The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[montelatici]

Europeans that adopted Judaism as a religion do not have Middle Eastern ancestry, much less any ancestral ties to Palestine.

"The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications.......

European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree"


Genes Suggest European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree


Israel is a disgusting little Apartheid state set up by European colonial settlers facilitated by force of British arms. Stealing land from native inhabitants through invasion and war with the help of the world's leading colonial power is nothing to be proud about.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Learniñg about Islamist colonialism.

 

[fanger]

Nelson mandela on Palestine

 

[Sixties Fan]

Nelson mandela on Palestine

This is related to the Balfour Declaration, how?

 

[fanger]

the title of the thread is "
The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
the Balfour Declaration thread is two doors down, next to the toilets

 

[Sixties Fan]

the title of the thread is "
The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
the Balfour Declaration thread is two doors down, next to the toilets

Where in that video, or at any other time, has Mandela declared that the Balfour Declaration should not have happened?
When did he say that Israel should not have happened?
When did he say that the Mandate for Palestine should never have been?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Christian group marks 120 years since Zionist Congress

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Sixties Fan]

At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
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...Those who falsify history routinely take the path of omission. They ignore crucial facts and important pieces of evidence while cherry-picking from the documentation to prove a case.
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Pappe is more brazen. He, too, often omits and ignores significant evidence, and he, too, alleges that a source tells us the opposite of what it in fact says, but he will also simply and straightforwardly falsify evidence.
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Pappe repeatedly asserts, in order to demonstrate an Arab readiness for conciliation, that the Palestinian leadership in 1920-1922, including Hajj Amin, was “ambiguous” about Zionism and “was willing to compromise.” This is nonsense. Indeed, Hajj Amin was tried and convicted in absentia by a British court for helping to incite the murderous riots of April 1920.

Some of Pappe’s “historical” assertions are, quite obviously, politically motivated, but they are mistakes nonetheless. He refers to “statements made by Jewish and Zionist leaders about the need to build the ‘Third Temple.’” Husaynis often leveled that charge against the Jews, in order to incite the Muslim masses. But which important Zionist leader in the 1920s advocated the construction of a Third Temple? None whom I can name. Later Pappe reinforces this lie by remarking that “Palestinian historiography, including recent work that draws on newly revealed materials, suggests that the mufti’s concern was not baseless, and that there really was a Jewish plan to seize the entire Haram [Temple Mount].” Pappe offers no evidence for this extraordinary assertion.
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Read the whole thing, which also shows that Pappe has no problem making up facts about his own history as well!

(full article online)

Benny Morris owns Ilan Pappe (link to full TNR article) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[montelatici]

I see that the propaganda mongers are still spouting that crap. Straight from a Zionist propaganda site. Congratulations.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I see that the propaganda mongers are still spouting that crap. Straight from a Zionist propaganda site. Congratulations.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you cannot show proof of the contrary of what is being said, so you go "PROPAGANDA".

What a lazy person.

No points

 

[montelatici]

I see that the propaganda mongers are still spouting that crap. Straight from a Zionist propaganda site. Congratulations.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you cannot show proof of the contrary of what is being said, so you go "PROPAGANDA".

What a lazy person.

No points

Did anyone need to show proof of the contrary when Goebbels spouted his propaganda?

 

[Sixties Fan]

I see that the propaganda mongers are still spouting that crap. Straight from a Zionist propaganda site. Congratulations.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you cannot show proof of the contrary of what is being said, so you go "PROPAGANDA".

What a lazy person.

No points

Did anyone need to show proof of the contrary when Goebbels spouted his propaganda?

Saying nothing again. What else is new?
No one around the Nazis dared to show the opposite of what Goebbles spouted against the Jews. They were of a like mind.
If they were not, they stayed quiet. They knew it would cost their lives

After Gobbles is gone, one can tell all the lies he told about the Jews.

Today, we do not need to wait in order to know all the lies told about Jews, ZIonism, the Manadate and Israel, and much less wait to speak about it.

