The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[P F Tinmore]

How much of a dunce can you be not to know that thousands of Jews who lived under European or Arab domination are still alive and still remember what it was like being under Christian or Muslim hatred and laws which proved that hatred on a daily basis?

Then why can't you see things from the Palestinians eyes? Why can't you see things from their point of view? Whenever I even bring up the subject of empathy for the Palestinians, you give me this "deer-in-the-headlights" look!

Was it the Jews fault the Germans treated them that way?

Another dunce answer.

Lack of empathy would mean that Israel does not allow any trucks and help into Gaza and does not allow the Palestinians any health care, jobs, or education.

Lack of empathy would have kept the Jews from ever building electricity structures in Gaza and Judea and Samaria after 1967.

Lack of empathy would mean that once the Arab leaders and their families needed medical care, they would also not find it in Israel.

You are a complete dunce that you dare to say that the god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the very same one.

Hurray for the Dunce !!!! Rah, rah, rah!!!!

Lack of empathy is forbidding the people in Gaza from providing those things for themselves.

 

[Sixties Fan]

How much of a dunce can you be not to know that thousands of Jews who lived under European or Arab domination are still alive and still remember what it was like being under Christian or Muslim hatred and laws which proved that hatred on a daily basis?

Then why can't you see things from the Palestinians eyes? Why can't you see things from their point of view? Whenever I even bring up the subject of empathy for the Palestinians, you give me this "deer-in-the-headlights" look!

Was it the Jews fault the Germans treated them that way?

Another dunce answer.

Lack of empathy would mean that Israel does not allow any trucks and help into Gaza and does not allow the Palestinians any health care, jobs, or education.

Lack of empathy would have kept the Jews from ever building electricity structures in Gaza and Judea and Samaria after 1967.

Lack of empathy would mean that once the Arab leaders and their families needed medical care, they would also not find it in Israel.

You are a complete dunce that you dare to say that the god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the very same one.

Hurray for the Dunce !!!! Rah, rah, rah!!!!

Lack of empathy is forbidding the people in Gaza from providing those things for themselves.

Hamas and the way they keep control of what is built and what is not, and putting all the money, power and everything else in their pockets, is what is keeping the people from having all the things they need.

Hamas has no empathy for the people living in Gaza.

But you do not have empathy for them unless the ones blamed for their problems is Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How much of a dunce can you be not to know that thousands of Jews who lived under European or Arab domination are still alive and still remember what it was like being under Christian or Muslim hatred and laws which proved that hatred on a daily basis?

Then why can't you see things from the Palestinians eyes? Why can't you see things from their point of view? Whenever I even bring up the subject of empathy for the Palestinians, you give me this "deer-in-the-headlights" look!

Was it the Jews fault the Germans treated them that way?

Another dunce answer.

Lack of empathy would mean that Israel does not allow any trucks and help into Gaza and does not allow the Palestinians any health care, jobs, or education.

Lack of empathy would have kept the Jews from ever building electricity structures in Gaza and Judea and Samaria after 1967.

Lack of empathy would mean that once the Arab leaders and their families needed medical care, they would also not find it in Israel.

You are a complete dunce that you dare to say that the god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the very same one.

Hurray for the Dunce !!!! Rah, rah, rah!!!!

Lack of empathy is forbidding the people in Gaza from providing those things for themselves.

Hamas and the way they keep control of what is built and what is not, and putting all the money, power and everything else in their pockets, is what is keeping the people from having all the things they need.

Hamas has no empathy for the people living in Gaza.

But you do not have empathy for them unless the ones blamed for their problems is Israel.

Your problem is that you were raised on Israeli bullshit.

One of many examples is that Israel would bulldoze Palestinian greenhouses then act like they were doing the Palestinians a favor by allowing them to work in Israeli greenhouses.

"Look how nice we are. We are providing them jobs."

