else is irrelevant because even if all that you post is an act of war, then the Southern Confederate States were no longer part of the U.S. Hence the U.S. Cannot constitutionally force States to become a member State in the union. Hence we are indeed illegally occupied by the U.S. Which is called tyranny just as it was under the former Soviet Union. Please cite that law!!!!!!

 

[James Everett]

An

And

Need more?

The first shots were fired in January of 1861.

Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


Click to enlarge

The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

They took another ship and seized it: "The Marion."

Then converted her to a Man of War ship.
THE STEAMSHIP "MARION." ; SEIZED BY THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA TO BE CONVERTED INTO A MAN-OF-WAR.

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."


They did this before Lincoln even set foot in the office. Before they had even all officially Seceded. An ACT OF WAR.

Seizing government property of forts and arsenals all across the South is also an Act of War.

Not one bit of this is relevant as South Carolina had already LEGALY seceded . As requested, cite the law that states that secession is an illegal act!

You have failed utterly to make your case.

in what Soverign State does Charlston harbor exist? Hint it ain't the good ole U.s. And the fact that that ship was invading the Soverign State of South Carolina's waters was an act of war.

Gibberish, absolute nonsense, you might just as well be speaking in tongues.

Someone needs to tell the little Depends-wearing mental patient from the confederacy South Carolina ceded all rights to Fort Sumter in 1836. Free and clear.

Fact.

d someone needs to tell this ignorant Yankee that South Carolina did not give up the waters that surround the fort, hence any attempt to enter South Carolina waters to supply the fort constitutes an invasion of South Carolina sovereignty and is an act of war.

 

[paperview]

This may also be of interest to the 'lil rebel in eggzile:

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution :
"Congress shall have the Power …. To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings."

 

[James Everett]

This may also be of interest to the 'lil rebel in eggzile:

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution :
"Congress shall have the Power …. To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings."

And yet while the U.S. May own that fort, they do not own the adjacent land or waters in which to gain access to supply said forts and arsenals hence they are rendered useless, and to invade another Soverign states soil or waters in order to do so constitutes an act of war.

 

[paperview]

The South committed an Act of War with the firing on and seizing of Federal property.

And Buchanan was a pansy ass to not fulfill his duties when the South took claim to property that WAS NOT THEIRS.

But for those who might be interested in the historical tidbit (not for James, he's a Lost Cause troll with a serious mental illness...)

Here you go:
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South Carolina ceded all rights and claim to Sumter in 1836. Yes, 1836.
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Committee on Federal Relations
In the House of Representatives, December 31st, 1836

"The Committee on Federal relations, to which was referred the Governor's message, relating to the site of Fort Sumter, in the harbour of Charleston, and the report of the Committee on Federal Relations from the Senate on the same subject, beg leave to Report by Resolution:

"Resolved, That this state do cede to the United States, all the right, title and claim of South Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory, Provided, That all processes, civil and criminal issued under the authority of this State, or any officer thereof, shall and may be served and executed upon the same, and any person there being who may be implicated by law; and that the said land, site and structures enumerated, shall be forever exempt from liability to pay any tax to this state.

"Also resolved: That the State shall extinguish the claim, if any valid claim there be, of any individuals under the authority of this State, to the land hereby ceded.

"Also resolved, That the Attorney-General be instructed to investigate the claims of Wm. Laval and others to the site of Fort Sumter, and adjacent land contiguous thereto; and if he shall be of the opinion that these parties have a legal title to the said land, that Generals Hamilton and Hayne and James L. Pringle, Thomas Bennett and Ker. Boyce, Esquires, be appointed Commissioners on behalf of the State, to appraise the value thereof. If the Attorney-General should be of the opinion that the said title is not legal and valid, that he proceed by seire facius of other proper legal proceedings to have the same avoided; and that the Attorney-General and the said Commissioners report to the Legislature at its next session.

"Resolved, That this House to agree. Ordered that it be sent to the Senate for concurrence. By order of the House:

"T. W. Glover, C. H. R."
"In Senate, December 21st, 1836

"Resolved, that the Senate do concur. Ordered that it be returned to the House of Representatives, By order:

Jacob Warly, C. S.

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And even if she hadn't, a state cannot just claim Federal property as it's own. Kentucky can't just decide to claim Fort Knox if it decided it wanted to secede. Not the way it works.

But never matter no mind. South Carolina DID cede the rights to Fort Sumter and adjacent territory. It's right there in black and black and white.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Poor lil white supremacists who can't get over, still -- they lost the war.

 

[James Everett]

A

The South committed an Act of War with the firing on and seizing of Federal property.

And Buchanan was a pansy ass to not fulfill his duties when the South took claim to property that WAS NOT THEIRS.

But for those who might be interested in the historical tidbit (not for James, he's a Lost Cause troll with a serious mental illness...)

Here you go:
=================================================
South Carolina ceded all rights and claim to Sumter in 1836. Yes, 1836.
==================================================

Committee on Federal Relations
In the House of Representatives, December 31st, 1836

"The Committee on Federal relations, to which was referred the Governor's message, relating to the site of Fort Sumter, in the harbour of Charleston, and the report of the Committee on Federal Relations from the Senate on the same subject, beg leave to Report by Resolution:

"Resolved, That this state do cede to the United States, all the right, title and claim of South Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory, Provided, That all processes, civil and criminal issued under the authority of this State, or any officer thereof, shall and may be served and executed upon the same, and any person there being who may be implicated by law; and that the said land, site and structures enumerated, shall be forever exempt from liability to pay any tax to this state.

"Also resolved: That the State shall extinguish the claim, if any valid claim there be, of any individuals under the authority of this State, to the land hereby ceded.

"Also resolved, That the Attorney-General be instructed to investigate the claims of Wm. Laval and others to the site of Fort Sumter, and adjacent land contiguous thereto; and if he shall be of the opinion that these parties have a legal title to the said land, that Generals Hamilton and Hayne and James L. Pringle, Thomas Bennett and Ker. Boyce, Esquires, be appointed Commissioners on behalf of the State, to appraise the value thereof. If the Attorney-General should be of the opinion that the said title is not legal and valid, that he proceed by seire facius of other proper legal proceedings to have the same avoided; and that the Attorney-General and the said Commissioners report to the Legislature at its next session.

"Resolved, That this House to agree. Ordered that it be sent to the Senate for concurrence. By order of the House:

"T. W. Glover, C. H. R."
"In Senate, December 21st, 1836

"Resolved, that the Senate do concur. Ordered that it be returned to the House of Representatives, By order:

Jacob Warly, C. S.

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And even if she hadn't, a state cannot just claim Federal property as it's own. Kentucky can't just decide to claim Fort Knox if it decided it wanted to secede. Not the way it works.

But never matter no mind. South Carolina DID cede the rights to Fort Sumter and adjacent territory. It's right there in black and black and white.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Poor lil white supremacists who can't get over, still -- they lost the war.

gain, the U.s was not granted the right to invade South Carolina waters to supply the fort. That was an act of war when the U.s entered SC waters.