The Myth of McCarthyism

[MacTheKnife]

Venona
Decoding Soviet Espionage in America



By 1948 the accumulating evidence from other decoded Venona cables showed that the Soviets had recruited spies in virtually every major American government agency of military or diplomatic importance. American authorities learned that since 1942 the United States had been the target of a Soviet espionage onslaught involving dozens of professional Soviet intelligence officers and hundreds of Americans, many of whom were members of the American Communist party (CPUSA). The deciphered cables of the Venona Project identify 349 citizens, immigrants, and permanent residents of the United States who had had a covert relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies (see appendix A). Further, American cryptanalysts in the Venona Project deciphered only a fraction of the Soviet intelligence traffic, so it was only logical to conclude that many additional agents were discussed in the thousands of unread messages. Some were identified from other sources, such as defectors' testimony and the confessions of Soviet spies (see appendix B).

The deciphered Venona messages also showed that a disturbing number of high-ranking U.S. government officials consciously maintained a clandestine relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies and had passed extraordinarily sensitive information to the Soviet Union that had seriously damaged American interests. Harry White--the second most powerful official in the U.S. Treasury Department, one of the most influential officials in the government, and part of the American delegation at the founding of the United Nations--had advised the KGB about how American diplomatic strategy could be frustrated. A trusted personal assistant to President Franklin Roosevelt, Lauchlin Currie, warned the KGB that the FBI had started an investigation of one of the Soviets' key American agents, Gregory Silvermaster. This warning allowed Silvermaster, who headed a highly productive espionage ring, to escape detection and continue spying. Maurice Halperin, the head of a research section of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), then America's chief intelligence arm, turned over hundreds of pages of secret American diplomatic cables to the KGB. William Perl, a brilliant young government aeronautical scientist, provided the Soviets with the results of the highly secret tests and design experiments for American jet engines and jet aircraft. His betrayal assisted the Soviet Union in quickly overcoming the American technological lead in the development of jets. In the Korean War, U.S. military leaders expected the Air Force to dominate the skies, on the assumption that the Soviet aircraft used by North Korea and Communist China would be no match for American aircraft. They were shocked when Soviet MiG-15 jet fighters not only flew rings around U.S. propeller-driven aircraft but were conspicuously superior to the first generation of American jets as well. Only the hurried deployment of America's newest jet fighter, the F-86 Saber, allowed the United States to match the technological capabilities of the MiG-15. The Air Force prevailed, owing more to the skill of American pilots than to the design of American aircraft.

Venona

Nobody gives a shit that they were hunting spies. Good for them. So they should have. What McCarthyism was, was a witch hunt. There were no checks and balances. The irony in this windbag, revisionist OP is that the things that McCarthy and all you other right-wing loons on this board are advocating is exactly how the Soviet Union was run. Guilty by association; throwing people to the dogs based on rumour and innuendo. And you whackadoodles are always accusing others of being anti-America yadda, yadda yadda when I'm hard pressed to find anything more unAmerican that the type of shit McCarthy got up to.

Laughable....actually hillarious how some dupe of the media can display such ignorance.

Checks and Balances......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa It is rare to see such rampant stupidity even on this board.

Anyhow....can you tell all of us exactly who was thrown to the dogs? I mean besides Senator Joe McCarthy American Hero.

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Excellent question.

 

[bripat9643]

Venona
Decoding Soviet Espionage in America



By 1948 the accumulating evidence from other decoded Venona cables showed that the Soviets had recruited spies in virtually every major American government agency of military or diplomatic importance. American authorities learned that since 1942 the United States had been the target of a Soviet espionage onslaught involving dozens of professional Soviet intelligence officers and hundreds of Americans, many of whom were members of the American Communist party (CPUSA). The deciphered cables of the Venona Project identify 349 citizens, immigrants, and permanent residents of the United States who had had a covert relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies (see appendix A). Further, American cryptanalysts in the Venona Project deciphered only a fraction of the Soviet intelligence traffic, so it was only logical to conclude that many additional agents were discussed in the thousands of unread messages. Some were identified from other sources, such as defectors' testimony and the confessions of Soviet spies (see appendix B).

