The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Rigby5]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict | Britannica

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

www.britannica.com

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.

(PDF) Consequences of the Ottoman Land Law: Agrarian and Privatization Processes in Palestine, 1858–1918

PDF | The Land Law and other processes in nineteenth century Palestine brought about the beginning of land survey and land settlement , land... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.

LOL!

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists

I saw your silliness the first time.
So over 6 million Jews now live in those houses. SOUNDS CROWDED moron

Wrong again, so consistently ignorant.
The Palestinians were almost completely rural farmers, and the Zionist had no history of farming, and lived in urban dwellings on the stolen land.

The homes the Jews stole weren't homes, they were farms?

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

Was your account hacked by someone even dumber than you are?

Not only was I offered a free home in Israel, but almost every Jew I know was also.
That is trillions in real estate that you know Israelis never paid for, since they just illegally confiscated Arab land and homes.

 

[Hollie]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict | Britannica

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

www.britannica.com

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arab owners in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes, the goal of the Jews in the 1948 war was the invasion of the West Bank,

So when the Jews lost, they ended up with more land than they started with.

Just like Germany in WWI and WWII, right?

the Zionists were totally defeated and had to fall back on the UN partition instead.

But they didn't. You should post all 3 maps.....just to prove your claim.

Consistently wrong.
After the 1948 war, Israel ended up with the exact same amount of land as before, the UN partition.

With the 3 maps, the first map was both before and after the 1948 war.

The other maps represent the advances by Israel in the 1980s and then very recent thefts of the West Banks for the construction of the illegal wall in the West Bank.

After the 1948 war, Israel ended up with the exact same amount of land as before, the UN partition.

Show me.

Post the partition map and the after war map.

Here is the pre-1948 war UN partition.

Here is the map after the 1948 war was over, and then the changes in 1967.

Obviously Israel lost the 1948 war because they fighting was almost all around Jerusalem, and Israel achieved nothing.

 

[Hollie]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict | Britannica

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

www.britannica.com

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.

(PDF) Consequences of the Ottoman Land Law: Agrarian and Privatization Processes in Palestine, 1858–1918

PDF | The Land Law and other processes in nineteenth century Palestine brought about the beginning of land survey and land settlement , land... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.

LOL!

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists

I saw your silliness the first time.
So over 6 million Jews now live in those houses. SOUNDS CROWDED moron

Wrong again, so consistently ignorant.
The Palestinians were almost completely rural farmers, and the Zionist had no history of farming, and lived in urban dwellings on the stolen land.

The homes the Jews stole weren't homes, they were farms?

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

Was your account hacked by someone even dumber than you are?

Not only was I offered a free home in Israel, but almost every Jew I know was also.
That is trillions in real estate that you know Israelis never paid for, since they just illegally confiscated Arab land and homes.

You just make up nonsense as you go along, right?

 

[Hollie]

Yes, the goal of the Jews in the 1948 war was the invasion of the West Bank,

So when the Jews lost, they ended up with more land than they started with.

Just like Germany in WWI and WWII, right?

the Zionists were totally defeated and had to fall back on the UN partition instead.

But they didn't. You should post all 3 maps.....just to prove your claim.

Consistently wrong.
After the 1948 war, Israel ended up with the exact same amount of land as before, the UN partition.

With the 3 maps, the first map was both before and after the 1948 war.

The other maps represent the advances by Israel in the 1980s and then very recent thefts of the West Banks for the construction of the illegal wall in the West Bank.

After the 1948 war, Israel ended up with the exact same amount of land as before, the UN partition.

Show me.

Post the partition map and the after war map.

Here is the pre-1948 war UN partition.

Here is the map after the 1948 war was over, and then the changes in 1967.

Obviously Israel lost the 1948 war because they fighting was almost all around Jerusalem, and Israel achieved nothing.

Funny cartoons. You were playing with Sharpee markers?

 

[Rigby5]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict | Britannica

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

www.britannica.com

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

Wrong.
There are no Ottoman records indicating the land was not owned by individual Palestinian families, and had been even way before the Ottoman invasion.
Invaders like the Ottoman Turks own sovereignty, but never own any plots of land.

Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?
It simply never happened, and those who sent money to these supposed land lords were ripped off.
Its like sending money to Nigerian princes on the internet these days.
The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years.

 

[Hollie]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict | Britannica

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

www.britannica.com

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

Wrong.
There are no Ottoman records indicating the land was not owned by individual Palestinian families, and had been even way before the Ottoman invasion.
Invaders like the Ottoman Turks own sovereignty, but never own any plots of land.

Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?
It simply never happened, and those who sent money to these supposed land lords were ripped off.
Its like sending money to Nigerian princes on the internet these days.
The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years.

Ah, I see. So the Turks didn't have the Ottoman lands they turned over to the Pallys. It was all a conspiracy?

What other conspiracy theories are your favorites?

 

[Hollie]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

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Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

Wrong.
There are no Ottoman records indicating the land was not owned by individual Palestinian families, and had been even way before the Ottoman invasion.
Invaders like the Ottoman Turks own sovereignty, but never own any plots of land.

Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?
It simply never happened, and those who sent money to these supposed land lords were ripped off.
Its like sending money to Nigerian princes on the internet these days.
The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years.

"The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years."

What deeds?

 

[Hollie]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

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Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

Wrong.
There are no Ottoman records indicating the land was not owned by individual Palestinian families, and had been even way before the Ottoman invasion.
Invaders like the Ottoman Turks own sovereignty, but never own any plots of land.

Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?
It simply never happened, and those who sent money to these supposed land lords were ripped off.
Its like sending money to Nigerian princes on the internet these days.
The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years.

"Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?''

Good gawd, man.

 

[Rigby5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

Where does it say that Israel won that war?

In the beginning where it says Result: Israeli victory. It also says Palestinian Arab defeat..

let me guess, you’re going to twist the word ‘victory’ and claim it doesn’t mean ‘to win’... right Tinmore ?

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Wow, that was an act of desperation Tinmore. Really??

How about this:

“Another factor that contributed to the 1948 defeat”

Why the Arabs were defeated

Historians argue the reasons behind Arab losses against Israel in 1948.

www.aljazeera.com

This article comes from your favourite source, Al Jazeera. The entire article is based on why the Arabs lost and Israel won.

From the same article :


The forces of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli military......

The forces of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli military......

What did Egypt lose?
What did Syria lose?
What did Lebanon lose?
What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

They did not meet their goals . You don’t have to lose territory to lose a war .
You lost the argument Tinmore, again.
Nice duck BTW

Turn it around. What did Israel win and from whom?

They met their goals, which was to repel the Arab armies . Simple as that.

That wasn't the question.

You keep posting under the false premise that Israel had to physically win something in order to win the war . Wars are won or lost based on goals that are met or not. I provided several links already to back up my statement that Israel win the 1948 war, you have provided Nothing but ducks and dancing !

Holy obfuscation, Batman.

Yet another duck by Tinmore. What’s the record for ducks by one poster in one thread? It must be Tinmore.
Whenever he loses an argument, he tries to retreat by accusing the other poster is ducking .
I’m still waiting for just one link to contradict what I posted Tinmore . Just one..

No, you just are trying to move away from my questions.

I have answered everything you have asked me and provided several links. You have provided NOTHING . Just ducking and dancing. Now you are accusing me of exactly what you are doing , trying to retreat when you know you lost ..

What did Egypt lose?
What did Syria lose?
What did Lebanon lose?
What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

What did Egypt lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Syria lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Lebanon lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

They got their ass kicked.

How is that relevant?
Clearly Israel had the latest US weapons, while the Arab states had old surplus that was decades obsolete.

Israel was not only outnumbered and outgunned, but they had to goth The war on all front. They were completely surrounded by the Srabs, yet still managed to fend them off ...

Total lie.
The Israelis had been planning this over 50 years, so had accumulated a much larger trained military force, and much more modern weapons.
In contrast, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria not only had very little experience with independence themselves, but had no modern arms or armies at all.
And they were not willing to commit even a tiny fraction of what they did have.
Nor were there wide spread fonts as you claim.
Egyptian forces were no where near to Gaza.
Lebanese forces were no where near the Galilee area.
Syrian forces were no where near the Golan Heights.
Jordanian forces never set foot on any Israeli land at all, and only defensively fought in the West Bank, to stop the Israeli invasion attempt.
Anyone had to cross a lot of territory just to get to Israel.
And no, Israel did not "fend them off".
Israel has tried to invade the West Bank, and totally lost.
They had to go back entirely to prewar borders.

