The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[legaleagle_45]

I hope you are right about the double jeopardy thing.

I am quite correct about that double jeopardy thing.. as well as that Virginia Magistrate being little more than a glorified clerk thing and the implauability of your Blue Wall conspiracy theory thing.

 

[Geaux4it]

I'm not certain what the race issue is. Obama talked like the KKK was behind the thugs death instead of a Hispanic.

I'm sure LEO really appreciates the dumb ass speech as it puts them in extreme danger



-Geaux

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I hope you are right about the double jeopardy thing.

I am quite correct about that double jeopardy thing.. as well as that Virginia Magistrate being little more than a glorified clerk thing and the implauability of your Blue Wall conspiracy theory thing.

The police are perfect, of course.

 

[Zoom-boing]

"The guy did what anyone would do when attacked..."

I don't believe so.

1. The station was closed....he could have ignored the customer

2. The opened the locked door, and engaged in in the verbal dispute

3. The punch had very limited effect

4. If the attack had continued, or a deadly weapon used, the use of the gun would have been appropriate. Not here.

5. "anyone" would not have behave so....and I can prove it.
Licensed gun owners try to avoid the use of the gun....

"In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker."
Source: "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, Volume 86, Number 1, Fall, 1995


and


But violent crimes have been rare among carrying a concealed weapon license holders. Only 2% of license holders have been sanctioned for any kind of misbehavior, State Police records show.
Guns Don?t Kill People; Dangerous Minorities Do ? The Detroit Edition | Stuff Black People Don't Like 2.0


So...if you and I were on a jury and the charges were based on the vid, our votes would, it seems, be very different.

If I were on the jury I'd be seeing a whole lot more evidence from both sides about the case. Where's the rest of the surveillance vid? How did you get all that info from just watching the vid?

You cut my sentence. "The guy did what anyone would do when attacked..." You stopped there. What he did was to defend himself.

"anyone" would not have behave so....and I can prove it.

Yes, someone who gets attacked will try to defend themselves. Many different ways to do that, not just with a gun.

The clerk had been held up and shot in the previous year. He got punched by an obviously angry guy so he defended himself and didn't take the chance on being shot again. Unfortunately for the attacker the guy's choice of self defense was a gun.

" How did you get all that info from just watching the vid?"

I read the story. James Calloway was shot in the stomach.

The name is mentioned in the vid.....so I looked up the story
Surveillance video shows violent confrontation at gas station | khou.com Houston


But my view of 'guilty' is based entirely on the vid.




"The clerk had been held up and shot in the previous year."
Has nothing to do with this shooting.



"... he defended himself and didn't take the chance on being shot again."
Did you see a gun that the individual had? I didn't.



"Unfortunately for the attacker the guy's choice of self defense was a gun.
Unfortunate for both.
The shooter should go to jail.

That's just it ... the guy who got attacked was the one who was shot the previous year and from that experience he learned a lesson so he chose to defend himself.

No, I didn't see a gun from the guy who punched him. Does that mean there wasn't one? Should the guy who got punched have waited until the attacker put one in his face?

What was the verbal exchange between these two? Did the attacker physically threaten the clerk? Lots of unknowns.

Have to disagree with you on this, PC. In light of what happened to the store clerk last year, this guy coming in verbally threatening? intimidating? him, then punching him in the face ... the clerk was just defending himself.

 

[thanatos144]

I hope you are right about the double jeopardy thing.

I am quite correct about that double jeopardy thing.. as well as that Virginia Magistrate being little more than a glorified clerk thing and the implauability of your Blue Wall conspiracy theory thing.

The police are perfect, of course.

a liberal that hates the police color me not shocked

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I am quite correct about that double jeopardy thing.. as well as that Virginia Magistrate being little more than a glorified clerk thing and the implauability of your Blue Wall conspiracy theory thing.

