The Keystone Pipeline: Jobs!

[BULLDOG]

1.) Do you think the stuff is manually packed into the line by hand? No. It is heated and mixed with liquid so the sludge is thin enough to flow though the line. It's an automated process and is done at the bitumen mining location.
2.) The pipeline ends at the refineries where an automated valve releases the diluted bitumen directly into a distillation tower, or storage area, just like refineries have always done.
3.)Bitumen is not drilled. It is mined, similar to coal. Since the mining facility, along with the heating, and all other preparation for pumping is done at the mining facility location in Canada, how could that possibly have any effect on our employment numbers.
4.) Since the bitumen/added oil slurry is pumped with conventional pumps, what possible need could there be for additional manpower?

You have been lied to from the start about how many jobs that line would add, and any benefit our county might get from it. The fact remains that the multi-national, multi-million dollar oil companies are the only ones to get anything from that line, and we, as a nation now have all the liability of a potential spill. With the use of another give away to oil companies, something called "Free Trade Zones" they won't even have to pay taxes on the billions of dollars earned by the refineries for distilling that Canadian sludge and shipping it directly to other countries for sale. The large majority of it will never be used here.

people have to maintain this equipment, and the people doing it are usually very well skilled, and make good $$. Plus people have to operate the equipment, and if keystone makes moving the stuff easier, one would think more of it would be extracted.

People work for these "multi-million" companies, stockholders like pension funds invest in them.

And this isn't sludge, sludge is a waste product. The stuff remaining could be called sludge.

bi·tu·men
bəˈt(y)o͞omən,bīˈt(y)o͞omən/
noun

1. a black viscous mixture of hydrocarbons obtained naturally or as a residue from petroleum distillation. It is used for road surfacing and roofing.

If you don't like that definition, feel free to google another. They are all basically the same with slight changes in the wording.

Yes, the equipment does have to be run and maintained. All the preparation to make the sludge capable of flowing though a pipe, not possible in it's freshly mined natural form, is done in Canada. Maintenance and control of that equipment is also done in Canada by Canadian workers. All that good $$ will be paid to those Canadian workers too. Don't worry, it's all automated, and only needs a couple of guys at a control panel to make everything hum. On the refinery end, everything is automated, and requires no additional people to handle flow from Keystone. Again, just a couple people at a control panel. Yes, people work for those "multi-million" companies just like they always have. On this end, there will be no change in the number of people who work for them. In fact, all the automation that was put in place to handle the heavy sludge reduced the number of plant operators needed to run the entire plant. Aramco, in Pt. Arthur Tx. our county's largest refinery, became 100% under the control of the Saudis this year and can now run it's entire plant with just 3 or 4 plant operators. No additional jobs there.
I know it's hard for you to accept that all the crap they told you about Keystone is bullshit, but it wouldn't take much research for yourself to see I'm right. Don't believe me? Google it yourself.

I know what Bitumen is. you don't call it sludge unless it is a waste product.

And any new jobs are still new jobs. plus the additional flow would mean keeping the existing ones is other sources of flow peter out.

And why should we not help our Canadian brethren? Maybe the new workers will buy a nice Ford or Chevy and pay us back.

That's what it comes down to for you? We should take the potential of MASSIVE ecological disaster to help Canadian workers? I won't even bother calling that nuts. It goes without saying.

Considering that pipelines are the safest way to move this stuff, and sooner or later someone is going to move it anyway, your MASSIVE (see I can do caps too!) disaster is more likely to happen with other modes of transport.

Methinks you again let your political views impact your view on reality.

OK, it will be moved, but nobody has come up with a rational reason why we should allow it to be moved across our country when we get no benefit from it. They have ports in Canada.

 

[Markle]

Most schools have solar panels which staff and students old enough to drive park under:

Lie

 

[Markle]

OK, it will be moved, but nobody has come up with a rational reason why we should allow it to be moved across our country when we get no benefit from it. They have ports in Canada.

There are no employees at our refineries on our Gulf Coast? Who knew?