 

[rylah]

How much of a dunce can you be not to know that thousands of Jews who lived under European or Arab domination are still alive and still remember what it was like being under Christian or Muslim hatred and laws which proved that hatred on a daily basis?

Then why can't you see things from the Palestinians eyes? Why can't you see things from their point of view? Whenever I even bring up the subject of empathy for the Palestinians, you give me this "deer-in-the-headlights" look!

Was it the Jews fault the Germans treated them that way?

Another dunce answer.

Lack of empathy would mean that Israel does not allow any trucks and help into Gaza and does not allow the Palestinians any health care, jobs, or education.

Lack of empathy would have kept the Jews from ever building electricity structures in Gaza and Judea and Samaria after 1967.

Lack of empathy would mean that once the Arab leaders and their families needed medical care, they would also not find it in Israel.

You are a complete dunce that you dare to say that the god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the very same one.

Hurray for the Dunce !!!! Rah, rah, rah!!!!

Lack of empathy is forbidding the people in Gaza from providing those things for themselves.

Hamas and the way they keep control of what is built and what is not, and putting all the money, power and everything else in their pockets, is what is keeping the people from having all the things they need.

Hamas has no empathy for the people living in Gaza.

But you do not have empathy for them unless the ones blamed for their problems is Israel.

Your problem is that you were raised on Israeli bullshit.

One of many examples is that Israel would bulldoze Palestinian greenhouses then act like they were doing the Palestinians a favor by allowing them to work in Israeli greenhouses.

"Look how nice we are. We are providing them jobs."

And all that pretty much sounds like the usual one sided Palywood bs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then why can't you see things from the Palestinians eyes? Why can't you see things from their point of view? Whenever I even bring up the subject of empathy for the Palestinians, you give me this "deer-in-the-headlights" look!

Was it the Jews fault the Germans treated them that way?

Another dunce answer.

Lack of empathy would mean that Israel does not allow any trucks and help into Gaza and does not allow the Palestinians any health care, jobs, or education.

Lack of empathy would have kept the Jews from ever building electricity structures in Gaza and Judea and Samaria after 1967.

Lack of empathy would mean that once the Arab leaders and their families needed medical care, they would also not find it in Israel.

You are a complete dunce that you dare to say that the god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the very same one.

Hurray for the Dunce !!!! Rah, rah, rah!!!!

Lack of empathy is forbidding the people in Gaza from providing those things for themselves.

Hamas and the way they keep control of what is built and what is not, and putting all the money, power and everything else in their pockets, is what is keeping the people from having all the things they need.

Hamas has no empathy for the people living in Gaza.

But you do not have empathy for them unless the ones blamed for their problems is Israel.

Your problem is that you were raised on Israeli bullshit.

One of many examples is that Israel would bulldoze Palestinian greenhouses then act like they were doing the Palestinians a favor by allowing them to work in Israeli greenhouses.

"Look how nice we are. We are providing them jobs."

And all that pretty much sounds like the usual one sided Palywood bs.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

 

[rylah]

Another dunce answer.

Lack of empathy would mean that Israel does not allow any trucks and help into Gaza and does not allow the Palestinians any health care, jobs, or education.

Lack of empathy would have kept the Jews from ever building electricity structures in Gaza and Judea and Samaria after 1967.

Lack of empathy would mean that once the Arab leaders and their families needed medical care, they would also not find it in Israel.

You are a complete dunce that you dare to say that the god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the very same one.

Hurray for the Dunce !!!! Rah, rah, rah!!!!

Lack of empathy is forbidding the people in Gaza from providing those things for themselves.

Hamas and the way they keep control of what is built and what is not, and putting all the money, power and everything else in their pockets, is what is keeping the people from having all the things they need.

Hamas has no empathy for the people living in Gaza.

But you do not have empathy for them unless the ones blamed for their problems is Israel.

Your problem is that you were raised on Israeli bullshit.

