The New Cold War

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They're back. Putin has decided that Russia’s interests are best served in an adversarial role against NATO and the United States. So be it. America defeated the old Soviets and it will defeat the new Soviets. Putin has curtailed democracy, nationalized industry, and gagged the media. Yuri Andropov would be proud.

The Kremlin announced Saturday that President Vladimir Putin had signed a decree suspending Russia’s application of the 1990 Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty.

The CFE treaty, which came into force in 1992, is one of the key post-Cold War security accords in Europe.

It limits deployments of tanks and troops in countries belonging to NATO and the former Warsaw Pact in eastern Europe and lays down measures aimed at confidence-building, transparency and cooperation between member states.

Russia had threatened several times to pull out of the treaty amid unease over U.S. military encroachment into territory once part of the former Soviet Union.

Moscow particularly objected to U.S. plans to place elements of a missile defense shield in Poland and the Czech Republic.

http://defensenews.com/story.php?F=2899604&C=europe

Moscow “destroyed” almost two decades of European-Russian efforts to avoid military tensions late last week when President Vladimir Putin withdrew his nation from a key nonaggression treaty, Polish Defense Minister Aleksander Szczyglo said.

By pulling out of the treaty, Putin has shown that “Russia is not a partner” of Poland on efforts aimed at keeping the peace between the former Soviet Union and its regional neighbors, Szczyglo told Defense News July 16.

The Russian government announced July 14 that Putin had opted to sign a decree that suspended Russia’s application to the 1990 Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty. Russia had threatened several times to pull out of the treaty amid unease over U.S. military encroachment into territory once part of the former Soviet Union.

The move comes as Putin and other top Kremlin officials continue panning a proposed U.S.-hatched plan to deploy parts of a missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic, as well as a string of other brash actions and talk from Moscow.

“It seems we are returning to the Cold War times,” said Szczyglo. “It’s sad to see” that the Putin regime is “taking the security system of Europe … as part of internal politics.”

http://defensenews.com/story.php?F=2902664&C=europe
 
It's been going on for quite awhile now, Putin seems to have consolidated his power, knocked off serious voices of the press, and is now just making it official.
 
It's been going on for quite awhile now, Putin seems to have consolidated his power, knocked off serious voices of the press, and is now just making it official.
Suspending the CFE Treaty means that military tension and possible confrontation have returned. This is what bankrupted the old Soviets in the 1980s. Putin is a more refined version of Chavez, but just as totalitarian. It's going to get ugly with the Russians during the next ten years, as the old Soviet bosses reassert their authority with new petro dollars. Europe will regret that it has spent less than 2 percent GDP on defense during the past 20 years.
 
Suspending the CFE Treaty means that military tension and possible confrontation have returned. This is what bankrupted the old Soviets in the 1980s. Putin is a more refined version of Chavez, but just as totalitarian. It's going to get ugly with the Russians during the next ten years, as the old Soviet bosses reassert their authority with new petro dollars. Europe will regret that it has spent less than 2 percent GDP on defense during the past 20 years.

Yep, the oil is what has allowed Putin to reassert Russian power and I agree with you the inherent dangers. It's so unfortunate that the oil money wasn't available back in 1992-93, when real reform seemed possible.
 
This is a good sign. Links at site:

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2007/07/well_done_to_uk.html

Well done to UK govenment... not often I say that!
Perry de Havilland (London) Russia • UK affairs

I am delighted that contrary to my early expectations they they would do nothing at all other than make an official grimace and then politely forget about the whole affair, the UK government's action in expelling Russian diplomats is both all but openly stating the Russian government was behind the Litvinenko assassination and actually trying to impose some political cost on Putin's regime. It is only a small step but psychologically it is a very important one.

As Blair was showing signs of going soft on this horrendous issue,this is a welcome indication that the Brown government is really not going to let Putin's regime murder people in Britain in an ostentatiously obvious manner and let it pass with a shrug.

I was pleased that Downing Street is actively discouraging British companies from investing in Russia in the aftermath of the Shell Oil Sakhalin Island appropriations but more pressure over the Litvineko affair is now needed, if only to discourage more of the same. Of course I expect the Russian government to over-react at all but being called murderers and thereby help the process of de-normalising relations with that far from normal state. There is truly no upside to allowing Putin and his cronies to imagine they can do what they want in Britain without consequences.
 
They're back. Putin has decided that Russia’s interests are best served in an adversarial role against NATO and the United States. So be it. America defeated the old Soviets and it will defeat the new Soviets. Putin has curtailed democracy, nationalized industry, and gagged the media. Yuri Andropov would be proud.