 

[Markle]

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

What construction jobs last "forever"? Does a man working for a roofing company work on the same house of building for decades or does he move from one job to another?

 

[martybegan]

And?

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

Construction jobs are always temporary in nature. it's amazing how much you guys keep moving the goalposts.

It makes no jobs!
It makes too few jobs!!!
The jobs it makes are only temporary!
Machines will do the work!

You put the blinders on when it suits your political interests.

You put on the rose colored glasses when it suits yours. I worked in oil and pipeline construction for years. I know what this does and doesn't amount to.

And I work in construction as well, and have a degree in ChemE, but unlike you i don't make up shit to cover my political goals.

Care to point at any shit you think I made up?

You constantly downplay any economic impact because you don't like icky fossil fuels. The simple fact is this stuff is going to be used, and even more so if prices go up again to make it more profitable.

A pipeline is the safest way to do it, and while it isn't a lot of jobs, its still jobs, plus the subsequent economic improvements, be it in Canada, at the end of the line near a port facility, or at the local truck stand where the pipeline maintenance guy stops by for lunch 3 times a week while he does his inspections.

 

[martybegan]

people have to maintain this equipment, and the people doing it are usually very well skilled, and make good $$. Plus people have to operate the equipment, and if keystone makes moving the stuff easier, one would think more of it would be extracted.

People work for these "multi-million" companies, stockholders like pension funds invest in them.

And this isn't sludge, sludge is a waste product. The stuff remaining could be called sludge.

bi·tu·men
bəˈt(y)o͞omən,bīˈt(y)o͞omən/
noun

1. a black viscous mixture of hydrocarbons obtained naturally or as a residue from petroleum distillation. It is used for road surfacing and roofing.

If you don't like that definition, feel free to google another. They are all basically the same with slight changes in the wording.

Yes, the equipment does have to be run and maintained. All the preparation to make the sludge capable of flowing though a pipe, not possible in it's freshly mined natural form, is done in Canada. Maintenance and control of that equipment is also done in Canada by Canadian workers. All that good $$ will be paid to those Canadian workers too. Don't worry, it's all automated, and only needs a couple of guys at a control panel to make everything hum. On the refinery end, everything is automated, and requires no additional people to handle flow from Keystone. Again, just a couple people at a control panel. Yes, people work for those "multi-million" companies just like they always have. On this end, there will be no change in the number of people who work for them. In fact, all the automation that was put in place to handle the heavy sludge reduced the number of plant operators needed to run the entire plant. Aramco, in Pt. Arthur Tx. our county's largest refinery, became 100% under the control of the Saudis this year and can now run it's entire plant with just 3 or 4 plant operators. No additional jobs there.
I know it's hard for you to accept that all the crap they told you about Keystone is bullshit, but it wouldn't take much research for yourself to see I'm right. Don't believe me? Google it yourself.

I know what Bitumen is. you don't call it sludge unless it is a waste product.

And any new jobs are still new jobs. plus the additional flow would mean keeping the existing ones is other sources of flow peter out.

And why should we not help our Canadian brethren? Maybe the new workers will buy a nice Ford or Chevy and pay us back.

That's what it comes down to for you? We should take the potential of MASSIVE ecological disaster to help Canadian workers? I won't even bother calling that nuts. It goes without saying.

Considering that pipelines are the safest way to move this stuff, and sooner or later someone is going to move it anyway, your MASSIVE (see I can do caps too!) disaster is more likely to happen with other modes of transport.

Methinks you again let your political views impact your view on reality.

OK, it will be moved, but nobody has come up with a rational reason why we should allow it to be moved across our country when we get no benefit from it. They have ports in Canada.

And why should our ports not get in on the action?

 

[BULLDOG]

OK, it will be moved, but nobody has come up with a rational reason why we should allow it to be moved across our country when we get no benefit from it. They have ports in Canada.

There are no employees at our refineries on our Gulf Coast? Who knew?

Yes, there are employees there. The same amount that are needed with or without Keystone. There have been and will be no new hires because of keystone.

