The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[P F Tinmore]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

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The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states.

The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

You are forgetting about the 1948 Palestinian declaration of independence.

 

[Hollie]

Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

You are forgetting about the 1948 Palestinian declaration of independence.

You are forgetting about the forgotten-about 1948 Palestinian declaration of independence. Wasn't that superseded by Arab-Moslem incompetence and ineptitude at being independent?

 

[Sixties Fan]

No, Israel was not created by the UN ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Rehmani]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

Subscribe to The JNS Daily Syndicate by email and never miss our top stories
The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

 

[rylah]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

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The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

Well, that's Your opinion.
Fact is everything started about a hundred years before 1948, around the times of Arab pogroms against the Jews throughout the Ottoman empire, including Jews of Levant. Lands in which their communities continuously existed since at least 1000 years before the invention of Islam.

 

[Rehmani]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

Subscribe to The JNS Daily Syndicate by email and never miss our top stories
The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

Well, that's Your opinion.
Fact is everything started about a hundred years before 1948, around the times of Arab pogroms against the Jews throughout the Ottoman empire, including Jews of Levant. Lands in which their communities continuously existed since at least 1000 years before the invention of Islam.

I agreed as long as jew existence is concern. But the way they exist is wrong for example they live undercover means they live either as mulsim christian hinuds buddhist and more but not as a jew. All I want either jew live normal life with out a cover or give up your idea that you are special race or Masaya is coming.

 

[Sixties Fan]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

Subscribe to The JNS Daily Syndicate by email and never miss our top stories
The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

Well, that's Your opinion.
Fact is everything started about a hundred years before 1948, around the times of Arab pogroms against the Jews throughout the Ottoman empire, including Jews of Levant. Lands in which their communities continuously existed since at least 1000 years before the invention of Islam.

I agreed as long as jew existence is concern. But the way they exist is wrong for example they live undercover means they live either as mulsim christian hinuds buddhist and more but not as a jew. All I want either jew live normal life with out a cover or give up your idea that you are special race or Masaya is coming.

1 ) If you can make the Christian or Muslim society stop attacking Jews and wanting Jews dead, those who are being forced to hide will stop being "undercover". But you cannot, and they have every right to live whichever way they want to stay alive as human beings and follow their beliefs.

And many are discovering that their ancestor were Jewish and had been FORCED to convert, and are returning to being Jewish.
Being FORCED to convert to Christianity or Islam is not a nice way for Christians and Muslims to behave, IS IT ? Why should anyone be forced to convert to another belief, which is what has been happening to Jews from Christianity and Islam for the past 1700 years?


2) Being Jewish is not a RACE, to begin with, that is something Adolf Hitler invented in order to turn Germany and anyone who was brought up with the same hatred for Jews as he was, to his ideas of expelling or killing all the Jews. Ideas he got from his Christian Catholic upbringing. Catholic Church had been teaching hatred for Jews for 1900 years before his birth.


3) Jews do NOT think of themselves as "special people", that is something your Christian/Muslim upbringing has put in your head.

4) The Jewish Messiah, is NONE of your business, as a Christian or Muslim. Live your life in a peaceful, loving way and leave all Jews alone.

The Jewish Messiah is NOT the Christian Messiah, and Jews have absolutely NOTHING to do with the way Christians were taught to look at the idea of a Messiah.

It is Christian frustration at the way they were taught about any Messiah which makes them want to harm and kill Jews every time Christians are not happy with what is happening to them.


So, when is Christianity going to grow up and live its Christian destiny and LEAVE ALL JEWS BE?


Of course you would have NO idea about it, since you totally believe
what you have been taught and come here and repeat all the nonsense which have been taught about Jews since Paul of Tarsus created Christianity for desperate people like himself.


Now, have a peaceful, loving life towards ALL humans, and leave the Jewish people OUT of your need for a scapegoat for anything bad which may happen in your life or in the whole world, for that matter.

