The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Vegasgiants]

I am looking, your post has nothing to do with bombs

Then lets get back to it. Or leave

 

[Unkotare]

"Among the Navy brass, feelings ran strong against the bombings. Admiral Ernest King, the chief of naval operations, told his co-author that he did not like the atomic bomb “or any part of it,” and said that the air-sea blockade would have been enough to force a Japanese surrender. Several leading air commanders, including Generals Hap Arnold and Curtis LeMay, said that the atomic bombs were unnecessary because conventional bombing had already brought Japan to its knees. Remarks of this sort can be understood in the context of internal military politics and budgetary positioning. Yet it is clear that many military leaders thought the atomic bombings unjustified and even immoral. Admiral Bill Leahy, the senior most active-duty US officer of the Second World War, left a scathing passage in his memoir, charging that the United States had “adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children.”"

The Atomic Bombings by Ian W. Toll | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

Many Americans greeted the news of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima with jubilation. Beginning shortly after the war, however, a number of prominent US military leaders began to question the bomb's use.

www.nationalww2museum.org

 

[Vegasgiants]

"Among the Navy brass, feelings ran strong against the bombings. Admiral Ernest King, the chief of naval operations, told his co-author that he did not like the atomic bomb “or any part of it,” and said that the air-sea blockade would have been enough to force a Japanese surrender. Several leading air commanders, including Generals Hap Arnold and Curtis LeMay, said that the atomic bombs were unnecessary because conventional bombing had already brought Japan to its knees. Remarks of this sort can be understood in the context of internal military politics and budgetary positioning. Yet it is clear that many military leaders thought the atomic bombings unjustified and even immoral. Admiral Bill Leahy, the senior most active-duty US officer of the Second World War, left a scathing passage in his memoir, charging that the United States had “adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children.”"

The Atomic Bombings by Ian W. Toll | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

Many Americans greeted the news of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima with jubilation. Beginning shortly after the war, however, a number of prominent US military leaders began to question the bomb's use.

www.nationalww2museum.org

Yeah king is another one who came out against the bombs


I forgot about hin

 

[Open Bolt]

"Among the Navy brass, feelings ran strong against the bombings. Admiral Ernest King, the chief of naval operations, told his co-author that he did not like the atomic bomb “or any part of it,” and said that the air-sea blockade would have been enough to force a Japanese surrender. Several leading air commanders, including Generals Hap Arnold and Curtis LeMay, said that the atomic bombs were unnecessary because conventional bombing had already brought Japan to its knees. Remarks of this sort can be understood in the context of internal military politics and budgetary positioning. Yet it is clear that many military leaders thought the atomic bombings unjustified and even immoral. Admiral Bill Leahy, the senior most active-duty US officer of the Second World War, left a scathing passage in his memoir, charging that the United States had “adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children.”"

Eisenhower and Leahy must have been the most tedious whiners in human history.

I'm surprised that people didn't slap them when they started sniveling.

 

[Open Bolt]

"The Second General Army was established on April 8, 1945 with the dissolution of the General Defense Command into the First and Second General Army. It was essentially a home guard and garrison, responsible for civil defense, anti-aircraft defenses, and for organizing guerilla warfare cells in anticipation of the projected Allied invasion of the Japanese home islands in Operation Downfall. Although its territory encompassed all of western Japan, its primary mission was to ensure the security of southern Kyūshū, which was regarded as the most probable target for invasion. Its forces consisted mostly of poorly trained reservists, conscripted students and home guard militia."

"After the fall of Okinawa, the command of the Second General Army was relocated to Hiroshima. When the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, most of the military units, logistical arms, and command staff of the Second General Army were killed. Together with the Fifth Division, Fifty-Ninth Army, and other combat divisions in the city who were also hit, an estimated 20,000 Japanese combatants were killed."

"Survivors regrouped at Ujina Air Base at the outskirts of Hiroshima, where they organized relief efforts and maintained public order in Hiroshima once martial law was proclaimed. However, the atomic bombing ended the Second General Army as an effective military organization for Imperial Japanese Army units in western Japan."

