The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Hollie]

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.

Indeed you’re befuddled. When “Allah” appears 92 separate times in the Hamas charter, its apparent, indeed, you need a new script.

Indeed, we have this:

Instead of heeding the call of the US administration, the PA made a positive decision to waive the US aid and continue its ”Pay for Slay“ policy, with Abbas declaring that the PA prioritizes rewarding terrorist prisoners rather than taking care of the rest of the Palestinian population:



“By Allah, even if we have only a penny left it will only be spent on the families of the Martyrs and the prisoners, and only afterwards will it be spent on the rest of the people.”
[Official PA TV, July 24, 2018]


Indeed, when your hero Abbas appeals to your Allah god, it suggest that this is indeed, a religious conflict.

Indeed.

 

[Rehmani]

Second, I am not ignorant ....

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

 

[Rehmani]

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.

This is Holy Land trap in politics. Means holly not political.

 

[Rehmani]

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.

Indeed you’re befuddled. When “Allah” appears 92 separate times in the Hamas charter, its apparent, indeed, you need a new script.

Indeed, we have this:

Instead of heeding the call of the US administration, the PA made a positive decision to waive the US aid and continue its ”Pay for Slay“ policy, with Abbas declaring that the PA prioritizes rewarding terrorist prisoners rather than taking care of the rest of the Palestinian population:



“By Allah, even if we have only a penny left it will only be spent on the families of the Martyrs and the prisoners, and only afterwards will it be spent on the rest of the people.”
[Official PA TV, July 24, 2018]


Indeed, when your hero Abbas appeals to your Allah god, it suggest that this is indeed, a religious conflict.

Indeed.

hollie, This is holly land issue and has link in history, religion and politics.

 

[rylah]

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Do You know?
There's a reason why international law defines Jewish self-determination as "re-constitution"
in the historic homeland.

 

[Sixties Fan]

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Again you wish to discuss something in the wrong thread.
There is a thread to discuss who is indigenous, native to the land of Israel just below this one.

Read the posts in that thread. The answer is there.

 

[Sixties Fan]

My Right Word: When A Congressman Compared the Jordan River to the Mississippi

 

[Rehmani]

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Do You know?
There's a reason why international law defines Jewish self-determination as "re-constitution"
in the historic homeland.

You know the meaning of these words very well. Exactly I asked to sixties when law change in favor of Palestine, you will accept it.

 

[Rehmani]

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of c, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Again you wish to discuss something in the wrong thread.
There is a thread to discuss who is indigenous, native to the land of Israel just below this one.

Read the posts in that thread. The answer is there.

How silly, You are the one who used these words in your long post previously.
"Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land." "So, who are the indigenous people". "to their ancient homeland."
1).Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
2).Why don't you acknowledge UN, because you don't have numbers. Because you want both side ups/down.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.

Indeed you’re befuddled. When “Allah” appears 92 separate times in the Hamas charter, its apparent, indeed, you need a new script.

Indeed, we have this:

Instead of heeding the call of the US administration, the PA made a positive decision to waive the US aid and continue its ”Pay for Slay“ policy, with Abbas declaring that the PA prioritizes rewarding terrorist prisoners rather than taking care of the rest of the Palestinian population:



“By Allah, even if we have only a penny left it will only be spent on the families of the Martyrs and the prisoners, and only afterwards will it be spent on the rest of the people.”
[Official PA TV, July 24, 2018]


Indeed, when your hero Abbas appeals to your Allah god, it suggest that this is indeed, a religious conflict.

Indeed.

Israel = Lying, stealing, and killing. What is religious about that?

 

[Hollie]

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.

Indeed you’re befuddled. When “Allah” appears 92 separate times in the Hamas charter, its apparent, indeed, you need a new script.

Indeed, we have this:

Instead of heeding the call of the US administration, the PA made a positive decision to waive the US aid and continue its ”Pay for Slay“ policy, with Abbas declaring that the PA prioritizes rewarding terrorist prisoners rather than taking care of the rest of the Palestinian population:



“By Allah, even if we have only a penny left it will only be spent on the families of the Martyrs and the prisoners, and only afterwards will it be spent on the rest of the people.”
[Official PA TV, July 24, 2018]


Indeed, when your hero Abbas appeals to your Allah god, it suggest that this is indeed, a religious conflict.