 

[Sixties Fan]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

Subscribe to The JNS Daily Syndicate by email and never miss our top stories
The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

Well, that's Your opinion.
Fact is everything started about a hundred years before 1948, around the times of Arab pogroms against the Jews throughout the Ottoman empire, including Jews of Levant. Lands in which their communities continuously existed since at least 1000 years before the invention of Islam.

I agreed as long as jew existence is concern. But the way they exist is wrong for example they live undercover means they live either as mulsim christian hinuds buddhist and more but not as a jew. All I want either jew live normal life with out a cover or give up your idea that you are special race or Masaya is coming.

Be sincere with us.

Are you a Christian or a Muslim?

 

[Rehmani]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

Subscribe to The JNS Daily Syndicate by email and never miss our top stories
The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

Well, that's Your opinion.
Fact is everything started about a hundred years before 1948, around the times of Arab pogroms against the Jews throughout the Ottoman empire, including Jews of Levant. Lands in which their communities continuously existed since at least 1000 years before the invention of Islam.

I agreed as long as jew existence is concern. But the way they exist is wrong for example they live undercover means they live either as mulsim christian hinuds buddhist and more but not as a jew. All I want either jew live normal life with out a cover or give up your idea that you are special race or Masaya is coming.

Be sincere with us.

Are you a Christian or a Muslim?

Muslim and Muslim only.

 

[Rehmani]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

Subscribe to The JNS Daily Syndicate by email and never miss our top stories
The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

Well, that's Your opinion.
Fact is everything started about a hundred years before 1948, around the times of Arab pogroms against the Jews throughout the Ottoman empire, including Jews of Levant. Lands in which their communities continuously existed since at least 1000 years before the invention of Islam.

I agreed as long as jew existence is concern. But the way they exist is wrong for example they live undercover means they live either as mulsim christian hinuds buddhist and more but not as a jew. All I want either jew live normal life with out a cover or give up your idea that you are special race or Masaya is coming.

1 ) If you can make the Christian or Muslim society this "undercover Jews" live in stop wanting them dead, they will stop being "undercover". But you cannot, and they have every right to live whichever way they want to stay alive as human beings.

And many are discovering that their ancestor were Jewish and had been FORCED to convert, and returning to being Jewish.
Being FORCED to convert to Christianity or Islam is not a nice way for Christians and Muslims to behave, IS IT ?


2) Being Jewish is not a RACE, to begin with, that is something Adolf Hitler invented in order to turn Germany and anyone who became Nazi to his ideas of expelling or killing all the Jews. Ideas he got from his Christian Catholic upbringing.


3) Jews do NOT think of themselves as "special people", that is something your Christian/Muslim upbringing has put in your head.

4) The Jewish Messiah, is NONE of your business, as a Christian or Muslim. Live your life in a peaceful, loving way and leave all Jews alone.

The Jewish Messiah is NOT the Christian Messiah, and Jews have absolutely NOTHING to do with the way Christians were taught to look at the idea of a Messiah.

It is Christian frustration at the way they were taught about any Messiah which makes them want to harm and kill Jews every time Christians are not happy with what is happening to them.


So, when is Christianity going to grow up and live its Christian destiny and LEAVE ALL JEWS BE?


Of course you would have NO idea about it, since you totally believe
what you have been taught and come here and repeat all the nonsense which have been taught about Jews since Paul of Tarsus created Christianity for desperate people like himself.


Now, have a peaceful, loving life towards ALL humans, and leave the Jewish people OUT of your need for a scapegoat for anything bad which may happen in your life or in the whole world, for that matter.

Are you Jew?
Sound like you are not. Its not christian/muslim upbringing which is teach us. it is jew culture which is tell to jew that they are Gd chosen people. Which is wrong.

 

[Sixties Fan]

As part of the Palestinian Authority’s latest ploy to avoid direct negotiations with Israel, it is now absurdly claiming that United Nations Resolution 181, passed by the U.N. General Assembly in November 1947, gave Palestinian Arabs a “right” to a state and the “right” to U.N. membership.

