The Keystone Pipeline: Jobs!

[martybegan]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Less jobs than a busy McDonald fast food restaurant?

Does it count the jobs at the ends of the pipeline for loading an unloading? does it count the jobs from the additional shipping from the pipeline and transport to the pipeline? Does it count the jobs from the increased drilling and pumping of oil for the pipeline?

Yes, pipelines are manpower efficient, that's what makes them such a great idea along with the lower risk of incidents compared to rail tanker movement.

And again, the construction jobs are nothing to cry about.

 

[martybegan]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Most of that pipeline is already completed. Can you name one report where those jobs had any noticeable effect on employment? What makes you think the last part will? We could add a few jobs by tearing down all our bridges, but that probably isn't a good enough reason to do it.

Non-valid comparison. And again, there are other variables at play, as I stated in my response to Wry.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Most of that pipeline is already completed. Can you name one report where those jobs had any noticeable effect on employment? What makes you think the last part will? We could add a few jobs by tearing down all our bridges, but that probably isn't a good enough reason to do it.

Non-valid comparison. And again, there are other variables at play, as I stated in my response to Wry.

There is nothing wrong with construction jobs, what is built determines the number of permanent jobs created.

 

[martybegan]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Most of that pipeline is already completed. Can you name one report where those jobs had any noticeable effect on employment? What makes you think the last part will? We could add a few jobs by tearing down all our bridges, but that probably isn't a good enough reason to do it.

Non-valid comparison. And again, there are other variables at play, as I stated in my response to Wry.

There is nothing wrong with construction jobs, what is built determines the number of permanent jobs created.

And?

 

[BULLDOG]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Less jobs than a busy McDonald fast food restaurant?

Does it count the jobs at the ends of the pipeline for loading an unloading? does it count the jobs from the additional shipping from the pipeline and transport to the pipeline? Does it count the jobs from the increased drilling and pumping of oil for the pipeline?

Yes, pipelines are manpower efficient, that's what makes them such a great idea along with the lower risk of incidents compared to rail tanker movement.

And again, the construction jobs are nothing to cry about.

1.) Do you think the stuff is manually packed into the line by hand? No. It is heated and mixed with liquid so the sludge is thin enough to flow though the line. It's an automated process and is done at the bitumen mining location.
2.) The pipeline ends at the refineries where an automated valve releases the diluted bitumen directly into a distillation tower, or storage area, just like refineries have always done.
3.)Bitumen is not drilled. It is mined, similar to coal. Since the mining facility, along with the heating, and all other preparation for pumping is done at the mining facility location in Canada, how could that possibly have any effect on our employment numbers.
4.) Since the bitumen/added oil slurry is pumped with conventional pumps, what possible need could there be for additional manpower?

You have been lied to from the start about how many jobs that line would add, and any benefit our county might get from it. The fact remains that the multi-national, multi-million dollar oil companies are the only ones to get anything from that line, and we, as a nation now have all the liability of a potential spill. With the use of another give away to oil companies, something called "Free Trade Zones" they won't even have to pay taxes on the billions of dollars earned by the refineries for distilling that Canadian sludge and shipping it directly to other countries for sale. The large majority of it will never be used here.

 

[BULLDOG]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Most of that pipeline is already completed. Can you name one report where those jobs had any noticeable effect on employment? What makes you think the last part will? We could add a few jobs by tearing down all our bridges, but that probably isn't a good enough reason to do it.

Non-valid comparison. And again, there are other variables at play, as I stated in my response to Wry.

Please list any variables that might be of some benefit to this country in any way.

 

[BULLDOG]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Most of that pipeline is already completed. Can you name one report where those jobs had any noticeable effect on employment? What makes you think the last part will? We could add a few jobs by tearing down all our bridges, but that probably isn't a good enough reason to do it.

Non-valid comparison. And again, there are other variables at play, as I stated in my response to Wry.

There is nothing wrong with construction jobs, what is built determines the number of permanent jobs created.

And?

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

 

[martybegan]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Less jobs than a busy McDonald fast food restaurant?

Does it count the jobs at the ends of the pipeline for loading an unloading? does it count the jobs from the additional shipping from the pipeline and transport to the pipeline? Does it count the jobs from the increased drilling and pumping of oil for the pipeline?