 

[Rigby5]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

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Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

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Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

The Zionists stole homes from Arabs who should have been equally Israeli citizens.
Countries have nothing to do with that.

 

[Rigby5]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

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Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

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Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

Wrong.
There are no Ottoman records indicating the land was not owned by individual Palestinian families, and had been even way before the Ottoman invasion.
Invaders like the Ottoman Turks own sovereignty, but never own any plots of land.

Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?
It simply never happened, and those who sent money to these supposed land lords were ripped off.
Its like sending money to Nigerian princes on the internet these days.
The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years.

"The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years."

What deeds?

All land transactions are always recorded.
The Palestinians lived there for over 10,000 years.

 

[Rigby5]

And the fact Charles Winters was not prosecuted for his obvious violations of law and treaty

What laws? What treaties? Link?

I already listed the laws, treaties, and British statements, so you clearly are just spamming.

What law did Winters violate? What treaty?

There was a UN embargo on arms to the Mideast participants in hostilities.
As a signature of the UN, that made it illegal under US law.

There was a UN embargo on arms to the Mideast participants in hostilities.

Hostilities? You mean when the couple of dozen Arabs invaded?

Now you said Israel got 50 bombers and 50 Mustangs from the US.
What did they really get? 3 or 4? LOL!

Liar.
The Israelis accumumulated hundreds of planes, none of which they could have obtained if not for the US secretly allowing them to.
They even started shooting down British observation planes once they had US Mustang, P-51 high altitude interceptors.

{...
Preceded by the Sherut Avir, the air wing of the Haganah, the Israeli Air Force was officially formed on May 28, 1948, shortly after Israel declared statehood and found itself under immediate attack from its Arab neighbors. At first, it was assembled from a hodge-podge collection of civilian aircraft commandeered or donated and converted to military use. A variety of obsolete and surplus ex-World War II combat aircraft were quickly sourced by various means – both legal and illegal – to supplement this fleet. The backbone of the IAF consisted of 25 Avia S-199s (purchased from Czechoslovakia, essentially Czechoslovak-built Messerschmitt Bf 109s) and 60 Supermarine Spitfire LF Mk IXEs, the first of which, "Israel 1" was locally assembled from British abandoned spare parts and a salvaged engine from an Egyptian Spitfire with most of the rest purchased from Czechoslovakia.[4] Some spitfires were ferried from Žatec base code-named "Zebra" where pilots also received preliminary flight training, while others were transported by sea. Creativity and resourcefulness were the early foundations of Israeli military success in the air, rather than technology (which, at the inception of the IAF, was generally inferior to that used by Israel's adversaries). Many of the first IAF's pilots in 1948 were foreign volunteers (both Jewish and non-Jewish) and World War II veterans, who wanted to collaborate with Israel's struggle for its independence. The IAF's humble beginnings made its first air victories particularly impressive and noteworthy.

Similarly the Air Transport Command begun its existence as the Panamanian registered Lineos Aeros de Panama Society Anonyme or LAPSA acquired C-46 and C-47 aircraft.[5] Of the 607 IAF servicemen who served in the IAF during the War of Independence, over 414 of them were volunteers from overseas.[6]

Israel's new fighter arm first went into action on May 29, 1948, assisting the efforts to halt the Egyptian advance from Gaza northwards. Four newly arrived Avia S-199s, flown by Lou Lenart, Modi Alon, Ezer Weizman and Eddie Cohen, struck Egyptian forces near Isdud. Although damage was minimal, two aircraft were lost and Cohen killed, the attack nevertheless achieved its goal and the Egyptians stopped. The Avias were back in action on May 30, attacking Jordanian forces near Tulkarem, losing another aircraft in the process.[7][8] After un-assembled planes were strafed on the ground on May 30 at Ekron airfield the fighters were moved to makeshift strip located around the current Herzliya Airport. The airfield was used as it was a bit back from the front-lines, and was clandestine since it was a purpose built strip, that was constructed after the beginning of hostilities, in between the orange orchards around Herzliya, and didn't appear on published maps.


