The Muslim mass exodus has begun

[protectionist]

Interestingly in various parts of Europe conquered by the Ottomans, the ordinary people often regarded their new overlords as a marked improvement on the previous Christian ones.

About as likely as the cow who jumped over the moon.
Especially for women.

 

[Hypatia415]

About as likely as the cow who jumped over the moon.
Especially for women.

Do you think Christian women had a particularly liberated life in sixteenth century Europe?

 

[Hypatia415]

You won't find wife beating, slavery, and animal cruelty as definitive in other cultures as it is in Islam.

You will in Christianity.

And you won't find them in books of other cultures that advocate (if not command) them, as the word of God.

If you're going to come in here and try to equate Islam with the non- Islamic world, that is about the most idiotic thing I've ever seen in 13 years in this forum, and I can tell you you're going to be waging a distinctly LOSING BATTLE.

I realise I am exchanging comments with bigots and not very well informed individuals.

 

[Hypatia415]

As I stated in post # 16. But so what ?

Those are some of the benefits the west got from the east.

 

[Lisa558]

Interestingly in various parts of Europe conquered by the Ottomans, the ordinary people often regarded their new overlords as a marked improvement on the previous Christian ones.

Nor were non Muslims forced to convert because non Muslims paid a higher rate of tax.

As for wife beating, slavery, and animal cruelty they are hardly unique to Islam and Muslims.

Well certainly the 21% of Muslims who make up Israel’s citizenry recognize how much better life is in Israel for Muslims than it backward Arab countries.

 

[Hypatia415]

Well certainly the 21% of Muslims who make up Israel’s citizenry recognize how much better life is in Israel for Muslims than it backward Arab countries.

While they have citizenship, the right to vote, access to the courts along with public health and education there are systemic disparities and conditions that often disadvantage Arab Israeli citizens.

A somewhat tentative comparison might be made with Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland in the 1960s, although unlike the Catholics, the Arab Israelis are not the majority.

 

[Lisa558]

You will in Christianity.

I realise I am exchanging comments with bigots and not very well informed individuals.

No, it sounds as though you are a leftist who jumps in to defend Islamists. I can tell you that we have a large population of them here in my liberal area, and antisemitism is skyrocketing. It’s especially bad at the schools*, where bullying and assaults on Jewish kids are so bad that parents are pulling them out and putting them in the Jewish Day School.

* It was near the high school, with at least 25% of the students Muslim, where Arabs and their leftist anti-Israel supporters were marching around yelling “Death to Jews!”

There is a noted correlation between the rise in the Muslim population and antisemitic crimes.

 

[Lisa558]

While they have citizenship, the right to vote, access to the courts along with public health and education there are systemic disparities and conditions that often disadvantage Arab Israeli citizens.

A somewhat tentative comparison might be made with Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland in the 1960s, although unlike the Catholics, the Arab Israelis are not the majority.

They have it a lot better than they would in the Arab countries around Israel - Egypt, Sudan, Jordan, etc. etc.

 

[Lisa558]

Do you think Christian women had a particularly liberated life in sixteenth century Europe?

Do you think the Christian women were better off when the Islamists conquered them (throughout the Middle East) in the 7th century? Islam is a very backward religion.

 

[Hypatia415]

They have it a lot better than they would in the Arab countries around Israel - Egypt, Sudan, Jordan, etc. etc.

No, it sounds as though you are a leftist who jumps in to defend Islamists.

No I am not I detest fanatical Muslims as much as I detest any other fanatics. However, I find this pronounced tendency to broadbrush all Muslims repellent.

Should I do the same with Americans and claim that every single citizen is just an uneducated RW fundamentalist nut job?

A claim that is patently false!

There is a noted correlation between the rise in the Muslim population and antisemitic crimes.

There is also this:

What do anti-Jewish hate, anti-Muslim hate have in common? — Harvard Gazette

Researchers scrutinize various facets of these types of bias, and note sometimes they both reside within the same person.

news.harvard.edu

Anti-Jewish hate is often connected to anti-Muslim hate, said political scientist Nazita Lajevardi, and she has the data to prove it.

“Our research … finds that there is a group of people who not only agree that Muslims contribute to all problems in American society, but who also agree that Jews contribute to all problems in American society,” she said.

