The Left: " Employers Are Responsible For Illegal Immigration"

[JohnDB]

The ONLY other jobs for illegal immigrants are sex trade or narcotics.

 

[Lesh]

The ONLY way to hire illegal immigrants is by a process known as money laundering.

IOW you can't pay anybody any money from a business account without some sort of records to show why you paid them. And if it is for labor...a Tax ID number is required. Even if it is a third party Temp labor service.

Not one invoice cannot be accounted. Even petty cash needs receipts.

I had literally dozens of illegal immigrants ask me for jobs. Very willing to work. I couldn't hire any of them unless I was willing to launder money. And the fines for doing such a thing are over the top. $1,000 per person, per day.

There's literally no way to get past the IRS agents either looking for just such things either. One illegal little girl came by and told me where she previously worked.(wanting a job) Guess who was listed the very next week in the newspaper being locked out by the IRS? Her previous employer.

The ONLY way is through a temp labor services through a third party agency who then dissapears and evaporates when caught. Otherwise it's not possible.

There are virtually no prosecutions for hiring illegals

And over ten million work here

 

[Seymour Flops]

FOR THEIR CITIZEN CHILDREN

You can’t feed a family on that

They come for the jobs

Also from your link:

• Our best estimate is that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants, also called the undocumented, use at least one major program. We have no evidence this is due to fraud. Among legal immigrants we estimate the rate is 52 percent.
• Illegal immigrants can receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children, and illegal immigrant children can receive school lunch/breakfast and WIC directly. A number of states provide Medicaid to some illegal adults and children, and a few provide SNAP.

So, only 59% come for the welfare…

The truth is that many of those getting welfare also have jobs. So they take jobs illegally and take welfare.

I asked again what steps do you support taking on the border to stop them from coming in the first place? That seems much easier than letting them scatter all across the country and trying to play whack a mole with employers.

 

[Lesh]

Also from your link:

• Our best estimate is that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants, also called the undocumented, use at least one major program. We have no evidence this is due to fraud. Among legal immigrants we estimate the rate is 52 percent.
• Illegal immigrants can receive welfare on behalf of U.S.-born children, and illegal immigrant children can receive school lunch/breakfast and WIC directly. A number of states provide Medicaid to some illegal adults and children, and a few provide SNAP.

So, only 59% come for the welfare…

The truth is that many of those getting welfare also have jobs. So they not only illegally take jobs say illegally and fraudulently take welfare.

I asked again what steps do you support taking on the border to stop them from coming in the first place? That seems much easier than letting them scatter all across the country and trying to play whack a mole with employers.

ON BEHALF OF US BORN CHILDREN

You don’t feed a family on SNAP Bennie’s

They come for the jobs

 

[JohnDB]

There are virtually no prosecutions for hiring illegals

And over ten million work here

Yes there are....just not directly.
It's in the money laundering.

And no small business owner is willing to risk their substantial investment in a business to hire illegals directly. Because the money will stick out on the books.

You have to hire through a third party so they work for the temp agency and not you. The temp agency pays them.
They are temp agency employees.

We aren't talking about large ones either like Kelly Services or Labor Ready....small unheard of companies that dissappear overnight when the Feds catch on.

 

[JohnDB]

ON BEHALF OF US BORN CHILDREN

You don’t feed a family on SNAP Bennie’s

They come for the jobs

Childbirth tourism is coming to an end.

 

[Lesh]

Childbirth tourism is coming to an end.

I highly doubt it. They come for the jobs and business wants that cheap compliant labor pool

 

[Lesh]

Yes there are....just not directly.
It's in the money laundering.

And no small business owner is willing to risk their substantial investment in a business to hire illegals directly. Because the money will stick out on the books.

You have to hire through a third party so they work for the temp agency and not you. The temp agency pays them.
They are temp agency employees.

We aren't talking about large ones either like Kelly Services or Labor Ready....small unheard of companies that dissappear overnight when the Feds catch on.

They show up with a bogus social security card and they get hired

The employer just shrugs and says “how was I to know?”

And they get away with it

Over and over

 

[justoffal]

It is not a partisan thing. Neither party has ever pushed doing anything to companies that hire illegals other than a minor slap on the wrist

Trump is not actually a Republican and he is about to run into a tremendous amount of resistance from within the GOP starting now.

It begins with the majority leader in the Senate. They're going to make sure they put in a RINO and you can be sure there's something in it for him from the DNC. Nothing new about it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

ON BEHALF OF US BORN CHILDREN

Yes anchor babies. I’m sure you support ending birthright citizenship, then?

You don’t feed a family on SNAP Bennie’s

They come for the jobs

They come for welfare benefits, jobs cleaner streets, lower crime, and many other benefits of being an American citizen. But they don’t want to wait their turn to become an American citizen. They want to skip the line.

Obviously, you support them in that goal.

Democrats assume rule breakers will always vote for them so they support. Since you have yet to answer about the border, my assumption is that you don’t give a crap about securing the border or how many illegal stream over it.

You are fine with punishing employers, because you know that will never stem the flow. Plus, Democrats hate people that create jobs for reasons that have always mystified me.

Democrats for years have gotten away with this let’s punish employers mantra because exactly the kind of Republicans insisting on not punishing employers that you spoke of.

But that gravy train is over. Trump is not like an establishment Republican. But since he got the overall majority of Republican votes, it is those other Republicans that are now the RINOs.

Say goodbye to your dream of human traffickers delivering underage trans girls to your door at a very low price.

 

[struth]

Was Trump any better regarding employers?