In fact, U.N. Resolution 181 merely recommended partitioning the remaining 22 percent of the Palestine Mandate into Jewish and Arab states. (The British previously wrongfully carved off 78 percent of the mandate, which Britain held in trust for reestablishing the Jewish homeland, and gave it to Jordan.) A mere recommendation of partition, which the Arabs immediately rejected in favor of a war to annihilate Israel, is not a “right.”

Subscribe to The JNS Daily Syndicate by email and never miss our top stories
The immediate rejection by the Arabs of the 1947 partition plan recommendation rendered the partition recommendation null and void. Instead of agreeing to partition, six Arab nations promptly launched a war to destroy the Jewish state, in which the Arabs murdered 6,000 Jews—1 percent of Israel’s Jewish population. In that war, Jordan seized, and illegally occupied for 19 years, Judea/Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, containing the Jewish people’s holiest sites. Interestingly, the Palestinian Arabs made no claim for a state when Jordan controlled those areas.

Further, the United Nations has no right to carve off and grant a Palestinian Arab state in any of Israel’s land. The 1922 Palestine Mandate was a “sacred trust” held by Britain, under international law, for the sole purpose of reconstituting the Jewish homeland. The Palestine Mandate gave no national rights to the Arabs. (“Palestinians” used to mean Jews at that time.) U.N. Charter Article 80 (adopted in 1945) preserved intact—even after expiration of the mandate—all rights granted to the Jewish people under the British Mandate for Palestine. The U.N. Charter thus made it unlawful for the U.N. to alter the Jewish people’s right to the mandatory area via any resolution. The only lawful method of altering any of Israel’s rights to the Mandatory area (which includes all of Israel and Judea/Samaria), is via agreement by Israel and the party seeking a portion of Israel’s land.

The P.A. is now also falsely and misleadingly claiming Israel is violating the 1993–1995 Oslo Accords, and that Jerusalem, refugees and settlements must be final-status issues whose status must not be changed pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. First of all, in fact, the Oslo Accords (1995) only state the status of the West Bank and Gaza should not be changed pending the outcome of permanent status negotiations. This provision means that the Palestinian Arabs cannot declare a state in Gaza or the West Bank (Judea/Samaria) without negotiations. For years, the P.A. has refused to negotiate. Hence, the P.A.’s desire to unilaterally declare a Palestinian Arab state is unlawful under Oslo.

(full article online)

Palestinian Arabs never received ‘right’ to statehood or UN membership

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

Well, that's Your opinion.
Fact is everything started about a hundred years before 1948, around the times of Arab pogroms against the Jews throughout the Ottoman empire, including Jews of Levant. Lands in which their communities continuously existed since at least 1000 years before the invention of Islam.

I agreed as long as jew existence is concern. But the way they exist is wrong for example they live undercover means they live either as mulsim christian hinuds buddhist and more but not as a jew. All I want either jew live normal life with out a cover or give up your idea that you are special race or Masaya is coming.

1 ) If you can make the Christian or Muslim society this "undercover Jews" live in stop wanting them dead, they will stop being "undercover". But you cannot, and they have every right to live whichever way they want to stay alive as human beings.

And many are discovering that their ancestor were Jewish and had been FORCED to convert, and returning to being Jewish.
Being FORCED to convert to Christianity or Islam is not a nice way for Christians and Muslims to behave, IS IT ?


2) Being Jewish is not a RACE, to begin with, that is something Adolf Hitler invented in order to turn Germany and anyone who became Nazi to his ideas of expelling or killing all the Jews. Ideas he got from his Christian Catholic upbringing.


3) Jews do NOT think of themselves as "special people", that is something your Christian/Muslim upbringing has put in your head.

4) The Jewish Messiah, is NONE of your business, as a Christian or Muslim. Live your life in a peaceful, loving way and leave all Jews alone.

The Jewish Messiah is NOT the Christian Messiah, and Jews have absolutely NOTHING to do with the way Christians were taught to look at the idea of a Messiah.

