The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Vagabond63]

The Invisible (female) Palestinians.

• Instead of referring to the female candidates by name and publishing their pictures, the electoral lists are using the terms "the wife of" or "sister."
  
  
• "It is disgraceful for any Islamic, national or independent list to scrap the names of the women. If they are not willing to recognize the woman's name, how will they accept the role of the women after they are elected? ... I'm against the participation of women in this manner. Let men participate in the election alone." — Nahed Abu Taima, Media Development Center at Bir Zeit University.
  
  
• Dr. Walid Al-Qatati, a writer and analyst specializing in Islamic affairs, said that the move reminded him of wedding invitations that are sent out without naming the brides.
  
  
• When Palestinian women carry out attacks against Israelis, Palestinian society glorifies them as heroes. Then the names and photos of these women are plastered across billboards. Yet it appears that when the women wish to work for life rather than for death, their identities are not fit for public consumption.

In a move that has outraged Palestinian women and various Palestinian factions, a number of Palestinian lists contesting the upcoming local elections, scheduled to take place on October 8, have decided to omit the names and photos of female candidates.

Instead of referring to the female candidates by name and publishing their pictures, the electoral lists are using the terms "the wife of" or "sister."

Critics have denounced the move as a "sign of retardation, extremism and bigotry." Other Palestinians have gone so far as comparing the removal of the female candidates' names and photos from the lists to the cruel pre-Islamic practice of infanticide (wa'd).


The Invisible (Female) Palestinians

That's appalling. Would never have been allowed under British rule.

 

[Mindful]

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[Shusha]

Posting this here too.

Do the indigenous people of the USA have the right to self determination? Hell no they don't. The right to self governance? No. The right to preserve their own culture? No.

I'm not sure if you are trying to say that the First Nations peoples of the US do not have these rights, or that they have not yet the ability to exercise those rights. But according to the UN they most certainly DO have those rights. United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

Article 3 Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Article 4 Indigenous peoples, in exercising their right to self-determination, have the right to autonomy or self-government in matters relating to their internal and local affairs, as well as ways and means for financing their autonomous functions.

Article 5 Indigenous peoples have the right to maintain and strengthen their distinct political, legal, economic, social and cultural institutions, while retaining their right to participate fully, if they so choose, in the political, economic, social and cultural life of the State.

Article 8 1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.

Article 11 1. Indigenous peoples have the right to practise and revitalize their cultural traditions and customs. This includes the right to maintain, protect and develop the past, present and future manifestations of their cultures, such as archaeological and historical sites, artefacts, designs, ceremonies, technologies and visual and performing arts and literature.

I asked the question about indigenous because I wanted to see the argument of people on here. People are making an argument, and often on here the arguments aren't very good. So, I try and look at the main parts and see if there's any logic at all.

How am I doing, then?

Jewish people aren't an ethnicity.

That sounds very much you've like something you've made your mind up about. But I'd challenge you to consider where you got this idea. Here's the definition of "ethnicity" again:

the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition

The Jewish people have both a common national and cultural tradition, of which religion is a part, but only a part. So it seems to me that you have to throw out the definition in order to reach your conclusion. And that is faulty logic.

But the point is we're dealing with who is indigenous of a particular piece of land. And the first factor here is that forefathers have to have lived there, and for many Jewish people this just isn't so. Or at least it isn't so for a long period of time. It depends on whether they think they can trace their ancestry back through Russia/Germany/wherever and then back to Palestine, which is probably almost impossible to do. So....

The Jewish people absolutely do believe they can trace their ancestry back to Israel, Judea and Samaria. Proof? Same language. Same religion. Same culture. Same traditions. Same life event practices (birth, marriage, death). Same holidays. Same celebrations. Same rituals. Same clothing peculiarities. Same legal system. Same foods. Same agricultural practices. Same myths. Same literature. Same history.

And again, a reminder that the definition of indigeneity is based on culture.

So it seems to me that while you are claiming to be trying to be fair and balanced, you have actually taken on a position which is untenable given the working definitions which apply to all other groups. You are the one who is working backwards from a belief and trying to justify it. Rather than checking to see if a particular group meets the criteria. As a test, try it out on any other ethnic group. Tell me how you would know they are part of that ethnic group.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Money donated to the people of Gaza for new homes, hospitals and schools is being stolen by Hamas to build terror tunnels, buy weapons and breed hate. This must stop.

Fight against terror. Add your name now to end-terror.com

Hamas to build terror tunnels,

Another bullshit Israel talking point. Every person attacked was an invading Israeli soldier. Not one civilian was attacked.

But this is just a part of Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign.