The deciphered Venona messages also showed that a disturbing number of high-ranking U.S. government officials consciously maintained a clandestine relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies and had passed extraordinarily sensitive information to the Soviet Union that had seriously damaged American interests. Harry White--the second most powerful official in the U.S. Treasury Department, one of the most influential officials in the government, and part of the American delegation at the founding of the United Nations--had advised the KGB about how American diplomatic strategy could be frustrated. A trusted personal assistant to President Franklin Roosevelt, Lauchlin Currie, warned the KGB that the FBI had started an investigation of one of the Soviets' key American agents, Gregory Silvermaster. This warning allowed Silvermaster, who headed a highly productive espionage ring, to escape detection and continue spying. Maurice Halperin, the head of a research section of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), then America's chief intelligence arm, turned over hundreds of pages of secret American diplomatic cables to the KGB. William Perl, a brilliant young government aeronautical scientist, provided the Soviets with the results of the highly secret tests and design experiments for American jet engines and jet aircraft. His betrayal assisted the Soviet Union in quickly overcoming the American technological lead in the development of jets. In the Korean War, U.S. military leaders expected the Air Force to dominate the skies, on the assumption that the Soviet aircraft used by North Korea and Communist China would be no match for American aircraft. They were shocked when Soviet MiG-15 jet fighters not only flew rings around U.S. propeller-driven aircraft but were conspicuously superior to the first generation of American jets as well. Only the hurried deployment of America's newest jet fighter, the F-86 Saber, allowed the United States to match the technological capabilities of the MiG-15. The Air Force prevailed, owing more to the skill of American pilots than to the design of American aircraft.

Venona

Nobody gives a shit that they were hunting spies. Good for them. So they should have. What McCarthyism was, was a witch hunt. There were no checks and balances. The irony in this windbag, revisionist OP is that the things that McCarthy and all you other right-wing loons on this board are advocating is exactly how the Soviet Union was run. Guilty by association; throwing people to the dogs based on rumour and innuendo. And you whackadoodles are always accusing others of being anti-America yadda, yadda yadda when I'm hard pressed to find anything more unAmerican that the type of shit McCarthy got up to.

Laughable....actually hillarious how some dupe of the media can display such ignorance.

Checks and Balances......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa It is rare to see such rampant stupidity even on this board.

Anyhow....can you tell all of us exactly who was thrown to the dogs? I mean besides Senator Joe McCarthy American Hero.

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Excellent question.

Contrary to what Dr Gump believes, they have no right to a sensitive government job.

 

[Dr Grump]

Laughable....actually hillarious how some dupe of the media can display such ignorance.

Checks and Balances......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa It is rare to see such rampant stupidity even on this board.

Anyhow....can you tell all of us exactly who was thrown to the dogs? I mean besides Senator Joe McCarthy American Hero.


No matter how much evidence vindicating the late Sen. Joe McCarthy comes out, what we call McCarthyism remains anathema in American life. Simply to utter the word is to deep-freeze debate, even thought itself. Even as we learn about the history-changing extent to which American traitors working for the Kremlin penetrated and subverted the U.S. government (including many individuals investigated by McCarthy), the unsupportable fact remains that nothing in American public life is worse than to be compared to the man best-known for his uncompromising fight against the secret, massive assault on our nation. When will we realize it's time to make amends and honor his memory?
Thank Joe McCarthy, don't demonize him - WND

RATFLMAO!!!!

You funny..

WorldNetDaily is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right as well as politically conservative.

 

[Dr Grump]

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Who cares about the spies. I'm more interested in those caught up in the witch hunt who have done nothing. BTW, just so you know, it's not illegal to be a communists in the US. It never has been. Morons. The both of you.

 

[MacTheKnife]

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Who cares about the spies. I'm more interested in those caught up in the witch hunt who have done nothing. BTW, just so you know, it's not illegal to be a communists in the US. It never has been. Morons. The both of you.

You were asked before and I ask you again give us some names of people you claim were caught up in the witch-hunt....you must have a list. hehheh How many names on your list???

 

[MacTheKnife]

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Who cares about the spies. I'm more interested in those caught up in the witch hunt who have done nothing. BTW, just so you know, it's not illegal to be a communists in the US. It never has been. Morons. The both of you.

The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation, signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954, which outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.

 

[Dale Smith]

Laughable....actually hillarious how some dupe of the media can display such ignorance.

Checks and Balances......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa It is rare to see such rampant stupidity even on this board.

