The Math Proves Which Side To Support

[Cassandro]

Leadership.

Hamas is aggressively militant, and the Palestinian Authority is passively militant.

Why?

 

[Shusha]

Why?

Interpretations of colliding religious and political goals lean more to religious extremism in Gaza.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Why?

I think because Abbass has entrenched and enriched himself and doesn't want that gravy train to end.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

1. Some 2 million Muslims live within Israel's borders, and another 3 million in the West Bank, adjacent to Israel. Peacefully, at least not the conditions we see in Gaza, which elected the terrorists of Hamas.



2. How many Jews are allowed to live in Gaza. Or in the more pleasant confines of West Bank or Nazareth???




3 .... Israelis don't want to conquer Gaza. In fact, they left Gaza voluntarily in 2005.
And they don't want to wipe Gaza off the map. If they wanted that, they could have done it any time in the last several decades. With their advantage and firepower, they could do it now in a matter of weeks. And you should ask yourself why they don't. Hamas, on the
other hand, does want to conquer Israel and wipe it off the map. And they would be happy to do what they did on October 7th to the entire country.
That's what I mean when I say that the two sides in this war are not the same.
There is a huge moral asymmetry between them and that matters.



4. AI Overview
Hamas’s founding 1988 charter calls for the complete destruction of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in its place. It asserts that historic Palestine is an Islamic religious endowment (Waqf) and rejects any permanent peace or recognition of the Jewish state. [1, 2]




5.I have visited Christian holy sites and walked the stations of the cross in Jerusalem.
Israel protects the rights and views of all three religions, even turned the control of the upper wailing wall over to the Muslims.
Telling as well, is the fact that Israel has turned over authority of the over to the temple mount to the Waqf.....the Muslims.
Christians and Jews cannot pray or even bring a Bible....or wear a cross.
Israel represents the best of Western values, the only nation in the area that does.

Just Like the Golan Heights

You're backing the Jews into a corner and violating the laws of history. The only way for peace is to deport all Gazans and annex the territory for Israel. It's the same rational that Americans had to use to protect themselves from our own thrill-killing Stone Age tribes.

 

[gipper]

1. Some 2 million Muslims live within Israel's borders, and another 3 million in the West Bank, adjacent to Israel. Peacefully, at least not the conditions we see in Gaza, which elected the terrorists of Hamas.



2. How many Jews are allowed to live in Gaza. Or in the more pleasant confines of West Bank or Nazareth???




3 .... Israelis don't want to conquer Gaza. In fact, they left Gaza voluntarily in 2005.
And they don't want to wipe Gaza off the map. If they wanted that, they could have done it any time in the last several decades. With their advantage and firepower, they could do it now in a matter of weeks. And you should ask yourself why they don't. Hamas, on the
other hand, does want to conquer Israel and wipe it off the map. And they would be happy to do what they did on October 7th to the entire country.
That's what I mean when I say that the two sides in this war are not the same.
There is a huge moral asymmetry between them and that matters.



4. AI Overview
Hamas’s founding 1988 charter calls for the complete destruction of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in its place. It asserts that historic Palestine is an Islamic religious endowment (Waqf) and rejects any permanent peace or recognition of the Jewish state. [1, 2]




5.I have visited Christian holy sites and walked the stations of the cross in Jerusalem.
Israel protects the rights and views of all three religions, even turned the control of the upper wailing wall over to the Muslims.
Telling as well, is the fact that Israel has turned over authority of the over to the temple mount to the Waqf.....the Muslims.
Christians and Jews cannot pray or even bring a Bible....or wear a cross.
Israel represents the best of Western values, the only nation in the area that does.

Your beloved Zio/Nazi apartheid regime committing genocide is Gazafying Lebanon right now. Are you celebrating?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Just Like the Golan Heights

You're backing the Jews into a corner and violating the laws of history. The only way for peace is to deport all Gazans and annex the territory for Israel. It's the same rational that Americans had to use to protect themselves from our own thrill-killing Stone Age tribes.

Unfortunately, this is the only proposal that makes sense.

There are 2 billions Muslims who control 57 ethnostates spanning 10,000,000 square miles of land across three continents. Surely they can find a place for these people in their lands.

Israel, India, and Pakistan all took in their displaced peoples when each was partitioned. Only Arabs didn't. So now, they should. All Palestinians living in "camps" in those countries should become citizens of that country (Jordan in particular).

 

[EMH]

You don't believe 10/7 happened? Hamas recorded over 10,000 hours of footage of what they did that day. Is all that footage fake?


I'm for it. The more we all know the better.


That's hard for you to argue given the population in Gaza is pretty much the same as it was on 10/7, and Israel has withdrawn to the Yellow line as they agreed to in the ceasefire Hamas demanded.

Hamas was supposed to disarm as part of that ceasefire they agreed to, but have not done so. Every single day they don't is a violation of the ceasefire you all wanted.

The planned invasion was by Palestinians on 10/7.