 

[BULLDOG]

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

What construction jobs last "forever"? Does a man working for a roofing company work on the same house of building for decades or does he move from one job to another?

Yes construction jobs are usually temporary. I'm not the one saying a few temporary jobs would have a noticable effect on out employment numbers

 

[BULLDOG]

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

Construction jobs are always temporary in nature. it's amazing how much you guys keep moving the goalposts.

It makes no jobs!
It makes too few jobs!!!
The jobs it makes are only temporary!
Machines will do the work!

You put the blinders on when it suits your political interests.

You put on the rose colored glasses when it suits yours. I worked in oil and pipeline construction for years. I know what this does and doesn't amount to.

And I work in construction as well, and have a degree in ChemE, but unlike you i don't make up shit to cover my political goals.

Care to point at any shit you think I made up?

You constantly downplay any economic impact because you don't like icky fossil fuels. The simple fact is this stuff is going to be used, and even more so if prices go up again to make it more profitable.

A pipeline is the safest way to do it, and while it isn't a lot of jobs, its still jobs, plus the subsequent economic improvements, be it in Canada, at the end of the line near a port facility, or at the local truck stand where the pipeline maintenance guy stops by for lunch 3 times a week while he does his inspections.

Won't be used here.

 

[BULLDOG]

bi·tu·men
bəˈt(y)o͞omən,bīˈt(y)o͞omən/
noun

1. a black viscous mixture of hydrocarbons obtained naturally or as a residue from petroleum distillation. It is used for road surfacing and roofing.

If you don't like that definition, feel free to google another. They are all basically the same with slight changes in the wording.

Yes, the equipment does have to be run and maintained. All the preparation to make the sludge capable of flowing though a pipe, not possible in it's freshly mined natural form, is done in Canada. Maintenance and control of that equipment is also done in Canada by Canadian workers. All that good $$ will be paid to those Canadian workers too. Don't worry, it's all automated, and only needs a couple of guys at a control panel to make everything hum. On the refinery end, everything is automated, and requires no additional people to handle flow from Keystone. Again, just a couple people at a control panel. Yes, people work for those "multi-million" companies just like they always have. On this end, there will be no change in the number of people who work for them. In fact, all the automation that was put in place to handle the heavy sludge reduced the number of plant operators needed to run the entire plant. Aramco, in Pt. Arthur Tx. our county's largest refinery, became 100% under the control of the Saudis this year and can now run it's entire plant with just 3 or 4 plant operators. No additional jobs there.
I know it's hard for you to accept that all the crap they told you about Keystone is bullshit, but it wouldn't take much research for yourself to see I'm right. Don't believe me? Google it yourself.

I know what Bitumen is. you don't call it sludge unless it is a waste product.

And any new jobs are still new jobs. plus the additional flow would mean keeping the existing ones is other sources of flow peter out.

And why should we not help our Canadian brethren? Maybe the new workers will buy a nice Ford or Chevy and pay us back.

That's what it comes down to for you? We should take the potential of MASSIVE ecological disaster to help Canadian workers? I won't even bother calling that nuts. It goes without saying.

Considering that pipelines are the safest way to move this stuff, and sooner or later someone is going to move it anyway, your MASSIVE (see I can do caps too!) disaster is more likely to happen with other modes of transport.

Methinks you again let your political views impact your view on reality.

OK, it will be moved, but nobody has come up with a rational reason why we should allow it to be moved across our country when we get no benefit from it. They have ports in Canada.

And why should our ports not get in on the action?

Our ports won't. Refineries have their own docks. Any money made will stay with the refinery owners, who will not hire any more people.

 

[martybegan]

Construction jobs are always temporary in nature. it's amazing how much you guys keep moving the goalposts.

It makes no jobs!
It makes too few jobs!!!
The jobs it makes are only temporary!
Machines will do the work!

You put the blinders on when it suits your political interests.

You put on the rose colored glasses when it suits yours. I worked in oil and pipeline construction for years. I know what this does and doesn't amount to.