Yes, pipelines are manpower efficient, that's what makes them such a great idea along with the lower risk of incidents compared to rail tanker movement.

And again, the construction jobs are nothing to cry about.

1.) Do you think the stuff is manually packed into the line by hand? No. It is heated and mixed with liquid so the sludge is thin enough to flow though the line. It's an automated process and is done at the bitumen mining location.
2.) The pipeline ends at the refineries where an automated valve releases the diluted bitumen directly into a distillation tower, or storage area, just like refineries have always done.
3.)Bitumen is not drilled. It is mined, similar to coal. Since the mining facility, along with the heating, and all other preparation for pumping is done at the mining facility location in Canada, how could that possibly have any effect on our employment numbers.
4.) Since the bitumen/added oil slurry is pumped with conventional pumps, what possible need could there be for additional manpower?

You have been lied to from the start about how many jobs that line would add, and any benefit our county might get from it. The fact remains that the multi-national, multi-million dollar oil companies are the only ones to get anything from that line, and we, as a nation now have all the liability of a potential spill. With the use of another give away to oil companies, something called "Free Trade Zones" they won't even have to pay taxes on the billions of dollars earned by the refineries for distilling that Canadian sludge and shipping it directly to other countries for sale. The large majority of it will never be used here.

people have to maintain this equipment, and the people doing it are usually very well skilled, and make good $$. Plus people have to operate the equipment, and if keystone makes moving the stuff easier, one would think more of it would be extracted.

People work for these "multi-million" companies, stockholders like pension funds invest in them.

And this isn't sludge, sludge is a waste product. The stuff remaining could be called sludge.

 

[martybegan]

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Most of that pipeline is already completed. Can you name one report where those jobs had any noticeable effect on employment? What makes you think the last part will? We could add a few jobs by tearing down all our bridges, but that probably isn't a good enough reason to do it.

Non-valid comparison. And again, there are other variables at play, as I stated in my response to Wry.

There is nothing wrong with construction jobs, what is built determines the number of permanent jobs created.

And?

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

Construction jobs are always temporary in nature. it's amazing how much you guys keep moving the goalposts.

It makes no jobs!
It makes too few jobs!!!
The jobs it makes are only temporary!
Machines will do the work!

You put the blinders on when it suits your political interests.

 

[BULLDOG]

Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs

And Obama's Green and Renewable fiasco:

US solar power employs more people than oil, coal and gas combined

and,

U.S. Clean Energy Jobs Surpass Fossil Fuel Employment

Solar energy in the US employs more people than traditional coal, gas and oil combined, a report has found, in a revelation that could undermine Donald Trump’s argument that green energy isn’t good for the economy.

The latest report from the US Department of Energy (DOE) reveals solar energy accounts for the largest proportion of employers in the Electric Power Generation sector, with wind energy the third largest, while the coal industries have declined in the past 10 years.

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Less jobs than a busy McDonald fast food restaurant?

Does it count the jobs at the ends of the pipeline for loading an unloading? does it count the jobs from the additional shipping from the pipeline and transport to the pipeline? Does it count the jobs from the increased drilling and pumping of oil for the pipeline?

Yes, pipelines are manpower efficient, that's what makes them such a great idea along with the lower risk of incidents compared to rail tanker movement.

And again, the construction jobs are nothing to cry about.

1.) Do you think the stuff is manually packed into the line by hand? No. It is heated and mixed with liquid so the sludge is thin enough to flow though the line. It's an automated process and is done at the bitumen mining location.
2.) The pipeline ends at the refineries where an automated valve releases the diluted bitumen directly into a distillation tower, or storage area, just like refineries have always done.
3.)Bitumen is not drilled. It is mined, similar to coal. Since the mining facility, along with the heating, and all other preparation for pumping is done at the mining facility location in Canada, how could that possibly have any effect on our employment numbers.
4.) Since the bitumen/added oil slurry is pumped with conventional pumps, what possible need could there be for additional manpower?

You have been lied to from the start about how many jobs that line would add, and any benefit our county might get from it. The fact remains that the multi-national, multi-million dollar oil companies are the only ones to get anything from that line, and we, as a nation now have all the liability of a potential spill. With the use of another give away to oil companies, something called "Free Trade Zones" they won't even have to pay taxes on the billions of dollars earned by the refineries for distilling that Canadian sludge and shipping it directly to other countries for sale. The large majority of it will never be used here.

people have to maintain this equipment, and the people doing it are usually very well skilled, and make good $$. Plus people have to operate the equipment, and if keystone makes moving the stuff easier, one would think more of it would be extracted.

