The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Sunshine]

Trayvon's faults don't matter. What matters is that he had every right to be where he was and he ended up dead.

Of course they "matter". If he didn't react violently to someone following him at a distance then there is no fight and he doesn't get shot. It's a "fault" to over react. Punching someone in the face simply because they follow you is the very definition of over reacting.

We don't know who attacked first, one. In Florida you are allowed to defend yourself if you fear for your life, two. Following someone could easily lead the person being followed to be in fear for their life.

You sure are stuck on stupid.

Just walking behind someone is not illegal. And it is not cause for the person in front to turn around and attack the person walking behind them.

 

[Luissa]

You know what I find most amusing? You're all so fired up about how "innocent" Trayvon Martin was yet the truth of the matter is that the reason he was IN Sanford in the first place was that he'd been suspended from school because they discovered pot and stolen women's jewelry in his backpack. So what was Zimmerman concerned about when he called the Police? That the guy in the hoodie might be a thief or on drugs? Well gee whiz, campers! Ole' George nailed that one right on the head...didn't he?

No he didn't nail anything! Do you know anything about teenagers? Smoking pot does not make a kid a villain. Breaking into a locker and taking some jewelry (that seems to be the supposition about what was found in his back pack) does not suggest that his next step is breaking into a house and burglarizing it: that's like going straight from taking vitamin supplements to do well in sports to getting hooked on steroids. It's a giant leap.

No "nailing" of anything, except in the minds of those without critical thinking skills who make irrational leaps of logic.

Getting suspended from school also doesn't make him a thug or a bad guy. Do you have any idea how many kids get suspended, for a myriad of things? Getting suspended does not a juvenile delinquent make, not by a long, long stretch.

Getting suspended from school for theft makes him a thief. What part of that is a "stretch"? The assumption that someone who has already committed a crime is more apt to commit another one is simple common sense. But you don't want to admit THAT because that spoils your whole "innocent child" narrative.

Zimmerman didnt know his history and he wasn't committing a crime when he was followed.

 

[Oldstyle]

I never said Zimmerman DID know his history, Luissa. I simply pointed out that what caused Zimmerman to call the Police in the first place was his suspicion that Trayvon Martin was checking out houses in an area that had been burglarized so often that they'd formed a neighborhood watch to try and protect themselves. Zimmerman basically thinks Martin is a potential burglar. Now if Trayvon Martin didn't HAVE a history of theft...the very reason he'd been suspended from school and was now staying IN Sanford...then you'd be correct in pointing out that Zimmerman had unfairly assessed him. But when you find out that Martin was indeed a thief then it's hard to make the claim that Zimmerman's instincts weren't spot on.

Martin hasn't committed a crime when Zimmerman follows him...but neither has Zimmerman because he's suspicious of Martin's behavior. The "crime" occurs when someone strikes another person and from all of the evidence that person would be Trayvon Martin...not George Zimmerman.

 

[Sunshine]

I never said Zimmerman DID know his history, Luissa. I simply pointed out that what caused Zimmerman to call the Police in the first place was his suspicion that Trayvon Martin was checking out houses in an area that had been burglarized so often that they'd formed a neighborhood watch to try and protect themselves. Zimmerman basically thinks Martin is a potential burglar. Now if Trayvon Martin didn't HAVE a history of theft...the very reason he'd been suspended from school and was now staying IN Sanford...then you'd be correct in pointing out that Zimmerman had unfairly assessed him. But when you find out that Martin was indeed a thief then it's hard to make the claim that Zimmerman's instincts weren't spot on.

Martin hasn't committed a crime when Zimmerman follows him...but neither has Zimmerman because he's suspicious of Martin's behavior. The "crime" occurs when someone strikes another person and from all of the evidence that person would be Trayvon Martin...not George Zimmerman.

It is not illegal to walk behind someone, and I don't believe Zimmerman had brandished a gun. No unarmed person would attack someone he knew to have a gun. If someone was walking behind me and I was afraid, I would stay under the lights, not duck behind a building where there were no lights. A lot of people have spun a lot of tales about this one. I believe the outcome of this case is going to be far different than a lot of people expect. I think it IS possible to find an impartial jury. One day, I mentioned the case to some of my coworkers and they had no idea who I was talking about.