It is Christian frustration at the way they were taught about any Messiah which makes them want to harm and kill Jews every time Christians are not happy with what is happening to them.


So, when is Christianity going to grow up and live its Christian destiny and LEAVE ALL JEWS BE?


Of course you would have NO idea about it, since you totally believe
what you have been taught and come here and repeat all the nonsense which have been taught about Jews since Paul of Tarsus created Christianity for desperate people like himself.


Now, have a peaceful, loving life towards ALL humans, and leave the Jewish people OUT of your need for a scapegoat for anything bad which may happen in your life or in the whole world, for that matter.

Are you Jew?
Sound like you are not. Its not christian/muslim upbringing which is teach us. it is jew culture which is tell to jew that they are Gd chosen people. Which is wrong.

Yes, I am Jewish and very knowledgeable and very proud of my religion and my people and their history.

Again......you show how ignorant about Jews and Judaism you are.

Jews are the ones who have "chosen" their G-D, and have never EVER thought of themselves as being "chosen". That is something Christianity has been teaching its followers to make them attack Jews for any reason.

Abraham CHOSE to leave paganism and start on his journey as the first Jew. The first one to choose to follow his one G-D.

So, you will not answer my question about being Christian or Muslims, but come and ask me if I am a Jewish person.

You were taught well, to dislike, hate, and not believe anything which anyone says about Jews or Judaism.

Your god, be it Jesus or Allah, is NOT Abraham's chosen G-D.

All three are totally different gods and Jews do not have to follow the Christian or Muslim one AT ALL.

All Jews ask is to be left alone with their beliefs, which they did for 1800 years before Christianity was invented. And NO ONE before Christianity EVER accused the Jewish people of believing that they were "the chosen people", as you have been taught.

This accusation is just another way to manipulate Christians and Muslims to believe that they must treat Jews in a different way. Only because the Jews refused to accept Jesus or Allah as their new gods.

Go and live your life peacefully and leave all who are not of your belief in peace, as well. Which is what Jews have always done, even long before Christianity came to be a religion.

Jews do not hunt and force other people from other religions to become Jewish. That is something that only Christianity and Islam have been doing since their beginning.


Am Israel Chai.


PS: you do not wish to tell me if you are a Christian or a Muslim, that is fine. Your words give away what your upbringing was, and what you do follow.

 

[Rehmani]

But it is their land and they are native and jew have no right to invade and destroy people of palestine life.

Well, that's Your opinion.
Fact is everything started about a hundred years before 1948, around the times of Arab pogroms against the Jews throughout the Ottoman empire, including Jews of Levant. Lands in which their communities continuously existed since at least 1000 years before the invention of Islam.

I agreed as long as jew existence is concern. But the way they exist is wrong for example they live undercover means they live either as mulsim christian hinuds buddhist and more but not as a jew. All I want either jew live normal life with out a cover or give up your idea that you are special race or Masaya is coming.

1 ) If you can make the Christian or Muslim society this "undercover Jews" live in stop wanting them dead, they will stop being "undercover". But you cannot, and they have every right to live whichever way they want to stay alive as human beings.

And many are discovering that their ancestor were Jewish and had been FORCED to convert, and returning to being Jewish.
Being FORCED to convert to Christianity or Islam is not a nice way for Christians and Muslims to behave, IS IT ?


2) Being Jewish is not a RACE, to begin with, that is something Adolf Hitler invented in order to turn Germany and anyone who became Nazi to his ideas of expelling or killing all the Jews. Ideas he got from his Christian Catholic upbringing.


3) Jews do NOT think of themselves as "special people", that is something your Christian/Muslim upbringing has put in your head.

4) The Jewish Messiah, is NONE of your business, as a Christian or Muslim. Live your life in a peaceful, loving way and leave all Jews alone.

The Jewish Messiah is NOT the Christian Messiah, and Jews have absolutely NOTHING to do with the way Christians were taught to look at the idea of a Messiah.