A 1949 aerial view of Ramat David air force base, taken from a B-17.
The Israeli Air Force scored its first aerial victories on June 3 when Modi Alon, flying Avia D.112, shot down two Egyptian Air Force DC-3s which had just bombed Tel Aviv.[8][9][10] The first dogfight against enemy fighters took place a few days later, on June 8, when Gideon Lichtaman shot down an Egyptian Spitfire.[11] During these initial operations, the squadron operated with a few planes versus almost complete Arab theater Air supremacy and the airplanes were parked dispersed between the orange trees. The fighters were moved in October to Hatzor Airbase from the Herzliya strip in due to its unsuitability in rainy conditions, probable loss of clandestine status, moving front lines which made former British bases safe for use, and a shift in the balance of air superiority towards the Israelis.[12][13][14]

As the war progressed, more and more aircraft were procured, including Boeing B-17s,[15] Bristol Beaufighters, de Havilland Mosquitoes and P-51D Mustangs, leading to a shift in the balance of power. Although the IAF had never secured complete aerial supremacy, by the end of the war it had proven decisive in the air.[16][17]

The war also saw the IAF clash with Britain's Royal Air Force. During the summer and autumn of 1948 RAF photo-reconnaissance De Havilland Mosquitos of No. 13 Squadron RAF flew routine reconnaissance overflights over Israel. These high-altitude flights remained unchallenged until Israel acquired the Mustang. On November 20, 1948 one such reconnaissance aircraft was spotted over the Galilee and was shot down by Wayne Peake, crashing in the Mediterranean off Ashdod.[18][19] The IAF and RAF clashed again on January 7, 1949, during Operation Horev, when four RAF Spitfires were shot down, followed by a Hawker Tempest later that day.[20][21]
...}

 

[Rigby5]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

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Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

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Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

Wrong.
There are no Ottoman records indicating the land was not owned by individual Palestinian families, and had been even way before the Ottoman invasion.
Invaders like the Ottoman Turks own sovereignty, but never own any plots of land.

Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?
It simply never happened, and those who sent money to these supposed land lords were ripped off.
Its like sending money to Nigerian princes on the internet these days.
The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years.

Ah, I see. So the Turks didn't have the Ottoman lands they turned over to the Pallys. It was all a conspiracy?

What other conspiracy theories are your favorites?

No, it is a fraud, not a conspiracy.
Turks has no land ownership in Palestine.
How would they get it?
They did not farm, they did not live there, and invaders do not get ownership of individual plots of land.

 

[toastman]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

Where does it say that Israel won that war?

In the beginning where it says Result: Israeli victory. It also says Palestinian Arab defeat..

let me guess, you’re going to twist the word ‘victory’ and claim it doesn’t mean ‘to win’... right Tinmore ?

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Wow, that was an act of desperation Tinmore. Really??

How about this:

“Another factor that contributed to the 1948 defeat”

Why the Arabs were defeated

Historians argue the reasons behind Arab losses against Israel in 1948.

www.aljazeera.com

This article comes from your favourite source, Al Jazeera. The entire article is based on why the Arabs lost and Israel won.

From the same article :


The forces of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli military......

The forces of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Israeli military......

What did Egypt lose?
What did Syria lose?
What did Lebanon lose?
What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

They did not meet their goals . You don’t have to lose territory to lose a war .
You lost the argument Tinmore, again.
Nice duck BTW

Turn it around. What did Israel win and from whom?

They met their goals, which was to repel the Arab armies . Simple as that.

That wasn't the question.

You keep posting under the false premise that Israel had to physically win something in order to win the war . Wars are won or lost based on goals that are met or not. I provided several links already to back up my statement that Israel win the 1948 war, you have provided Nothing but ducks and dancing !

Holy obfuscation, Batman.

Yet another duck by Tinmore. What’s the record for ducks by one poster in one thread? It must be Tinmore.
Whenever he loses an argument, he tries to retreat by accusing the other poster is ducking .
I’m still waiting for just one link to contradict what I posted Tinmore . Just one..

No, you just are trying to move away from my questions.