 

[Mindful]

Money donated to the people of Gaza for new homes, hospitals and schools is being stolen by Hamas to build terror tunnels, buy weapons and breed hate. This must stop.

Fight against terror. Add your name now to end-terror.com

Hamas to build terror tunnels,

Another bullshit Israel talking point. Every person attacked was an invading Israeli soldier. Not one civilian was attacked.

But this is just a part of Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Money donated to the people of Gaza for new homes, hospitals and schools is being stolen by Hamas to build terror tunnels, buy weapons and breed hate. This must stop.

Fight against terror. Add your name now to end-terror.com

Hamas to build terror tunnels,

Another bullshit Israel talking point. Every person attacked was an invading Israeli soldier. Not one civilian was attacked.

But this is just a part of Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign.

Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign is a hoot.

 

[theliq]

Posting this here too.

Do the indigenous people of the USA have the right to self determination? Hell no they don't. The right to self governance? No. The right to preserve their own culture? No.

I'm not sure if you are trying to say that the First Nations peoples of the US do not have these rights, or that they have not yet the ability to exercise those rights. But according to the UN they most certainly DO have those rights. United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

Article 3 Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Article 4 Indigenous peoples, in exercising their right to self-determination, have the right to autonomy or self-government in matters relating to their internal and local affairs, as well as ways and means for financing their autonomous functions.

Article 5 Indigenous peoples have the right to maintain and strengthen their distinct political, legal, economic, social and cultural institutions, while retaining their right to participate fully, if they so choose, in the political, economic, social and cultural life of the State.

Article 8 1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.

Article 11 1. Indigenous peoples have the right to practise and revitalize their cultural traditions and customs. This includes the right to maintain, protect and develop the past, present and future manifestations of their cultures, such as archaeological and historical sites, artefacts, designs, ceremonies, technologies and visual and performing arts and literature.

I asked the question about indigenous because I wanted to see the argument of people on here. People are making an argument, and often on here the arguments aren't very good. So, I try and look at the main parts and see if there's any logic at all.

How am I doing, then?

Jewish people aren't an ethnicity.

That sounds very much you've like something you've made your mind up about. But I'd challenge you to consider where you got this idea. Here's the definition of "ethnicity" again:

the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition

The Jewish people have both a common national and cultural tradition, of which religion is a part, but only a part. So it seems to me that you have to throw out the definition in order to reach your conclusion. And that is faulty logic.

But the point is we're dealing with who is indigenous of a particular piece of land. And the first factor here is that forefathers have to have lived there, and for many Jewish people this just isn't so. Or at least it isn't so for a long period of time. It depends on whether they think they can trace their ancestry back through Russia/Germany/wherever and then back to Palestine, which is probably almost impossible to do. So....

The Jewish people absolutely do believe they can trace their ancestry back to Israel, Judea and Samaria. Proof? Same language. Same religion. Same culture. Same traditions. Same life event practices (birth, marriage, death). Same holidays. Same celebrations. Same rituals. Same clothing peculiarities. Same legal system. Same foods. Same agricultural practices. Same myths. Same literature. Same history.

And again, a reminder that the definition of indigeneity is based on culture.

So it seems to me that while you are claiming to be trying to be fair and balanced, you have actually taken on a position which is untenable given the working definitions which apply to all other groups. You are the one who is working backwards from a belief and trying to justify it. Rather than checking to see if a particular group meets the criteria. As a test, try it out on any other ethnic group. Tell me how you would know they are part of that ethnic group.

There is NO proof because the Majority are Synthetic Converts to Judaism and have ZILCH direct decent from Abraham...End Of

 

[Linkiloo]

Is Synthetic Converts in capitals because it is a real term? Something tells me that isn't the case

 

[The Great Goose]

maybe there is no indigenous, anywhere? Or maybe its the people who were there longest?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Money donated to the people of Gaza for new homes, hospitals and schools is being stolen by Hamas to build terror tunnels, buy weapons and breed hate. This must stop.

Fight against terror. Add your name now to end-terror.com

Hamas to build terror tunnels,

Another bullshit Israel talking point. Every person attacked was an invading Israeli soldier. Not one civilian was attacked.

But this is just a part of Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign.

amen brotha.

 

[thetor]

Labelling Arab Muslim "Palestinians" an indigenous peoples stretches the definition of the term far past breaking point:

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference”

Source

his Land
A culture of the invading and colonizing peoples, by definition, can not be indigenous.

Well then,the Jews claim to this Land is Null and Void...Completely..Because the Jews invaded this Land and overthrough the Indigenous Canaanites that originally owned this Land

 

[Roudy]

Labelling Arab Muslim "Palestinians" an indigenous peoples stretches the definition of the term far past breaking point:

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference”

Source

his Land
A culture of the invading and colonizing peoples, by definition, can not be indigenous.

