The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[P F Tinmore]

You do know that it is true. It was to be the State for the Jewish People. It says so on the Mandate, just as I posted it. Deny all you like. On their ancient homeland. All 100% of it, until the British decided otherwise.
Something they would never had done had the Mandate been promised to Muslims, as the other 3 Mandates were.

The Kurds did not get their State.
The Assyrians did not become the government of Syria.

You do know that it is true. It was to be the State for the Jewish People.

Who said?

Link?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Who said?

Link?

LOL, now you are playing at not having read the Mandate for Palestine.

Too funny.

 

[P F Tinmore]

LOL, now you are playing at not having read the Mandate for Palestine.

Too funny.

I have.

 

[P F Tinmore]

LOL, now you are playing at not having read the Mandate for Palestine.

Too funny.

Here it is. Quote the passage.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

 

[Sixties Fan]

Here it is. Quote the passage.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

I quoted the articles in the previous page.

Go read it. Pay attention to the words in Bold.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I quoted the articles in the previous page.

Go read it. Pay attention to the words in Bold.

Do you mean the part that did not say Jewish state?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Do you mean the part that did not say Jewish state?

Where did it say that it was going to be a national home or even the word state sovereign to any other people there at the time, other than the Jewish People?

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Here is another reason why the Jews needed to rebuild their Nation on their homeland. One anti Jewish lie turns eventually into more lies about Jews, which lead to attacks on Jews anywhere and everywhere ]


The New Arab, which is considered one of the saner Arab publication, starts off a Sunday article with this:

The Jewish Rabbi Rijkorner said at a secret meeting held by the Jews in Prague, in 1869: “If gold is the primary force, then the press is the secondary force, but the second does not work without the first, and we must, by means of gold, seize the press, and when we seize them, we strive to destroy family life, morals, religion and virtue."

In extreme antisemitic circles, there is a story circulating of a Rabbi Reichorn who supposedly made a speech describing hw the Jews will take over the world - decades before the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The New Arab article is based on that lie.


This wholly fictional speech was published in 1921 in antisemitic French magazine La Vieille France It claimed to have copied this speech from the book La Russie Juive.

Here are the supposed Protocols of 1869:

1. Every hundred years, We, the Sages of Israel, have been accustomed to meet in Sanhedrin in order to examine our progress towards the domination of the world which Jehovah has promised us, and our conquests over the enemy, Christianity.

2. This year, united over the tomb of our reverend Simeon ben-Ihuda, we can state with pride that the past century has brought us very near to our goal, and that this goal will be very soon attained.

3. Gold always has been and always will be the irresistible power. Handled by expert hands it will always be the most useful lever for those who possess it, and the object of envy for those who do not. With gold we can buy the most rebellious consciences, can fix the rate of all values, the current prices of all products, can subsidize all State loans, and thereafter hold the states at our mercy.

The text is actually derived from a chapter of an 1868 novel by Hermann Goedsche called "Biarritz." After he died, antisemites turned the fictional chapter into a leaflet purported to be true.

The chapter includes an entire scene of representatives of the Twelve Tribes each meeting in a cemetery in Prague and each reciting a protocol. The New Arab version quotes from this novel, not from the "protocols" listed above. There seem to have been some major changes between the novel and the 19 protocols listed above.

And mainstream Arab media still embraces this antisemitic libel.

Strangely, this French text published during the Nazi era in France is in an online Museums of Paris collection today, without mentioning its antisemitic nature.


(full article online)

The Proto-Protocols of Jewish Domination, 1868

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[Hollie]

It is right under Israel's fat ass.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[Sixties Fan]

There were two postwar American foreign policy decisions that directly affected Jewish interests, the Johnson-Reed Act that drastically cut Jewish immigration and the Lodge-Fish Resolution in support of the Balfour Declaration. The majority of American Jews opposed both. A vocal Zionist minority was strongly in support of Lodge-Fish, and many other American Jews viewed any increase in Jewish settlement in Palestine as a good thing without embracing the political ambitions of the Zionist movement. But on the whole, right up through World War II, the American Jewish community would have gladly traded Lodge-Fish away in order to repeal Johnson-Reed. Both laws, however, remained on the books, and they would shape American policy toward the Zionist movement and the Jewish people for many years.

