The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[fanger]

I see that the propaganda mongers are still spouting that crap. Straight from a Zionist propaganda site. Congratulations.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you cannot show proof of the contrary of what is being said, so you go "PROPAGANDA".

What a lazy person.

No points

Did anyone need to show proof of the contrary when Goebbels spouted his propaganda?

Saying nothing again. What else is new?
No one around the Nazis dared to show the opposite of what Goebbles spouted against the Jews. They were of a like mind.
If they were not, they stayed quiet. They knew it would cost their lives

After Gobbles is gone, one can tell all the lies he told about the Jews.

Today, we do not need to wait in order to know all the lies told about Jews, ZIonism, the Manadate and Israel, and much less wait to speak about it.

The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine is a book written by author Edwin Black, documenting the transfer agreement ("Haavara Agreement" in Hebrew) between Zionistorganizations and Nazi Germany to transfer a number of Jews and their assets to Palestine. Shortly after Samuel Untermeyer's return to the U.S. from Germany in 1933, articles appeared on the front page of newspapers in London and New York declaring that "Judea declares war on Germany" This resulted in an effective boycott of German goods in many countries, affecting German exports significantly. The agreement was partly inspired by this boycott which appeared to threaten the Reich.[1] Controversial as it may be seen in hindsight, it marked one of the few rescues of Jews and their assets in the years leading up to the Holocaust.
The Transfer Agreement - Wikipedia

Palestinian jews colluded with nazi's

. What efforts were made to save the Jews fleeing from Germany before World War II began?
Answer: Various organizations attempted to facilitate the emigration of the Jews (and non-Jews persecuted as Jews) from Germany. Among the most active were the Jewish Agency for Palestine, the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, HICEM, the Central British Fund for German Jewry, the Reichsvertretung der Deutschen Juden (Reich Representation of German Jews), which represented German Jewry, and other non-Jewish groups such as the League of Nations High Commission for Refugees (Jewish and other) coming from Germany, and the American Friends Service Committee. Among the programs launched were the "Transfer Agreement" between the Jewish Agency and the German government whereby immigrants to Palestine were allowed to transfer their funds to that country in conjunction with the import of German goods to Palestine. Other efforts focused on retraining prospective emigrants in order to increase the number of those eligible for visas, since some countries barred the entry of members of certain professions. Other groups attempted to help in various phases of refugee work: selection of candidates for emigration, transportation of refugees, aid in immigrant absorption, etc. Some groups attempted to facilitate increased emigration by enlisting the aid of governments and international organizations in seeking refugee havens. The League of Nations established an agency to aid refugees but its success was extremely limited due to a lack of political power and adequate funding.

The United States and Great Britain convened a conference in 1938 at Evian, France, seeking a solution to the refugee problem. With the exception of the Dominican Republic, the nations assembled refused to change their stringent immigration regulations, which were instrumental in preventing large-scale immigration.

In 1939, the Intergovernmental Committee on Refugees, which had been established at the Evian Conference, initiated negotiations with leading German officials in an attempt to arrange for the relocation of a significant portion of German Jewry. However, these talks failed. Efforts were made for the illegal entry of Jewish immigrants to Palestine as early as July 1934, but were later halted until July 1938. Large-scale efforts were resumed under the Mosad le-Aliya Bet, Revisionist Zionists, and private parties. Attempts were also made, with some success, to facilitate the illegal entry of refugees to various countries in Latin America.

36 Questions About the Holocaust - Simon Wiesenthal Center Multimedia Learning Center

"Jewish immigrants to Palestine" how could jews emigrate to a country that you claim never existed?