Russia and Putin are still angry about being run out of Afghanistan in the 1980s by the U.S. backed Al-Quada & Taliban. Now that Russia has finished licking her wounds of humiliation, she's trying to serve up America some of her own military and political medicine in the Middle East, by siding with America's foes.:badgrin:
 
Russia and Putin are still angry about being run out of Afghanistan in the 1980s by the U.S. backed Al-Quada & Taliban. Now that Russia has finished licking her wounds of humiliation, she's trying to serve up America some of her own military and political medicine in the Middle East, by siding with America's foes.:badgrin:
During the 1980s Soviet war in Afghanistan, the US never aided Al Qaeda or the Taliban. Rather the US aided Pakistan and its intelligence service. It was Pakistan that directly aided insurgents in the Afghan war against the Soviets. US money funded to Pakistan for this purpose was called Operation Cyclone. The US maintains that its money was used to fund Afghan rebels and was never used to fund foreign Arabs or mujahideen.
 
All it took was a few years and some petro dollars for Putin to return the new Soviets to their old form:

RAF Scrambles to Intercept Russian Bombers
Richard Beeston, Diplomatic Editor
Times Online 7/18/07

Complete article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2093759.ece

RAF fighter jets were scrambled to intercept two Russian strategic bombers heading for British airspace yesterday, as the spirit of the Cold War returned to the North Atlantic once again.

The incident, described as rare by the RAF, served as a telling metaphor for the stand-off between London and Moscow over the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.

While the Kremlin hesitated before responding to Britain’s expulsion of four diplomats, the Russian military engaged in some old-fashioned sabre-rattling.

Two Tu95 “Bear” bombers were dispatched from their base on the Kola Peninsula in the Arctic Circle and headed towards British airspace.
Moscow revives history of silencing enemies

Russian exiles have always feared that the Kremlin would try to silence them, wherever they were living and the fears are growing

Russian military aircraft based near the northern port city of Murmansk fly patrols off the Norwegian coast regularly, but the RAF said that it was highly unusual for them to stray as far south as Scotland.

Russia Matches U.K. Diplomat Expulsions

Complete article: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/19/world/main3074638.shtml

July 19, 2007(CBS/AP) Russia said Thursday it was expelling four British diplomats in retaliation for a similar move by Britain, as a confrontation mounted between Moscow and London over the murder of former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko.

After Russia refused to extradite Andrei Lugovoi, who is accused of killing Litvinenko in London, Britain said Monday it would expel four Russian diplomats and place restrictions on visas issued to Russian government officials.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin announced the British expulsions after British Ambassador Anthony Brenton was summoned to the ministry earlier in the day.

Kamynin described Russia's response as "targeted, balanced and the minimum necessary."

Kamynin also said Russia would stop issuing visas to British officials and seeking British visas for Russian officials. He said Russia would halt counterterrorism cooperation with Britain.

"To our regret, cooperation between Russia and Britain on issues of fighting terrorism becomes impossible," he said.
 
During the 1980s Soviet war in Afghanistan, the US never aided Al Qaeda or the Taliban. Rather the US aided Pakistan and its intelligence service. It was Pakistan that directly aided insurgents in the Afghan war against the Soviets. US money funded to Pakistan for this purpose was called Operation Cyclone. The US maintains that its money was used to fund Afghan rebels and was never used to fund foreign Arabs or mujahideen.


Us gave money, weapons and instructors to the Afghans. Undirectly, they built what would became few years after the Talibans.
 
In support of your post, beware the new Russian bear.

This Isn’t Your Father’s Bear
by Robert Maginnis, Human Events

These activities appear to represent Russia’s strategic shift from post Cold War cooperative engagement with the West to one of confrontation and a quest for strategic parity. This shift is likely the brainchild of defense mastermind Deputy Prime Minister Ivanov.

Ivano, 54, is the leading candidate to succeed Putin after next year’s presidential elections. He is a Putin clone: former KGB, an FSB colonel-general, former minister of defense, and Putin’s advisor on national security. A master linguist who speaks fluent English, Norwegian, Swedish and some French, he is as sophisticated and ruthless as Putin.

Both men, based on their public statements and recent actions, believe that Russia is a rising power and will in time regain parity with the United States. That’s their goal and as long as energy wealth continues to flow to Russia, they will stay with the strategy begun this summer.

It is clear that Russia is no longer an ally (if ever it was). The “Russian bear” has awakened from its post Cold War hibernation to become a sophisticated strategic competitor with the potential to be at least as ruthless as its predecessor.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php.id=22099
 
They're back. Putin has decided that Russia’s interests are best served in an adversarial role against NATO and the United States. So be it. America defeated the old Soviets and it will defeat the new Soviets. Putin has curtailed democracy, nationalized industry, and gagged the media. Yuri Andropov would be proud.