Of the two laws, Johnson-Reed, which American Jews overwhelmingly opposed, had more impact on events on the ground in Palestine. Without Johnson-Reed’s immigration cap and strict quota system, fewer Polish and German Jews would have been trapped in Europe for Hitler to kill, a thought that must always strike the American conscience with a pang, but many fewer would also have made their way to the swamps and deserts of Palestine. Whether the struggling population of idealistic Zionists could have established their state if the Jewish masses had been free to choose between Palestine and America can never be known. The prewar percentages, however, with only 2 to 3 percent of Jewish emigrants choosing Palestine, strongly suggest that without the restrictive American immigration legislation the Jewish population in Palestine might never have reached numbers large enough to build and maintain an independent state.

This, at least, deserves to be remembered: If “the Jews” ran America, immigration would not have been restricted and Israel would likely not exist. This is part of a more general truth: Zionism only succeeded among Jews as it became clear that the options that most Jews initially preferred—integration into the countries where they lived or, failing that, free immigration into more hospitable places—had failed.



(full article online)

The American Zionist Dream

How William Blackstone, Henry Cabot Lodge, and their fellow Christians saw a Jewish state as deeply American

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[Sixties Fan]

(full article online)

Remembering the Road of Heroism on Jerusalem Day

In the fourteen-day-old State of Israel, the future of the New City of western Jerusalem hung in the balance. It was a week since vital supplies had arrived. One road supplied the people of Jerusalem when they faced a dire situation.

www.israelunwired.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Western Wall is seen on this stereoscopic card with a picture (actually two pictures—you’re not seeing double) capturing how “the outer wall of Solomon’s Temple” appeared in Jerusalem in 1896. Produced by Underwood & Underwood, the largest publisher of stereoviews in the world—with an office in Toronto—it was designed to be placed in a viewing device called a stereoscope and appear as a three-dimensional image. The card’s reverse quotes Psalm 79 in English, French, German, Spanish, Norwegian and Russian: “How Long, Lord? Wilt Thou Be Angry Forever?” There are several hundred of these cards of Palestine, which enabled people to see the Holy Land at a time when a trip to the region was costly and difficult. Find more from David Matlow at herzlcollection.com

Treasure Trove: A weekly piece of our history from the collection of David Matlow—second year archive (2022-23) - The Canadian Jewish News

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[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

A postcard from the first Maccabiah, 1932.

The 2022 Maccabiah Games, a.k.a. the 21st Maccabiah Games, are scheduled to start on July 12 and continue through July 26, in Israel. The Maccabiah Games are open to Jewish athletes from around the world, and to all Israeli citizens regardless of their religion (bet you didn’t know that – DI). 10,000 athletes from 80 countries are expected to compete in 42 sports categories.

The 3rd Maccabiah games in Ramat Gan, 1950. / Courtesy of KKL-JNF

In celebration of the 2022 Maccabiah, KKL-JNF released historical photos from the first years of the Jewish Olympic tournaments, among them a unique photo from the first Maccabiah in 1932.

Jewish athletes at the Maccabiah games. / Courtesy of KKL-JNF

(full article online)

KKL-JNF Releases Old Maccabiah Images to Celebrate the 2022 Games

The Maccabiah Games were proposed by Yosef Yekutieli in 1929 at the Maccabi World Congress.

