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The Bible is the reason slavery was expunged.
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The Key To Harmony
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The Bible is the reason slavery was expunged.
Genesis 1:26, KJV: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
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Which to choose in the search for harmony, the religion of the Bible, or that of Marx and Engels?
8. And another comparison between the religion of the Founders, and that of the Left, Militant Secularism. Everything is ordered, organized, classified per the Bible. That, in itself, is a message. The reverse religion, Militant Secularism proffers the very opposite: disorder, and chaos. Arson, looting, street riots…those are the methods of operation of Secularists.
A specific example of biblical order versus the entropy of the Left.
The Bible is about reducing chaos.
Toward that end, God draws distinctions by providing examples, opposites, juxtapositions: God distinguishes between light and dark, day and night, land and water, and humans and animals; and, as we will see elsewhere in the Torah, God distinguishes between man and God, good and evil, man and woman, the holy and the profane, parent and child, the beautiful and the ugly, and life and death.”
Today, because a very different force is ascendant, chaos is on the increase. The best example…well, Facebook offers 56 options. You can use up to 10 of them on your profile. Fifty-six sounds like a lot, but actually a lot of them are variations on a theme — "cisgender man" and "cisgender male," as well as "cis man" and "cis male." In terms of broad categories, there about a dozen.
Facebook offers users 56 new gender options:
https://theweek.com › articles › facebook-offers-users-56-new-gender-option...
8. And another comparison between the religion of the Founders, and that of the Left, Militant Secularism. Everything is ordered, organized, classified per the Bible. That, in itself, is a message. The reverse religion, Militant Secularism proffers the very opposite: disorder, and chaos. Arson, looting, street riots…those are the methods of operation of Secularists.
A specific example of biblical order versus the entropy of the Left.
The Bible is about reducing chaos.
Toward that end, God draws distinctions by providing examples, opposites, juxtapositions: God distinguishes between light and dark, day and night, land and water, and humans and animals; and, as we will see elsewhere in the Torah, God distinguishes between man and God, good and evil, man and woman, the holy and the profane, parent and child, the beautiful and the ugly, and life and death.”
Today, because a very different force is ascendant, chaos is on the increase. The best example…well, Facebook offers 56 options. You can use up to 10 of them on your profile. Fifty-six sounds like a lot, but actually a lot of them are variations on a theme — "cisgender man" and "cisgender male," as well as "cis man" and "cis male." In terms of broad categories, there about a dozen.
Facebook offers users 56 new gender options:
https://theweek.com › articles › facebook-offers-users-56-new-gender-option...
I was in complete agreement with your list until I reached the first entry, WWI. Except for the Ottomans, all the participants were Christian nations and the Ottomans themselves were hardly secular. It almost seemed like you just listed wars and didn't really care about secular vs non-secular.1/10 and 10/1 are both fractions so your statement is ambiguous. If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"Certainly Christianity is no different. How many wars have been started by Christians? How many of those wars have been against other Christians? "
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
"If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"
I never lie.....you know that.
First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival”
in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one an -
other on their fearlessness in so doing. The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” (italics added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
OK?
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9. To see how far we have slipped from the source of Western Civilization’s greatness, recall Supreme Court Justice Kennedy who championed the ‘right’ to slaughter unborn human beings in the name of convenience: U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's immortalized words in Casey: "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life."
The American Supreme Court deciding what life is, and assigning the ‘right’ to end that of another human being. Prior to this, a very different entity had that ‘right.’
“No U.S. Supreme Court dictum in decades has faced such vilification as has poor Justice Kennedy's 28 words. Robert Bork called the phrase indicative of "New Age jurisprudence"; William Bennett derided it as an "open-ended validation of subjectivism" that paves the way for drug abuse, assisted suicide, prostitution, and "virtually anything else": George Will said it was "gaseously" written; Michael Uhlman labeled it a "thing of almost infinite plasticity"; the editors of First Things called it the "notorious mystery passage"; and on and on.
Yet it's ironic that mostly political conservatives attack it, because at the heart of Justice Kennedy's at-the-heart statement is the essential message of political conservatism, and that is personal liberty.”
Justice Kennedy’s “Notorious Mystery Passage”
To note how far wrong modern social philosophy has gone, compare that to Genesis 1:26 “Then God said, Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness”
The American Supreme Court deciding what life is, and assigning the ‘right’ to end that of another human being. Prior to this, a very different entity had that ‘right.’
“No U.S. Supreme Court dictum in decades has faced such vilification as has poor Justice Kennedy's 28 words. Robert Bork called the phrase indicative of "New Age jurisprudence"; William Bennett derided it as an "open-ended validation of subjectivism" that paves the way for drug abuse, assisted suicide, prostitution, and "virtually anything else": George Will said it was "gaseously" written; Michael Uhlman labeled it a "thing of almost infinite plasticity"; the editors of First Things called it the "notorious mystery passage"; and on and on.
Yet it's ironic that mostly political conservatives attack it, because at the heart of Justice Kennedy's at-the-heart statement is the essential message of political conservatism, and that is personal liberty.”