It is Christian frustration at the way they were taught about any Messiah which makes them want to harm and kill Jews every time Christians are not happy with what is happening to them.


So, when is Christianity going to grow up and live its Christian destiny and LEAVE ALL JEWS BE?


Of course you would have NO idea about it, since you totally believe
what you have been taught and come here and repeat all the nonsense which have been taught about Jews since Paul of Tarsus created Christianity for desperate people like himself.


Now, have a peaceful, loving life towards ALL humans, and leave the Jewish people OUT of your need for a scapegoat for anything bad which may happen in your life or in the whole world, for that matter.

Are you Jew?
Sound like you are not. Its not christian/muslim upbringing which is teach us. it is jew culture which is tell to jew that they are Gd chosen people. Which is wrong.

Yes, I am Jewish and very knowledgeable and very proud of my religion and my people and their history.

Again......you show how ignorant about Jews and Judaism you are.

Jews are the ones who have "chosen" their G-D, and have never EVER thought of themselves as being "chosen". That is something Christianity has been teaching its followers to make them attack Jews for any reason.

Abraham CHOSE to leave paganism and start on his journey as the first Jew. The first one to choose to follow his one G-D.

So, you will not answer my question about being Christian or Muslims, but come and ask me if I am a Jewish person.

You were taught well, to dislike, hate, and not believe anything which anyone says about Jews or Judaism.

Your god, be it Jesus or Allah, is NOT Abraham's chosen G-D.

All three are totally different gods and Jews do not have to follow the Christian or Muslim one AT ALL.

All Jews ask is to be left alone with their beliefs, which they did for 1800 years before Christianity was invented. And NO ONE before Christianity EVER accused the Jewish people of believing that they were "the chosen people", as you have been taught.

This accusation is just another way to manipulate Christians and Muslims to believe that they must treat Jews in a different way. Only because the Jews refused to accept Jesus or Allah as their new gods.

Go and live your life peacefully and leave all who are not of your belief in peace, as well. Which is what Jews have always done, even long before Christianity came to be a religion.

Jews do not hunt and force other people from other religions to become Jewish. That is something that only Christianity and Islam have been doing since their beginning.


Am Israel Chai.


PS: you do not wish to tell me if you are a Christian or a Muslim, that is fine. Your words give away what your upbringing was, and what you do follow.

First, Sixties, thanks to introduce yourself as jew and I hope it is real introduction.
Second, I am not ignorant, we learnt and effect from the propaganda around for example if as muslim we don't raise voice against the falls propaganda means falls become true. Similarly if jew don't come forward, it will happen about them too. In your case, your are first jew in 50 years I am discussing.
Third, As you said jew are not chosen then why don't you condemn this thread "Hibru are God chosen People" instead I am condemning it.
Fourth, Abraham PBUH is father figure for all faith and he PBUH can not be jew. And race start from father not start from the 5th generation grand son called Judah or Yahuda. That village in Iraq can be native village. And as father of all faith Abraham PBUH never used g-d.
G-d This term recently introduced by jew elders to keep separate themselves from Christian/Muslim.
In my opinion if jew called God so they close to Christian and if Jew called Alla in hibru means they are close to Muslim, as Muslim use this name with different spelling called Allah, God, Alla. Means it show some kind of unity.
Sixth, as I said above there no jew around to raise voice and condemn to this thread that jew are not God chosen people, but a lot of people are pretending jew.
Seven, it is not we christian/muslim it is jew who are leaving the space in between and causing confusion. I request to you that please go to Forum and ask question that any one know any jew personally you will hardly find any.
Seventh, "Your god, be it Jesus or Allah, is NOT Abraham's chosen G-D." As I said above Abraham PBUH was not jew and His PBUH God was Alla swt, absolutely not g-d. To me it look nice if jew called Alla (Allah, God, Alla).
Eight, That is exactly we are asking to jew leave us alone. Sixties, may be you don't know how intelligence work and I am telling you jew spy network is around. I will give you one hint or thought to think about it.
What do you think what would be jew population in 5000 years, from Mr, Mrs Abraham PBUH, to me jew population should be 113 million at least, not 13 million only. Please find population expert and tell me too.
Nine, As a christian and muslim we followed 13/14 prophets compare to jew only 6 prophets. It is jew history they don't follow if they don't like means they super seat to themselves over God and not only jew reject Jesus PBUH, Mohammed PBUH, they also reject 6 hebru speaking prophets too.
Tenth, Peace; as jew disturb the peace in holly land and now you are talking about leave us alone and live peacefully, don't you think it is unfair and unreal.
Eleventh, As jew don't force to others to join jew religion because jew don't want to mix with others because jew consider themselves special race and instead jew believe in divide and rule.

