The liberal march towards EXTREME fascism

[Rigby5]

First error: people don't actually control the government. Your second statement proved it. Government is evil and wasteful regardless of whether anyone takes it over. Government suffers no penalty when it's evil and wastfull, so why would anyone conclude it's ever not evil and wasteful?

If there is a democratic republic, then voters are supposed to control government, and then it only becomes corrupt if voters can be misinformed by propaganda.
Government are not the source of corruption in a democratic republic, only the means of carrying out corruption if the voters let the corrupt take over.
And the source of pure corruption are the wealthy elite.
If there is a democratic republic and the voters have not been deceived by propaganda, then government does suffer penalties for waste, corruption, or violations of rights.
Nor could government corruption ever be as bad as corporate corruption, which is the pure source of all corruption.

 

[bripat9643]

If there is a democratic republic, then voters are supposed to control government, and then it only becomes corrupt if voters can be misinformed by propaganda.

That's a leftwing delusion. I'm only concerned with reality.

Government are not the source of corruption in a democratic republic, only the means of carrying out corruption if the voters let the corrupt take over.

ROFL! Government is always the source of corruption. Only politicians and bureaucrats can force you to hand over your money. Without a means of taking your money, there can't be any corruption.

And the source of pure corruption are the wealthy elite.

The wealth!!!? Government can point a gun at your head and take everything you own. What can the wealthy do to you?

If there is a democratic republic and the voters have not been deceived by propaganda, then government does suffer penalties for waste, corruption, or violations of rights.

What penalty?

Nor could government corruption ever be as bad as corporate corruption, which is the pure source of all corruption.

Government is the source of all corruption.

 

[Rigby5]

That's a leftwing delusion. I'm only concerned with reality.

ROFL! Government is always the source of corruption. Only politicians and bureaucrats can force you to hand over your money. Without a means of taking your money, there can't be any corruption.

The wealth!!!? Government can point a gun at your head and take everything you own. What can the wealthy do to you?

What penalty?

Government is the source of all corruption.

Government can only be the source of corruption if you do not have a democratic republic.
If you have a democratic republic, then the source of corruption always has to be the wealthy elite controlling and manipulating voters through their influence over the media.

 

[bripat9643]

Government can only be the source of corruption if you do not have a democratic republic.

That's pure delusion.

If you have a democratic republic, then the source of corruption always has to be the wealthy elite controlling and manipulating voters through their influence over the media.

Says so? What prevents corruption in a so-called "democratic corruption?" Corruption is rife in every democracy.

 

[Rigby5]

That's pure delusion.



Says so? What prevents corruption in a so-called "democratic corruption?" Corruption is rife in every democracy.

Corruption is always someone wealthy paying someone else to help the wealthy person get more than their share.
In an ideal democracy, the voters can tell when someone is not acting in their best interests.
The only problem is that the wealthy influence the media to try to alter the perception of reality of the voters.
And unfortunately they usually succeed.
Good examples were WWI, Vietnam, and the invasion of Iraq, all even mass murders caused by corrupt media control and influence.

 

[bripat9643]

Corruption is always someone wealthy paying someone else to help the wealthy person get more than their share.
In an ideal democracy, the voters can tell when someone is not acting in their best interests.
The only problem is that the wealthy influence the media to try to alter the perception of reality of the voters.
And unfortunately they usually succeed.
Good examples were WWI, Vietnam, and the invasion of Iraq, all even mass murders caused by corrupt media control and influence.

There is always some government official being paid off, dumbass. Just consider Joe Biden and his son Hunter. The later is the bag man for the Biden family crime syndicate.

You keep talking about an "ideal democracy." That's a fantasy. It exists only in socialits dreams. The reality is that government is inherently corrupt.

 

[Rigby5]

There is always some government official being paid off, dumbass. Just consider Joe Biden and his son Hunter. The later is the bag man for the Biden family crime syndicate.

You keep talking about an "ideal democracy." That's a fantasy. It exists only in socialits dreams. The reality is that government is inherently corrupt.

Sure, I agree the Joe/Hunter scandal was awful, and the media is covering it up.
But it is the wealthy elite controlling the media that are at fault, not government.
They did use the government, both as a source of extortion money, and as the means of withholding it, but it was pure private capitalism at play.
And the fault for not stopping it was entirely with the lack of responsible action by voters.
The mechanisms were there in government, to fix it and punish the abusers.
Socialism was not at fault.
In fact, the common name for this was "crony capitalism".
Joe and Hunter were typical wealthy elite, and that is actually extremely right wing.
Someone left wing would have objected and tried to stop the corruption by using government regulations to protect the wealth that belongs to the people.
All you are pointing out is that Joe/Hunter are actually right wing, not that left wing is bad.

 

[bripat9643]

Sure, I agree the Joe/Hunter scandal was awful, and the media is covering it up.
But it is the wealthy elite controlling the media that are at fault, not government.
They did use the government, both as a source of extortion money, and as the means of withholding it, but it was pure private capitalism at play.
And the fault for not stopping it was entirely with the lack of responsible action by voters.
The mechanisms were there in government, to fix it and punish the abusers.
Socialism was not at fault.
In fact, the common name for this was "crony capitalism".
Joe and Hunter were typical wealthy elite, and that is actually extremely right wing.
Someone left wing would have objected and tried to stop the corruption by using government regulations to protect the wealth that belongs to the people.
All you are pointing out is that Joe/Hunter are actually right wing, not that left wing is bad.