Lajevardi laid out the evidence during the “Pernicious Prejudice: Scholarly Approaches to Antisemitism and Islamophobia” panel last week at Tsai Auditorium. Part of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences initiative on civil discourse, the conversation featured four experts on these forms of animus. The event was hosted by Melani Cammett, Clarence Dillon Professor of International Affairs in the Department of Government and director of the Weatherhead Center for International Affairs, which co-sponsored the event.
And this: Rising Numbers of Americans Say Jews and Muslims Face a Lot of Discrimination

The share of U.S. adults who say there is a lot of discrimination against Jews in our society has doubled in the last three years, according to a new Pew Research Center survey, jumping from 20% in 2021 to 40% today. A somewhat larger share – 44% – say Muslims face a lot of discrimination, up 5 percentage points since 2021.

 

[Hypatia415]

Do you think the Christian women were better off when the Islamists conquered them (throughout the Middle East) in the 7th century? Islam is a very backward religion.

Ah a deflection.

Christianity in many of its manifestations is hardly progressive, as the thread I started on the attempts of some Christian men to remove the right to vote from women illustrated. How about the late Mr Kirk's notion that a woman should submit to her husband or that women should give up their careers, marry a Godly man (whatever that is) and just breed?

Then there is the attitude to women among various ultra-orthodox Jewish sects.

Do you want to consider all that?

 

[Lisa558]

No I am not I detest fanatical Muslims as much as I detest any other fanatics. However, I find this pronounced tendency to broadbrush all Muslims repellent.

Should I do the same with Americans and claim that every single citizen is just an uneducated RW fundamentalist nut job?

A claim that is patently false!

There is also this:

What do anti-Jewish hate, anti-Muslim hate have in common? — Harvard Gazette

Researchers scrutinize various facets of these types of bias, and note sometimes they both reside within the same person.

news.harvard.edu

Anti-Jewish hate is often connected to anti-Muslim hate, said political scientist Nazita Lajevardi, and she has the data to prove it.

“Our research … finds that there is a group of people who not only agree that Muslims contribute to all problems in American society, but who also agree that Jews contribute to all problems in American society,” she said.

Lajevardi laid out the evidence during the “Pernicious Prejudice: Scholarly Approaches to Antisemitism and Islamophobia” panel last week at Tsai Auditorium. Part of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences initiative on civil discourse, the conversation featured four experts on these forms of animus. The event was hosted by Melani Cammett, Clarence Dillon Professor of International Affairs in the Department of Government and director of the Weatherhead Center for International Affairs, which co-sponsored the event.
And this: Rising Numbers of Americans Say Jews and Muslims Face a Lot of Discrimination

The share of U.S. adults who say there is a lot of discrimination against Jews in our society has doubled in the last three years, according to a new Pew Research Center survey, jumping from 20% in 2021 to 40% today. A somewhat larger share – 44% – say Muslims face a lot of discrimination, up 5 percentage points since 2021.

Yes, I know there’s a lot of hate - and most of it is directed against Jews. In fact, Jews are almost 3x as likely to be victims of hate crimes than blacks, and still.,…we have liberals crying about racism while simultaneously advancing anti-Jew rhetoric.

There’s a horrific double standard going on on your side - and it’s the official level, and they’re not even trying to hide it. It’s so bad that Democrats voted in a Nazi for Maine senator, and presidents of liberal colleges refuse to condemn the calls to genocide Jews.

 

[Lisa558]

Ah a deflection.

Christianity in many of its manifestations is hardly progressive, as the thread I started on the attempts of some Christian men to remove the right to vote from women illustrated. How about the late Mr Kirk's notion that a woman should submit to her husband or that women should give up their careers, marry a Godly man (whatever that is) and just breed?

Then there is the attitude to women among various ultra-orthodox Jewish sects.

Do you want to consider all that?

No comparison between the Islamic treatment of women and the ultra-Orthodox treatment of women. In Judaism, women are valued for their important role, and the men are told to listen to their wives and respect their opinion. In Islam, the women are property and girls get their clits cut off.