Long Live Palestine.

Note: Jew are not God chosen people, special race and masaya is coming only Jesus PBUH is coming.

 

[Shusha]

Second, I am not ignorant ....

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

 

[Rehmani]

Second, I am not ignorant ....

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Second, I am not ignorant ....

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

 

[Rehmani]

Second, I am not ignorant ....

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Second, I am not ignorant ....

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it."

The UN has NOTHING to do with giving anything to anyone.

Israel was recreated by the descendants of the Hebrew/Israelites, who have not been allowed to be sovereign on their own land for nearly 2000 years. They have every right to be given the permission to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland, like any other indigenous people on this planet, ON their ancient homeland.

Again, you do not have the actual facts of how Israel came to be.
Jews were being oppressed and attacked, robbed of their properties, killed or expelled by any non Jew who decided they could do anything them, be it in Europe, Africa or the Middle East simply because they were Jews and those Jews could not defend themselves.
So, at the end of the 19th century, some Jews decided that Europe would not change against the Jews, and would never accept them as equal human beings. So, it was time to return to their ancient homeland and join all the Jews who were already there and earn the right to recreate their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Nothing wrong with that, as it is not wrong for any other indigenous people to so so.

Jews gained the right to recreate their ancient Nation ON their ancient homeland after WWI. The Arabs, like the Turkish Ottoman, are the invaders of the land. You seem to think that the Arabs who lived there 100 years, or 1000 years ago are the indigenous people of that land, and not the Jewish People BOTH Kurds, Arabs and Turkish invaders met on that land, since the Jews were the indigenous people there, and it actually says so in their Islamic holy book, the Quran.

So, why do you believe that the Jews are the ones invading the Land of Israel, instead of simply returning to their ancient homeland, and not those who were actually the invaders since the 7th century CE ?

Millions of non Jews live in Israel, but Jews have been expelled from all the Arab countries in order to attempt to destroy Israel in 1950/1951. In other words, NOW, there are no Jews at all in most of the Arab/Muslim countries, Jordan which was part of the Mandate for Palestine as the Nation for the Jewish people ( it is part of the ancient homeland for the Jews) was given to foreign Arabs, the Hashemites, who only moved to TransJordan around 1915 when they were kicked out by the Saud Clan of Yemen who invaded and took over their land in what is now Saudi Arabia.

What right did the Hashemites have to receive 78% of the Mandate for Palestine, when they are not Jewish at all, and had not been included in the people who were to receive that Mandate?

You are not aware that there were Four Mandates after WWI. Not one of the other 3 went to its indigenous people, they went to the Arab invaders. Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are Arab countries, because they were invaded by the Arabs of Arabia, and England and France decided they would give ALL of that land only to the invading Arabs, and NONE to any of the indigenous people who had the right to recreate their nation, like the Kurds.

You do seem to be out of touch with facts, where the invading Arabs on the Land of Israel have been attempting to invade and destroy Israel and make the Jews their servants again, as they were since the Arab Muslim invasion in the 7th Century.

Arabs began to attack the Jews and kill and expelled them from their homes since 1920, when their leader Husseini could not accept that the hated Jews would be given sovereignty over any land conquered by any Muslim.