One of many examples is that Israel would bulldoze Palestinian greenhouses then act like they were doing the Palestinians a favor by allowing them to work in Israeli greenhouses.

"Look how nice we are. We are providing them jobs."

And all that pretty much sounds like the usual one sided Palywood bs.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Why?

Because since Israel liberation the land produces more crops than ever in the last millenia. Both by Jews and by Arabs. And the trade generated by Arab farmers is highest in history just from the exports to Israel alone.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lack of empathy is forbidding the people in Gaza from providing those things for themselves.

Hamas and the way they keep control of what is built and what is not, and putting all the money, power and everything else in their pockets, is what is keeping the people from having all the things they need.

Hamas has no empathy for the people living in Gaza.

But you do not have empathy for them unless the ones blamed for their problems is Israel.

Your problem is that you were raised on Israeli bullshit.

One of many examples is that Israel would bulldoze Palestinian greenhouses then act like they were doing the Palestinians a favor by allowing them to work in Israeli greenhouses.

"Look how nice we are. We are providing them jobs."

And all that pretty much sounds like the usual one sided Palywood bs.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Why?

Because since Israel liberation the land produces more crops than ever in the last millenia. Both by Jews and by Arabs. And the trade generated by Arab farmers is highest in history just from the exports to Israel alone.

How much were those exports last year?

 

[rylah]

Hamas and the way they keep control of what is built and what is not, and putting all the money, power and everything else in their pockets, is what is keeping the people from having all the things they need.

Hamas has no empathy for the people living in Gaza.

But you do not have empathy for them unless the ones blamed for their problems is Israel.

Your problem is that you were raised on Israeli bullshit.

One of many examples is that Israel would bulldoze Palestinian greenhouses then act like they were doing the Palestinians a favor by allowing them to work in Israeli greenhouses.

"Look how nice we are. We are providing them jobs."

And all that pretty much sounds like the usual one sided Palywood bs.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Why?

Because since Israel liberation the land produces more crops than ever in the last millenia. Both by Jews and by Arabs. And the trade generated by Arab farmers is highest in history just from the exports to Israel alone.

How much were those exports last year?

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Your problem is that you were raised on Israeli bullshit.

One of many examples is that Israel would bulldoze Palestinian greenhouses then act like they were doing the Palestinians a favor by allowing them to work in Israeli greenhouses.

"Look how nice we are. We are providing them jobs."

And all that pretty much sounds like the usual one sided Palywood bs.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Why?

Because since Israel liberation the land produces more crops than ever in the last millenia. Both by Jews and by Arabs. And the trade generated by Arab farmers is highest in history just from the exports to Israel alone.

How much were those exports last year?

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

Why so little?

 

[rylah]

And all that pretty much sounds like the usual one sided Palywood bs.

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Why?

Because since Israel liberation the land produces more crops than ever in the last millenia. Both by Jews and by Arabs. And the trade generated by Arab farmers is highest in history just from the exports to Israel alone.

How much were those exports last year?

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

Why so little?

Compared to what?

 

[Dan Stubbs]

The so called'67 borders were never borders.

This shit is solved with guns and jets, not panels and boards.

Not really. Duh bomb'em is old school. We live in a more civilized world now where we should abide by the rule of law.

And not try and force the rule of law retrospectively because we hate the Jews, like you do constantly. The rule of law says the arab muslims have no legal right to the west bank or Jerusalem, so why don't you shout for it to be acted on ?

This was their Home back many thousand of years ago so what is the beef. The UN formed it to be Jewish but now have changed their minds. Its lucky they have some Nukes seeing how the Mental Patients are working one some.

 

[rylah]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why do you post here when you know so little?

Why?

Because since Israel liberation the land produces more crops than ever in the last millenia. Both by Jews and by Arabs. And the trade generated by Arab farmers is highest in history just from the exports to Israel alone.

How much were those exports last year?

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

Why so little?

Compared to what?

This is what Sara Roy calls de-development. This is for the 2014 attack only.

