The myths of high cost healthcare

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The majority of people don't want it to be that way, where wealth is super concentrated in the upper strata.

Too stupid but 1000% liberal. If true that they don't want Gates Buffet and Jobs to have their $200 billion why do they buy their products so they have their $200 billion!!

 

[pjnlsn]

The majority of people don't want it to be that way, where wealth is super concentrated in the upper strata.

Too stupid but 1000% liberal. If true that they don't want Gates Buffet and Jobs to have their $200 billion why do they buy their products so they have their $200 billion!!

What's stupid is a pattern which nearly all of your posts follow, but specifically asking why people buy Ipods or new computers, even in this context. And no, what I wrote doesn't contradict the last sentence.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The majority of people don't want it to be that way, where wealth is super concentrated in the upper strata.

Too stupid but 1000% liberal. If true that they don't want Gates Buffet and Jobs to have their $200 billion why do they buy their products so they have their $200 billion!!

What's stupid is a pattern which nearly all of your posts follow, but specifically asking why people buy Ipods or new computers, even in this context. And no, what I wrote doesn't contradict the last sentence.

Too stupid but 1000% liberal. If true that they don't want Gates Buffet and Jobs to have their $200 billion why do they buy their products so they have their $200 billion!!

All you're really advocating is a violent Nazi communist liberal government, but you lack the IQ to know it. Were it not for our Republican founders liberals would have moved us down this road long long ago.

 

[kiwiman127]

EdB!!!!! What a dope! You posted the same response in two different posts (#61 & 63)! Here's a hint; turn the page in your book The Idiots Guide Book of Talking Points Responses.

 

[pjnlsn]

Too stupid but 1000% liberal. If true that they don't want Gates Buffet and Jobs to have their $200 billion why do they buy their products so they have their $200 billion!!

What's stupid is a pattern which nearly all of your posts follow, but specifically asking why people buy Ipods or new computers, even in this context. And no, what I wrote doesn't contradict the last sentence.

Too stupid but 1000% liberal. If true that they don't want Gates Buffet and Jobs to have their $200 billion why do they buy their products so they have their $200 billion!!

In this context, only a child with no real understanding of people would honestly, with no reservation or doubt, think those two things contradict each other.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What's stupid is a pattern which nearly all of your posts follow, but specifically asking why people buy Ipods or new computers, even in this context. And no, what I wrote doesn't contradict the last sentence.

Too stupid but 1000% liberal. If true that they don't want Gates Buffet and Jobs to have their $200 billion why do they buy their products so they have their $200 billion!!

In this context, only a child with no real understanding of people would honestly, with no reservation or doubt, think those two things contradict each other.

so exactly why is it not a contradiction to buy something from a man and then complain how much money he has?? You want to buy from the man and then steal the money back, but then, if violence is the libturd way, Gates could want to steal the software back too!

Isn't it fun to learn how to think??

 

[pjnlsn]

Too stupid but 1000% liberal. If true that they don't want Gates Buffet and Jobs to have their $200 billion why do they buy their products so they have their $200 billion!!

In this context, only a child with no real understanding of people would honestly, with no reservation or doubt, think those two things contradict each other.

so exactly why is it not a contradiction to buy something from a man and then complain how much money he has?? You want to buy from the man and then steal the money back, but then, if violence is the libturd way, Gates could want to steal the software back too!

Isn't it fun to learn how to think??

What was written was about how people actually think, at least the majority. And that isn't how most people think. Or, as before:

In this context, only a child with no real understanding of people would honestly, with no reservation or doubt, think those two things contradict each other.

 

[realinvestment]

So why can't individuals find some way to get around the insurance company? Cut them out and just go direct with the providers?

Because the providers will hose them with over charges!

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us" is a clear, somewhat concise and comprehensive explanation of health care in America. Time Magazine's Special Report date March 4, 2013 is importatant reading for anyone who wants to converse intelligently on the issue of health care in America.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us" is a clear, somewhat concise and comprehensive explanation of health care in America. Time Magazine's Special Report date March 4, 2013 is importatant reading for anyone who wants to converse intelligently on the issue of health care in America.

if it said capitalism would reduce costs by 70% then is was intelligent, if it said reformulated socialism was the answer it was stupid.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us" is a clear, somewhat concise and comprehensive explanation of health care in America. Time Magazine's Special Report date March 4, 2013 is importatant reading for anyone who wants to converse intelligently on the issue of health care in America.

if it said capitalism would reduce costs by 70% then is was intelligent, if it said reformulated socialism was the answer it was stupid.

Instead of constantly copy/pasting the words of others from other sites, try reading some facts.

 

[dblack]

So why can't individuals find some way to get around the insurance company? Cut them out and just go direct with the providers?

Because the providers will hose them with over charges!

Many have been. But the insurance industry has lobbied long and hard to discourage it. With PPACA they've made it illegal.

 

[lynn63]

Do people actually believe that health insurance actually pays 100% of healthcare costs? They don't, in fact their fee schedules is not much more then the government's fee schedule for Medicare. This is what makes it impossible for anyone to afford healthcare without having a insurance middleman's fee schedule contract that cut costs in half.

Prior to managed care in the early 80's, healthcare was affordable to people without insurance. It is the insurance industry that drove up the cost so people could now not afford it without being insured.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It is the insurance industry that drove up the cost so people could now not afford it without being insured.

as a liberal you will lack the IQ to know that:

1) the health insurance industry is not a very profitable industry and


2) liberal government made it illegal for health insurance companies to compete with each other. Do you think cars would be more or less expensive if liberals made competition illegal in the auto industry??