Anyhow....can you tell all of us exactly who was thrown to the dogs? I mean besides Senator Joe McCarthy American Hero.


No matter how much evidence vindicating the late Sen. Joe McCarthy comes out, what we call McCarthyism remains anathema in American life. Simply to utter the word is to deep-freeze debate, even thought itself. Even as we learn about the history-changing extent to which American traitors working for the Kremlin penetrated and subverted the U.S. government (including many individuals investigated by McCarthy), the unsupportable fact remains that nothing in American public life is worse than to be compared to the man best-known for his uncompromising fight against the secret, massive assault on our nation. When will we realize it's time to make amends and honor his memory?
Thank Joe McCarthy, don't demonize him - WND

RATFLMAO!!!!

You funny..

WorldNetDaily is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right as well as politically conservative.

Suck it hard.....you know, like you always do......

(snicker)

Venona

 

[Dr Grump]

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Who cares about the spies. I'm more interested in those caught up in the witch hunt who have done nothing. BTW, just so you know, it's not illegal to be a communists in the US. It never has been. Morons. The both of you.

The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation, signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954, which outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.

The Act has since been ruled unconstitutional in federal court but has not been ruled on in the Supreme Court and has never been enforced.

 

[Dr Grump]

Suck it hard.....you know, like you always do......

(snicker)

Venona

Oh Lookie. The guy with the tin foil hat has graced us with his presence.

 

[Dr Grump]

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Who cares about the spies. I'm more interested in those caught up in the witch hunt who have done nothing. BTW, just so you know, it's not illegal to be a communists in the US. It never has been. Morons. The both of you.

You were asked before and I ask you again give us some names of people you claim were caught up in the witch-hunt....you must have a list. hehheh How many names on your list???

Hollywood blacklist - Wikipedia

 

[MacTheKnife]

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Who cares about the spies. I'm more interested in those caught up in the witch hunt who have done nothing. BTW, just so you know, it's not illegal to be a communists in the US. It never has been. Morons. The both of you.

You were asked before and I ask you again give us some names of people you claim were caught up in the witch-hunt....you must have a list. hehheh How many names on your list???

Hollywood blacklist - Wikipedia[/QUOTE

Well, if you want to think any of these folks suffered then blame hollywood...not Senator Joe McCarthy.

Anyhow hollywood has long been recognized as a propaganda tool for the politically correct, leftwingers, communists, socialists and democrats.

Joe McCarthy and the Hollywood blacklist have nothing to do with each other. The blacklisting came as a result of the House Un-American Activities Committee hearings that were held. Joe McCarthy, though anti-Communist, was a Senator. No Senator was a part of what was the HOUSE's committee. What he did and what the House committee did often are, wrongly, mixed together as one.

• The House's Un-American Activities Committee was first formed to investigate Nazi propaganda and fascist plots in the United States (in the late 1930s). It wasn't until 1947 that hearings were held to investigate Communism in Hollywood and more.
  
  Try again boyo....you do realize by all your false statements your credibilty has been severely undermined. But keep it up. It is quite fun skewering ignorant liberals. hehheh

Not even to mention most of those folks on that list had quite successful careers and made tons of money.....but go ahead and weep for them whilst you ignore those who truly suffered back then and at the present time. Liberals are good at that.

The Republican party is, despite the conventional wisdom, the party that cares about those in need and puts its money where its mouth is....as in it has been documented that republicans give more to charity than democrats.

Republicans Give More to Charity Than Democrats, but There’s a Bigger Story Here

Here is something else that the Sanctimonious Socialist/communistic democrats and liberals are quite good at ignoring.

Communist Body Count

 

[bripat9643]

Laughable....actually hillarious how some dupe of the media can display such ignorance.

Checks and Balances......bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa It is rare to see such rampant stupidity even on this board.

Anyhow....can you tell all of us exactly who was thrown to the dogs? I mean besides Senator Joe McCarthy American Hero.


No matter how much evidence vindicating the late Sen. Joe McCarthy comes out, what we call McCarthyism remains anathema in American life. Simply to utter the word is to deep-freeze debate, even thought itself. Even as we learn about the history-changing extent to which American traitors working for the Kremlin penetrated and subverted the U.S. government (including many individuals investigated by McCarthy), the unsupportable fact remains that nothing in American public life is worse than to be compared to the man best-known for his uncompromising fight against the secret, massive assault on our nation. When will we realize it's time to make amends and honor his memory?
Thank Joe McCarthy, don't demonize him - WND

RATFLMAO!!!!