Second General Army (Japan) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Unkotare]

"Many historians have argued that the atomic bombing of Japan at the end of World War II was not necessary and unjustified. There have been several key reasons developed to support this position, such as:

• It was inhumane.
• It caused too much destruction.
• It killed too many innocent people, including children.
• It was unnecessary as Japan was essentially defeated.
• Japan was seeking surrender.
• It was not universally supported in the United States.
• The United States could have done something else.
• The United States should have waited longer between the two bombs.
• It was used more to scare the Soviet Union than to defeat Japan.
• It led to the modern atomic age and the threat of nuclear warfare."

Reasons Against the Atomic Bombing of Japan

Reasons Against the Atomic Bombing of Japan - The atomic bombing of Japan at the end of World War II by the United States is one of the most debated and controversial topics in all of history. Since the bombing in 1945, historians have debated whether or

www.historycrunch.com

 

[Unkotare]

"On September 39, 1938, the League of Nations, “under the recognized principles of international law,” issued a unanimous resolution outlawing the intentional bombing of civilian populations, with special emphasis against bombing military objectives from the air. The League warned, “Any attack on legitimate military objectives must be carried out in such a way that civilian populations in the neighborhood are not bombed through negligence.” Significantly, the resolution also reaffirmed that “the use of chemical or bacterial methods in the conduct of war is contrary to international law.” In other words, a special category of illegal weapons had been recognized, a category today called Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)."

Reasons Against Dropping the Atomic Bomb

Critics argument many reasons against dropping the atomic bomb, pointing to international law, the impending surrender of Japan, and other reasons

www.historyonthenet.com

 

[Unkotare]

"Walter Trohan, a reporter for the Chicago Tribune with impeccable credentials for integrity and accuracy, reported that two days before President Roosevelt left for the Yalta conference with Churchill and Stalin in early February 1945, he was shown a forty-page memorandum drafted by General MacArthur outlining a Japanese offer for surrender almost identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, President Truman. The single difference was the Japanese insistence on retention of the emperor, which was not acceptable to the American strategists at the time, though it was ultimately allowed in the final peace terms. Trohan relates that he was given a copy of this communication by Admiral Leahy who swore him to secrecy with the pledge not to release the story until the war was over. Trohan honored his pledge and reported his story in the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald on August 19, 1945. According to historian Anthony Kubek, Roosevelt, in the presence of witnesses, read the memorandum and dismissed it with a curt "MacArthur is our greatest general and our poorest politician."

The Bomb Was Not Necessary

With the sixty-fifth anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb almost upon us, there is undoubtedly going to be a flood of commentary on the wisdom of its use by the United States during World War II. The justified scolding of Charles Pellegrino and his The Last Train From Hiroshima...

hnn.us

 

[Unkotare]

"Hiroshima was chosen as the primary target since it had remained largely untouched by bombing raids, and the bomb's effects could be clearly measured. While President Truman had hoped for a purely military target, some advisers believed that bombing an urban area might break the fighting will of the Japanese people. "

Why Hiroshima?

The Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima.

www.atomicarchive.com

 

[Unkotare]

Hiroshima - the truth about the bombing - CND

Written by Kate Hudson The city of Hiroshima stands on a flat river delta on the Japanese island of Honshu. At quarter past eight on the morning of 6 August 1945, the US plane Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb on the city centre, a busy residential and business district, crowded with people going...

cnduk.org

 

[Unkotare]

The Bureaucrats Who Singled Out Hiroshima for Destruction

How committee meetings, memos, and largely arbitrary decisions ushered in the nuclear age

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Turtlesoup]

"Many historians have argued that the atomic bombing of Japan at the end of World War II was not necessary and unjustified. There have been several key reasons developed to support this position, such as:

• It was inhumane.
• It caused too much destruction.
• It killed too many innocent people, including children.
• It was unnecessary as Japan was essentially defeated.
• Japan was seeking surrender.
• It was not universally supported in the United States.
• The United States could have done something else.
• The United States should have waited longer between the two bombs.
• It was used more to scare the Soviet Union than to defeat Japan.
• It led to the modern atomic age and the threat of nuclear warfare."