People work for these "multi-million" companies, stockholders like pension funds invest in them.

And this isn't sludge, sludge is a waste product. The stuff remaining could be called sludge.

bi·tu·men
bəˈt(y)o͞omən,bīˈt(y)o͞omən/
noun

1. a black viscous mixture of hydrocarbons obtained naturally or as a residue from petroleum distillation. It is used for road surfacing and roofing.

If you don't like that definition, feel free to google another. They are all basically the same with slight changes in the wording.

Yes, the equipment does have to be run and maintained. All the preparation to make the sludge capable of flowing though a pipe, not possible in it's freshly mined natural form, is done in Canada. Maintenance and control of that equipment is also done in Canada by Canadian workers. All that good $$ will be paid to those Canadian workers too. Don't worry, it's all automated, and only needs a couple of guys at a control panel to make everything hum. On the refinery end, everything is automated, and requires no additional people to handle flow from Keystone. Again, just a couple people at a control panel. Yes, people work for those "multi-million" companies just like they always have. On this end, there will be no change in the number of people who work for them. In fact, all the automation that was put in place to handle the heavy sludge reduced the number of plant operators needed to run the entire plant. Aramco, in Pt. Arthur Tx. our county's largest refinery, became 100% under the control of the Saudis this year and can now run it's entire plant with just 3 or 4 plant operators. No additional jobs there.
I know it's hard for you to accept that all the crap they told you about Keystone is bullshit, but it wouldn't take much research for yourself to see I'm right. Don't believe me? Google it yourself.

 

[martybegan]

What's wrong with construction jobs?

Also even if the pipeline itself doesn't add a lot of jobs, it's still jobs.

Less jobs than a busy McDonald fast food restaurant?

Does it count the jobs at the ends of the pipeline for loading an unloading? does it count the jobs from the additional shipping from the pipeline and transport to the pipeline? Does it count the jobs from the increased drilling and pumping of oil for the pipeline?

Yes, pipelines are manpower efficient, that's what makes them such a great idea along with the lower risk of incidents compared to rail tanker movement.

And again, the construction jobs are nothing to cry about.

1.) Do you think the stuff is manually packed into the line by hand? No. It is heated and mixed with liquid so the sludge is thin enough to flow though the line. It's an automated process and is done at the bitumen mining location.
2.) The pipeline ends at the refineries where an automated valve releases the diluted bitumen directly into a distillation tower, or storage area, just like refineries have always done.
3.)Bitumen is not drilled. It is mined, similar to coal. Since the mining facility, along with the heating, and all other preparation for pumping is done at the mining facility location in Canada, how could that possibly have any effect on our employment numbers.
4.) Since the bitumen/added oil slurry is pumped with conventional pumps, what possible need could there be for additional manpower?

You have been lied to from the start about how many jobs that line would add, and any benefit our county might get from it. The fact remains that the multi-national, multi-million dollar oil companies are the only ones to get anything from that line, and we, as a nation now have all the liability of a potential spill. With the use of another give away to oil companies, something called "Free Trade Zones" they won't even have to pay taxes on the billions of dollars earned by the refineries for distilling that Canadian sludge and shipping it directly to other countries for sale. The large majority of it will never be used here.

people have to maintain this equipment, and the people doing it are usually very well skilled, and make good $$. Plus people have to operate the equipment, and if keystone makes moving the stuff easier, one would think more of it would be extracted.

People work for these "multi-million" companies, stockholders like pension funds invest in them.

And this isn't sludge, sludge is a waste product. The stuff remaining could be called sludge.

bi·tu·men
bəˈt(y)o͞omən,bīˈt(y)o͞omən/
noun

1. a black viscous mixture of hydrocarbons obtained naturally or as a residue from petroleum distillation. It is used for road surfacing and roofing.

If you don't like that definition, feel free to google another. They are all basically the same with slight changes in the wording.