You funny..

WorldNetDaily is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right as well as politically conservative.

You're an imbecile, of course. Labeling some source as "far right" does not prove that it's wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Who cares about the spies. I'm more interested in those caught up in the witch hunt who have done nothing. BTW, just so you know, it's not illegal to be a communists in the US. It never has been. Morons. The both of you.

You were asked before and I ask you again give us some names of people you claim were caught up in the witch-hunt....you must have a list. hehheh How many names on your list???

Hollywood blacklist - Wikipedia

What makes you believe these Hollywood people were innocent? Was Zero Mastel innocent? No, he was a communist.

 

[bripat9643]

Suck it hard.....you know, like you always do......

(snicker)

Venona

Oh Lookie. The guy with the tin foil hat has graced us with his presence.

By "tin foil hat" you mean the facts.

 

[bripat9643]

So what's the proper "balance" between national security and the rights of communist spies?

Who cares about the spies. I'm more interested in those caught up in the witch hunt who have done nothing. BTW, just so you know, it's not illegal to be a communists in the US. It never has been. Morons. The both of you.

Yes, we know you are fond of communists. What they did is work in sensitive positions in the government while taking orders from Moscow. Staling was directly in charge of the CPUSA, and these people were members of that organization.

 

[Flopper]

Venona
Decoding Soviet Espionage in America



By 1948 the accumulating evidence from other decoded Venona cables showed that the Soviets had recruited spies in virtually every major American government agency of military or diplomatic importance. American authorities learned that since 1942 the United States had been the target of a Soviet espionage onslaught involving dozens of professional Soviet intelligence officers and hundreds of Americans, many of whom were members of the American Communist party (CPUSA). The deciphered cables of the Venona Project identify 349 citizens, immigrants, and permanent residents of the United States who had had a covert relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies (see appendix A). Further, American cryptanalysts in the Venona Project deciphered only a fraction of the Soviet intelligence traffic, so it was only logical to conclude that many additional agents were discussed in the thousands of unread messages. Some were identified from other sources, such as defectors' testimony and the confessions of Soviet spies (see appendix B).

The deciphered Venona messages also showed that a disturbing number of high-ranking U.S. government officials consciously maintained a clandestine relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies and had passed extraordinarily sensitive information to the Soviet Union that had seriously damaged American interests. Harry White--the second most powerful official in the U.S. Treasury Department, one of the most influential officials in the government, and part of the American delegation at the founding of the United Nations--had advised the KGB about how American diplomatic strategy could be frustrated. A trusted personal assistant to President Franklin Roosevelt, Lauchlin Currie, warned the KGB that the FBI had started an investigation of one of the Soviets' key American agents, Gregory Silvermaster. This warning allowed Silvermaster, who headed a highly productive espionage ring, to escape detection and continue spying. Maurice Halperin, the head of a research section of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), then America's chief intelligence arm, turned over hundreds of pages of secret American diplomatic cables to the KGB. William Perl, a brilliant young government aeronautical scientist, provided the Soviets with the results of the highly secret tests and design experiments for American jet engines and jet aircraft. His betrayal assisted the Soviet Union in quickly overcoming the American technological lead in the development of jets. In the Korean War, U.S. military leaders expected the Air Force to dominate the skies, on the assumption that the Soviet aircraft used by North Korea and Communist China would be no match for American aircraft. They were shocked when Soviet MiG-15 jet fighters not only flew rings around U.S. propeller-driven aircraft but were conspicuously superior to the first generation of American jets as well. Only the hurried deployment of America's newest jet fighter, the F-86 Saber, allowed the United States to match the technological capabilities of the MiG-15. The Air Force prevailed, owing more to the skill of American pilots than to the design of American aircraft.

Venona

Nobody gives a shit that they were hunting spies. Good for them. So they should have. What McCarthyism was, was a witch hunt. There were no checks and balances. The irony in this windbag, revisionist OP is that the things that McCarthy and all you other right-wing loons on this board are advocating is exactly how the Soviet Union was run. Guilty by association; throwing people to the dogs based on rumour and innuendo. And you whackadoodles are always accusing others of being anti-America yadda, yadda yadda when I'm hard pressed to find anything more unAmerican that the type of shit McCarthy got up to.