 

[JoelT1]

“Creation” of Israel took place over 3000 years ago, according to the Arab haeological record. Jesus is King of Israel in the Bible.

UN and Britain are newcomers

This thread was created in order to attempt to fix the significant derailment of another thread without having to delete posts.

The topic of this thread is one that comes up with regularity in IP, and is also a frequent derailer of active threads so it will now have a thread of it's own which will be pinned as a "stickie".

I apologize ahead of time for the bumpy discontinuous beginnig of this, but I think it will smooth out as discussion goes on.

The topic is: The history involving the creation of Israel, the British Mandate, and the applicable actions of the UN in that history.

 

[fanger]

I see that the propaganda mongers are still spouting that crap. Straight from a Zionist propaganda site. Congratulations.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you cannot show proof of the contrary of what is being said, so you go "PROPAGANDA".

What a lazy person.

No points

Did anyone need to show proof of the contrary when Goebbels spouted his propaganda?

Saying nothing again. What else is new?
No one around the Nazis dared to show the opposite of what Goebbles spouted against the Jews. They were of a like mind.
If they were not, they stayed quiet. They knew it would cost their lives

After Gobbles is gone, one can tell all the lies he told about the Jews.

Today, we do not need to wait in order to know all the lies told about Jews, ZIonism, the Manadate and Israel, and much less wait to speak about it.

The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine is a book written by author Edwin Black, documenting the transfer agreement ("Haavara Agreement" in Hebrew) between Zionistorganizations and Nazi Germany to transfer a number of Jews and their assets to Palestine. Shortly after Samuel Untermeyer's return to the U.S. from Germany in 1933, articles appeared on the front page of newspapers in London and New York declaring that "Judea declares war on Germany" This resulted in an effective boycott of German goods in many countries, affecting German exports significantly. The agreement was partly inspired by this boycott which appeared to threaten the Reich.[1] Controversial as it may be seen in hindsight, it marked one of the few rescues of Jews and their assets in the years leading up to the Holocaust.
The Transfer Agreement - Wikipedia

Palestinian jews colluded with nazi's

 

[Sixties Fan]

I see that the propaganda mongers are still spouting that crap. Straight from a Zionist propaganda site. Congratulations.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you cannot show proof of the contrary of what is being said, so you go "PROPAGANDA".

What a lazy person.

No points

Did anyone need to show proof of the contrary when Goebbels spouted his propaganda?

Saying nothing again. What else is new?
No one around the Nazis dared to show the opposite of what Goebbles spouted against the Jews. They were of a like mind.
If they were not, they stayed quiet. They knew it would cost their lives

After Gobbles is gone, one can tell all the lies he told about the Jews.

Today, we do not need to wait in order to know all the lies told about Jews, ZIonism, the Manadate and Israel, and much less wait to speak about it.

The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine is a book written by author Edwin Black, documenting the transfer agreement ("Haavara Agreement" in Hebrew) between Zionistorganizations and Nazi Germany to transfer a number of Jews and their assets to Palestine. Shortly after Samuel Untermeyer's return to the U.S. from Germany in 1933, articles appeared on the front page of newspapers in London and New York declaring that "Judea declares war on Germany" This resulted in an effective boycott of German goods in many countries, affecting German exports significantly. The agreement was partly inspired by this boycott which appeared to threaten the Reich.[1] Controversial as it may be seen in hindsight, it marked one of the few rescues of Jews and their assets in the years leading up to the Holocaust.
The Transfer Agreement - Wikipedia