The police are perfect, of course.

a liberal that hates the police color me not shocked

I'm a conservative, not liberal.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

TM left the store at 6:24pm & GZ called police at 7:09pm. That is a full 45 minutes & it only takes 9 minutes to walk from 7-11 to where GZ first spotted him walking in yards next to houses & starring at them. It only takes 12 minutes to walk from 7-11 to his dad's GF house. TM spent 36 minutes in yards scoping out houses instead of walking home. Anyone doing that is suspect. Police found a Slim Jim Burglar Tool in bush where TM hid.

Tell me exactly which law Zimmerman broke!

1. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon? - No!
2. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to continue following TM even after the police dispatcher recommended he stop? - No!
3. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to suspect someone spending 4 times more time looking around at night than walking home & met the description of someone committing a rash of burglaries in the area? - No!
4. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to carry a gun? - No!
5. Was the Stand Your Gun any part of the law used by Zimmerman's attorneys? - No! Anyone who's read this law knows it was not applicable in this case.
6. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to shoot Trayvon? - No! - Zimmerman faced great bodily harm inflicted by Trayvon....any reasonable person would have shot their gun under those circumstances.

Trayvon broke many laws & unfortunately it caused him to lose his life. First TM broke Florida 856.021 Loitering or Prowling Law. - (1) It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity. (2) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern. (3) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree.

Then TM committed "Battery" with the first sucker punch that DD said he threw breaking GZ's nose knocking him to the ground. Then TM committed "Felony Battery" when he attacked GZ again as he laid on the ground screaming HELP! Then TM committed "Felony Attempted Murder" pounding GZ head onto concrete. TM stated his intent to kill GZ when he said "your are going to die".


Trayvon Martin likely knew more about Stand Your Ground law than George Zimmerman. TM's parents have been going after SYG law even though it had nothing to do with TM's death. TM often wore his Cory Craig Johnson button as he did the night he was killed. Cory Craig Johnson's death is why the Martin family have such a keen interest in defeating the “Stand-Your-Ground” law. JOHNSON v. STATE No. 82-369.

Yes, it was illegal and not self-defense.

Dr. Valerie Rao calls George Zimmerman's injuries insignificant - UPI.com

A medical examiner Tuesday called George Zimmerman's injuries insignificant on the night he shot Trayvon Martin.

Dr. Valerie Rao, medical examiner for Duval, Clay and Nassau, counties told the Sanford court she reviewed evidence and concluded Zimmerman's injuries were "not life threatening, very insignificant." She added the beating Zimmerman claimed he sustained from Martin prior to the shooting would have resulted in severe damage and bleeding.

She also indicated that GZ was lying and attempting to cover his crime.

 

[pioneerpete]

The police are perfect, of course.

a liberal that hates the police color me not shocked

I'm a conservative, not liberal.

The freemasons robbed GZ of his constitutional rights.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

a liberal that hates the police color me not shocked

I'm a conservative, not liberal.

The freemasons robbed GZ of his constitutional rights.

They also didn't pick up the tab when I went to lunch with them.

 

[pioneerpete]

TM left the store at 6:24pm & GZ called police at 7:09pm. That is a full 45 minutes & it only takes 9 minutes to walk from 7-11 to where GZ first spotted him walking in yards next to houses & starring at them. It only takes 12 minutes to walk from 7-11 to his dad's GF house. TM spent 36 minutes in yards scoping out houses instead of walking home. Anyone doing that is suspect. Police found a Slim Jim Burglar Tool in bush where TM hid.

Tell me exactly which law Zimmerman broke!

1. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon? - No!
2. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to continue following TM even after the police dispatcher recommended he stop? - No!
3. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to suspect someone spending 4 times more time looking around at night than walking home & met the description of someone committing a rash of burglaries in the area? - No!
4. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to carry a gun? - No!
5. Was the Stand Your Gun any part of the law used by Zimmerman's attorneys? - No! Anyone who's read this law knows it was not applicable in this case.
6. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to shoot Trayvon? - No! - Zimmerman faced great bodily harm inflicted by Trayvon....any reasonable person would have shot their gun under those circumstances.