Russia has suspended CFE-treaty for 150 days.
CFE-Treaty gives maximuim numbers of Artillery, jets, battle tanks and the human personal on European continent. It was negotiated between Warsaw Pact and NATO in 1990 and went into effect in 1992.
In 1999 numbers were adjusted by both sides to take notice of new environment after Soviet collapsed.

NATO-states did not ratified this 1999 adjustment.
Russia's temporarily intermission of CFE-treaty is to give this message:
"You ratify as we did, or we again will rearm on European continent."

Russia does not have to spend billions of Dollars in rearming, allthough it actually does. Russia can just redeploy military hardware from behind Ural to European side of Russia.

Also Baltic states were in 1999 not NATO-states. Russia wants these baltic states also part of CFE-Treaty between NATO and Russia. NATO on the other side wants from Russia to withdraw from Georgia (which will be 2008 the case) and from Moldavia.

The solution to this is simple. NATO, together with new NATO-states, ratify CFE-treaty from 1999 or Russia will suspend. Because currently NATO did arm-up for 8 years since 1999 while Russia had already ratified the modified 1999 CFE-treaty.
 
Russia has suspended CFE-treaty for 150 days.
CFE-Treaty gives maximuim numbers of Artillery, jets, battle tanks and the human personal on European continent. It was negotiated between Warsaw Pact and NATO in 1990 and went into effect in 1992.
In 1999 numbers were adjusted by both sides to take notice of new environment after Soviet collapsed.

NATO-states did not ratified this 1999 adjustment.
Russia's temporarily intermission of CFE-treaty is to give this message:
"You ratify as we did, or we again will rearm on European continent."

Russia does not have to spend billions of Dollars in rearming, allthough it actually does. Russia can just redeploy military hardware from behind Ural to European side of Russia.

Also Baltic states were in 1999 not NATO-states. Russia wants these baltic states also part of CFE-Treaty between NATO and Russia. NATO on the other side wants from Russia to withdraw from Georgia (which will be 2008 the case) and from Moldavia.

The solution to this is simple. NATO, together with new NATO-states, ratify CFE-treaty from 1999 or Russia will suspend. Because currently NATO did arm-up for 8 years since 1999 while Russia had already ratified the modified 1999 CFE-treaty.

In this particular case Russia has a point. A VERY valid point. We would never agree to be limited by an agreement the other side was ignoring.
 
In this particular case Russia has a point. A VERY valid point. We would never agree to be limited by an agreement the other side was ignoring.

Here is a very good analysis by Gorbatchov's foreign advisor about current geopolitics of Russia and USA/Nato.
It is published on a swiss website, so expect failures of machine translations:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...n/2007/nr28-vom-1672007/schlacht-um-russland/
http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools

I also suggest watching TV channel "Russia Today". It is being aired by satellite. It is a news channel about Russia in English and by other Frequency and Symbol rate in Arabic language and they are airing very good documentaries about world geopolitics from Russian view.
Today was aired "cracking the myth of geopolitics" where, to simply put, it was about how bad Russia is portrayed by westerners on different issues of world-politics, but the westerners are the more worse.
You can watch it online, too:

There are fears that Russia is still an aggressive state. Its image abroad is that Russia is the country with big geopolitical ambitions, a potential invader that wants to rule the world. But how many countries has it invaded in the last 20 years? Mark Ames is looking for answers to this and many other geopolitical questions in the new installment of the Cracking the Myths documentary series.
http://www.russiatoday.ru/documentary/release/714/video
I Liked it.

Tomorrow comes documentary:
Russia's foreign policy and "red lines"

If american audience do not receive Russia Today in America regions, they can alwas watch the documentaries on website, once they have been aired out on TV.
You can also watch TV live via their website.
 
Here is a very good analysis by Gorbatchov's foreign advisor about current geopolitics of Russia and USA/Nato.
It is published on a swiss website, so expect failures of machine translations:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...n/2007/nr28-vom-1672007/schlacht-um-russland/
http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools

I also suggest watching TV channel "Russia Today". It is being aired by satellite. It is a news channel about Russia in English and by other Frequency and Symbol rate in Arabic language and they are airing very good documentaries about world geopolitics from Russian view.
Today was aired "cracking the myth of geopolitics" where, to simply put, it was about how bad Russia is portrayed by westerners on different issues of world-politics, but the westerners are the more worse.
You can watch it online, too:


http://www.russiatoday.ru/documentary/release/714/video
I Liked it.

Tomorrow comes documentary:
Russia's foreign policy and "red lines"

If american audience do not receive Russia Today in America regions, they can alwas watch the documentaries on website, once they have been aired out on TV.
You can also watch TV live via their website.
Thank's for the propaganda tips. Fits right in with your Brothers of the Black Sea spew. Everyone knows that the media in the New Soviet Union reports to Putin and the FSB. It is really obnoxious that someone from a country that America protected from the old Soviets for 50 years now wants us to watch the government sanctioned propaganda of the new Soviets. Thanks, canavar. Have fun with your new totalitarian pals.