That is the mentality the Jews have encountered since the Balfour Declaration and their right to recreate their Nation on their ancient homeland.

Many Arab Christians and Muslims want to live in peace with the Jews and Israel, but the Arab League (created in 1945 to plan to destroy the new Jewish Nation) only see a Middle East without Israel, and without any Jews at all.

NO JEWS at all is their FINAL solution, a solution Husseini helped Hitler come to as he did not want the Jews to come home to Palestine and take any land conquered by the Muslims.
That is why 6 Million Jews were murdered in Europe, because ONE Muslim Arab did not want them to come home to their ancient homeland.


So, who are the indigenous people and who are the invaders of the Land of Israel?

Do the Jews have the right to recreate their Nation, as they did, slowly with a lot of work, with hard work and sweat and the blood the Muslims took from them after attacking them since 1920, or not?
Blood the Muslims continue to insist in taking as they attack as many civilians as they can and kill as many Jews as they can ONLY because they are Jews. Real Jews, the indigenous Jews of the Land.

Or are you going to insist, again, that the Jews invaded their own ancient homeland and took away land that did not belong to them, instead of earning it legally, with the consent of many Nations at the time?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Second, I am not ignorant ....

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Second, I am not ignorant ....

No, actually, you ARE ignorant. In the purest sense of the word. You lack knowledge of Judaism, of Jews, of Jewish history and of Jewish beliefs. Worse than that, you have adopted numerous ideas which are clearly un-true and, worse, blatantly paint the Jewish people, as a whole, as being deliberately evil.

I don't know, who you are? Jew ? let's assume that you are a jew. What ever you said about me, it is story of jews. People know me from different faith and I also know people of different faith but I don't know any jew or otherwise. And it happen to almost everyone.

This is a thread to discuss the creation of Israel, as I have said.

You wish to discuss how Abraham was not a Jew, etc, etc, that you learned from your sources, books, sites or friends, start a whole new thread in any of the communities on this site.

Jews, Christians and Muslims who are knowledgable about the Jewish history and the two religions which came out of it 1800 and 2400 years after Judaism began, will tell you how ignorant you are.

You wish to learn anything, start that thread and discuss all you believe there. Including why you believe Jews think of themselves as a "chosen People" and are according to you "A race".

The Moderators do not like it when people come into any threads and
take it away from the topic it is meant to discuss.

Start the thread about all of these and I will come and discuss it with you. And so will many who are Jews and non Jews.

It does NOT take being Jewish in order to know Jewish History, which in either case, you seem to INSIST, you know much more than Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and all others who actually know the History, culture and religion of the Jewish people, which is NOTHING like what you insist it is.


Start your thread, because we are not going to discuss anything more about what is not the topic of this thread with you.

I apologized, I mixed two thread in one and both are about jews.

Race always start from the father of the religion and Abraham pbuh is the father and prophet. While Judah was neither.

Religion sent to earth by God and God is the author, not jew.

Again I will say it is not others who start this type of discussion, it is jew who pose themselves like this. And they never com forward to reject it.

Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?

As you are insisting that I should discuss the actual thread. But what will you say if tomorrow some one else come and invade Israel and give mandate to Palestine and followed by UN authority will you accept it.

"Once I asked qestion to one Rabi that if some one want to become a jew, the Rabi replied almost imposible. What will you say?"

No, it is not impossible to become a Jew. Many do it. They have to really want to. Those who did not finalize becoming Jews are the ones who in the end did not really want to become Jews.
They have to want it 100%. It is no different to wanting to become a doctor or anything else where knowledge is important and one must be sincere with their hearts that it is what they want.

Also, Jews do not go around forcing others to convert to Judaism.
Never have.
Christianity and Islam have been doing so since their founding and have murdered many people who did not want to either become or stay Christian or Muslim.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

This response would belong in the religion community and it is the last time I will answer anything not having to do with the topic of this thread. I am doing so, only to give you the facts.

Indeed, there is a lot of religion discussed on this board. This is a political not a religious problem.