 

[Esmeralda]

I never said Zimmerman DID know his history, Luissa. I simply pointed out that what caused Zimmerman to call the Police in the first place was his suspicion that Trayvon Martin was checking out houses in an area that had been burglarized so often that they'd formed a neighborhood watch to try and protect themselves. Zimmerman basically thinks Martin is a potential burglar. Now if Trayvon Martin didn't HAVE a history of theft...the very reason he'd been suspended from school and was now staying IN Sanford...then you'd be correct in pointing out that Zimmerman had unfairly assessed him. But when you find out that Martin was indeed a thief then it's hard to make the claim that Zimmerman's instincts weren't spot on.

Martin hasn't committed a crime when Zimmerman follows him...but neither has Zimmerman because he's suspicious of Martin's behavior. The "crime" occurs when someone strikes another person and from all of the evidence that person would be Trayvon Martin...not George Zimmerman.

Total nonsense. Zimmerman's 'instincts' were that that the person he was following was a potential burglar, which is ludicrous.

 

[Meathead]

Total nonsense. Zimmerman's 'instincts' were that that the person he was following was a potential burglar, which is ludicrous.

Seriously, why was it ludicrous? A mother with two children would have certainly been. ludicruus

 

[JoeB131]

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Walking behind someone is not illegal. And he said '******* kids.'

Oh, oh, is that the version.

Because I've also heard his apologists say it was "******* Cold", "******* Punks" and now "******* kids".

I've listened to that tape. It sounds like "coons" to me.

 

[Oldstyle]

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Walking behind someone is not illegal. And he said '******* kids.'

Oh, oh, is that the version.

Because I've also heard his apologists say it was "******* Cold", "******* Punks" and now "******* kids".

I've listened to that tape. It sounds like "coons" to me.

So the same guy that organized protests against the Sanford Police when a white officer's kid beat up a black homeless man and wasn't arrested for it...THAT guy is the one who called someone a "coon"?

Do yourself a favor, Joe...when you try to smear someone with the "racist" label? Try picking someone that doesn't have a record of fighting AGAINST racism.

 

[Oldstyle]

I never said Zimmerman DID know his history, Luissa. I simply pointed out that what caused Zimmerman to call the Police in the first place was his suspicion that Trayvon Martin was checking out houses in an area that had been burglarized so often that they'd formed a neighborhood watch to try and protect themselves. Zimmerman basically thinks Martin is a potential burglar. Now if Trayvon Martin didn't HAVE a history of theft...the very reason he'd been suspended from school and was now staying IN Sanford...then you'd be correct in pointing out that Zimmerman had unfairly assessed him. But when you find out that Martin was indeed a thief then it's hard to make the claim that Zimmerman's instincts weren't spot on.

Martin hasn't committed a crime when Zimmerman follows him...but neither has Zimmerman because he's suspicious of Martin's behavior. The "crime" occurs when someone strikes another person and from all of the evidence that person would be Trayvon Martin...not George Zimmerman.

Total nonsense. Zimmerman's 'instincts' were that that the person he was following was a potential burglar, which is ludicrous.

Since you were not there, Esmeralda and have no idea what Trayvon Martin was doing why is it that you know that what George Zimmerman observed WASN'T suspicious? Since Martin had just been suspended from school because he was found to have stolen property in his possession it's pretty obvious that he was INDEED a "potential burglar".

 

[MeBelle]

Walking behind someone is not illegal. And he said '******* kids.'

Oh, oh, is that the version.

Because I've also heard his apologists say it was "******* Cold", "******* Punks" and now "******* kids".

I've listened to that tape. It sounds like "coons" to me.

No, you already lost this assertion. Period. One more time...read slowly.

It Was 'Cold,' Not 'Coon': CNN Backtracks On Its Claim That Zimmerman Used Racial Slur In 911 Call

In a dramatic turnaround from its earlier charge that George Zimmerman, the self-confessed killer of 17-year-old African American teen Trayvon Martin, used a racial slur during the 911 call prior to shooting Martin, the Cable News Network says its expert may have misinterpreted the word.

In a video broadcast on March 22, CNN anchor Anderson Cooper and features reporter Gary Tuchman, along with an audio expert, had alleged that the neighborhood watch member Zimmerman may have used a racial slur, following an expletive, to refer to the African American teen during his call placed with the Sanford, Florida, police on Feb. 26, prior to fatally shooting Martin.

The video shows Tuchman listening to the enhanced 911 call, as CNN audio design specialist plays the single word over and over, and then exclaims: That sounds even more like the word (coon or coons) than using it with the F-word before that.

However, in another video uploaded to the CNN website on Wednesday, the network backtracked from its earlier claims to admit that the word doesn't sound like that slur anymore.