 

[fanger]

And? What was the purpose...the part You didn't want to quote:

This book documents the agreement between Nazi Germany and an organization of German Zionists in 1933 to salvage some German Jewish assets and the voluntary emigration of German Jews to Palestine before the Third Reich implemented expulsion and then extermination. The Transfer Agreement rescued some 60,000 German Jews. A sweeping, worldwide economic boycott of Germany by Jews helped spur a deal between the Nazis and Zionists.[3]

The book also documents the controversy within the Zionist movement and Jewish diaspora over the agreement, which Black shows "tore apart the Jewish world in the pre-World War II era". In particular, it describes the conflict between, on one side, German Zionists and German-descended communal leaders in the US, who argued for the agreement, and, on the other side, the mainstream Eastern European-descended American Jewish Zionist leaders (such as the American Jewish Committee and Jewish War Veterans) who opposed the agreement and argued instead for a full boycott of Nazi Germany.


You're just parroting the usual BS with no relation to the thread.

Oh so BDS is nothing new?

 

[rylah]

And? What was the purpose...the part You didn't want to quote:

This book documents the agreement between Nazi Germany and an organization of German Zionists in 1933 to salvage some German Jewish assets and the voluntary emigration of German Jews to Palestine before the Third Reich implemented expulsion and then extermination. The Transfer Agreement rescued some 60,000 German Jews. A sweeping, worldwide economic boycott of Germany by Jews helped spur a deal between the Nazis and Zionists.[3]

The book also documents the controversy within the Zionist movement and Jewish diaspora over the agreement, which Black shows "tore apart the Jewish world in the pre-World War II era". In particular, it describes the conflict between, on one side, German Zionists and German-descended communal leaders in the US, who argued for the agreement, and, on the other side, the mainstream Eastern European-descended American Jewish Zionist leaders (such as the American Jewish Committee and Jewish War Veterans) who opposed the agreement and argued instead for a full boycott of Nazi Germany.


You're just parroting the usual BS with no relation to the thread.

Oh so BDS is nothing new?

What's new about boycotting and discriminating against Jews on a global scale?
BDS boycotts Jewish buisnesses, not Israeli. Just like they did in Nazi Germany.

So another wasted bandwith on an unrelated subject? You're on a ride today...

 

[Sixties Fan]

And? What was the purpose...the part You didn't want to quote:

This book documents the agreement between Nazi Germany and an organization of German Zionists in 1933 to salvage some German Jewish assets and the voluntary emigration of German Jews to Palestine before the Third Reich implemented expulsion and then extermination. The Transfer Agreement rescued some 60,000 German Jews. A sweeping, worldwide economic boycott of Germany by Jews helped spur a deal between the Nazis and Zionists.[3]

The book also documents the controversy within the Zionist movement and Jewish diaspora over the agreement, which Black shows "tore apart the Jewish world in the pre-World War II era". In particular, it describes the conflict between, on one side, German Zionists and German-descended communal leaders in the US, who argued for the agreement, and, on the other side, the mainstream Eastern European-descended American Jewish Zionist leaders (such as the American Jewish Committee and Jewish War Veterans) who opposed the agreement and argued instead for a full boycott of Nazi Germany.


You're just parroting the usual BS with no relation to the thread.

Oh so BDS is nothing new?

What's new about boycotting and discriminating against Jews on a global scale?
BDS boycotts Jewish buisnesses, not Israeli. Just like they did in Nazi Germany.

So another wasted bandwith on an unrelated subject? You're on a ride today...

Just as the Arabs did during the Mandate for Palestine against Jewish Businesses in the Mandate.

 

[fanger]

And? What was the purpose...the part You didn't want to quote:

This book documents the agreement between Nazi Germany and an organization of German Zionists in 1933 to salvage some German Jewish assets and the voluntary emigration of German Jews to Palestine before the Third Reich implemented expulsion and then extermination. The Transfer Agreement rescued some 60,000 German Jews. A sweeping, worldwide economic boycott of Germany by Jews helped spur a deal between the Nazis and Zionists.[3]

The book also documents the controversy within the Zionist movement and Jewish diaspora over the agreement, which Black shows "tore apart the Jewish world in the pre-World War II era". In particular, it describes the conflict between, on one side, German Zionists and German-descended communal leaders in the US, who argued for the agreement, and, on the other side, the mainstream Eastern European-descended American Jewish Zionist leaders (such as the American Jewish Committee and Jewish War Veterans) who opposed the agreement and argued instead for a full boycott of Nazi Germany.