 

[Dragonlady]

1. Vote out any Muslim politicians you have in power
2. Don't give social welfare freebies to Muslims (when that stops, they leave)
3. If Muslims are self-deporting give them assistance - even financial if necessary

So you don't believe in the First Amendment or freedom of religion. How very un-American of you.

I find it amusing that broadcasting a "call to prayer" is so offensive to MAGA. Every Sunday, we used to hear church bells in our town, calling everyone to church. I don't recall ANYONE saying how disruptive or horrible the church bells are to people trying to sleep in on Sunday morning. Or demanding that this affront to their being stop.

But I am truly shocked to the core that American has deteriorated to this point.

 

[Hypatia415]

No comparison between the Islamic treatment of women and the ultra-Orthodox treatment of women.

Have you read Deborah Feldman's 2012 memoir, Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots?

She had to endure enforced "customs" that included rules on what she could wear, to whom she could speak, and what books she was permitted to read. There is also the New York based group Footsteps. Its Mission Statement:

Footsteps supports, affirms, and advocates for individuals and families who have left, or are contemplating leaving, ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in their quest to lead self-determined lives, and creates conditions that further their agency and independence.

In Islam, the women are property

Rather like the late Mr Kirk's view of women then? Submit to your husband, do not have a career, and just breed.

and girls get their clits cut off.

In African societies some anthropologists have suggested that the practice predates the introduction of any of the major religions and was originally adopted as a form of tribal identification as well as a way to ensure chastity. It is practised in some Islamic societies but not all.

However, as with all patriarchal religions, including Judaism and Christianity, there is a core belief in controlling women.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yes, I know there’s a lot of hate - and most of it is directed against Jews. In fact, Jews are almost 3x as likely to be victims of hate crimes than blacks, and still.,…we have liberals crying about racism while simultaneously advancing anti-Jew rhetoric.

There’s a horrific double standard going on on your side - and it’s the official level, and they’re not even trying to hide it. It’s so bad that Democrats voted in a Nazi for Maine senator, and presidents of liberal colleges refuse to condemn the calls to genocide Jews.

I find it laughable that you're decrying the hatred of Jews, while voting MAGA candidates who are carrying NAZI flags. The Tree of Life shooter was inspired by Trump to kill Jews.

Trump is having dinner with Nick Fuentes at the White House, and you're still voting for him.

And you're still hating on non-whites. You're a mess Lisa.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I have no desire to travel to the US at present. My American relatives understand that.

Are they in Anne Arbor?

 

[Lisa558]

Have you read Deborah Feldman's 2012 memoir, Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots?

She had to endure enforced "customs" that included rules on what she could wear, to whom she could speak, and what books she was permitted to read. There is also the New York based group Footsteps. Its Mission Statement:

Footsteps supports, affirms, and advocates for individuals and families who have left, or are contemplating leaving, ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities in their quest to lead self-determined lives, and creates conditions that further their agency and independence.



Rather like the late Mr Kirk's view of women then? Submit to your husband, do not have a career, and just breed.


In African societies some anthropologists have suggested that the practice predates the introduction of any of the major religions and was originally adopted as a form of tribal identification as well as a way to ensure chastity. It is practised in some Islamic societies but not all.

However, as with all patriarchal religions, including Judaism and Christianity, there is a core belief in controlling women.

NOTHING that compares to the barbarism that Islam condones with its treatment of women.

And the Orthodox women I know don’t feel “controlled.” They are loved and respected by their husbands, wear beautiful clothes, and have strong and wide support networks.

Nobody is stoning them, or forbidding them to leave the house unless a male relative accompanies them, the way Islamists do.

Sorry, but no comparison. You must be a leftist who jumps in to defend Islam, trying to show that the Jews and Christians are no better. You’re wrong.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I don't recall gangs of white men doing that, but I could be wrong. I certainly don't recall Britain's finest covering up for gangs of white groomers. If you know otherwise link it. The UK is a very sick society which alas has turned into a shithole.

You need to look at your own country first, highest number of serial killers and the highest absolute number of registered sex offenders.

 

[jacksonlamb]

You need to look at your own country first, highest number of serial killers and the highest absolute number of registered sex offenders.

No, we need to gut all women abusers and killers, regardless of race and religion and region.