Yes, the equipment does have to be run and maintained. All the preparation to make the sludge capable of flowing though a pipe, not possible in it's freshly mined natural form, is done in Canada. Maintenance and control of that equipment is also done in Canada by Canadian workers. All that good $$ will be paid to those Canadian workers too. Don't worry, it's all automated, and only needs a couple of guys at a control panel to make everything hum. On the refinery end, everything is automated, and requires no additional people to handle flow from Keystone. Again, just a couple people at a control panel. Yes, people work for those "multi-million" companies just like they always have. On this end, there will be no change in the number of people who work for them. In fact, all the automation that was put in place to handle the heavy sludge reduced the number of plant operators needed to run the entire plant. Aramco, in Pt. Arthur Tx. our county's largest refinery, became 100% under the control of the Saudis this year and can now run it's entire plant with just 3 or 4 plant operators. No additional jobs there.
I know it's hard for you to accept that all the crap they told you about Keystone is bullshit, but it wouldn't take much research for yourself to see I'm right. Don't believe me? Google it yourself.

I know what Bitumen is. you don't call it sludge unless it is a waste product.

And any new jobs are still new jobs. plus the additional flow would mean keeping the existing ones is other sources of flow peter out.

And why should we not help our Canadian brethren? Maybe the new workers will buy a nice Ford or Chevy and pay us back.

 

[BULLDOG]

Most of that pipeline is already completed. Can you name one report where those jobs had any noticeable effect on employment? What makes you think the last part will? We could add a few jobs by tearing down all our bridges, but that probably isn't a good enough reason to do it.

Non-valid comparison. And again, there are other variables at play, as I stated in my response to Wry.

There is nothing wrong with construction jobs, what is built determines the number of permanent jobs created.

And?

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

Construction jobs are always temporary in nature. it's amazing how much you guys keep moving the goalposts.

It makes no jobs!
It makes too few jobs!!!
The jobs it makes are only temporary!
Machines will do the work!

You put the blinders on when it suits your political interests.

You put on the rose colored glasses when it suits yours. I worked in oil and pipeline construction for years. I know what this does and doesn't amount to.

 

[BULLDOG]

Less jobs than a busy McDonald fast food restaurant?

Does it count the jobs at the ends of the pipeline for loading an unloading? does it count the jobs from the additional shipping from the pipeline and transport to the pipeline? Does it count the jobs from the increased drilling and pumping of oil for the pipeline?

Yes, pipelines are manpower efficient, that's what makes them such a great idea along with the lower risk of incidents compared to rail tanker movement.

And again, the construction jobs are nothing to cry about.

1.) Do you think the stuff is manually packed into the line by hand? No. It is heated and mixed with liquid so the sludge is thin enough to flow though the line. It's an automated process and is done at the bitumen mining location.
2.) The pipeline ends at the refineries where an automated valve releases the diluted bitumen directly into a distillation tower, or storage area, just like refineries have always done.
3.)Bitumen is not drilled. It is mined, similar to coal. Since the mining facility, along with the heating, and all other preparation for pumping is done at the mining facility location in Canada, how could that possibly have any effect on our employment numbers.
4.) Since the bitumen/added oil slurry is pumped with conventional pumps, what possible need could there be for additional manpower?

You have been lied to from the start about how many jobs that line would add, and any benefit our county might get from it. The fact remains that the multi-national, multi-million dollar oil companies are the only ones to get anything from that line, and we, as a nation now have all the liability of a potential spill. With the use of another give away to oil companies, something called "Free Trade Zones" they won't even have to pay taxes on the billions of dollars earned by the refineries for distilling that Canadian sludge and shipping it directly to other countries for sale. The large majority of it will never be used here.

people have to maintain this equipment, and the people doing it are usually very well skilled, and make good $$. Plus people have to operate the equipment, and if keystone makes moving the stuff easier, one would think more of it would be extracted.

People work for these "multi-million" companies, stockholders like pension funds invest in them.

And this isn't sludge, sludge is a waste product. The stuff remaining could be called sludge.

bi·tu·men
bəˈt(y)o͞omən,bīˈt(y)o͞omən/
noun

1. a black viscous mixture of hydrocarbons obtained naturally or as a residue from petroleum distillation. It is used for road surfacing and roofing.

If you don't like that definition, feel free to google another. They are all basically the same with slight changes in the wording.