You're just parroting the usual BS with no relation to the thread.

Oh so BDS is nothing new?

What's new about boycotting and discriminating against Jews on a global scale?
BDS boycotts Jewish buisnesses, not Israeli. Just like they did in Nazi Germany.

So another wasted bandwith on an unrelated subject? You're on a ride today...

"BDS boycotts Jewish "buisnesses" (sic), not Israeli."
The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.


BDS Movement

 

[rylah]

And? What was the purpose...the part You didn't want to quote:

This book documents the agreement between Nazi Germany and an organization of German Zionists in 1933 to salvage some German Jewish assets and the voluntary emigration of German Jews to Palestine before the Third Reich implemented expulsion and then extermination. The Transfer Agreement rescued some 60,000 German Jews. A sweeping, worldwide economic boycott of Germany by Jews helped spur a deal between the Nazis and Zionists.[3]

The book also documents the controversy within the Zionist movement and Jewish diaspora over the agreement, which Black shows "tore apart the Jewish world in the pre-World War II era". In particular, it describes the conflict between, on one side, German Zionists and German-descended communal leaders in the US, who argued for the agreement, and, on the other side, the mainstream Eastern European-descended American Jewish Zionist leaders (such as the American Jewish Committee and Jewish War Veterans) who opposed the agreement and argued instead for a full boycott of Nazi Germany.


You're just parroting the usual BS with no relation to the thread.

Oh so BDS is nothing new?

What's new about boycotting and discriminating against Jews on a global scale?
BDS boycotts Jewish buisnesses, not Israeli. Just like they did in Nazi Germany.

So another wasted bandwith on an unrelated subject? You're on a ride today...

"BDS boycotts Jewish "buisnesses" (sic), not Israeli."
The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.


BDS Movement

That's what they say, but not what they DO, which is simply targeting the Jewish people around the world, even those who are uninvolved. Why? Because Joooooos...



And that's exactly why they get BANNED.

 

[fanger]

Joe cohen could have found some genuine BDS supporters, but non English speakers were cheaper,and he jewed it
Pro-Israel ‘lone warrior’ stares down weekly anti-Israel protests in London

 

[Sixties Fan]

The 80th Anniversary of the Two-State Solution

 

[P F Tinmore]

The 80th Anniversary of the Two-State Solution

And 80 years later they still cannot get their stupid plan to work.

What a bunch of losers.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why we must see Israeli policies as a form of settler colonialism

The so-called ‘Israeli-Palestinian conflict’ is not an ancient, tribal conflict, or millennia-old grudge match. Nor, as some propose, is it a tragic clash of competing nationalisms, or a cycle fuelled by religious extremism. The Zionist political project in Palestine has been, and is, a form of settler colonialism. Understanding it as such is important for three reasons.

First, it provides historical context, and at the heart of it all, is the Palestinians’ Nakba, or ‘Catastrophe’. By which, I do not mean a single, isolated historical event, or even one particular year. The Nakba began long before the formal establishment of the State of Israel on May 15, 1948 – and it has continued ever since.

The creation of a Jewish state in Palestine flew in the face of the principle of self-determination; when the first Zionist Congress was held in 1897, the population of Palestine was approximately 96 percent Arab and 4 percent Jewish. Even by 1947, Palestinian Arabs constituted a clear majority – two-thirds – of the population.

The only one way of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine was to remove its non-Jewish inhabitants. As the Jewish National Fund chair put it in 1930: “If there are other inhabitants there, they must be transferred to some other place. We must take over the land. We have a greater and nobler ideal than preserving several hundred thousands of Arab fellahin.”

Why we must see Israeli policies as a form of settler colonialism

 

[Sixties Fan]

Before the eyes of the international media, British troops violently forced the ship’s passengers — most of them Holocaust survivors — onto ships back to Europe. The resulting reports helped turn public opinion in favor of the Zionist movement and against the pro-Arab British policy of limiting Jewish immigration to Palestine.