You just admitted it was not "pure private capitalism."

I am done with this conversation. You are simply immune to facts and logic. There's no point in discussing it any further.

 

[Rigby5]

You just admitted it was not "pure private capitalism."

I am done with this conversation. You are simply immune to facts and logic. There's no point in discussing it any further.

How was Joe/Hunter in the Burisma Holding deal, anything but "pure private capitalism"?
I agree they used government since that was the source of the money and the authority they could abuse.
But it was mainly the media they abused the most, so that the normal oversight mechanisms did not interfere with their plans.
The democratic process controls could have stopped them if not for misguided popular support.

 

[bripat9643]

How was Joe/Hunter in the Burisma Holding deal, anything but "pure private capitalism"?
I agree they used government since that was the source of the money and the authority they could abuse.
But it was mainly the media they abused the most, so that the normal oversight mechanisms did not interfere with their plans.
The democratic process controls could have stopped them if not for misguided popular support.

Joe is a politician, dumbass. That deal only happened because Joe had government favors to sell. Joe's authority came from the government.

 

[Rigby5]

Joe is a politician, dumbass. That deal only happened because Joe had government favors to sell. Joe's authority came from the government.

Correct, but the fault lies with us for not using our vote to punish bad behavior.
What was done by the Bidens was not legal, and there are the legal means of punishing it.
The fact the majority bought into the lies, is not the fault of government or type of government, when the majority supports illegal behavior.
Reducing the ability of government to restrict corruption is not going to help.
The corruption comes from the wealthy elites, not the government.
And while it was the democratic nature of our government that allowed the Bidens to get away with it, reducing the democratic nature of our government would not make things better, but worse.

 

[bripat9643]

Correct, but the fault lies with us for not using our vote to punish bad behavior.
What was done by the Bidens was not legal, and there are the legal means of punishing it.
The fact the majority bought into the lies, is not the fault of government or type of government, when the majority supports illegal behavior.
Reducing the ability of government to restrict corruption is not going to help.
The corruption comes from the wealthy elites, not the government.
And while it was the democratic nature of our government that allowed the Bidens to get away with it, reducing the democratic nature of our government would not make things better, but worse.

The fault lies with Democrats, period.

 

[Rigby5]

The fault lies with Democrats, period.

Fine, sure, but the point is that is the wealthy elite.
At one time, Democrats used to support unions, democracy, anti war, anti gun control, pro education, pro health care, etc.
Now both parties want war, high tuition, mandatory, expensive, private, health insurance, etc.
There is no left wing party any more.
They are both right wing, of the wealthy elite.

 

[P@triot]

You implies Social Security was a means of wealth redistribution, taking from some to give to others.

I literally never implied that at all. However, there is some truth to that. But that was never discussed.

That is not the case.

I never said it was. You should read what I actually write rather than what you think I’ll write.

 

[P@triot]

Wrong. There is a time delay between pay ins and pay outs, decades later. In the mean time, there is a surplus that SS invest in the national debt interest.

You can try your bullshit all you want but that math just doesn’t add up. If I put in $100 and “decades later” the government gives me back $103, where is the “surplus”?

Anyone capable of basic math understands that the government has a -$3.00 deficit at that point. You’re failing hard here hon.

 

[P@triot]

Wrong. Welfare is NOT part of Social Security.

Are you capable of posting even a single basic fact? Please note this is directly from the Social Security Administration government website:

 

[P@triot]

Wrong. Welfare is NOT part of Social Security.

I’m 98% certain right now that Rigby5 is a burner account for oreo. They both have the same immature comments with the same profound ignorance.

Social Security History

www.ssa.gov

 

[P@triot]

The $5 billion a year SS overhead is paid by the SS fund, not taxes.

Where does the “SS fund” come from? Do they manufacture and sell a product? Do they perform a service like cleaning houses for a fee?

Nope! It all comes from…wait for it…wait for it…TAXES!!

 

[P@triot]

The government borrows from the SS surplus

Again…where does the “surplus” come from? If they give back everything they take plus 3%, they would have a deficit.

This basic math sweetie. Your lies just aren’t holding up.

 

[P@triot]

SS will only be insolvent for 20 years or so, and that is due to the Boomer baby anomaly. It is not funded by taxes.

Well snowflake…how come every paycheck I have ever received includes an itemized breakdown that includes “Social Security Taxes”?

And if Social Security “isn’t funded by taxes”, why does the IRS’s own government website list Social Security tax rates?

Topic no. 751, Social Security and Medicare withholding rates | Internal Revenue Service

IRS Tax Topic on Social Security and Medicare taxes.

www.irs.gov

And finally, if it doesn’t come from taxes, where does it come from? To the best of my knowledge, government’s only source of revenue is from taxes. I’m not aware of any good or service that they provide in the free market in exchange for a fee.