Not even close. Arab armies were mobilizing on Israel's borders with Arab leaders saying they would "push the Jews into the sea". So Israel struck right before the Arabs' planned invasion and routed them. One to note, however, is that Israel did not target the civilian population at all. Very few Arab civilians died because the Arab armies weren't using human shields like Hamas does.

If Hamas wore uniforms and didn't hide behind civilians like the Arab armies did in 1967 and 1973, what would be the most likely outcome?



??? The movie or the book?


Just gonna stop ya there. Who is telling you what?


This is incomprehensible word salad.

^^^^^

This is exhibit A of the religious paper bag over the Fox Faux News parrot.



This is the CIA 67 war file...

https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/CIA-Analysis-1967-War.pdf

Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis—contrary to their claims—had fired first. ISRAEL LIED and was NOT attacked) President Johnson was gratified that because of CIA analyses and Helms’s tip, he could inform congressional leaders later in the day that he had been expecting Israel’s move.




and this is because Zionist Fascism

1. offed JFK to install Zionist Fascist Traitor LBJ
2. hate hoaxed Gulf of Tonkin
3. stole US weapons intended for Army and Marines in 'nam per LBJ enabling it
4. lied about being attacked and used that lie to invade, exterminate, and grab land


Then we got reports the IDF was exterminating the residents of Gaza. We sent the USS Liberty to investigate that...

The Most Incredible Story Never Told: LBJ’s Order to Destroy the USS Liberty

by Judy Morris LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON is a president who has escaped the scrutiny and judgment of history despite considerable documentation that should make him an outstanding candidate for historical review, critique, and analysis. His primary biographer, Robert Caro, consistently gets rave...

nationalvanguard.org

 

[EMH]

The only way for peace is to deport all Gazans and annex the territory for Israel

You can't make this stuff up.

Wipe them out and steal their land, you don't care how.

Fascist is too tame a word for you.


What America needs is for you and those like you to MOVE TO ISRAEL and GTF out of America since you don't care at all about America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The problem is that Arabs learned the art of propaganda from their close association with the Nazis and have the most relentless and extensive propaganda apparatus in the world.

The very act of creating a "Palestinian" identity was an act of propaganda and Arabs along with their fellow Muslims use their enormous population advantage over Jews to recruit stupid, ignorant Westerners to their cause.

"The problem is that Arabs learned the art of propaganda from their close association with the Nazis ..."

Nay, nay...........their very religion endorses lying.

. A key difference between Islam and western religion is the doctrine that lying in defense of the faith is required.

“Taqiya is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecutionor compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.” Taqiyya - Wikiquote


Sometimes, an adherent may slip up….
“ The words "my Muslim faith" were uttered by Barack Obama in an ABC News interview with George Stephanopoulos, excerpted on YouTube.[1]
· Obama: Let's not play games. What I was suggesting - you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith, and you're absolutely right that that has not come at my ...

· Stephanopoulos: [breaking in] Christian faith

• Obama: [stuttering] ma - my Christian faith ... “

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bibi, world's biggest funder of Hamas (secretly through Qatar...shhhhhhhh)

....constant attacks and assaults and suicide bombings by the folks you support.


Good work, Abu Frank.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't see need to play God and support either side.

Always been a coward?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just like any religion..........

You have the lunatic zealots ready to die for the preservation of thier cultural genocide by exterminating everything in their way.

Then you have those who believe in the base principles of the religion, but not the "gung ho" psychopathic mentality. They use it more or less to guide their lives, not take over their brains and turn them into komekazi pilots.

"Just like any religion.........."

Possibly the stupidest comment of the thread.




40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060728.@03 https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/violence-in-defense-of-islam-statistics/



Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
Challenging the myth of a 'tiny minority of extremists'
www.thereligionofpeace.com



*much more here:

Challenging the myth of a 'tiny minority of extremists'

www.thereligionofpeace.com



Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.

In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined. Muslim Opinion Polls







Still, we need only look to the many polls to affirm the alarmingly high percentages of Muslims (hundreds-of-millions in number) who seek, through the most violent means imaginable, Islamic world domination. Again, here are but a few:

83 percent of Palestinian Muslims, 62 percent of Jordanians and 61 percent of Egyptians approve of jihadist attacks on Americans. World Public Opinion Poll(2009).

1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half their total population. ICM (Mirror) Poll 2015.

Two-thirds of Palestinians support the stabbing of Israeli civilians. Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (2015).

38.6 percent of Western Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified. Gallup(2011).

45 percent of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent “mainstream Islam.” BBC Radio (2015).

38 percent of Muslim-Americans say Islamic State (ISIS) beliefs are Islamic or correct. (Forty-three percent disagree.) The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015).

One-third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam. Center for Social Cohesion (Wikileaks cable).

78 percent of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons. NOP Research.

80 percent of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with holy war against non-believers. Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters. Motivaction Survey (2014).

Nearly one-third of Muslim-Americans agree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable. The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015).

68 percent of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam. NOP Research.