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[Sixties Fan]

In April 1921, British High Commissioner of Palestine Herbert Samuel met with Amin al-Husseini who assured him that he was supportive of British rule and would work hard to keep things peaceful. Samuel said:

I saw Haj Amin Husseini on Friday [April 8] and discussed with him at considerable length the political situation and the question of his appointment to the office of grand Mufti. Mr. Storrs was also present, and in the course of conversation, he declared his earnest desire to cooperate with the government and his belief in the good intentions of the British Government towards the Arabs. He (e.g. Haj Amin al-Husseini) gave assurance that the influence of his family and himself would be devoted to maintaining tranquility in Jerusalem and he felt sure that no disturbances need be feared this year. He said that the riots of last year were spontaneous and unpremeditated. If the government took reasonable precautions, he felt sure they would not be repeated.

He was referring to the 1920 Nebi Musa riots which killed 5 Jews - and which Husseini had himself provoked.

Nevertheless, Samuel accepted Husseini's assurances and supported his appointment to the position of Mufti of Jerusalem.

Here is an account of the new Mufti's appearance at the Nebi Musa festival procession only two days later, on Easter Sunday, April 10:

Although we were less than a mile away from the place where the procession first came into sight several hours elapsed before they passed the place where we stood. The procession of which the mufti of Jerusalem, who had but recently been inducted into office, and other Moslem dignitaries made up the rear, moved so slowly because dozens of circles composed of dervishes moved forward ahead of the mufti only as the dancing circle advanced. Terrible fanaticism was discernible in their distorted faces as they danced. In the characteristically Oriental rhythmic song, or call, repeated in chorus after their leader, they called out sentences that they were interpreted to me as follows: "This place has been conquered by the sword. Jerusalem is the city of Allah. Our banner enters into it. Get out, you dogs, you Jews, you Zionists. Our banner enters Medina. We will draw the sword against any one that opposes us."

While they spoke these threatening words a dervish who as lifted on the shoulders of others frantically brandished two swords over his head. Last year a number of Jews were killed at this festival. (The Evening Kansan-Republican, July 5, 1921)

Samuel's quote above was made on the following day. It is unclear if he was aware of the blatant incitement that the Mufti was provoking.

What is clear is that this appointment resulted in the deaths of thousands of Jews at the hands of the Mufti's own people as well as his followers during the 101 years since. The Jew-hating Mufti is still considered an "icon" of Palestinian history and is universally venerated by all Palestinians.

The Mufti of Jerusalem threatened to murder Jews within 48 hours of promising the British he was peaceful

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[P F Tinmore]

In April 1921, British High Commissioner of Palestine Herbert Samuel met with Amin al-Husseini who assured him that he was supportive of British rule and would work hard to keep things peaceful. Samuel said:




He was referring to the 1920 Nebi Musa riots which killed 5 Jews - and which Husseini had himself provoked.

Nevertheless, Samuel accepted Husseini's assurances and supported his appointment to the position of Mufti of Jerusalem.

Here is an account of the new Mufti's appearance at the Nebi Musa festival procession only two days later, on Easter Sunday, April 10:


Samuel's quote above was made on the following day. It is unclear if he was aware of the blatant incitement that the Mufti was provoking.

What is clear is that this appointment resulted in the deaths of thousands of Jews at the hands of the Mufti's own people as well as his followers during the 101 years since. The Jew-hating Mufti is still considered an "icon" of Palestinian history and is universally venerated by all Palestinians.

The Mufti of Jerusalem threatened to murder Jews within 48 hours of promising the British he was peaceful

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The Jew-hating Mufti is still considered an "icon" of Palestinian history and is universally venerated by all Palestinians.

Israel is the only one who mentions him.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Part 1

Will Israel act to reclaim its sovereign legal rights after a century of British corruption over their maladministration of the Mandate for Palestine?

This is a subject that irks me a great deal because collectively, we Jews, do not seem to have what it takes to hold tight to our sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Subverted Mandate For Palestine​

After World War I, Great Britain received the power to be the holder, mind you a shameful one, of the Mandate for Palestine in the Land of Israel.