PS. Is your new avatar some kind of bad joke? The way Turk politics are going, your grandchildren will still be on the outside of the EU looking in.
 
Thank's for the propaganda tips. Fits right in with your Brothers of the Black Sea spew. Everyone knows that the media in the New Soviet Union reports to Putin and the FSB. It is really obnoxious that someone from a country that America protected from the old Soviets for 50 years now wants us to watch the government sanctioned propaganda of the new Soviets. Thanks, canavar. Have fun with your new totalitarian pals.

PS. Is your new avatar some kind of bad joke? The way Turk politics are going, your grandchildren will still be on the outside of the EU looking in.

Soviets are past.
Russia is a friendly country, with which cultural, economic , political exchange and Anti-Terrorism works very well.
We are friendly countries vice-versa and business activities cement this for the future. Our bilateral trade is 10 times higher than that of Russia-Iran.
Russia is a mix of federal and central state. Turkey has direct ethnic links to Russian authnomous Republics like Tatarstan, Baschkortistan and other authonomous Republics of Russia which are still in Russian federal system.
To deepen ties with these authonomous Republics goes via Moscow. And it goes very well if i may add.

I just wait for Russia to open up ressource sector for Turkish firms, like they did for Italy, so Turkey can produce natural gas direct there.
Currently natural gas which Turkey imports from Russia is 50/50 Italian-Russian export.
Will be a matter of time till Turkish firms will be investing in ressources there, as we expand in energy sector to other countries but to Russia not yet.


"Russia Today" is indeed government financed, so what?
I am educated enough, to know what is propaganda and what matches my view of certain things.
I also watch sundays at CNN always the show with Wolf Blitzer.
I also receive via Satellite Aljazeera, France 24 and Deutsche Welle all in English language.
"Russia Today" is part of this being update on what is going around by different perspectives.
You have no liability to watch anything i provide. But if you would, you would know more about Russia allthough via Internet you can inform too.
This is no judgement about your knowledge of Russia, as i do not presumen someone's knowledge about different things.


My Avatar is no joke. It will become reality.
My signature is a joke, kind of parody.
But i can replace it with Neo-Ottoman miltary music. :eusa_dance:
And i must disappaoint you about my Grandchildren still waiting for entrance to EU. Negotiation about EU entrance advances. There are 34 negotiation chapters. Will last maybe 8 years to advance them all, then we will see.
Countries like France have added a referendum to their constitution under Chirac about EU expansion.
Sarkozy will delete referendum passage of French constitution.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=122225
Maybe because France wants to join military wing of NATO again and Turkey can veto that.
Or EU rapid reaction force wants to use NATO capacities and Turkey also can veto that, and EU countries have no money to set-up paralell capacities to NATO, nor USA does want this.

So in about 8 years we will know more. Turkey will in 8 years have surpassed notedly an economy size of 1 trillion $. And will be absolute dominator in its pivotal region of Southeast Europe, Middle-East, North Africa till to Hindukush in Afghanistan.
EU business is lobbyist of Turkish entrance because of business opportunities.
EU strategists are lobbyist of Turkish entrance because of Energy and Turkish military power (which grows paralell with economy) and Turkish reach to critical areas.
With Turkey EU will not be a paper tiger anymore.

That's it.
But Turkish people will decide theirselves if to join EU or not.
My grandchildrens will arise in a Turkey which is either in that time due to population size absolute Power within EU and thereby dominates it oivotal region, or a Turkey which has aligned itself with Russia and Central Asia and also dominates its pivotal region.
I do not know how old you are, onedomino, but i think you will live more then 8 years and see what will happen.
Turkey will give direction in the 21st century to different Worldpowers whether there influence in Eurasia is blocked or multiplied by Turkish direction.
It is not so, as if Turkey is a weak and unwanted bride driving directionless through history.
Turkey is one of the key countries in this century, even more when you add that we are there where we are as a democracy with 99% muslims and from year to year raise our soft-power to the whole muslim world.
Only +200 Mio Indonesia will be more stronger in the long run, but Indonesia will be absorbed in Pacific by other powers like China and is out of business by its location.
Turkey on the other hand is in the centre of Mid-East, Europe and North-Africa with great history, soft-power and rising philosophy of Neo-Ottomanism, meaning everywhere where Ottoman were Turkey will again be, be it by practical power or by theoretical power (soft-power).
 
The new 'cold war' fucking morons like you would make it statewide.:eusa_hand:
 

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