Network anchor Wolf Blitzer and Gary Tuchman and a different audio expert are shown unanimously agreeing that Zimmerman in fact said f***ing cold and not f***ing coon as earlier interpreted.

It doesn't sound like that slur anymore, Tuchman says. It sounds like - and we wanted to leave it up to the viewer - but it sounds like we're hearing the swear word at first and the word 'cold.'

CNN's gaffe coincides with a similar incident in which NBC apologized for tampering with the tape of the 911 call made by Zimmerman which misleadingly made him sound racist.

 

[JoeB131]

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So the same guy that organized protests against the Sanford Police when a white officer's kid beat up a black homeless man and wasn't arrested for it...THAT guy is the one who called someone a "coon"?

Do yourself a favor, Joe...when you try to smear someone with the "racist" label? Try picking someone that doesn't have a record of fighting AGAINST racism.

HE SHOT A BLACK CHILD.

Nothing else matters. Nothing else is important.

But how about this. We leave him alone in the African American community, and let THEM deal with him.

Sounds fair to me.

 

[JoeB131]

Walking behind someone is not illegal. And he said '******* kids.'

Oh, oh, is that the version.

Because I've also heard his apologists say it was "******* Cold", "******* Punks" and now "******* kids".

I've listened to that tape. It sounds like "coons" to me.

No, you already lost this assertion. Period. One more time...read slowly.

Why. I heard what I heard. I'm sure a Jury will conclude the same thing.

 

[MeBelle]

Oh, oh, is that the version.

Because I've also heard his apologists say it was "******* Cold", "******* Punks" and now "******* kids".

I've listened to that tape. It sounds like "coons" to me.

No, you already lost this assertion. Period. One more time...read slowly.

Why. I heard what I heard. I'm sure a Jury will conclude the same thing.

You refuse to read or view the evidence provided.
Want to lay a bet on what the Jury will conclude?

 

[JoeB131]

No, you already lost this assertion. Period. One more time...read slowly.

Why. I heard what I heard. I'm sure a Jury will conclude the same thing.

You refuse to read or view the evidence provided.
Want to lay a bet on what the Jury will conclude?

Not really. Frankly, I've given up on the Jury system after they ignored obvious evidence O.J. Simpson turned his wife into a Pez Dispenser.

But if a state jury acquits, there will be federal charges after the race riots.

Fatboy won't get away from those.

 

[millyvanilly]

What I'm basically saying is, I'm perfectly happy to sacrifice this turd for civil peace.

And maybe the next asshole who thinks he's The Punisher might think twice about going around shooting kids.

So, really, wins all around.

And what about when it's YOUR turn to be the 'sacrifice' for 'civil peace.' You have an accident an the black community gets all up in arms about you. No justice for you. Just sacrifice you to the mob. But of course that won't happen to you because you don't live in the 'hood, work in the 'hood' or even frequent the 'hood.

This wasn't an "Accident".

He intentionally followed this kid, disobeyed a direct order from the cops to stand down, and shot a weaker, smaller person because he was apparently getting his ass kicked.

Oh, yeah, not to mention they caught him on tape saying "F**king C**ns, they always get away."

George Zimmerman followed a guy who was walking around in the rain looking in windows. Now, lets see, I as a 64 YO woman might peer into windows looking at the decor and for decorating ideas. Why would a young guy be doing that; probably seeing what they have... There was a problem with break ins there other wise they would not need a watchman out keeping track of goings on.

Trayvon was 6' and 160 lbs according to the police report. GZ was 5'9" and no weight given. So, who was the weaker, smaller person?

Trayvon was up at his dad's girlfriend's house because he was suspended from school for drugs and women's jewelry and burglary tools found in his personal possessions. Not too big a stretch to think he was casing houses there for some more of his " business opportunities".

If some young thug was pounding my head into the pavement and telling me I was going to die I would shoot him, too.

GZ would not have been charged had the "community" and rabble-rousers like AS and JJ got involved stirring up the race baiters.

Oh, if TM was smaller and weaker, why was he kicking GZ's ass?

 

[JoeB131]

George Zimmerman followed a guy who was walking around in the rain looking in windows. Now, lets see, I as a 64 YO woman might peer into windows looking at the decor and for decorating ideas. Why would a young guy be doing that; probably seeing what they have... There was a problem with break ins there other wise they would not need a watchman out keeping track of goings on.

Trayvon was 6' and 160 lbs according to the police report. GZ was 5'9" and no weight given. So, who was the weaker, smaller person?

Trayvon was up at his dad's girlfriend's house because he was suspended from school for drugs and women's jewelry and burglary tools found in his personal possessions. Not too big a stretch to think he was casing houses there for some more of his " business opportunities".