Justice Kennedy’s “Notorious Mystery Passage”
To note how far wrong modern social philosophy has gone, compare that to Genesis 1:26 “Then God said, Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness”
You're kidding right?? The OT included rules on slavery not a requirement that it end. The NT told slaves to obey their masters not to rebel.The Bible is the reason slavery was expunged.
Genesis 1:26, KJV: "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
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how about the Crusades? where christians pillaged a crhistian city for $$$$!!Is it in the Bible....or in the other 'bible'???
1.Searching for that level of agreement in society, alas, appears elusive. But the aim is to live in harmony.
“If people are living in harmony with each other, they are living together peacefully rather than fighting or arguing. We must try to live in peace and harmony with ourselves and those around us.
Harmony definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
2. Here’s the problem: Not all see the same path nor meaning of the term:
“Karl Marx himself has stated that “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism,” a sentiment that corresponds almost exactly to the Islamic idea that “peace” means the absence of opposition to Islamic rule. Cultural Marxism — aka Political Correctness — and Islam share the same totalitarian outlook and instinctively agree in their opposition to free discussion, and in the idea that freedom of speech must be curtailed when it is “offensive” to certain groups.”
Political Correctness â The Revenge of Marxism
The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report as a guest-post at Gates of Vienna. FrontPage Magazine : You make the shrewd observation o...gatesofvienna.blogspot.com
3. Sooo….where can we find a more copacetic view of peace and harmony for our culture?
That is found in the Bible, the book of the Judeo-Christian faith. But, over the last century and a half, a very different ‘bible’ and ‘religion’ has come into existence….and demands itself as the replacement of the earlier faith.
Marx provides the sort of modern, secular substitute for what the Bible offers. Militant Secularism is a substitute religion for the world, based on all sorts of opposite doctrines compared to the Judeo-Christian version. And the Democrat Party reflects those contrary ideas to that which made our civilization the shining city on the hill.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
4. The first worships God, while the second provides a substitute, worship of a very different entity: “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.”
Whittaker Chambers, Witness
Under the religion of Militant Secularism, members insist that they themselves are the arbiters of good and evil. Have no doubt: every Democrat voter is a disciple of this bizarre religion.
"Classical liberalism, the optimistic doctrine that gave us liberty, democracy, progress, was a moral project. It held that human society could always better itself by encouraging the good and diminishing the bad. It rested, therefore, on a very clear understanding that there was a higher cause than self-realization: that there were such things as right and wrong and that the former should be preferred over the latter.
But the belief that autonomous individuals had the right to make subjective judgment about what was right for them in pursuit of their unchallengeable entitlement to happiness destroyed that understanding. Progressives interpreted liberty as license, thus destroying the moral rules that make freedom a virtue."
Melanie Phillips
" When morality became privatized, the questions “what is right” became “what is right for me.” Feelings... became the arbiters of behavior. Rather than traditional taboos, only religiously based moral judgment was deemed taboo. The harm caused to abandoned spouses or children by adultery or desertion- harm that can be objectively documented in rates of ill health, depression, educational underachievement, criminal behavior- was all but ignored, while damage done to people’s feelings by condemnation of their adultery or desertion was considered unforgiveable."
"The World Turned Upside Down," Melanie Phillips, chapter 14
Yet the careful and assiduous manipulation of the sources of dissemination of knowledge has allowed the religion of death to surpass the religion of life.
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia
how about all the christian priests raping children---and the hierarchy trying to cover it up?
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I was in complete agreement with your list until I reached the first entry, WWI. Except for the Ottomans, all the participants were Christian nations and the Ottomans themselves were hardly secular. It almost seemed like you just listed wars and didn't really care about secular vs non-secular.1/10 and 10/1 are both fractions so your statement is ambiguous. If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"Certainly Christianity is no different. How many wars have been started by Christians? How many of those wars have been against other Christians? "
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
"If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"
I never lie.....you know that.
First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival”
in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one an -
other on their fearlessness in so doing. The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” (italics added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
OK?
None were in defense or or support for the Judeo-Christian faith.....dunce.
"I was in complete agreement with your list ..."
Based on your knowledge, education, and wisdom.....I'd be horrified if that were to happen.
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how about the Crusades? where christians pillaged a crhistian city for $$$$!!Is it in the Bible....or in the other 'bible'???
1.Searching for that level of agreement in society, alas, appears elusive. But the aim is to live in harmony.
“If people are living in harmony with each other, they are living together peacefully rather than fighting or arguing. We must try to live in peace and harmony with ourselves and those around us.
Harmony definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
2. Here’s the problem: Not all see the same path nor meaning of the term:
“Karl Marx himself has stated that “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism,” a sentiment that corresponds almost exactly to the Islamic idea that “peace” means the absence of opposition to Islamic rule. Cultural Marxism — aka Political Correctness — and Islam share the same totalitarian outlook and instinctively agree in their opposition to free discussion, and in the idea that freedom of speech must be curtailed when it is “offensive” to certain groups.”