Palestinian jews colluded with nazi's

. What efforts were made to save the Jews fleeing from Germany before World War II began?
Answer: Various organizations attempted to facilitate the emigration of the Jews (and non-Jews persecuted as Jews) from Germany. Among the most active were the Jewish Agency for Palestine, the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, HICEM, the Central British Fund for German Jewry, the Reichsvertretung der Deutschen Juden (Reich Representation of German Jews), which represented German Jewry, and other non-Jewish groups such as the League of Nations High Commission for Refugees (Jewish and other) coming from Germany, and the American Friends Service Committee. Among the programs launched were the "Transfer Agreement" between the Jewish Agency and the German government whereby immigrants to Palestine were allowed to transfer their funds to that country in conjunction with the import of German goods to Palestine. Other efforts focused on retraining prospective emigrants in order to increase the number of those eligible for visas, since some countries barred the entry of members of certain professions. Other groups attempted to help in various phases of refugee work: selection of candidates for emigration, transportation of refugees, aid in immigrant absorption, etc. Some groups attempted to facilitate increased emigration by enlisting the aid of governments and international organizations in seeking refugee havens. The League of Nations established an agency to aid refugees but its success was extremely limited due to a lack of political power and adequate funding.

The United States and Great Britain convened a conference in 1938 at Evian, France, seeking a solution to the refugee problem. With the exception of the Dominican Republic, the nations assembled refused to change their stringent immigration regulations, which were instrumental in preventing large-scale immigration.

In 1939, the Intergovernmental Committee on Refugees, which had been established at the Evian Conference, initiated negotiations with leading German officials in an attempt to arrange for the relocation of a significant portion of German Jewry. However, these talks failed. Efforts were made for the illegal entry of Jewish immigrants to Palestine as early as July 1934, but were later halted until July 1938. Large-scale efforts were resumed under the Mosad le-Aliya Bet, Revisionist Zionists, and private parties. Attempts were also made, with some success, to facilitate the illegal entry of refugees to various countries in Latin America.

36 Questions About the Holocaust - Simon Wiesenthal Center Multimedia Learning Center

 

[rylah]

I see that the propaganda mongers are still spouting that crap. Straight from a Zionist propaganda site. Congratulations.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you cannot show proof of the contrary of what is being said, so you go "PROPAGANDA".

What a lazy person.

No points

Did anyone need to show proof of the contrary when Goebbels spouted his propaganda?

Saying nothing again. What else is new?
No one around the Nazis dared to show the opposite of what Goebbles spouted against the Jews. They were of a like mind.
If they were not, they stayed quiet. They knew it would cost their lives

After Gobbles is gone, one can tell all the lies he told about the Jews.

Today, we do not need to wait in order to know all the lies told about Jews, ZIonism, the Manadate and Israel, and much less wait to speak about it.

The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine is a book written by author Edwin Black, documenting the transfer agreement ("Haavara Agreement" in Hebrew) between Zionistorganizations and Nazi Germany to transfer a number of Jews and their assets to Palestine. Shortly after Samuel Untermeyer's return to the U.S. from Germany in 1933, articles appeared on the front page of newspapers in London and New York declaring that "Judea declares war on Germany" This resulted in an effective boycott of German goods in many countries, affecting German exports significantly. The agreement was partly inspired by this boycott which appeared to threaten the Reich.[1] Controversial as it may be seen in hindsight, it marked one of the few rescues of Jews and their assets in the years leading up to the Holocaust.
The Transfer Agreement - Wikipedia

Palestinian jews colluded with nazi's

And? What was the purpose...the part You didn't want to quote:

This book documents the agreement between Nazi Germany and an organization of German Zionists in 1933 to salvage some German Jewish assets and the voluntary emigration of German Jews to Palestine before the Third Reich implemented expulsion and then extermination. The Transfer Agreement rescued some 60,000 German Jews. A sweeping, worldwide economic boycott of Germany by Jews helped spur a deal between the Nazis and Zionists.[3]

The book also documents the controversy within the Zionist movement and Jewish diaspora over the agreement, which Black shows "tore apart the Jewish world in the pre-World War II era". In particular, it describes the conflict between, on one side, German Zionists and German-descended communal leaders in the US, who argued for the agreement, and, on the other side, the mainstream Eastern European-descended American Jewish Zionist leaders (such as the American Jewish Committee and Jewish War Veterans) who opposed the agreement and argued instead for a full boycott of Nazi Germany.


You're just parroting the usual BS with no relation to the thread.