Indeed.

Israel = Lying, stealing, and killing. What is religious about that?

More of your pointless blathering.

It’s actually funny that your denials of the religious elements that drive Islamic terrorism are delineated in explicit terms by your Islamic terrorist heroes.

 

[rylah]

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Do You know?
There's a reason why international law defines Jewish self-determination as "re-constitution"
in the historic homeland.

You know the meaning of these words very well. Exactly I asked to sixties when law change in favor of Palestine, you will accept it.

The reason why I brought up international law is to show You that the language of the law already refers to Israel as an indigenous nation.

King Faisal from Mecca, to whom Arabs tried to cede all the land - agreed to the above as well.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Do You know?
There's a reason why international law defines Jewish self-determination as "re-constitution"
in the historic homeland.

You know the meaning of these words very well. Exactly I asked to sixties when law change in favor of Palestine, you will accept it.

You are under the wrong idea that International Law is going to change in favor of any other people as the indigenous people in their ancient Homeland in the Land of Israel, also known as Ancient Canaan.

The only indigenous people to the Land of Israel, or Ancient Canaan are those tribes which lived there at the time, including the Hebrew people, who over 3000 years ago created a Nation out of ALL of the tribes living there with King David as its Monarch. That Nation's monarchy lasted over a thousand years, invaded or not until the Romans closed Jerusalem to all Jews with the destruction of the second Temple.

After the Temple destruction is when the Romans renamed the area after the invading Philistines (Greek invaders) who had defeated the Hebrews before David's time. David defeated them, freed the land of the invaders and the Nation took shape with all the tribes living there.

The Romans only chose to name the area after the Philistines in order to humiliate the Hebrew/Israelite/Judeans, and hope they would forget about their land and stop fighting for it.

They did not succeed.

Not ONE of the tribes which formed the Israelite/Judean Nation was made of Arab people, which is what today's named Palestinians are.

The ancestors of these Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians came at any time after the 7th Century Kurdish, and then Arab invasion to the area, out of the Arabian Peninsula.

Simply because the Arabs have been calling themselves Palestinians, because of the Mandate for Palestine, and only since 1964 of last century, it does not automatically make them the indigenous, native people of the Land of Israel, Ancient Canaan.
They continue to be indigenous and native of THEIR ancient homeland, the Arabian Peninsula.

The Arab leaders would like everyone to believe that Jews are Europeans, and that the Arabs are the indigenous people to the Land of Israel, but all of History is against this lie, which was only created in order to delegitimize Jews and Israel and help destroy Israel because the Arabs have totally failed in their violent wars against Israel since 1948, and all attempts to stop Israel from becoming a country before 1948.

International Law is on the side of the Jews and of Israel, the indigenous, native people of THEIR ancient homeland.

The Arabs, Hashemites, got 78% of the Jewish Homeland because, as I told you in another post, the British government is Christian and hates Jews. The British wanted the rest of the Mandate for Palestine for themselves, after having lost India, and did everything to keep the Jews from declaring Independence over their own homeland.


There were 4 Mandates. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine.
Palestine was the only one which received the wrong name to the area.

Palestine should have been called Israel, but the hatred for Jews made them bring back the name Palestine to call the area, and they gave away to the Arabs 78% of the Jewish homeland in 1922. By 1925 the Arab Hashemites made sure that there were no Jews living in TransJordan anymore by attacking them and expelling them from their ancient homeland.
To this day Jews are not allowed to buy any land on the ancient homeland of TranJordan, which is now Jordan.

It is the same in Gaza where all Jews were expelled from, first in 1920 and then again in 2005, this time by the Israeli government, hoping the Arabs would want peace. The Arab Muslims do not want peace with Jews. They want the Jews to return to being dependent on them, as second class citizens, as they had been since the 7th century Arab Muslim invasion.

The non indigenous Arabs want ALL the indigenous Jews to leave ALL of the indigenous Jewish ancient land, and for that land to become totally Arab.

I hope you got a better understanding of the history of the region and who is the indigenous people, and who is not.