Reasons Against the Atomic Bombing of Japan

Reasons Against the Atomic Bombing of Japan - The atomic bombing of Japan at the end of World War II by the United States is one of the most debated and controversial topics in all of history. Since the bombing in 1945, historians have debated whether or

www.historycrunch.com

They are idiots then.
It was far more humane to end the war quickly for both sides. If the bombs weren't dropped, far more people both in the US military and of the Japanese military and civilian populations would been killed and starved in a protracted war.

The bombs did not cause too much destruction--what a retarded claim. They destroy two military targets and the surrounding area ending the war---war is destructive by nature ending it with these two cities probably saved hundreds of cities and villages if a protracted conventional war was continued.

Japan refused to completely surrender, they were by defination then not defeated. Since when in the US do you get everyone to agree to anything. The bombs were supported by most though----------the idiots you are trying to cite are morons.

The US could not have done something else--the other option was a protracted conventional war which would have caused the death of millions. AGain the idiots you are trying to cite are beyond stupid.

Once the bombs were made----the cat was out of the bag about the atomic bombs---with or without Japan being bombed. I sure hope that the bombs scared Russia into not harming others---how idiotic to think it is a bad thing that the bombs scared Russia into not starting a war. I mean comeon---

 

[Turtlesoup]

Hiroshima - the truth about the bombing - CND

Written by Kate Hudson The city of Hiroshima stands on a flat river delta on the Japanese island of Honshu. At quarter past eight on the morning of 6 August 1945, the US plane Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb on the city centre, a busy residential and business district, crowded with people going...

cnduk.org

ANOTHER idiotic article---as has been explained to you many times, Japan was not ready to surrender completely. They wanted to save face to fight another day---dropping the bombs ended their attacks on others.

 

[Open Bolt]

ANOTHER idiotic article---as has been explained to you many times, Japan was not ready to surrender completely. They wanted to save face to fight another day---dropping the bombs ended their attacks on others.

Before the atomic bombs, Japan was not willing to surrender at all actually.

 

[Unkotare]

Aug 14, 1965, page 1 - Chicago Tribune at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Chicago Tribune dated Aug 14, 1965, page 1.

www.newspapers.com

 

[Open Bolt]

"Many historians have argued that the atomic bombing of Japan at the end of World War II was not necessary and unjustified."

The atomic bombings were entirely justified. Japan was refusing to surrender and we had every right to attack vital military targets.

"There have been several key reasons developed to support this position, such as:

• It was inhumane.
• It caused too much destruction.
• It killed too many innocent people, including children."

Not valid reasons.

• "It was unnecessary as Japan was essentially defeated.
• Japan was seeking surrender."

Fake news. Japan was refusing to surrender.

• "It was not universally supported in the United States.
• The United States could have done something else."

LOL! That's no reason not to bomb military targets in an enemy nation that is refusing to surrender.

• "The United States should have waited longer between the two bombs."

We waited too long between the atomic bombs actually.

We should have nuked a target a day. One after another.

Hiroshima, Kokura Arsenal, Niigata, Nagasaki.

And then Yokohama (which should have been spared conventional bombing so it could be an atomic target too).

• "It was used more to scare the Soviet Union than to defeat Japan."

Fake news. The atomic bombs were used with the goal of making Japan surrender (which they were then refusing to do).

• "It led to the modern atomic age and the threat of nuclear warfare."

That's a good thing.

"On September 39, 1938, the League of Nations, “under the recognized principles of international law,” issued a unanimous resolution outlawing the intentional bombing of civilian populations, with special emphasis against bombing military objectives from the air. The League warned, “Any attack on legitimate military objectives must be carried out in such a way that civilian populations in the neighborhood are not bombed through negligence.” Significantly, the resolution also reaffirmed that “the use of chemical or bacterial methods in the conduct of war is contrary to international law.” In other words, a special category of illegal weapons had been recognized, a category today called Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)."