And I work in construction as well, and have a degree in ChemE, but unlike you i don't make up shit to cover my political goals.

Care to point at any shit you think I made up?

You constantly downplay any economic impact because you don't like icky fossil fuels. The simple fact is this stuff is going to be used, and even more so if prices go up again to make it more profitable.

A pipeline is the safest way to do it, and while it isn't a lot of jobs, its still jobs, plus the subsequent economic improvements, be it in Canada, at the end of the line near a port facility, or at the local truck stand where the pipeline maintenance guy stops by for lunch 3 times a week while he does his inspections.

Won't be used here.

Who cares? if we can make $$ off moving it, we make $$ off moving it.

 

[martybegan]

I know what Bitumen is. you don't call it sludge unless it is a waste product.

And any new jobs are still new jobs. plus the additional flow would mean keeping the existing ones is other sources of flow peter out.

And why should we not help our Canadian brethren? Maybe the new workers will buy a nice Ford or Chevy and pay us back.

That's what it comes down to for you? We should take the potential of MASSIVE ecological disaster to help Canadian workers? I won't even bother calling that nuts. It goes without saying.

Considering that pipelines are the safest way to move this stuff, and sooner or later someone is going to move it anyway, your MASSIVE (see I can do caps too!) disaster is more likely to happen with other modes of transport.

Methinks you again let your political views impact your view on reality.

OK, it will be moved, but nobody has come up with a rational reason why we should allow it to be moved across our country when we get no benefit from it. They have ports in Canada.

And why should our ports not get in on the action?

Our ports won't. Refineries have their own docks. Any money made will stay with the refinery owners, who will not hire any more people.

And who works in refineries?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

Good to see that you agree that solar energy is economically unfeasible due to their being so labor intensive.

Yes, the pipeline will generate few PERMANENT jobs. How may permanent jobs do 1,000 miles of expressway provide? How about the Sunshine Skyway over Tampa Bay? They are CONSTRUCTION JOBS. They move on to other construction jobs.

What part of that is confusing to you?

Yes, and the benefit to the country from the projects you mention is enjoyed for a long time. What benefit does Keystone give to the country? The oil companies will make a fortune, but what about the people?

It's America. Americans have a right to do what they want to prosper. We don't need you homo commies standing in our way.

Why do you go out of your way to prove you're a bigot and an asshole?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

Good to see that you agree that solar energy is economically unfeasible due to their being so labor intensive.

Yes, the pipeline will generate few PERMANENT jobs. How may permanent jobs do 1,000 miles of expressway provide? How about the Sunshine Skyway over Tampa Bay? They are CONSTRUCTION JOBS. They move on to other construction jobs.

What part of that is confusing to you?

Yes, and the benefit to the country from the projects you mention is enjoyed for a long time. What benefit does Keystone give to the country? The oil companies will make a fortune, but what about the people?

It's America. Americans have a right to do what they want to prosper. We don't need you homo commies standing in our way.

Why do you go out of your way to prove you're a bigot and an asshole?

Says the dufus who whines at people because they have a successful business.
You loons don't even know which bathroom to use and think people can change sex on a whim mood.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Other than the few extremely temporary jobs in construction, most will be 6-8 months or less. That's little more than a summer job for a school kid. What else have you got as far as benefit to OUR country?

What construction jobs last "forever"? Does a man working for a roofing company work on the same house of building for decades or does he move from one job to another?

Yes construction jobs are usually temporary. I'm not the one saying a few temporary jobs would have a noticable effect on out employment numbers

That's funny. The construction company my wife has worked at for the last 27 years has many of the same employees it did when she hired on.

Again, you know nothing about what you rant about.

If a company wishes to do something, that is their business, not yours, you homo commie who wants to dictate to everyone.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Most schools have solar panels which staff and students old enough to drive park under:

Lie

I posted dozens of pictures offering proof; one dishonest word from you is at least as telling as my post. It tells the reader I posted evidence and you posted bull shit.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Solar energy employed 374,000 people over the year 2015-2016, making up 43 per cent of the sector’s workforce, while the traditional fossil fuels combined employed 187,117, making up just 22 per cent of the workforce, according to the report.