Trayvon broke many laws & unfortunately it caused him to lose his life. First TM broke Florida 856.021 Loitering or Prowling Law. - (1) It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity. (2) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern. (3) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree.

Then TM committed "Battery" with the first sucker punch that DD said he threw breaking GZ's nose knocking him to the ground. Then TM committed "Felony Battery" when he attacked GZ again as he laid on the ground screaming HELP! Then TM committed "Felony Attempted Murder" pounding GZ head onto concrete. TM stated his intent to kill GZ when he said "your are going to die".


Trayvon Martin likely knew more about Stand Your Ground law than George Zimmerman. TM's parents have been going after SYG law even though it had nothing to do with TM's death. TM often wore his Cory Craig Johnson button as he did the night he was killed. Cory Craig Johnson's death is why the Martin family have such a keen interest in defeating the “Stand-Your-Ground” law. JOHNSON v. STATE No. 82-369.

Yes, it was illegal and not self-defense.

Dr. Valerie Rao calls George Zimmerman's injuries insignificant - UPI.com

A medical examiner Tuesday called George Zimmerman's injuries insignificant on the night he shot Trayvon Martin.

Dr. Valerie Rao, medical examiner for Duval, Clay and Nassau, counties told the Sanford court she reviewed evidence and concluded Zimmerman's injuries were "not life threatening, very insignificant." She added the beating Zimmerman claimed he sustained from Martin prior to the shooting would have resulted in severe damage and bleeding.

She also indicated that GZ was lying and attempting to cover his crime.

Dr. Rao must have been part of the freemason conspiracy. She must have plugged into GZ's brain to read his thoughts to know if he was in fear for his life. She had plenty of time to do this seeing as she was in between employers for sketchy practices. Has anybody checked to see if there is a Roslin chapel in Sanford, FL?

 

[Little-Acorn]

In some surprise remarks at today's White House briefing, President Obama injected himself into the Zimmerman/Martin case yet again. He said:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/whit...martin-could-ve-been-me-35-years-ago-20130719

"There are very few African-American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store—that includes me," he said. The same goes for African-American men who have heard "locks click on the doors of cars," or seen a woman in an elevator "clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off."

But for some reason, he still has not mentioned that Martin had attacked an innocent man and beaten him. The jury that found Zimmerman "Not Guilty", clearly decided he had justifiably defended himself against Martin's attack.

If Obama has any respect for our country's justcie system and the jury trial process, why does he not at least mention, in addition to Martin's tragic but justified death brought on by his attack on another man, the fact that that other man, who was not guilty of any crime at all, has been driven into hiding and will never live a normal life again?

Mr. President, doesn't Zimmerman count too?

You do respect the jury process that found him Not Guilty... don't you?

.

 

[The T]

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A new doggie for li'l Trayvon:

Or maybe two:

 

[pioneerpete]

I'm a conservative, not liberal.

The freemasons robbed GZ of his constitutional rights.

They also didn't pick up the tab when I went to lunch with them.

So you agree with me that the freemasons are heavily involved in this.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

TM left the store at 6:24pm & GZ called police at 7:09pm. That is a full 45 minutes & it only takes 9 minutes to walk from 7-11 to where GZ first spotted him walking in yards next to houses & starring at them. It only takes 12 minutes to walk from 7-11 to his dad's GF house. TM spent 36 minutes in yards scoping out houses instead of walking home. Anyone doing that is suspect. Police found a Slim Jim Burglar Tool in bush where TM hid.

Tell me exactly which law Zimmerman broke!

1. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon? - No!
2. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to continue following TM even after the police dispatcher recommended he stop? - No!
3. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to suspect someone spending 4 times more time looking around at night than walking home & met the description of someone committing a rash of burglaries in the area? - No!
4. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to carry a gun? - No!
5. Was the Stand Your Gun any part of the law used by Zimmerman's attorneys? - No! Anyone who's read this law knows it was not applicable in this case.
6. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to shoot Trayvon? - No! - Zimmerman faced great bodily harm inflicted by Trayvon....any reasonable person would have shot their gun under those circumstances.