They did not have the power to outlaw bombing military objectives from the air.

As far as the illegality of targeting civilians goes, that is why we dropped the atomic bombs on vital military targets.

"Walter Trohan, a reporter for the Chicago Tribune with impeccable credentials for integrity and accuracy, reported that two days before President Roosevelt left for the Yalta conference with Churchill and Stalin in early February 1945, he was shown a forty-page memorandum drafted by General MacArthur outlining a Japanese offer for surrender almost identical with the terms subsequently concluded by his successor, President Truman. The single difference was the Japanese insistence on retention of the emperor, which was not acceptable to the American strategists at the time, though it was ultimately allowed in the final peace terms. Trohan relates that he was given a copy of this communication by Admiral Leahy who swore him to secrecy with the pledge not to release the story until the war was over. Trohan honored his pledge and reported his story in the Chicago Tribune and the Washington Times-Herald on August 19, 1945. According to historian Anthony Kubek, Roosevelt, in the presence of witnesses, read the memorandum and dismissed it with a curt "MacArthur is our greatest general and our poorest politician."

Fake news. Never happened.

"Hiroshima was chosen as the primary target since it had remained largely untouched by bombing raids, and the bomb's effects could be clearly measured. While President Truman had hoped for a purely military target, some advisers believed that bombing an urban area might break the fighting will of the Japanese people."

Do I smell a whiff of Gar Alperovitz lies?

Hiroshima was selected as an atomic target early in the bombing campaign when only a handful of cities had been bombed. Thereafter it was off limits to conventional attack.

It is hard to think of a target as purely military as Hiroshima was.

Hiroshima - the truth about the bombing - CND

Written by Kate Hudson The city of Hiroshima stands on a flat river delta on the Japanese island of Honshu. At quarter past eight on the morning of 6 August 1945, the US plane Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb on the city centre, a busy residential and business district, crowded with people going...

cnduk.org

Fake news. That article is filled with many outright lies.

The Bureaucrats Who Singled Out Hiroshima for Destruction

How committee meetings, memos, and largely arbitrary decisions ushered in the nuclear age

www.theatlantic.com

There are a number of things that I like about that article, but it does contain a few falsehoods.

Aug 14, 1965, page 1 - Chicago Tribune at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Chicago Tribune dated Aug 14, 1965, page 1.

www.newspapers.com

Fake news. Never happened.

 

[Unkotare]

Aug 14, 1965, page 1 - Chicago Tribune at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Chicago Tribune dated Aug 14, 1965, page 1.

www.newspapers.com

^^^

 

[Unkotare]

Hiroshima - the truth about the bombing - CND

Written by Kate Hudson The city of Hiroshima stands on a flat river delta on the Japanese island of Honshu. At quarter past eight on the morning of 6 August 1945, the US plane Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb on the city centre, a busy residential and business district, crowded with people going...

cnduk.org

^^^

 

[Unkotare]

The Bureaucrats Who Singled Out Hiroshima for Destruction

How committee meetings, memos, and largely arbitrary decisions ushered in the nuclear age

www.theatlantic.com

^^^

 

[Open Bolt]

Aug 14, 1965, page 1 - Chicago Tribune at Newspapers.com - Newspapers.com

View the digital scanned newspaper from Chicago Tribune dated Aug 14, 1965, page 1.

www.newspapers.com

Fake news. Never happened.

Hiroshima - the truth about the bombing - CND

Written by Kate Hudson The city of Hiroshima stands on a flat river delta on the Japanese island of Honshu. At quarter past eight on the morning of 6 August 1945, the US plane Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb on the city centre, a busy residential and business district, crowded with people going...

cnduk.org

Fake news. This article is filled with many outright lies.

The Bureaucrats Who Singled Out Hiroshima for Destruction

How committee meetings, memos, and largely arbitrary decisions ushered in the nuclear age

www.theatlantic.com

There are a number of things that I like about this article (it clearly states Nagasaki's role in constructing large warships), but it does contain a few falsehoods.