If some young thug was pounding my head into the pavement and telling me I was going to die I would shoot him, too.

GZ would not have been charged had the "community" and rabble-rousers like AS and JJ got involved stirring up the race baiters.

Oh, if TM was smaller and weaker, why was he kicking GZ's ass?

Because like most bullies, he gets his ass kicked when people fight back.

You are right on one point. If "Rabble Rousers" hadn't brought up the obscenity of a white man getting to shoot a black child with no consequences, this would have gotten swept under the rug.

You guys can try to slime the victim all day, but the judge disallowed most of this propaganda....

 

[millyvanilly]

I never said Zimmerman DID know his history, Luissa. I simply pointed out that what caused Zimmerman to call the Police in the first place was his suspicion that Trayvon Martin was checking out houses in an area that had been burglarized so often that they'd formed a neighborhood watch to try and protect themselves. Zimmerman basically thinks Martin is a potential burglar. Now if Trayvon Martin didn't HAVE a history of theft...the very reason he'd been suspended from school and was now staying IN Sanford...then you'd be correct in pointing out that Zimmerman had unfairly assessed him. But when you find out that Martin was indeed a thief then it's hard to make the claim that Zimmerman's instincts weren't spot on.

Martin hasn't committed a crime when Zimmerman follows him...but neither has Zimmerman because he's suspicious of Martin's behavior. The "crime" occurs when someone strikes another person and from all of the evidence that person would be Trayvon Martin...not George Zimmerman.

Total nonsense. Zimmerman's 'instincts' were that that the person he was following was a potential burglar, which is ludicrous.

Interesting, was Trayvon walking around in the dark in the rain admiring the architecture of the buildings? Was he in a straight line from the store to his dad's girlfriend's house?
Heck, he didn't even go to her house when GZ stopped following him, he circled around and attacked GZ.

He should have just gone to the GF's place. He might still be alive now but then his mom and dad wouldn't have the $$$.

TM had trouble written all over him; GZ was fully in his rights to be watching him.

 

[Esmeralda]

I never said Zimmerman DID know his history, Luissa. I simply pointed out that what caused Zimmerman to call the Police in the first place was his suspicion that Trayvon Martin was checking out houses in an area that had been burglarized so often that they'd formed a neighborhood watch to try and protect themselves. Zimmerman basically thinks Martin is a potential burglar. Now if Trayvon Martin didn't HAVE a history of theft...the very reason he'd been suspended from school and was now staying IN Sanford...then you'd be correct in pointing out that Zimmerman had unfairly assessed him. But when you find out that Martin was indeed a thief then it's hard to make the claim that Zimmerman's instincts weren't spot on.

Martin hasn't committed a crime when Zimmerman follows him...but neither has Zimmerman because he's suspicious of Martin's behavior. The "crime" occurs when someone strikes another person and from all of the evidence that person would be Trayvon Martin...not George Zimmerman.

Total nonsense. Zimmerman's 'instincts' were that that the person he was following was a potential burglar, which is ludicrous.

Interesting, was Trayvon walking around in the dark in the rain admiring the architecture of the buildings? Was he in a straight line from the store to his dad's girlfriend's house?
Heck, he didn't even go to her house when GZ stopped following him, he circled around and attacked GZ.

He should have just gone to the GF's place. He might still be alive now but then his mom and dad wouldn't have the $$$.

TM had trouble written all over him; GZ was fully in his rights to be watching him.

Simple common sense: a person doesn't jump from possibly taking things out of school lockers to burglarizing homes. It's just ludicrous to think so, a ridiculous leap of logic. Trayvon was not a thug, not a burglar, not a juvenile delinquent, not a gangster.

He was a kid walking home from the convenience store. He can take his time if he wants; he's a kid. He doesn't have to make a beeline to and from the store. He talking to his girlfriend on the phone, not planning a burglary.