He was not

I just showed a link showing he was. He got the largest penalty in history

Stop being such a partisan troll

 

[Lesh]

Yes anchor babies. I’m sure you support ending birthright citizenship, then?

They come for welfare benefits, jobs cleaner streets, lower crime, and many other benefits of being an American citizen. But they don’t want to wait their turn to become an American citizen. They want to skip the line.

Obviously, you support them in that goal.

Democrats assume rule breakers will always vote for them so they support. Since you have yet to answer about the border, my assumption is that you don’t give a crap about securing the border or how many illegal stream over it.

You are fine with punishing employers, because you know that will never stem the flow. Plus, Democrats hate people that create jobs for reasons that have always mystified me.

Democrats for years have gotten away with this let’s punish employers mantra because exactly the kind of Republicans insisting on not punishing employers that you spoke of.

But that gravy train is over. Trump is not like an establishment Republican. But since he got the overall majority of Republican votes, it is those other Republicans that are now the RINOs.

Say goodbye to your dream of human traffickers delivering underage trans girls to your door at a very low price.

I do not support ending the birthright citizenship that is enshrined in the Constitution. Why would I. The small amount of “welfare” that goes to the children of immigrants matters not at all in the grand scheme of things

Illegal aliens will not be voting for years if ever and they absolutely don’t favor Dems

They are actually quite conservative

And YOU don’t want to go after employers. Why?

Because THAT WOULD WORK?

 

[Lesh]

I just showed a link showing he was. He got the largest penalty in history

Stop being such a partisan troll

That was ONE case.

 

[struth]

That was ONE case.

There were others, that’s just note worthy for getting the largest penalty in history

Xiden and harris made it policy not to enforce the law. That’s the difference

 

[Seymour Flops]

I do not support ending the birthright citizenship that is enshrined in the Constitution. Why would I. The small amount of “welfare” that goes to the children of immigrants matters not at all in the grand scheme of things

According to your own, it’s 59% of illegal immigrant household.

Support ending birthright citizenship if you want to stop illegal immigration. Which of course, you do not.

Illegal aliens will not be voting for years if ever and they absolutely don’t favor Dems

They are actually quite conservative

And YOU don’t want to go after employers. Why?

Because THAT WOULD WORK?

Now you’re just lying. I said go after employers with harsh penalties, but not just after employers, as you advocate Whatever the penalty is for hiring illegal aliens should also apply to people who give welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

Also, we need to secure the border, what you agree or not. And it will happen, again whether you agree or not.

 

[justoffal]

They show up with a bogus social security card and they get hired

The employer just shrugs and says “how was I to know?”

And they get away with it

Over and over

The problem is even deeper than that. Part of the price of meat Is the processing of it.
If you add to the processing costs by eliminating the cheap labor that will also show up at the grocery store. When it does people will *****.... There's no easy answer here..

Instead of deporting them (though I have to make an exception for the criminals They have to go) It seems more reasonable to find a way to help them adjust and to make sure they have skin in the game.
Since the employers were the ones that decided to hire them in the first place I think it would be reasonable for them to help out also.

 

[Lesh]

Yes anchor babies. I’m sure you support ending birthright citizenship, then?

They come for welfare benefits, jobs cleaner streets, lower crime, and many other benefits of being an American citizen. But they don’t want to wait their turn to become an American citizen. They want to skip the line.

Obviously, you support them in that goal.

Democrats assume rule breakers will always vote for them so they support. Since you have yet to answer about the border, my assumption is that you don’t give a crap about securing the border or how many illegal stream over it.

You are fine with punishing employers, because you know that will never stem the flow. Plus, Democrats hate people that create jobs for reasons that have always mystified me.

Democrats for years have gotten away with this let’s punish employers mantra because exactly the kind of Republicans insisting on not punishing employers that you spoke of.

But that gravy train is over. Trump is not like an establishment Republican. But since he got the overall majority of Republican votes, it is those other Republicans that are now the RINOs.

Say goodbye to your dream of human traffickers delivering underage trans girls to your door at a very low price.

You just got done saying that punishing employers will never stop the flow

You’re not honest

Go away

 

[struth]

You just got done saying that punishing employers will never stop the flow

You’re not honest

Go away

It won’t. Trump for example got the largest penalty ever and then we still had the surge under xiden and Harris

 

[Seymour Flops]

The problem is even deeper than that. Part of the price of meat Is the processing of it.
If you add to the processing costs by eliminating the cheap labor that will also show up at the grocery store. When it does people will *****.... There's no easy answer here..

American workers will get higher wages and be able to afford that very slightly more expensive meat. A lot better than they could afford it while they themselves were on welfare due to being put out of a job by illegal aliens.

Unfortunately, the people who have been in charge the last four years had a very much let them eat cake, attitude, tour, American poverty, and American school workers.

Instead of deporting them (though I have to make an exception for the criminals They have to go) It seems more reasonable to find a way to help them adjust and to make sure they have skin in the game.
Since the employers were the ones that decided to hire them in the first place I think it would be reasonable for them to help out also.

You would have to punish employers very harshly to get them to change. I’m talking about lengthy Prison synthesis.

I’ve always supported that for employers who are illegals and also for government officials who provide welfare benefits to illegals.

but, mainly we need to secure the border, so the problem doesn’t keep happening. Thank God that will happen in the next four years.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You just got done saying that punishing employers will never stop the flow

You’re not honest

Go away

I said it won’t stop the flow not that we shouldn’t do it. We need a multi prong approach: punish employers who are legal, punish government officials who give welfare benefits to illegals, but mainly secure the border.

Since you only want to punish employers I have to conclude that your goal is just to punish employers, all employers because of your wing envy and hatred of success.