 

[Shusha]

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of c, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Again you wish to discuss something in the wrong thread.
There is a thread to discuss who is indigenous, native to the land of Israel just below this one.

Read the posts in that thread. The answer is there.

How silly, You are the one who used these words in your long post previously.
"Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land." "So, who are the indigenous people". "to their ancient homeland."
1).Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
2).Why don't you acknowledge UN, because you don't have numbers. Because you want both side ups/down.

You really should go take a look at the other thread so you can see what the UN says about indigeneity.

 

[Rehmani]

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.

Indeed you’re befuddled. When “Allah” appears 92 separate times in the Hamas charter, its apparent, indeed, you need a new script.

Indeed, we have this:

Instead of heeding the call of the US administration, the PA made a positive decision to waive the US aid and continue its ”Pay for Slay“ policy, with Abbas declaring that the PA prioritizes rewarding terrorist prisoners rather than taking care of the rest of the Palestinian population:



“By Allah, even if we have only a penny left it will only be spent on the families of the Martyrs and the prisoners, and only afterwards will it be spent on the rest of the people.”
[Official PA TV, July 24, 2018]


Indeed, when your hero Abbas appeals to your Allah god, it suggest that this is indeed, a religious conflict.

Indeed.

Israel = Lying, stealing, and killing. What is religious about that?

I agreed, Jew are not native or ancient or indigenous neither they have numbers in UN.

 

[Rehmani]

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.

Indeed you’re befuddled. When “Allah” appears 92 separate times in the Hamas charter, its apparent, indeed, you need a new script.

Indeed, we have this:

Instead of heeding the call of the US administration, the PA made a positive decision to waive the US aid and continue its ”Pay for Slay“ policy, with Abbas declaring that the PA prioritizes rewarding terrorist prisoners rather than taking care of the rest of the Palestinian population:



“By Allah, even if we have only a penny left it will only be spent on the families of the Martyrs and the prisoners, and only afterwards will it be spent on the rest of the people.”
[Official PA TV, July 24, 2018]


Indeed, when your hero Abbas appeals to your Allah god, it suggest that this is indeed, a religious conflict.

Indeed.

Israel = Lying, stealing, and killing. What is religious about that?

More of your pointless blathering.

It’s actually funny that your denials of the religious elements that drive Islamic terrorism are delineated in explicit terms by your Islamic terrorist heroes.

But who driving them into that direction, Israel, by invasion their native land.

 

[Rehmani]

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Do You know?
There's a reason why international law defines Jewish self-determination as "re-constitution"
in the historic homeland.

You know the meaning of these words very well. Exactly I asked to sixties when law change in favor of Palestine, you will accept it.

The reason why I brought up international law is to show You that the language of the law already refers to Israel as an indigenous nation.

King Faisal from Mecca, to whom Arabs tried to cede all the land - agreed to the above as well.

Things will change tomorrow, will you agree?
Do you know the meaning of indigenous?
I tell you, meaning, have no links to other part of the world, Like Aborigines in Australia. And Abraham pbuh was came from Iraqi village and even no one know that where that village is lost?

 

[Rehmani]

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Do You know?
There's a reason why international law defines Jewish self-determination as "re-constitution"
in the historic homeland.

You know the meaning of these words very well. Exactly I asked to sixties when law change in favor of Palestine, you will accept it.

You are under the wrong idea that International Law is going to change in favor of any other people as the indigenous people in their ancient Homeland in the Land of Israel, also known as Ancient Canaan.

The only indigenous people to the Land of Israel, or Ancient Canaan are those tribes which lived there at the time, including the Hebrew people, who over 3000 years ago created a Nation out of ALL of the tribes living there with King David as its Monarch. That Nation's monarchy lasted over a thousand years, invaded or not until the Romans closed Jerusalem to all Jews with the destruction of the second Temple.

After the Temple destruction is when the Romans renamed the area after the invading Philistines (Greek invaders) who had defeated the Hebrews before David's time. David defeated them, freed the land of the invaders and the Nation took shape with all the tribes living there.

The Romans only chose to name the area after the Philistines in order to humiliate the Hebrew/Israelite/Judeans, and hope they would forget about their land and stop fighting for it.

They did not succeed.