Well then,the Jews claim to this Land is Null and Void...Completely..Because the Jews invaded this Land and overthrough the Indigenous Canaanites that originally owned this Land

Know any Canaanites? Yup, that's what I thought.

 

[Humanity]

Labelling Arab Muslim "Palestinians" an indigenous peoples stretches the definition of the term far past breaking point:

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference”

Source

his Land
A culture of the invading and colonizing peoples, by definition, can not be indigenous.

Well then,the Jews claim to this Land is Null and Void...Completely..Because the Jews invaded this Land and overthrough the Indigenous Canaanites that originally owned this Land

Know any Canaanites? Yup, that's what I thought.

Ah yeah the ethnic cleansing of Canaanites by Jews saw to that!

The FACT that Canaanites were there and THEN Jews... Is not a debatable fact!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Labelling Arab Muslim "Palestinians" an indigenous peoples stretches the definition of the term far past breaking point:

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference”

Source

his Land
A culture of the invading and colonizing peoples, by definition, can not be indigenous.

Well then,the Jews claim to this Land is Null and Void...Completely..Because the Jews invaded this Land and overthrough the Indigenous Canaanites that originally owned this Land

Know any Canaanites? Yup, that's what I thought.

Ah yeah the ethnic cleansing of Canaanites by Jews saw to that!

The FACT that Canaanites were there and THEN Jews... Is not a debatable fact!

The FACT that Canaanite tribes became part of the Jewish Nation with the creation of Israel by King David is not a debatable fact.

That the Arabs, even those who call themselves Palestinians now, were all living in Arabia until the 7th century CE, is also not a debatable fact.

In other words, if you still do not understand it, the Jewish Nation/People is made up of all, if not most, of the Canaanite tribes of Ancient Canaan, including a tribe called Canaan.

IN OTHER WORDS, Jews are the indigenous people of the ancient land of Canaan.

 

[thetor]

Labelling Arab Muslim "Palestinians" an indigenous peoples stretches the definition of the term far past breaking point:

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference”

Source

his Land
A culture of the invading and colonizing peoples, by definition, can not be indigenous.

Well then,the Jews claim to this Land is Null and Void...Completely..Because the Jews invaded this Land and overthrough the Indigenous Canaanites that originally owned this Land

Know any Canaanites? Yup, that's what I thought.

Check your DNA Pharisee

 

[thetor]

Labelling Arab Muslim "Palestinians" an indigenous peoples stretches the definition of the term far past breaking point:

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference”

Source

his Land
A culture of the invading and colonizing peoples, by definition, can not be indigenous.

Well then,the Jews claim to this Land is Null and Void...Completely..Because the Jews invaded this Land and overthrough the Indigenous Canaanites that originally owned this Land

Know any Canaanites? Yup, that's what I thought.

Ah yeah the ethnic cleansing of Canaanites by Jews saw to that!

The FACT that Canaanites were there and THEN Jews... Is not a debatable fact!

The FACT that Canaanite tribes became part of the Jewish Nation with the creation of Israel by King David is not a debatable fact.

That the Arabs, even those who call themselves Palestinians now, were all living in Arabia until the 7th century CE, is also not a debatable fact.

In other words, if you still do not understand it, the Jewish Nation/People is made up of all, if not most, of the Canaanite tribes of Ancient Canaan, including a tribe called Canaan.

IN OTHER WORDS, Jews are the indigenous people of the ancient land of Canaan.

Your FACTS are merely opinions,!!! yours unfortunately.............. but wrong.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Labelling Arab Muslim "Palestinians" an indigenous peoples stretches the definition of the term far past breaking point:

“Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.

“This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

a) Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them;

b) Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands;

c) Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.);

d) Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language);

e) Residence on certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world;

f) Other relevant factors.

“On an individual basis, an indigenous person is one who belongs to these indigenous populations through self-identification as indigenous (group consciousness) and is recognized and accepted by these populations as one of its members (acceptance by the group).

“This preserves for these communities the sovereign right and power to decide who belongs to them, without external interference”

Source

his Land
A culture of the invading and colonizing peoples, by definition, can not be indigenous.

Well then,the Jews claim to this Land is Null and Void...Completely..Because the Jews invaded this Land and overthrough the Indigenous Canaanites that originally owned this Land

Know any Canaanites? Yup, that's what I thought.

Ah yeah the ethnic cleansing of Canaanites by Jews saw to that!

The FACT that Canaanites were there and THEN Jews... Is not a debatable fact!

The FACT that Canaanite tribes became part of the Jewish Nation with the creation of Israel by King David is not a debatable fact.