Damage to agricultural land and the fishing sector shattered the local economy – the Ministry of Agriculture estimated a loss of US$550 million. The hostilities damaged 42,000 acres of farmland, as well as greenhouses, irrigation systems, livestock, fodder stocks and fishing boats, affecting the livelihoods of some 40,000 people.

Gaza Crisis Facts and Figures​

Of course there is also the restriction on trade.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Why?

Because since Israel liberation the land produces more crops than ever in the last millenia. Both by Jews and by Arabs. And the trade generated by Arab farmers is highest in history just from the exports to Israel alone.

How much were those exports last year?

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

Why so little?

Compared to what?

This is what Sara Roy calls de-development. This is for the 2014 attack only.

Damage to agricultural land and the fishing sector shattered the local economy – the Ministry of Agriculture estimated a loss of US$550 million. The hostilities damaged 42,000 acres of farmland, as well as greenhouses, irrigation systems, livestock, fodder stocks and fishing boats, affecting the livelihoods of some 40,000 people.

Gaza Crisis Facts and Figures​

Of course there is also the restriction on trade.

Tell Hamas and all the other Iran backed groups to stop wanting Israel for themselves and everyone's lives in Gaza will get much better.

 

[rylah]

Why?

Because since Israel liberation the land produces more crops than ever in the last millenia. Both by Jews and by Arabs. And the trade generated by Arab farmers is highest in history just from the exports to Israel alone.

How much were those exports last year?

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

Why so little?

Compared to what?

This is what Sara Roy calls de-development. This is for the 2014 attack only.

Damage to agricultural land and the fishing sector shattered the local economy – the Ministry of Agriculture estimated a loss of US$550 million. The hostilities damaged 42,000 acres of farmland, as well as greenhouses, irrigation systems, livestock, fodder stocks and fishing boats, affecting the livelihoods of some 40,000 people.

Gaza Crisis Facts and Figures​

Of course there is also the restriction on trade.

So?
Start stupid wars face consequence.
You act as if Israel owes something the the Gazans.

Why don't You ask the guy who now ran away to Qatar yet once again with his billions, for whom those US$550 million are just a PR investment to generate another billion on the account of his people suffering.

And all it takes is shoot rockets, kidnap Israelis and run away to the Gulf.

 

[Billo_Really]

Nice strawman -that's exactly Your position.

That was a metaphor, not a strawman.

You claim that invaders are the people of the place even when they themselves claim otherwise,

"...invaders are the people of the place..."

Do you ever think about what you are saying before you say it?

You claim that the conflict has nothing to do with Jews, when Arabs openly initiated the war openly calling to "Kill all the Jews, it's a religious duty".

I claimed Zionists started the war by migrating in to the area and treating the indigenous, non-Jewish residents like garbage.

You claim Zionists are responsible for all the ills of this conflict, when in reality Arab pogroms were the initial cause of Zionism.

In Palestine, the violence we know today, was started by Zionists when they migrated into the area with their racist, apartheid policies.

 

[P F Tinmore]

QUOTE="rylah, post: 20007826, member: 54800"]

How much were those exports last year?

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

Why so little?

Compared to what?

This is what Sara Roy calls de-development. This is for the 2014 attack only.

Damage to agricultural land and the fishing sector shattered the local economy – the Ministry of Agriculture estimated a loss of US$550 million. The hostilities damaged 42,000 acres of farmland, as well as greenhouses, irrigation systems, livestock, fodder stocks and fishing boats, affecting the livelihoods of some 40,000 people.

Gaza Crisis Facts and Figures​

Of course there is also the restriction on trade.

So?
Start stupid wars face consequence.
You act as if Israel owes something the the Gazans.

Why don't You ask the guy who now ran away to Qatar yet once again with his billions, for whom those US$550 million are just a PR investment to generate another billion on the account of his people suffering.