51 percent of Muslim-Americans say that Muslims should have the choice of being judged by Shariah courts rather than courts of the United States (only 39 percent disagree).The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015).

81 percent of Muslim respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS). Al-Jazeerapoll (2015).

Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster and the moderate Muslim: Even as we hear of the occasional sighting, most reasonable people remain skeptical as to whether, in reality, these mysterious creatures even exist.

“When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.”– The Quran, Surah 9:5When it comes

townhall.com

 

[Shusha]

Just Like the Golan Heights

The only way for peace is to deport all Gazans and annex the territory for Israel.

Mass and involuntary deportations are not only legally and morally wrong, they will not solve the problem. Those Arabs willing to live peacefully and alongside Jews and become Israeli Arabs should remain. This has worked successfully in Israel, where a healthy percentage of Arab citizens has created a positive outcome for both them and Israel.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Al Jazeera is funded by the Qatari government also, which makes Al Jazeera state-sponsored propaganda.

There's a good reason why Al Jazeera and Fox News have never won Pulitzers.

AI Overview



Al Jazeera faces bans and bureau closures in several Muslim-majority and Middle Eastern nations, primarily due to the network's independent coverage of regional uprisings, its sympathetic reporting on Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, and ongoing geopolitical disputes with Qatar.

The Conversation +1
The countries that have taken significant regulatory action or outright bans against the broadcaster include:

• Saudi Arabia: Banned Al Jazeera's news bureaus and fined hotels/businesses for broadcasting its programming, heavily restricting its access within the kingdom.
  
  
  VOA - Voice of America English News
• Egypt: Outlawed the network's local affiliate, shut down its bureaus, and detained several of its journalists, accusing the outlet of promoting terrorism and supporting the banned Muslim Brotherhood.
  
  
  VOA - Voice of America English News +1
• United Arab Emirates (UAE): Blocked Al Jazeera broadcasts and websites, and demanded its shutdown during the regional diplomatic blockades of Qatar.
  
  
  The New York Times +1
• Jordan: Revoked the press credentials and closed the Al Jazeera bureau in Amman, frequently restricting its journalists due to political

 

[PoliticalChic]

Facts are facts.
Reality escapes Democrats. They prefer a fantasy world to the Real World.

It goes far beyond simply fantasizing..............they are actually supporters of evil.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

^^^^^

This is exhibit A of the religious paper bag over the Fox Faux News parrot.



This is the CIA 67 war file...

https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/CIA-Analysis-1967-War.pdf

Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis—contrary to their claims—had fired first. ISRAEL LIED and was NOT attacked) President Johnson was gratified that because of CIA analyses and Helms’s tip, he could inform congressional leaders later in the day that he had been expecting Israel’s move.




and this is because Zionist Fascism

1. offed JFK to install Zionist Fascist Traitor LBJ
2. hate hoaxed Gulf of Tonkin
3. stole US weapons intended for Army and Marines in 'nam per LBJ enabling it
4. lied about being attacked and used that lie to invade, exterminate, and grab land


Then we got reports the IDF was exterminating the residents of Gaza. We sent the USS Liberty to investigate that...

The Most Incredible Story Never Told: LBJ’s Order to Destroy the USS Liberty

by Judy Morris LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON is a president who has escaped the scrutiny and judgment of history despite considerable documentation that should make him an outstanding candidate for historical review, critique, and analysis. His primary biographer, Robert Caro, consistently gets rave...

nationalvanguard.org

Conspiracy theory nonsense.

The US did not aid Israel in 1967 OR 1973.

But the USSR did aid the Arab countries in both wars.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Mass and involuntary deportations are not only legally and morally wrong, they will not solve the problem. Those Arabs willing to live peacefully and alongside Jews and become Israeli Arabs should remain. This has worked successfully in Israel, where a healthy percentage of Arab citizens has created a positive outcome for both them and Israel.

I think it's too late for that. Palestinians have been indoctrinated into a nihilist death cult, they will never live in peace with Jews.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

....constant attacks and assaults and suicide bombings by the folks you support.


Good work, Abu Frank.

I don't support Hamas, that's your Profit Bibi

Q. Why did Bibi secretly fund Hamas leadership through Qatar with suitcases full of $35MM in cash every month for years?

1. Kindness
2. Humanitarian Aid
3. Kindness and Humanitarian Aid
4. Exact same reason the SPLC funded the KKK, controlled opposition

Many in my family are also misguided Christian Zionists who think Bibi is a great and moral leader. I pray for them.

 

[EMH]

Conspiracy theory nonsense.

never mind it is documented in the CIA dossier...


and no response to the deliberate attack and murder by ISRAEL of the ship and crew USS Liberty...


When Israel commits an act of war and murders Americans, the self proclaimed sub humans do not care at all...

 

[PoliticalChic]

You mean Hamas, right?



I would argue that Islam itself is a death cult in that it bestows the greatest rewards upon those who choose to be martyrs.

We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death." This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying. Opinion | Cult of Death (Published 2004)