(full article and photos online)

Incredible photos of Holocaust survivors from the SS Exodus up for auction

 

[P F Tinmore]

"State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel"

 

[Sixties Fan]

"State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel"

You are absolutely right.

All the terrorism aimed at Jews by Al Husseini and all the Arabs he managed to fool into attacking them, led to the Jews to become even stronger about surviving and recreating their Modern Nation on their ancient Homeland of Israel.

Yes, absolutely. The terrorism by the Arabs directed at the Jews, and the total lack of honor shown by the British for the Jews and the role the British were supposed to have in the Mandate for Palestine, led to a stronger Jewish community and a stronger Israel today.

Let the Arabs destroy themselves by thinking that terrorism is really going to get them what they want, especially when they want always belonged to a the very indigenous people they have been attacking.

Am Israel Chai !

 

[JoelT1]

"State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel"

You are absolutely right.

All the terrorism aimed at Jews by Al Husseini and all the Arabs he managed to fool into attacking them, led to the Jews to become even stronger about surviving and recreating their Modern Nation on their ancient Homeland of Israel.

Yes, absolutely. The terrorism by the Arabs directed at the Jews, and the total lack of honor shown by the British for the Jews and the role the British were supposed to have in the Mandate for Palestine, led to a stronger Jewish community and a stronger Israel today.

Let the Arabs destroy themselves by thinking that terrorism is really going to get them what they want, especially when they want always belonged to a the very indigenous people they have been attacking.

Am Israel Chai !

John F Kennedy: The Miracle of Israel: Jews transform wasteland into an oasis http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=74217

 

[JoelT1]

"State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel"

Palestine Center? Haha! Palestine originated as a Roman name imposed on Jews and ancient Israel, about 2000 years ago. Palestine is bogus

 

[montelatici]

Palaestina is a Latinized form of the Greek Παλαιστίνη (transliterated from Greek as Palaistíni) which in turn Herodotus got from from the Egyptian "Peleset" (transliterated from Egyptian hierogllyphics as P-r-s-t). The term is found in Egyptian writings centuries older than the establishment of Judea.

 

[JoelT1]

Palaestina is a Latinized form of the Greek Παλαιστίνη (transliterated from Greek as Palaistíni) which in turn Herodotus got from from the Egyptian "Peleset" (transliterated from Egyptian hierogllyphics as P-r-s-t). The term is found in Egyptian writings centuries older than the establishment of Judea.

Peleset, Peleshet, Palaistine, Palaestina etc all referred to a people not a land, the Philistines, non-indigenous, non-Semitic invaders from the Aegean who became extinct about 2500 years ago

First time palestine referred to a land was when the Romans imposed the name palaestina on ancient Israel in retribution for the Jewish Revolt; Philistines were ancient enemies of the Israelites

 

[Sixties Fan]

100 Years Ago, a Jewish Heroine Became an Early Martyr for Human Rights

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Jews Will Have to Wait

 

[Sixties Fan]

[Why do some British people themselves now call to boycott Israel and invalidate the Balfour Declaration? Have they no honor, no shame? No sense of history and what the right thing to do is? ]

That said the original League of Nations British Mandate for Palestine included what is now Israel, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza for Jewish settlement. Then in 1922 Jordan was hived off as an Arab-Palestinian state with the intent that Jewish settlement would be restricted to what is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. A future Israel, therefore, lost some three-quarters of its potential land mass in 1922.

Nevertheless, this significantly reduced land mass set aside for future Jewish settlement became part of international law via the League of Nations. Macintyre chooses to ignore this.

Macintyre further ignores ALL the various attempts to reduce this already reduced land mass for Jewish settlement even further, for example via the Peel Commission which in 1937 offered the remaing local Arab population 80% of this reduced land mass.

The Jewish leadership accepted its 20% but the Arab leaders rejected their 80%!

(full article online)

Guardian’s Donald Macintyre calls for boycott in light of Balfour Declaration centenary.