Yes, the equipment does have to be run and maintained. All the preparation to make the sludge capable of flowing though a pipe, not possible in it's freshly mined natural form, is done in Canada. Maintenance and control of that equipment is also done in Canada by Canadian workers. All that good $$ will be paid to those Canadian workers too. Don't worry, it's all automated, and only needs a couple of guys at a control panel to make everything hum. On the refinery end, everything is automated, and requires no additional people to handle flow from Keystone. Again, just a couple people at a control panel. Yes, people work for those "multi-million" companies just like they always have. On this end, there will be no change in the number of people who work for them. In fact, all the automation that was put in place to handle the heavy sludge reduced the number of plant operators needed to run the entire plant. Aramco, in Pt. Arthur Tx. our county's largest refinery, became 100% under the control of the Saudis this year and can now run it's entire plant with just 3 or 4 plant operators. No additional jobs there.
I know it's hard for you to accept that all the crap they told you about Keystone is bullshit, but it wouldn't take much research for yourself to see I'm right. Don't believe me? Google it yourself.

I know what Bitumen is. you don't call it sludge unless it is a waste product.

And any new jobs are still new jobs. plus the additional flow would mean keeping the existing ones is other sources of flow peter out.

And why should we not help our Canadian brethren? Maybe the new workers will buy a nice Ford or Chevy and pay us back.

That's what it comes down to for you? We should take the potential of MASSIVE ecological disaster to help Canadian workers? I won't even bother calling that nuts. It goes without saying.

 

[Markle]

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

Good to see that you agree that solar energy is economically unfeasible due to their being so labor intensive.

Yes, the pipeline will generate few PERMANENT jobs. How may permanent jobs do 1,000 miles of expressway provide? How about the Sunshine Skyway over Tampa Bay? They are CONSTRUCTION JOBS. They move on to other construction jobs.

What part of that is confusing to you?

 

[martybegan]

Non-valid comparison. And again, there are other variables at play, as I stated in my response to Wry.

There is nothing wrong with construction jobs, what is built determines the number of permanent jobs created.

And?

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

Construction jobs are always temporary in nature. it's amazing how much you guys keep moving the goalposts.

It makes no jobs!
It makes too few jobs!!!
The jobs it makes are only temporary!
Machines will do the work!

You put the blinders on when it suits your political interests.

You put on the rose colored glasses when it suits yours. I worked in oil and pipeline construction for years. I know what this does and doesn't amount to.

And I work in construction as well, and have a degree in ChemE, but unlike you i don't make up shit to cover my political goals.

 

[martybegan]

Does it count the jobs at the ends of the pipeline for loading an unloading? does it count the jobs from the additional shipping from the pipeline and transport to the pipeline? Does it count the jobs from the increased drilling and pumping of oil for the pipeline?

Yes, pipelines are manpower efficient, that's what makes them such a great idea along with the lower risk of incidents compared to rail tanker movement.

And again, the construction jobs are nothing to cry about.

1.) Do you think the stuff is manually packed into the line by hand? No. It is heated and mixed with liquid so the sludge is thin enough to flow though the line. It's an automated process and is done at the bitumen mining location.
2.) The pipeline ends at the refineries where an automated valve releases the diluted bitumen directly into a distillation tower, or storage area, just like refineries have always done.
3.)Bitumen is not drilled. It is mined, similar to coal. Since the mining facility, along with the heating, and all other preparation for pumping is done at the mining facility location in Canada, how could that possibly have any effect on our employment numbers.
4.) Since the bitumen/added oil slurry is pumped with conventional pumps, what possible need could there be for additional manpower?

You have been lied to from the start about how many jobs that line would add, and any benefit our county might get from it. The fact remains that the multi-national, multi-million dollar oil companies are the only ones to get anything from that line, and we, as a nation now have all the liability of a potential spill. With the use of another give away to oil companies, something called "Free Trade Zones" they won't even have to pay taxes on the billions of dollars earned by the refineries for distilling that Canadian sludge and shipping it directly to other countries for sale. The large majority of it will never be used here.

people have to maintain this equipment, and the people doing it are usually very well skilled, and make good $$. Plus people have to operate the equipment, and if keystone makes moving the stuff easier, one would think more of it would be extracted.

People work for these "multi-million" companies, stockholders like pension funds invest in them.