You notice, none of these people try too defend McCarthy's methods because if they did, they would be defending the methods used by the Communists and Nazis. Right wing fanatics are the first to defend the constitution and the first the violate it.

 

[bripat9643]

Venona
Decoding Soviet Espionage in America



By 1948 the accumulating evidence from other decoded Venona cables showed that the Soviets had recruited spies in virtually every major American government agency of military or diplomatic importance. American authorities learned that since 1942 the United States had been the target of a Soviet espionage onslaught involving dozens of professional Soviet intelligence officers and hundreds of Americans, many of whom were members of the American Communist party (CPUSA). The deciphered cables of the Venona Project identify 349 citizens, immigrants, and permanent residents of the United States who had had a covert relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies (see appendix A). Further, American cryptanalysts in the Venona Project deciphered only a fraction of the Soviet intelligence traffic, so it was only logical to conclude that many additional agents were discussed in the thousands of unread messages. Some were identified from other sources, such as defectors' testimony and the confessions of Soviet spies (see appendix B).

The deciphered Venona messages also showed that a disturbing number of high-ranking U.S. government officials consciously maintained a clandestine relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies and had passed extraordinarily sensitive information to the Soviet Union that had seriously damaged American interests. Harry White--the second most powerful official in the U.S. Treasury Department, one of the most influential officials in the government, and part of the American delegation at the founding of the United Nations--had advised the KGB about how American diplomatic strategy could be frustrated. A trusted personal assistant to President Franklin Roosevelt, Lauchlin Currie, warned the KGB that the FBI had started an investigation of one of the Soviets' key American agents, Gregory Silvermaster. This warning allowed Silvermaster, who headed a highly productive espionage ring, to escape detection and continue spying. Maurice Halperin, the head of a research section of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), then America's chief intelligence arm, turned over hundreds of pages of secret American diplomatic cables to the KGB. William Perl, a brilliant young government aeronautical scientist, provided the Soviets with the results of the highly secret tests and design experiments for American jet engines and jet aircraft. His betrayal assisted the Soviet Union in quickly overcoming the American technological lead in the development of jets. In the Korean War, U.S. military leaders expected the Air Force to dominate the skies, on the assumption that the Soviet aircraft used by North Korea and Communist China would be no match for American aircraft. They were shocked when Soviet MiG-15 jet fighters not only flew rings around U.S. propeller-driven aircraft but were conspicuously superior to the first generation of American jets as well. Only the hurried deployment of America's newest jet fighter, the F-86 Saber, allowed the United States to match the technological capabilities of the MiG-15. The Air Force prevailed, owing more to the skill of American pilots than to the design of American aircraft.

Venona

Nobody gives a shit that they were hunting spies. Good for them. So they should have. What McCarthyism was, was a witch hunt. There were no checks and balances. The irony in this windbag, revisionist OP is that the things that McCarthy and all you other right-wing loons on this board are advocating is exactly how the Soviet Union was run. Guilty by association; throwing people to the dogs based on rumour and innuendo. And you whackadoodles are always accusing others of being anti-America yadda, yadda yadda when I'm hard pressed to find anything more unAmerican that the type of shit McCarthy got up to.

You notice, none of these people try too defend McCarthy's methods because if they did, they would be defending the methods used by the Communists and Nazis. Right wing fanatics are the first to defend the constitution and the first the violate it.

His "methods?" You mean having hearings in the Senate? Doesn't that make your heroes Adolph Shiffler, Nadless and Piglosi a bunch of McCarthyites?

 

[MacTheKnife]

Venona
Decoding Soviet Espionage in America



By 1948 the accumulating evidence from other decoded Venona cables showed that the Soviets had recruited spies in virtually every major American government agency of military or diplomatic importance. American authorities learned that since 1942 the United States had been the target of a Soviet espionage onslaught involving dozens of professional Soviet intelligence officers and hundreds of Americans, many of whom were members of the American Communist party (CPUSA). The deciphered cables of the Venona Project identify 349 citizens, immigrants, and permanent residents of the United States who had had a covert relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies (see appendix A). Further, American cryptanalysts in the Venona Project deciphered only a fraction of the Soviet intelligence traffic, so it was only logical to conclude that many additional agents were discussed in the thousands of unread messages. Some were identified from other sources, such as defectors' testimony and the confessions of Soviet spies (see appendix B).