That the Arabs, even those who call themselves Palestinians now, were all living in Arabia until the 7th century CE, is also not a debatable fact.

In other words, if you still do not understand it, the Jewish Nation/People is made up of all, if not most, of the Canaanite tribes of Ancient Canaan, including a tribe called Canaan.

IN OTHER WORDS, Jews are the indigenous people of the ancient land of Canaan.

Your FACTS are merely opinions,!!! yours unfortunately.............. but wrong.

Says someone who keeps yelling "PHARISSEES " !!!! and whose facts come from.........Christian, Muslim, Arab denial of Jewish rights to the land ? And only since 1948? Is that it?

Should I be impressed by your voodoo visions attacks?

 

[thetor]

Well then,the Jews claim to this Land is Null and Void...Completely..Because the Jews invaded this Land and overthrough the Indigenous Canaanites that originally owned this Land

Know any Canaanites? Yup, that's what I thought.

Ah yeah the ethnic cleansing of Canaanites by Jews saw to that!

The FACT that Canaanites were there and THEN Jews... Is not a debatable fact!

The FACT that Canaanite tribes became part of the Jewish Nation with the creation of Israel by King David is not a debatable fact.

That the Arabs, even those who call themselves Palestinians now, were all living in Arabia until the 7th century CE, is also not a debatable fact.

In other words, if you still do not understand it, the Jewish Nation/People is made up of all, if not most, of the Canaanite tribes of Ancient Canaan, including a tribe called Canaan.

IN OTHER WORDS, Jews are the indigenous people of the ancient land of Canaan.

Your FACTS are merely opinions,!!! yours unfortunately.............. but wrong.

Says someone who keeps yelling "PHARISSEES " !!!! and whose facts come from.........Christian, Muslim, Arab denial of Jewish rights to the land ? And only since 1948? Is that it?

Should I be impressed by your voodoo visions attacks?

There is s
omething wrong with you,clearly

 

[Sixties Fan]

Know any Canaanites? Yup, that's what I thought.

Ah yeah the ethnic cleansing of Canaanites by Jews saw to that!

The FACT that Canaanites were there and THEN Jews... Is not a debatable fact!

The FACT that Canaanite tribes became part of the Jewish Nation with the creation of Israel by King David is not a debatable fact.

That the Arabs, even those who call themselves Palestinians now, were all living in Arabia until the 7th century CE, is also not a debatable fact.

In other words, if you still do not understand it, the Jewish Nation/People is made up of all, if not most, of the Canaanite tribes of Ancient Canaan, including a tribe called Canaan.

IN OTHER WORDS, Jews are the indigenous people of the ancient land of Canaan.

Your FACTS are merely opinions,!!! yours unfortunately.............. but wrong.

Says someone who keeps yelling "PHARISSEES " !!!! and whose facts come from.........Christian, Muslim, Arab denial of Jewish rights to the land ? And only since 1948? Is that it?

Should I be impressed by your voodoo visions attacks?

There is s
omething wrong with you,clearly

I will speak for the descendants of all the Canaanite tribes which ended up forming the Jewish Nation and surviving endless Greek, Greek, Roman, Greek, Muslim, Crusade, Ottoman and British invasions to their lands.

Check your eyes

And when you do meet a true Canaanite, who still calls themselves of the tribe of Canaan, or any of the other tribes in the region known in ancient times as Canaan, give us all a ring over here. Photo, name,
how many are left, where do they live, etc, etc, etc.
Where can we find them and have a good conversation about their history since 3000 years ago.

 

[Shusha]

Ah yeah the ethnic cleansing of Canaanites by Jews saw to that!

The FACT that Canaanites were there and THEN Jews... Is not a debatable fact!

Um. People here (not just you) really don't understand what being indigenous means. Being indigenous does not mean that your tribe was there "first". Or that your tribe was there before another tribe. And its not a zero sum game -- more than one people can claim indigenous status in the same territory. The fact that Canaanites were there first is true. Its also true that the Jewish culture arose and developed from the Canaanite culture. You could argue that the two cultures are distinct enough that they both qualify for indigenous status, or you could argue that they are similar enough that they are the same culture and the Jewish culture is simply the development of the Caananite culture. Doesn't really matter which.


Being indigenous refers to a culture which came into being and developed in a particular location or territory. It is a pre-invasion, pre-colonialization culture which existed in the territory prior to invasion, conquest or colonization by an outside culture (a culture which developed elsewhere). Without doubt the Jewish culture developed pre-invasion on the territory we are discussing.

If you want to make the argument that the Jewish people are invaders and not indigenous -- you would have to find evidence that the Jewish culture originated elsewhere.