I have answered everything you have asked me and provided several links. You have provided NOTHING . Just ducking and dancing. Now you are accusing me of exactly what you are doing , trying to retreat when you know you lost ..

What did Egypt lose?
What did Syria lose?
What did Lebanon lose?
What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

What did Egypt lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Syria lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Lebanon lose?

They got their ass kicked.

What did Transjordan/Iraq lose?

They got their ass kicked.

How is that relevant?
Clearly Israel had the latest US weapons, while the Arab states had old surplus that was decades obsolete.

Israel was not only outnumbered and outgunned, but they had to goth The war on all front. They were completely surrounded by the Srabs, yet still managed to fend them off ...

Total lie.
The Israelis had been planning this over 50 years, so had accumulated a much larger trained military force, and much more modern weapons.
In contrast, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria not only had very little experience with independence themselves, but had no modern arms or armies at all.
And they were not willing to commit even a tiny fraction of what they did have.
Nor were there wide spread fonts as you claim.
Egyptian forces were no where near to Gaza.
Lebanese forces were no where near the Galilee area.
Syrian forces were no where near the Golan Heights.
Jordanian forces never set foot on any Israeli land at all, and only defensively fought in the West Bank, to stop the Israeli invasion attempt.
Anyone had to cross a lot of territory just to get to Israel.
And no, Israel did not "fend them off".
Israel has tried to invade the West Bank, and totally lost.
They had to go back entirely to prewar borders.

The Israelis has been planning what? They had just declared independence the day before. How could they have planned anything 50 years prior ?
So you even have a link to prove this ?

 

[toastman]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict | Britannica

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

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Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

No one invaded? Where did you get this crap, you Arab apologist. S soon as Israel declared independence, Arab states invaded. There is no denying that, no matter how much you try and distort history ..

 

[toastman]

Yes, the goal of the Jews in the 1948 war was the invasion of the West Bank,

So when the Jews lost, they ended up with more land than they started with.

Just like Germany in WWI and WWII, right?

the Zionists were totally defeated and had to fall back on the UN partition instead.

But they didn't. You should post all 3 maps.....just to prove your claim.

Consistently wrong.
After the 1948 war, Israel ended up with the exact same amount of land as before, the UN partition.

With the 3 maps, the first map was both before and after the 1948 war.

The other maps represent the advances by Israel in the 1980s and then very recent thefts of the West Banks for the construction of the illegal wall in the West Bank.

After the 1948 war, Israel ended up with the exact same amount of land as before, the UN partition.

Show me.

Post the partition map and the after war map.

Here is the pre-1948 war UN partition.

Here is the map after the 1948 war was over, and then the changes in 1967.

Obviously Israel lost the 1948 war because they fighting was almost all around Jerusalem, and Israel achieved nothing.

If Israel had lost the war. They would have ceased to exist .I even posted a link earlier in this thread from Al Jazeera where even they say Israel won the war and the Arabs failed.
You like to make up history , don’t you ?

 

[Hollie]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict | Britannica

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

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Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

Wrong.
There are no Ottoman records indicating the land was not owned by individual Palestinian families, and had been even way before the Ottoman invasion.
Invaders like the Ottoman Turks own sovereignty, but never own any plots of land.

Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?
It simply never happened, and those who sent money to these supposed land lords were ripped off.
Its like sending money to Nigerian princes on the internet these days.
The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years.

"The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years."

What deeds?

All land transactions are always recorded.
The Palestinians lived there for over 10,000 years.

Wow. So Pallys existed before there were Pallys.

 

[Hollie]

Israel stole Jerusalem and the West Bank from Palestine,

Palestine? Sweet!!!

Who were the elected leaders of this "Palestine" you speak of?
What was their currency? Who was in charge of their central bank?
What were the interest rates on their debt the day before their land was stolen?

You have any links to back you up?
Besides that cloud of bong smoke you keep pulling your info from?

Abbas is the temporary elected leader since the Israelis assassinated the previous Hamas president.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_pound.

Abbas is the temporary elected leader

I know he's old, but he wasn't their leader back in the 60s.

The currency of Palestine is the Palestine Pound.

Not when you claim something was stolen. Try again?