Trayvon broke many laws & unfortunately it caused him to lose his life. First TM broke Florida 856.021 Loitering or Prowling Law. - (1) It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity. (2) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern. (3) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree.

Then TM committed "Battery" with the first sucker punch that DD said he threw breaking GZ's nose knocking him to the ground. Then TM committed "Felony Battery" when he attacked GZ again as he laid on the ground screaming HELP! Then TM committed "Felony Attempted Murder" pounding GZ head onto concrete. TM stated his intent to kill GZ when he said "your are going to die".


Trayvon Martin likely knew more about Stand Your Ground law than George Zimmerman. TM's parents have been going after SYG law even though it had nothing to do with TM's death. TM often wore his Cory Craig Johnson button as he did the night he was killed. Cory Craig Johnson's death is why the Martin family have such a keen interest in defeating the “Stand-Your-Ground” law. JOHNSON v. STATE No. 82-369.

Yes, it was illegal and not self-defense.

Dr. Valerie Rao calls George Zimmerman's injuries insignificant - UPI.com

A medical examiner Tuesday called George Zimmerman's injuries insignificant on the night he shot Trayvon Martin.

Dr. Valerie Rao, medical examiner for Duval, Clay and Nassau, counties told the Sanford court she reviewed evidence and concluded Zimmerman's injuries were "not life threatening, very insignificant." She added the beating Zimmerman claimed he sustained from Martin prior to the shooting would have resulted in severe damage and bleeding.

She also indicated that GZ was lying and attempting to cover his crime.

Dr. Rao must have been part of the freemason conspiracy. She must have plugged into GZ's brain to read his thoughts to know if he was in fear for his life. She had plenty of time to do this seeing as she was in between employers for sketchy practices. Has anybody checked to see if there is a Roslin chapel in Sanford, FL?

The testimony of a medical examiner often has the greatest impact in a murder trial.

 

[pioneerpete]

Yes, it was illegal and not self-defense.

Dr. Valerie Rao calls George Zimmerman's injuries insignificant - UPI.com



She also indicated that GZ was lying and attempting to cover his crime.

Dr. Rao must have been part of the freemason conspiracy. She must have plugged into GZ's brain to read his thoughts to know if he was in fear for his life. She had plenty of time to do this seeing as she was in between employers for sketchy practices. Has anybody checked to see if there is a Roslin chapel in Sanford, FL?

The testimony of a medical examiner often has the greatest impact in a murder trial.

It did.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzWeBbnqBnI]Dr. Vincent Di Maio (Pathologist) pt. 1/3 - 7/9/2013 - Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman Trial - YouTube[/ame]

 

[pioneerpete]

Dr. Rao must have been part of the freemason conspiracy. She must have plugged into GZ's brain to read his thoughts to know if he was in fear for his life. She had plenty of time to do this seeing as she was in between employers for sketchy practices. Has anybody checked to see if there is a Roslin chapel in Sanford, FL?

The testimony of a medical examiner often has the greatest impact in a murder trial.

It did.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzWeBbnqBnI]Dr. Vincent Di Maio (Pathologist) pt. 1/3 - 7/9/2013 - Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman Trial - YouTube[/ame]

Vincent Di Maio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

vs.

Panel that once declined to appoint Rao as medical examiner said yes on second try | jacksonville.com

 

[francoHFW]

Ugly Americans soul search? How dare he? LOL

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

The freemasons robbed GZ of his constitutional rights.

They also didn't pick up the tab when I went to lunch with them.

So you agree with me that the freemasons are heavily involved in this.

I doubt it. Their goals are much higher than this.

 

[pioneerpete]

They also didn't pick up the tab when I went to lunch with them.

So you agree with me that the freemasons are heavily involved in this.

I doubt it. Their goals are much higher than this.

Flip-flop. You changed your stance.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

So you agree with me that the freemasons are heavily involved in this.

I doubt it. Their goals are much higher than this.

Flip-flop. You changed your stance.

No, I already said I was sympathetic to your cause and already explained this ground. Are you going to start stuttering again?