We only have Zimmerman's story to go by, a proven liar and a person who has been in trouble with the police before. We don't know that Martin doubled back and attacked Zimmerman: that's Zimmerman's story. What makes everything he says to me have no validity is that he told the police that Martin said to him " You're going to die tonight." What total BS. A most likely scared 17 year old who has never had more than a school yard fist fight is suddenly going to turn on a man twice his age who is not a small man, and say that. How ridiculous to believe such a thing. It's racist to believe such a thing. It indicates that white people think all black kids are gang bangers and hoodlums instead of ordinary kids. It indicates people truly think that Trayvon, as compared to an average white kid, is familiar with and comfortable with the idea of killing someone, just like that: that he is a fearless, agressive, violent young man who has no qualms about considering killing someone. Totally ridiculous. Only a jury filled with racists is going to believe he said that. And if they realize Zimmerman is lying about that, they will put no faith in anything Zimmerman says. Zimmerman will go to jail. And he deserves to do so. He killed an innocent, unarmed teenager. You have an armed adult chasing down an unarmed teenager. The teen ends up dead. This should not be so. This is not just about racism, it is also about pro-gun people wanting to USE their guns. I read it over and over on this forum, how blood thirsty people are, wanting to use their guns to blow people away. Chomping at the bit, drooling over it. It's disgusting. Now you see a guy who did what you all want to do, plus he killed a black kid: oh heavenly days--it's a dream come true.

Sickening.

 

[Oldstyle]

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So the same guy that organized protests against the Sanford Police when a white officer's kid beat up a black homeless man and wasn't arrested for it...THAT guy is the one who called someone a "coon"?

Do yourself a favor, Joe...when you try to smear someone with the "racist" label? Try picking someone that doesn't have a record of fighting AGAINST racism.

HE SHOT A BLACK CHILD.

Nothing else matters. Nothing else is important.

But how about this. We leave him alone in the African American community, and let THEM deal with him.

Sounds fair to me.

Nothing else matters except that Trayvon Martin is black? Did you REALLY just make a statement that ignorant?

You don't have an explanation for why the man you accuse of racism organized a protest when a black homeless man was beaten by a white police officer's son and no charges were brought...do you? Why WOULD a racist do that? The simple answer is that a racist WOULDN'T. So you accuse someone of being something that they clearly are not...because you've bought into the "narrative" that George Zimmerman MUST be a racist because he shot a black teenager. Sounds fair to you?

 

[Oldstyle]

Total nonsense. Zimmerman's 'instincts' were that that the person he was following was a potential burglar, which is ludicrous.

Interesting, was Trayvon walking around in the dark in the rain admiring the architecture of the buildings? Was he in a straight line from the store to his dad's girlfriend's house?
Heck, he didn't even go to her house when GZ stopped following him, he circled around and attacked GZ.

He should have just gone to the GF's place. He might still be alive now but then his mom and dad wouldn't have the $$$.

TM had trouble written all over him; GZ was fully in his rights to be watching him.

Simple common sense: a person doesn't jump from possibly taking things out of school lockers to burglarizing homes. It's just ludicrous to think so, a ridiculous leap of logic. Trayvon was not a thug, not a burglar, not a juvenile delinquent, not a gangster.

He was a kid walking home from the convenience store. He can take his time if he wants; he's a kid. He doesn't have to make a beeline to and from the store. He talking to his girlfriend on the phone, not planning a burglary.

We only have Zimmerman's story to go by, a proven liar and a person who has been in trouble with the police before. We don't know that Martin doubled back and attacked Zimmerman: that's Zimmerman's story. What makes everything he says to me have no validity is that he told the police that Martin said to him " You're going to die tonight." What total BS. A most likely scared 17 year old who has never had more than a school yard fist fight is suddenly going to turn on a man twice his age who is not a small man, and say that. How ridiculous to believe such a thing. It's racist to believe such a thing. It indicates that white people think all black kids are gang bangers and hoodlums instead of ordinary kids. It indicates people truly think that Trayvon, as compared to an average white kid, is familiar with and comfortable with the idea of killing someone, just like that: that he is a fearless, agressive, violent young man who has no qualms about considering killing someone. Totally ridiculous. Only a jury filled with racists is going to believe he said that. And if they realize Zimmerman is lying about that, they will put no faith in anything Zimmerman says. Zimmerman will go to jail. And he deserves to do so. He killed an innocent, unarmed teenager. You have an armed adult chasing down an unarmed teenager. The teen ends up dead. This should not be so. This is not just about racism, it is also about pro-gun people wanting to USE their guns. I read it over and over on this forum, how blood thirsty people are, wanting to use their guns to blow people away. Chomping at the bit, drooling over it. It's disgusting. Now you see a guy who did what you all want to do, plus he killed a black kid: oh heavenly days--it's a dream come true.

Sickening.

This has ZERO to do with what happened that night in Sanford, Florida. Oh, no...this is about gun control and your preconceived notion of what gun owners are really like. You made up your mind that George Zimmerman is a racist. You made up your mind that he was blood thirsty. Why? Because that's what you gun control zealots think ALL gun owners are really like.