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

{... An Arab summit meeting in Cairo in 1964 led to the formation of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). A political umbrella organization of several Palestinian groups, the PLO thereafter consistently claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian people. Its first leader was Aḥmad Shuqayrī, a protégé of Egypt.
...
Several years before the creation of the PLO, a secret organization had been formed: the Palestine National Liberation Movement (Ḥarakat al-Taḥrīr al-Waṭanī al-Filasṭīnī), known from a reversal of its Arabic initials as Fatah. ...}

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.
Zionist murdered, looted, and stole hundreds of Arab villages from the native Palestinians.

{...
If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbours, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab population, who either were driven out by Zionist military forces before May 15, 1948, or by the Israeli army after that date or fled for fear of violence by these forces. Many wealthy merchants and leading urban notables from Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem fled to Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan, while the middle class tended to move to all-Arab towns such as Nāblus and Nazareth. The majority of fellahin ended up in refugee camps. More than 400 Arab villages disappeared, and Arab life in the coastal cities (especially Jaffa and Haifa) virtually disintegrated.
...}

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict | Britannica

Palestine - Occupation, Refugees, Conflict: If one chief theme in the post-1948 pattern was embattled Israel and a second the hostility of its Arab neighbors, a third was the plight of the huge number of Arab refugees. The violent birth of Israel led to a major displacement of the Arab...

www.britannica.com

Leadership changes fast when invaded by a hostile country like the Zionists.

Especially in the 1920s.

What was stolen was land, so currency has nothing at all to do with it.

How can you steal land from a country that has no leaders and no currency?

Now, tell me more about those 100 US planes you smoked up.......

That is stupid.
Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.
And Zionists murdered natives in order to steal their homes.
Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.
That is trillions that need to get paid back.

Land is owned by individual property owners, not countries.

Yeah, but talking about the Ottoman owners is so boring.

Almost no one in Israel has ever paid for their homes because they were almost all stolen from the natives.

6 million Jews got their homes from a couple hundred thousand Palestinians? Sounds crowded.

Wrong.
The Ottoman invaders were rulers, not owners of individual plots of land.
The Palestinians had ownership of all the plots of land, including all of Israel.
There is hardly a parcel in Israel that is not actually legally owned by Arabs.
The exception would be the Old Jewish Quarter of the West Bank, where some native Jews lived.

And no, over a million Arabs were illegally displaced by Zionists.

Actually, your comment about Pallys owning all plots of land is nonsense. The Pallys did not have ownership of all the plots of land. That is confirmed by Ottoman land records. Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.

Turkey hands over Ottoman land records to Palestinians

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

Ever since 1948, Palestinian institutions dealing with the refugee issue have been trying to obtain accurate records on the land and property that were lost when Israel was established. This effort has gained steam in recent years, but no Palestinian institution has come close to collecting all the relevant data. One reason for the lackadaisical effort may be the Palestinians' understanding that the data has little practical value other than for public relations. At most, it will be used in the bargaining over compensation for refugees, if and when such negotiations take place.

Wrong.
There are no Ottoman records indicating the land was not owned by individual Palestinian families, and had been even way before the Ottoman invasion.
Invaders like the Ottoman Turks own sovereignty, but never own any plots of land.

Yes there were some foolish Zionists who sent money to frauds in other countries who falsely claimed to be land owners in Palestine, but how are Syrians or Lebanese going to own land in Palestine?
It simply never happened, and those who sent money to these supposed land lords were ripped off.
Its like sending money to Nigerian princes on the internet these days.
The Palestinians deeds go back over 2000 years.

Ah, I see. So the Turks didn't have the Ottoman lands they turned over to the Pallys. It was all a conspiracy?

What other conspiracy theories are your favorites?

No, it is a fraud, not a conspiracy.
Turks has no land ownership in Palestine.
How would they get it?
They did not farm, they did not live there, and invaders do not get ownership of individual plots of land.

Your conspiracy theories are funny, The loosely defined land area you define as the Magical Kingdom of Pal'istan was a sanjak of the Ottoman empire.

Empire Ottoman : division administrative

Includes four insets and tables of cities, with size and population. Available also through the Library of Congress Web site as a raster image.

www.loc.gov

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, the Zionists were attacking the natives way back in the 1920s.