And this isn't sludge, sludge is a waste product. The stuff remaining could be called sludge.

bi·tu·men
bəˈt(y)o͞omən,bīˈt(y)o͞omən/
noun

1. a black viscous mixture of hydrocarbons obtained naturally or as a residue from petroleum distillation. It is used for road surfacing and roofing.

If you don't like that definition, feel free to google another. They are all basically the same with slight changes in the wording.

Yes, the equipment does have to be run and maintained. All the preparation to make the sludge capable of flowing though a pipe, not possible in it's freshly mined natural form, is done in Canada. Maintenance and control of that equipment is also done in Canada by Canadian workers. All that good $$ will be paid to those Canadian workers too. Don't worry, it's all automated, and only needs a couple of guys at a control panel to make everything hum. On the refinery end, everything is automated, and requires no additional people to handle flow from Keystone. Again, just a couple people at a control panel. Yes, people work for those "multi-million" companies just like they always have. On this end, there will be no change in the number of people who work for them. In fact, all the automation that was put in place to handle the heavy sludge reduced the number of plant operators needed to run the entire plant. Aramco, in Pt. Arthur Tx. our county's largest refinery, became 100% under the control of the Saudis this year and can now run it's entire plant with just 3 or 4 plant operators. No additional jobs there.
I know it's hard for you to accept that all the crap they told you about Keystone is bullshit, but it wouldn't take much research for yourself to see I'm right. Don't believe me? Google it yourself.

I know what Bitumen is. you don't call it sludge unless it is a waste product.

And any new jobs are still new jobs. plus the additional flow would mean keeping the existing ones is other sources of flow peter out.

And why should we not help our Canadian brethren? Maybe the new workers will buy a nice Ford or Chevy and pay us back.

That's what it comes down to for you? We should take the potential of MASSIVE ecological disaster to help Canadian workers? I won't even bother calling that nuts. It goes without saying.

Considering that pipelines are the safest way to move this stuff, and sooner or later someone is going to move it anyway, your MASSIVE (see I can do caps too!) disaster is more likely to happen with other modes of transport.

Methinks you again let your political views impact your view on reality.

 

[BULLDOG]

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

Good to see that you agree that solar energy is economically unfeasible due to their being so labor intensive.

Yes, the pipeline will generate few PERMANENT jobs. How may permanent jobs do 1,000 miles of expressway provide? How about the Sunshine Skyway over Tampa Bay? They are CONSTRUCTION JOBS. They move on to other construction jobs.

What part of that is confusing to you?

Yes, and the benefit to the country from the projects you mention is enjoyed for a long time. What benefit does Keystone give to the country? The oil companies will make a fortune, but what about the people?

 

[Markle]

Obama built dog parks and the left cheered at his job creating skills.

Don't forget the TURTLE TUNNEL we got going under U.S. 27N between two parts of Lake Jackson. $3.2 MILLION. A restaurant on the East side of the road approaching the stretch with a sign outside saying "YOU ARE NOW APPROACHING A $3.2 MILLION TURTLE TUNNEL.

As with the law of unintended consequences dictates, the tunnel has become a sort of fast food restaurant for alligators on each side as not only turtles but also other critters run through the tunnel.

 

[BULLDOG]

There is nothing wrong with construction jobs, what is built determines the number of permanent jobs created.

And?

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

Construction jobs are always temporary in nature. it's amazing how much you guys keep moving the goalposts.

It makes no jobs!
It makes too few jobs!!!
The jobs it makes are only temporary!
Machines will do the work!

You put the blinders on when it suits your political interests.

You put on the rose colored glasses when it suits yours. I worked in oil and pipeline construction for years. I know what this does and doesn't amount to.

And I work in construction as well, and have a degree in ChemE, but unlike you i don't make up shit to cover my political goals.

Care to point at any shit you think I made up?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

Good to see that you agree that solar energy is economically unfeasible due to their being so labor intensive.

Yes, the pipeline will generate few PERMANENT jobs. How may permanent jobs do 1,000 miles of expressway provide? How about the Sunshine Skyway over Tampa Bay? They are CONSTRUCTION JOBS. They move on to other construction jobs.

What part of that is confusing to you?

Yes, and the benefit to the country from the projects you mention is enjoyed for a long time. What benefit does Keystone give to the country? The oil companies will make a fortune, but what about the people?

It's America. Americans have a right to do what they want to prosper. We don't need you homo commies standing in our way.