The deciphered Venona messages also showed that a disturbing number of high-ranking U.S. government officials consciously maintained a clandestine relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies and had passed extraordinarily sensitive information to the Soviet Union that had seriously damaged American interests. Harry White--the second most powerful official in the U.S. Treasury Department, one of the most influential officials in the government, and part of the American delegation at the founding of the United Nations--had advised the KGB about how American diplomatic strategy could be frustrated. A trusted personal assistant to President Franklin Roosevelt, Lauchlin Currie, warned the KGB that the FBI had started an investigation of one of the Soviets' key American agents, Gregory Silvermaster. This warning allowed Silvermaster, who headed a highly productive espionage ring, to escape detection and continue spying. Maurice Halperin, the head of a research section of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), then America's chief intelligence arm, turned over hundreds of pages of secret American diplomatic cables to the KGB. William Perl, a brilliant young government aeronautical scientist, provided the Soviets with the results of the highly secret tests and design experiments for American jet engines and jet aircraft. His betrayal assisted the Soviet Union in quickly overcoming the American technological lead in the development of jets. In the Korean War, U.S. military leaders expected the Air Force to dominate the skies, on the assumption that the Soviet aircraft used by North Korea and Communist China would be no match for American aircraft. They were shocked when Soviet MiG-15 jet fighters not only flew rings around U.S. propeller-driven aircraft but were conspicuously superior to the first generation of American jets as well. Only the hurried deployment of America's newest jet fighter, the F-86 Saber, allowed the United States to match the technological capabilities of the MiG-15. The Air Force prevailed, owing more to the skill of American pilots than to the design of American aircraft.

Venona

Nobody gives a shit that they were hunting spies. Good for them. So they should have. What McCarthyism was, was a witch hunt. There were no checks and balances. The irony in this windbag, revisionist OP is that the things that McCarthy and all you other right-wing loons on this board are advocating is exactly how the Soviet Union was run. Guilty by association; throwing people to the dogs based on rumour and innuendo. And you whackadoodles are always accusing others of being anti-America yadda, yadda yadda when I'm hard pressed to find anything more unAmerican that the type of shit McCarthy got up to.

You notice, none of these people try too defend McCarthy's methods because if they did, they would be defending the methods used by the Communists and Nazis. Right wing fanatics are the first to defend the constitution and the first the violate it.

His "methods?" You mean having hearings in the Senate? Doesn't that make your heroes Adolph Shiffler, Nadless and Piglosi a bunch of McCarthyites?

hehheh take it easy on the liberal...i think he is very fragile.

After years and years of lapping up the liberal narrative...I think he is beginning to see a lil bit of truth now...must be very hard on him.

 

[bripat9643]

Venona
Decoding Soviet Espionage in America



By 1948 the accumulating evidence from other decoded Venona cables showed that the Soviets had recruited spies in virtually every major American government agency of military or diplomatic importance. American authorities learned that since 1942 the United States had been the target of a Soviet espionage onslaught involving dozens of professional Soviet intelligence officers and hundreds of Americans, many of whom were members of the American Communist party (CPUSA). The deciphered cables of the Venona Project identify 349 citizens, immigrants, and permanent residents of the United States who had had a covert relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies (see appendix A). Further, American cryptanalysts in the Venona Project deciphered only a fraction of the Soviet intelligence traffic, so it was only logical to conclude that many additional agents were discussed in the thousands of unread messages. Some were identified from other sources, such as defectors' testimony and the confessions of Soviet spies (see appendix B).