In order to understand the injustice that was done, we must remind ourselves and remember how that country treated Israel then and its current claim to Jerusalem today.

Britain’s Perfidy​

Pursuing Great Britain receiving the Mandatary role for the Land of Israel, its first perfidy was to cease to apply the Mandate’s provisions to all of the mandate’s originally assigned territory. Those provisions had to do with “facilitating Jewish immigration”and “encouraging close settlement by Jews on the land.” However, those in control in Britain decided that these provisions would not apply to any of the Mandate’s territory east of the Jordan River.

That territory, today known as Jordan (then named Transjordan), constituted 78% of the area that was intended to be part of a future Jewish National Home, the state of Israel, and was closed off by Britain to Jews. In place of having Jews settle in their land, that territory was perfidiously stolen by Britain to become the Hashemite Tribe’s Emirate of Transjordan, created by the British to satisfy the Hashemite Emir Abdullah’s territorial ambitions.

Abdullah, like his brother Feisal, whom the British had put on the Iraqi throne, wanted a place to rule. Subsequently, Britain deprived the Jewish-Zionists of land they had been led to believe would be included in the Mandate for Palestine. The British had gifted the Arabian Hashemite family, belonging to the Dhawu Awn, one of the branches of the Hasanid Sharif of Mecca, with what was addressed then as “Transjordan.”

A centenary of the Mandate for Palestine's land rights - whose land rights?

The British perfidy everyone shies away from: 100 years of lies, deceit and untruth added to its corrupt Mandate maladministration.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Part 2

The real land mass of Israel – British mandate Palestine map Wikipedia

The local Arabs, who later named themselves “Palestinians,” anti-Semites and one-sided critics of Israel have little interest, if at all, in historical facts and nothing can penetrate their veil of elected ignorance. The only hope to change minds is to teach Arab students whose minds have not yet been tainted and poisoned by propaganda.

A good place to start with that is to end the propagated myth about the Jews stealing “Palestinian”land. The region’s history must be taught correctly. The real thieves of that land are the Hashemites of Jordan assisted by Britain as early as 1921.

The Hashemites had no connection to the land until the 1936-39 Arab revolt, and then imperial Britain imposed Abdullah on the residents.

The British Despised The Idea That Jews Could Defend Themselves​

In April 1920 local Arabs attacked the Jewish quarter in Jerusalem. In response, Vladimir Jabotinsky, the Zionist leader, organized Jewish self-defense units. Instead of the British arresting the violent Arabs, they arrested Jabotinsky, who they interned in Acre Prison after they accused him of illegally training and arming Jews and using British military forces – former members of the Jewish Legion, no longer part of the British army, who fought in WWI as part of the British army against the Ottoman forces – without their permission.

Of course, the British charge was unjust, but Jews defending themselves was not part of the Brits’ lexicon.

For his belief that Jews must and can defend themselves, rather than always being the victims of all types of attacks, Jabotinsky received a long prison sentence. International outcry led to his early release from prison after three months of incarceration. However, this incident made it clear about the British in Palestine; they had very little affinity and sympathy for the Jews in Eretz Yisrael.

Other evidence shows that in 1929, save to evacuate a handful of Jews, when Jews were being bestially massacred by Arabs in Hebron, the British did nothing to protect them.

The same was true during the Arabs’ 1936-1939 revolt; the British did little, if anything, to help the Jews defend themselves.

Teaching the Jews How to Fight Back​

British Captain Orde Wingate, killed in a plane crash in Burma on March 24, 1944, has been called the father of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and a hero during the British Mandate in Palestine-Eretz Yisrael.

Wingate, a son of Christian missionaries who carried a Bible wherever he went and trumpeted Jewish claims to the land just as British Mandatory policy turned anti-Zionist, arrived in September 1936. He was assigned with ending the Arabs’ sabotage of an oil pipeline running from Iraq to Haifa through the Jezreel Valley. He also trained Jewish fighters to repel Arab attacks during the Arab Revolt, the nationalist uprising by the Arabs against the British Mandate.