Did the Jews invade the "country" of "Palestine"?

Yes.
There were over half a dozen so called "wars", but in reality they were almost all just Israel stealing more land.
The exception was the Yom Kippur war of 73, when Egypt won back the Sinai.

Yes.

The day the Jews invaded, who was the palestinian leader?

There were over half a dozen so called "wars", but in reality they were almost all just Israel stealing more land.

The Jews kicked a lot of Arab ass.

The exception was the Yom Kippur war of 73, when Egypt won back the Sinai.

Damn, that's some strong fucking weed you're smoking.

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Sinai Peninsula, triangular peninsula linking Africa with Asia and occupying an area of 23,500 square miles (61,000 square km). Usually regarded as being geographically part of Asia, the Sinai Peninsula is the northeastern extremity of Egypt and adjoins Israel and the Gaza Strip on the east.

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Wrong.
Israel lost the 1973 Yom Kippur war and was forced to give back the Sinai that Israel illegally had occupied since 1967.

{...
The Yom Kippur War, Ramadan War, or October War[56] also known as the 1973 Arab–Israeli War, was fought from October 6 to 25, 1973, by a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria against Israel. The war took place mostly in Sinai and the Golan—occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War—with some fighting in African Egypt and northern Israel.[57][58] Egypt's initial war objective was to use its military to seize a foothold on the east bank of the Suez Canal and use this to negotiate the return of the rest of Sinai.[59][60][61][62]

...Both the United States and the Soviet Union initiated massive resupply efforts to their respective allies during the war, and these efforts led to a near-confrontation between the two nuclear superpowers.[64]...

The war began with a massive and successful Egyptian crossing of the Suez Canal. Egyptian forces crossed the cease-fire lines, then advanced virtually unopposed into the Sinai Peninsula. After three days, Israel had mobilized most of its forces and halted the Egyptian offensive, resulting in a military stalemate. The Syrians coordinated their attack on the Golan Heights to coincide with the Egyptian offensive and initially made threatening gains into Israeli-held territory. Within three days, however, Israeli forces had pushed the Syrians back to the pre-war ceasefire lines. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) then launched a four-day counter-offensive deep into Syria. Within a week, Israeli artillery began to shell the outskirts of Damascus, and Egyptian President Sadat began to worry about the integrity of his major ally. He believed that capturing two strategic passes located deeper in the Sinai would make his position stronger during post-war negotiations; he therefore ordered the Egyptians to go back on the offensive, but their attack was quickly repulsed. The Israelis then counter-attacked at the seam between the two Egyptian armies, crossed the Suez Canal into Egypt, and began slowly advancing southward and westward towards the city of Suez in over a week of heavy fighting that resulted in heavy casualties on both sides.[65][66]

On October 22, a United Nations–brokered ceasefire unraveled, with each side blaming the other for the breach. By October 24, the Israelis had improved their positions considerably and completed their encirclement of Egypt's Third Army and the city of Suez. This development led to tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union, and a second ceasefire was imposed cooperatively on October 25 to end the war.

The war had far-reaching implications. The Arab world had experienced humiliation in the lopsided rout of the Egyptian–Syrian–Jordanian alliance in the Six-Day War but felt psychologically vindicated by early successes in this conflict. The war led Israel to recognize that, despite impressive operational and tactical achievements on the battlefield, there was no guarantee that they would always dominate the Arab states militarily, as they had consistently through the earlier 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the Suez Crisis and the Six-Day War. These changes paved the way for the subsequent peace process.
...}

Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel lost the 1973 Yom Kippur war and was forced to give back the Sinai that Israel illegally had occupied since 1967.

So why did Israel hold it until 1982?

I don't think you understand the difference between win and lose.

The Israelis then counter-attacked at the seam between the two Egyptian armies, crossed the Suez Canal into Egypt, and began slowly advancing southward and westward towards the city of Suez in over a week of heavy fighting that resulted in heavy casualties on both sides.[65][66]

Your own source disagrees with your claim.

The war led Israel to recognize that, despite impressive operational and tactical achievements on the battlefield, there was no guarantee that they would always dominate the Arab states militarily,

See? DURR