The deciphered Venona messages also showed that a disturbing number of high-ranking U.S. government officials consciously maintained a clandestine relationship with Soviet intelligence agencies and had passed extraordinarily sensitive information to the Soviet Union that had seriously damaged American interests. Harry White--the second most powerful official in the U.S. Treasury Department, one of the most influential officials in the government, and part of the American delegation at the founding of the United Nations--had advised the KGB about how American diplomatic strategy could be frustrated. A trusted personal assistant to President Franklin Roosevelt, Lauchlin Currie, warned the KGB that the FBI had started an investigation of one of the Soviets' key American agents, Gregory Silvermaster. This warning allowed Silvermaster, who headed a highly productive espionage ring, to escape detection and continue spying. Maurice Halperin, the head of a research section of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), then America's chief intelligence arm, turned over hundreds of pages of secret American diplomatic cables to the KGB. William Perl, a brilliant young government aeronautical scientist, provided the Soviets with the results of the highly secret tests and design experiments for American jet engines and jet aircraft. His betrayal assisted the Soviet Union in quickly overcoming the American technological lead in the development of jets. In the Korean War, U.S. military leaders expected the Air Force to dominate the skies, on the assumption that the Soviet aircraft used by North Korea and Communist China would be no match for American aircraft. They were shocked when Soviet MiG-15 jet fighters not only flew rings around U.S. propeller-driven aircraft but were conspicuously superior to the first generation of American jets as well. Only the hurried deployment of America's newest jet fighter, the F-86 Saber, allowed the United States to match the technological capabilities of the MiG-15. The Air Force prevailed, owing more to the skill of American pilots than to the design of American aircraft.

Venona

Nobody gives a shit that they were hunting spies. Good for them. So they should have. What McCarthyism was, was a witch hunt. There were no checks and balances. The irony in this windbag, revisionist OP is that the things that McCarthy and all you other right-wing loons on this board are advocating is exactly how the Soviet Union was run. Guilty by association; throwing people to the dogs based on rumour and innuendo. And you whackadoodles are always accusing others of being anti-America yadda, yadda yadda when I'm hard pressed to find anything more unAmerican that the type of shit McCarthy got up to.

You notice, none of these people try too defend McCarthy's methods because if they did, they would be defending the methods used by the Communists and Nazis. Right wing fanatics are the first to defend the constitution and the first the violate it.

His "methods?" You mean having hearings in the Senate? Doesn't that make your heroes Adolph Shiffler, Nadless and Piglosi a bunch of McCarthyites?

hehheh take it easy on the liberal...i think he is very fragile.

After years and years of lapping up the liberal narrative...I think he is beginning to see a lil bit of truth now...must be very hard on him.

Flopper, see the truth? His brain is pickled in the TDS Koolaid.

 

[Cecilie1200]

In the forty years following the Russian Revolution of October 1917, communism was the most dynamic force in American left-wing politics


In the 1950's many democratic and elitist liberal republican Washington politicians and government workers had connections in their past with communism.

As has been pointed out previously...many Americans became enamoured with communism during the great depression followed by our alliance with Russia to fight German Nazism which added further reason for many in Washington...even members of the military....to be soft on communism or if not somehow personally involved had friends and relatives and other associates who were.

Our universities were ripe recruiting grounds for the communist internationale....many succumbed to the notion that communism had something to offer.

However, the American people finally woke to the barbaric reality of communism after WWII was over...and the people.....(not to include the elitists, academians and members of the msm) began to understand the threat communsim posed to liberty.

Thus those who had something in their history regarding communism felt threatened when the tide turned against communism.....and they did their best to hide their history and were quite fearful of being exposed.

Then along came Senator McCarthy who began to do exactly that.

Thus these people who had something to hide and much to fear ....organized and began to demonize to the best of their ability Senator McCarthy and his drive to rid our government and military of communists and communist sympathizers.

With the help of the media they were very successful at creating the myth of McCarthyism that has endured to this day.

Not even to mention that the front-runner in the democratic partys nomination process is for all intents and purposes --a communist--as has even been pointed out by Bill Clintons top advisor.

Carville fires back at Sanders for 'hack' slam: 'At least I'm not a communist'

Communism in the United States | Jewish Women's Archive

It is interesting that you consider Sander's a communist. I suspect that you are old enough that you consider socialism as synonymous with communism, totalitarianism, and the end democracy.

Sander's is most popular with the young, those under 40. They grew up without fear of annihilation by the Red Menace in a world in which runaway capitalism was a far greater danger than creeping socialism. They envy the socialist countries in Europe where kids go to college without being saddled by a lifetime of debt, where healthcare is a right not just for those that can afford it, and the quality of life is not measure by the size of a bank account.

So you admit that Sanders only appeals to people who are too young to understand what he's really talking about.