Not ONE of the tribes which formed the Israelite/Judean Nation was made of Arab people, which is what today's named Palestinians are.

The ancestors of these Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians came at any time after the 7th Century Kurdish, and then Arab invasion to the area, out of the Arabian Peninsula.

Simply because the Arabs have been calling themselves Palestinians, because of the Mandate for Palestine, and only since 1964 of last century, it does not automatically make them the indigenous, native people of the Land of Israel, Ancient Canaan.
They continue to be indigenous and native of THEIR ancient homeland, the Arabian Peninsula.

The Arab leaders would like everyone to believe that Jews are Europeans, and that the Arabs are the indigenous people to the Land of Israel, but all of History is against this lie, which was only created in order to delegitimize Jews and Israel and help destroy Israel because the Arabs have totally failed in their violent wars against Israel since 1948, and all attempts to stop Israel from becoming a country before 1948.

International Law is on the side of the Jews and of Israel, the indigenous, native people of THEIR ancient homeland.

The Arabs, Hashemites, got 78% of the Jewish Homeland because, as I told you in another post, the British government is Christian and hates Jews. The British wanted the rest of the Mandate for Palestine for themselves, after having lost India, and did everything to keep the Jews from declaring Independence over their own homeland.


There were 4 Mandates. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine.
Palestine was the only one which received the wrong name to the area.

Palestine should have been called Israel, but the hatred for Jews made them bring back the name Palestine to call the area, and they gave away to the Arabs 78% of the Jewish homeland in 1922. By 1925 the Arab Hashemites made sure that there were no Jews living in TransJordan anymore by attacking them and expelling them from their ancient homeland.
To this day Jews are not allowed to buy any land on the ancient homeland of TranJordan, which is now Jordan.

It is the same in Gaza where all Jews were expelled from, first in 1920 and then again in 2005, this time by the Israeli government, hoping the Arabs would want peace. The Arab Muslims do not want peace with Jews. They want the Jews to return to being dependent on them, as second class citizens, as they had been since the 7th century Arab Muslim invasion.

The non indigenous Arabs want ALL the indigenous Jews to leave ALL of the indigenous Jewish ancient land, and for that land to become totally Arab.

I hope you got a better understanding of the history of the region and who is the indigenous people, and who is not.

Please don't run long falls propaganda. Just tell me are you native from palestine holly land.
1).Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
2).You don't want UN because don't have numbers.
3).Under Saladin+Ottoman holly land were in peace for 900 years. Israel destroyed that lasting peace.

 

[Rehmani]

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of c, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

Sixties, Lets start discussion,
Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
Pleased reply briefly,

Again you wish to discuss something in the wrong thread.
There is a thread to discuss who is indigenous, native to the land of Israel just below this one.

Read the posts in that thread. The answer is there.

How silly, You are the one who used these words in your long post previously.
"Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land." "So, who are the indigenous people". "to their ancient homeland."
1).Do you know the meaning of NATIVE, Indigenous, Ancient?
2).Why don't you acknowledge UN, because you don't have numbers. Because you want both side ups/down.

You really should go take a look at the other thread so you can see what the UN says about indigeneity.

Its is you and yours propagandist gang don't accepting the truth that jew are not indigenous of holly land but Arab are.

 

[rylah]

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.

Indeed you’re befuddled. When “Allah” appears 92 separate times in the Hamas charter, its apparent, indeed, you need a new script.

Indeed, we have this:

Instead of heeding the call of the US administration, the PA made a positive decision to waive the US aid and continue its ”Pay for Slay“ policy, with Abbas declaring that the PA prioritizes rewarding terrorist prisoners rather than taking care of the rest of the Palestinian population:



“By Allah, even if we have only a penny left it will only be spent on the families of the Martyrs and the prisoners, and only afterwards will it be spent on the rest of the people.”
[Official PA TV, July 24, 2018]


Indeed, when your hero Abbas appeals to your Allah god, it suggest that this is indeed, a religious conflict.

Indeed.

Israel = Lying, stealing, and killing. What is religious about that?

I agreed, Jew are not native or ancient or indigenous neither they have numbers in UN.

Jews are not ancient?
We already had a thriving civilization for a millenia when Arabs were still getting drunk in the desert and burying their daughters alive.