Captain Wingate took it upon himself to teach the Jews to take the fight to the Arabs; he organized “Night Squads” that soon had the Arabs on the run. He was forced to leave the area in 1938 because his Zionism and Jews fighting back had made him unpopular with many of the British officers.

A centenary of the Mandate for Palestine's land rights - whose land rights?

The British perfidy everyone shies away from: 100 years of lies, deceit and untruth added to its corrupt Mandate maladministration.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Part 3

The White Paper​

The White Paper, passed in London in 1939, was another British betrayal of Jews. The decree limited Jewish immigration to the Mandate of Palestine to 15,000 for each of the next five years, after which any Jewish immigration would be subject to an Arab veto. The British put the anti-Semitic Arabs in charge of the number of Jews arriving in the Jewish homeland.

This immigration limitation denied Jews who sought to escape the murderous Nazi acts, to save their lives. That action puts the British in the same category with the Nazis, having the blood of untold number of Jews on their hands.

The facts: During the time of maximum peril for European Jews, instead of facilitating immigration, as they were obligated to do according to the Mandate’s provisions, the British chose to carry out anti-Semitic favor with the Arabs, implementing cruel limitations on Jewish immigration.

At a time when hundreds of thousands of European Jews could have been saved, the British prevented desperate Jewish refugees from reaching Eretz Yisrael’s shores. Even after World War II ended, the British, still ruling mandatory Palestine, continued to prevent ships full of Jewish refugees, who had survived the Nazi concentration camps, the Holocaust, from landing in British Mandate-Palestine.

(full article online)

A centenary of the Mandate for Palestine's land rights - whose land rights?

The British perfidy everyone shies away from: 100 years of lies, deceit and untruth added to its corrupt Mandate maladministration.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

In the early 1930s, the antisemitic Mufti of Jerusalem convened a series of meetings where Arab sheikhs pledged not to sell their land to Jews - a policy that continues today with the Palestinian Authority.

November 21,1934 Palestine Post:



January 1, 1935 Palestine Post:



But as this was happening, landowners in Transjordan compared their poverty with the prosperity in neighboring Palestine, and concluded that Jewish investments was what Transjordan needed.

JTA reported on January 18, 1933:

The Hebrew paper “Davar” discloses today that Transjordanian tribe heads have for some time been approaching the Jewish Agency with offers for the sale of land. The miserable situation of Transjordania as compared with the prosperity in Palestine convinces them that the salvation of Transjordania can come only through the Jews, the tribe leaders are reported to have said. These same leaders have urged Emir Abdullah to encourage the Jews to settle in Transjordan, the paper writes.

From JTA, February 6, 1933:

Permission to sell Transjordan land to foreigners is requested in a petition signed by twenty-one of the most influential Transjordan tribal leaders and members of the Legislative Assembly, which has been submitted to the Palestine Government and Emir Abdullah.

The petition emphasizes that the precarious condition of the country calls for such action.

The petition, which was drawn up following a meeting of Arab chieftains, in Amman, adds a new chapter to the Transjordan matter which was apparently closed on January 25th when Emir Abdullah announced the cancellation of an option he had granted to a Jewish company for the lease of 70,000 dunams of his personal domain in Transjordan.

The Arab chieftains at their meeting in Amman discussed Emir Abdullah’s communique announcing the cancellation of the lease to Jews. The majority of those present, however, found that the sale of land to Jews is the only solution for the present acute situation.

Seventy percent of the cattle owned by the Arabs in Transjordan have perished from starvation, it was stated.

Transjordan and Palestine had similar climates, similar resources, and the Arabs were from similar tribes. The only reason Palestine was thriving and Transjordan was failing was because of Jewish energy and investments. This was obvious to everyone at the time, including Arabs.

As the Mufti forbade selling land to Jews, Transjordanian sheikhs WANTED Jews to buy their land

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