 

[Antares]

With all due respect Dragon, you must rmove your feelings from any response about any of this.

I know that you'd like to be able to rule by fiat simply because your folks think you know best about everything...I am sorry you bought that lie.

Your post concerning the Public Option reveals much about what you don't know, and much more about how you let your own self agrandizement and emotions get in the way of reality.

The WILL be a single payor system in plave within in a decade if Obamacare stands, its just that simple...and THAT is what this ACA is designed to do...get the public ready for complete take over of the industry.



UOTE=Dragonlady;6828000]Eddie, your whole "a liberal will lack the IQ to . . ." makes YOU look dumber than a sack of hammers.

The US cannot currently go to a single payer system. The system is too large and too complex and too much would have to change. There are extreme shortages of doctors in some areas and that's with only 85% of your population covered. With 100% of the population insured on an equal basis, where more money can't buy you quicker service, well, your current services would soon be overwhelmed and waiting lists would exist.

The current level of health care in the US is dependent upon one level of care for the wealthy, and an entirely different level of care for those who cannot afford it. Levelling the playing field won't work and it will send the existing system, into chaos.

The ACA should have included a public option. That would have allowed a single payer system to take root, build a base and start eroding the for-profits. The public option would have been the wedge into reducing administration costs without reducing services.

What really needs to be looked at is streamlining and simplifying the billing and payment process, and drastically reducing/eliminating the pre-approval process. This would cut out a lot of time and money wasted. The problem with insurance companies is that they have entire departments devoted to reducing the amount of the claims paid. The costs of eliminating fraud and waste are generally higher than the $$$ such efforts save.[/QUOTE]

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

In this context, only a child with no real understanding of people would honestly, with no reservation or doubt, think those two things contradict each other.

so exactly why is it not a contradiction to buy something from a man and then complain how much money he has?? You want to buy from the man and then steal the money back, but then, if violence is the libturd way, Gates could want to steal the software back too!

Isn't it fun to learn how to think??

What was written was about how people actually think, at least the majority. And that isn't how most people think. Or, as before:

In this context, only a child with no real understanding of people would honestly, with no reservation or doubt, think those two things contradict each other.

so exactly why is it not a contradiction to buy something from a man and then complain how much money he has?? You want to buy from the man and then steal the money back, but then, if violence is the libturd way, Gates could want to steal the software back too!

Isn't it fun to learn how to think??

 

[proudveteran06]

http://http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2012/03/01/why-are-u-s-health-care-costs-so-high/

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us" is a clear, somewhat concise and comprehensive explanation of health care in America. Time Magazine's Special Report date March 4, 2013 is importatant reading for anyone who wants to converse intelligently on the issue of health care in America.

if it said capitalism would reduce costs by 70% then is was intelligent, if it said reformulated socialism was the answer it was stupid.

Instead of constantly copy/pasting the words of others from other sites, try reading some facts.

do you agree that capitalsim would cut the cost of health care by 70%

 

[auditor0007]

Get rid of the whole system and go to single payer, they now need one, maybe even none.

should we go to single payer for all industries or just health care??

I'd really like to hear an honest answer to this question. Mostly it just gets dodged. If government should be responsible for making sure everyone has health care, does this imply it should be responsible for all of life's necessities?

Government has a responsibility to see that everyone has access to all the basic necessities. If for some reason, certain individuals need help achieving that, then yes, government should provide that with the idea that help is temporary. Should healthcare be a guaranteed right for every American citizen? Absolutely without any doubt whatsoever. We are still the richest country in the world overall; we ought to be able to help all Americans achieve a minimal standard of living and an environment where the opportunity to better yourself is not met with one obstacle after another. Instead, we have become a society where many people blame the poor for our problems, calling them leeches and saying all they do is suck the life out of our economy. It's all pretty sad if you ask me.

As for healthcare, I find it absolutely hilarious that so many Americans support paying more than double for a service or product than everyone throughout the rest of the world. And what do we get in return for all that extra money we are spending on healthcare? Do we get twice the life expectancy? Is everyone cured of cancer here in the US, where they would die in other countries? Currently, you can buy a new midsize car for around $20,000, give or take a few grand. This price is pretty standard worldwide. If all of a sudden, Americans had to pay $40,000 for that same vehicle while the rest of the world still paid $20,000, would you be okay with that, or would you say WTF? We need to change something.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Government has a responsibility to see that everyone has access to all the basic necessities.

to each according to his needs or necessities is communist. Are you communist?? Is it in the Constition??? America acheived so must because we were free to sink or swim. Russia and China slowly starved 100 million to death precisely becuase they wern't!!!

How could you not know that????????????????????? How could you be so slow??????????

government should provide that with the idea that help is temporary.

too stupid!!! banks have to pay bailout money back, liberals give personal bailout welfare for generations and generations in part because they are slow and part to buy votes.

We are still the richest country in the world overall; we ought to be able to help all Americans achieve a minimal standard of living

you mean some Americans should sign up to let others mooch of them their entire lives.

If all of a sudden, Americans had to pay $40,000 for that same vehicle while the rest of the world still paid $20,000, would you be okay with that, or would you say WTF? We need to change something.

of course we need to change to capitalism just like China did!!