Good to see that you agree that solar energy is economically unfeasible due to their being so labor intensive.

Yes, the pipeline will generate few PERMANENT jobs. How may permanent jobs do 1,000 miles of expressway provide? How about the Sunshine Skyway over Tampa Bay? They are CONSTRUCTION JOBS. They move on to other construction jobs.

What part of that is confusing to you?

Yes, and the benefit to the country from the projects you mention is enjoyed for a long time. What benefit does Keystone give to the country? The oil companies will make a fortune, but what about the people?

It's America. Americans have a right to do what they want to prosper. We don't need you homo commies standing in our way.

Why do you go out of your way to prove you're a bigot and an asshole?

Says the dufus who whines at people because they have a successful business.
You loons don't even know which bathroom to use and think people can change sex on a whim mood.

You not only prove you're an asshole, you prove yourself to be a special kind - a stupid asshole.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Good to see that you agree that solar energy is economically unfeasible due to their being so labor intensive.

Yes, the pipeline will generate few PERMANENT jobs. How may permanent jobs do 1,000 miles of expressway provide? How about the Sunshine Skyway over Tampa Bay? They are CONSTRUCTION JOBS. They move on to other construction jobs.

What part of that is confusing to you?

Yes, and the benefit to the country from the projects you mention is enjoyed for a long time. What benefit does Keystone give to the country? The oil companies will make a fortune, but what about the people?

It's America. Americans have a right to do what they want to prosper. We don't need you homo commies standing in our way.

Why do you go out of your way to prove you're a bigot and an asshole?

Says the dufus who whines at people because they have a successful business.
You loons don't even know which bathroom to use and think people can change sex on a whim mood.

You not only prove you're an asshole, you prove yourself to be a special kind - a stupid asshole.

Poor baby. Don't like it when people feed you your own bullshit, do you?

 

[BULLDOG]

You put on the rose colored glasses when it suits yours. I worked in oil and pipeline construction for years. I know what this does and doesn't amount to.

And I work in construction as well, and have a degree in ChemE, but unlike you i don't make up shit to cover my political goals.

Care to point at any shit you think I made up?

You constantly downplay any economic impact because you don't like icky fossil fuels. The simple fact is this stuff is going to be used, and even more so if prices go up again to make it more profitable.

A pipeline is the safest way to do it, and while it isn't a lot of jobs, its still jobs, plus the subsequent economic improvements, be it in Canada, at the end of the line near a port facility, or at the local truck stand where the pipeline maintenance guy stops by for lunch 3 times a week while he does his inspections.

Won't be used here.

Who cares? if we can make $$ off moving it, we make $$ off moving it.

We? We won't make a penny off moving it. The same people who own a large amount of the mining facility in Canada also own a large part of the refineries on the Gulf coast. Those people will make a fortune, and since the Gulf coast refineries are classified as Free Trade Zones, they won't even pay taxes on the profit from transport or refining. They keep it all. We get nothing but a few temporary jobs. A circus that stays a little longer than usual would probably supply more temporary jobs.

 

[BULLDOG]

That's what it comes down to for you? We should take the potential of MASSIVE ecological disaster to help Canadian workers? I won't even bother calling that nuts. It goes without saying.

Considering that pipelines are the safest way to move this stuff, and sooner or later someone is going to move it anyway, your MASSIVE (see I can do caps too!) disaster is more likely to happen with other modes of transport.

Methinks you again let your political views impact your view on reality.

OK, it will be moved, but nobody has come up with a rational reason why we should allow it to be moved across our country when we get no benefit from it. They have ports in Canada.

And why should our ports not get in on the action?

Our ports won't. Refineries have their own docks. Any money made will stay with the refinery owners, who will not hire any more people.

And who works in refineries?

The exact same people who would would work in refineries without Keystone. No more people......no less people.