And all it takes is shoot rockets, kidnap Israelis and run away to the Gulf.[/QUOTE]
The Palestinians did not start any war. [

 

[rylah]

Nice strawman -that's exactly Your position.

That was a metaphor, not a strawman.

You claim that invaders are the people of the place even when they themselves claim otherwise,

"...invaders are the people of the place..."

Do you ever think about what you are saying before you say it?

You claim that the conflict has nothing to do with Jews, when Arabs openly initiated the war openly calling to "Kill all the Jews, it's a religious duty".

I claimed Zionists started the war by migrating in to the area and treating the indigenous, non-Jewish residents like garbage.

You claim Zionists are responsible for all the ills of this conflict, when in reality Arab pogroms were the initial cause of Zionism.

In Palestine, the violence we know today, was started by Zionists when they migrated into the area with their racist, apartheid policies.

Yes more of the baseless claims - facts show You wrong.
History doesn't start at 1880.

Facts show that there were much bigger waves of migration of Arabs
Facts show that the war started with Arab pogroms against Palestinian Jews.
Facts show that Arab violence was an initial cause of Zionism.

Fact is You everything You blame the Jews for is a drop in the bucket compared to what Arabs did themselves.

If you want to talk about racist policies tell us - during which rule did the land see the highest increase in both Arab and Jewish populations? Tell us in which middle eastern Arab country do Jews enjoy (anywhere close) the rights Arab enjoy in Israel?

 

[rylah]

QUOTE="rylah, post: 20007826, member: 54800"]

How much were those exports last year?

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

Why so little?

Compared to what?

This is what Sara Roy calls de-development. This is for the 2014 attack only.

Damage to agricultural land and the fishing sector shattered the local economy – the Ministry of Agriculture estimated a loss of US$550 million. The hostilities damaged 42,000 acres of farmland, as well as greenhouses, irrigation systems, livestock, fodder stocks and fishing boats, affecting the livelihoods of some 40,000 people.

Gaza Crisis Facts and Figures​

Of course there is also the restriction on trade.

So?
Start stupid wars face consequence.
You act as if Israel owes something the the Gazans.

Why don't You ask the guy who now ran away to Qatar yet once again with his billions, for whom those US$550 million are just a PR investment to generate another billion on the account of his people suffering.

And all it takes is shoot rockets, kidnap Israelis and run away to the Gulf.

The Palestinians did not start any war. [[/QUOTE]

Arab pogroms pushed against Palestinian Jews were an initial cause in Zionist organization,
and it were the Arabs who joined British military invasion of the land.

They have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[P F Tinmore]

QUOTE="rylah, post: 20007826, member: 54800"]

8 mill shekels from Gaza 2017 alone, not including seasonal deals before holidays.
Before Hamas 25% of vegetables in Israel were of Gaza production, the export to Israel was 28 times higher.

Why so little?

Compared to what?

This is what Sara Roy calls de-development. This is for the 2014 attack only.

Damage to agricultural land and the fishing sector shattered the local economy – the Ministry of Agriculture estimated a loss of US$550 million. The hostilities damaged 42,000 acres of farmland, as well as greenhouses, irrigation systems, livestock, fodder stocks and fishing boats, affecting the livelihoods of some 40,000 people.

Gaza Crisis Facts and Figures​

Of course there is also the restriction on trade.

So?
Start stupid wars face consequence.
You act as if Israel owes something the the Gazans.

Why don't You ask the guy who now ran away to Qatar yet once again with his billions, for whom those US$550 million are just a PR investment to generate another billion on the account of his people suffering.

And all it takes is shoot rockets, kidnap Israelis and run away to the Gulf.

The Palestinians did not start any war. [

Arab pogroms pushed against Palestinian Jews were an initial cause in Zionist organization,
and it were the Arabs who joined British military invasion of the land.

They have no one to blame but themselves.[/QUOTE]
The Palestinians were at home minding their own business. They did not go attack anybody.