Political Correctness â The Revenge of Marxism
The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report as a guest-post at Gates of Vienna. FrontPage Magazine : You make the shrewd observation o...
3. Sooo….where can we find a more copacetic view of peace and harmony for our culture?
That is found in the Bible, the book of the Judeo-Christian faith. But, over the last century and a half, a very different ‘bible’ and ‘religion’ has come into existence….and demands itself as the replacement of the earlier faith.
Marx provides the sort of modern, secular substitute for what the Bible offers. Militant Secularism is a substitute religion for the world, based on all sorts of opposite doctrines compared to the Judeo-Christian version. And the Democrat Party reflects those contrary ideas to that which made our civilization the shining city on the hill.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
4. The first worships God, while the second provides a substitute, worship of a very different entity: “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.”
Whittaker Chambers, Witness
Under the religion of Militant Secularism, members insist that they themselves are the arbiters of good and evil. Have no doubt: every Democrat voter is a disciple of this bizarre religion.
"Classical liberalism, the optimistic doctrine that gave us liberty, democracy, progress, was a moral project. It held that human society could always better itself by encouraging the good and diminishing the bad. It rested, therefore, on a very clear understanding that there was a higher cause than self-realization: that there were such things as right and wrong and that the former should be preferred over the latter.
But the belief that autonomous individuals had the right to make subjective judgment about what was right for them in pursuit of their unchallengeable entitlement to happiness destroyed that understanding. Progressives interpreted liberty as license, thus destroying the moral rules that make freedom a virtue."
Melanie Phillips
" When morality became privatized, the questions “what is right” became “what is right for me.” Feelings... became the arbiters of behavior. Rather than traditional taboos, only religiously based moral judgment was deemed taboo. The harm caused to abandoned spouses or children by adultery or desertion- harm that can be objectively documented in rates of ill health, depression, educational underachievement, criminal behavior- was all but ignored, while damage done to people’s feelings by condemnation of their adultery or desertion was considered unforgiveable."
"The World Turned Upside Down," Melanie Phillips, chapter 14
Yet the careful and assiduous manipulation of the sources of dissemination of knowledge has allowed the religion of death to surpass the religion of life.
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
how about all the christian priests raping children---and the hierarchy trying to cover it up?
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.
a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left
Some people blame organized religion for most of history's killings. It is also sometimes claimed that more people have been killed in the name of Christ than for any other reason.
The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.
Isn't religion to blame for most of history's killings?
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- #29
how about the Crusades? where christians pillaged a crhistian city for $$$$!!Is it in the Bible....or in the other 'bible'???
1.Searching for that level of agreement in society, alas, appears elusive. But the aim is to live in harmony.
“If people are living in harmony with each other, they are living together peacefully rather than fighting or arguing. We must try to live in peace and harmony with ourselves and those around us.
Harmony definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
2. Here’s the problem: Not all see the same path nor meaning of the term:
“Karl Marx himself has stated that “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism,” a sentiment that corresponds almost exactly to the Islamic idea that “peace” means the absence of opposition to Islamic rule. Cultural Marxism — aka Political Correctness — and Islam share the same totalitarian outlook and instinctively agree in their opposition to free discussion, and in the idea that freedom of speech must be curtailed when it is “offensive” to certain groups.”
Political Correctness â The Revenge of Marxism
The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report as a guest-post at Gates of Vienna. FrontPage Magazine : You make the shrewd observation o...
3. Sooo….where can we find a more copacetic view of peace and harmony for our culture?
That is found in the Bible, the book of the Judeo-Christian faith. But, over the last century and a half, a very different ‘bible’ and ‘religion’ has come into existence….and demands itself as the replacement of the earlier faith.
Marx provides the sort of modern, secular substitute for what the Bible offers. Militant Secularism is a substitute religion for the world, based on all sorts of opposite doctrines compared to the Judeo-Christian version. And the Democrat Party reflects those contrary ideas to that which made our civilization the shining city on the hill.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
4. The first worships God, while the second provides a substitute, worship of a very different entity: “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.”
Whittaker Chambers, Witness
Under the religion of Militant Secularism, members insist that they themselves are the arbiters of good and evil. Have no doubt: every Democrat voter is a disciple of this bizarre religion.
"Classical liberalism, the optimistic doctrine that gave us liberty, democracy, progress, was a moral project. It held that human society could always better itself by encouraging the good and diminishing the bad. It rested, therefore, on a very clear understanding that there was a higher cause than self-realization: that there were such things as right and wrong and that the former should be preferred over the latter.
But the belief that autonomous individuals had the right to make subjective judgment about what was right for them in pursuit of their unchallengeable entitlement to happiness destroyed that understanding. Progressives interpreted liberty as license, thus destroying the moral rules that make freedom a virtue."
Melanie Phillips
" When morality became privatized, the questions “what is right” became “what is right for me.” Feelings... became the arbiters of behavior. Rather than traditional taboos, only religiously based moral judgment was deemed taboo. The harm caused to abandoned spouses or children by adultery or desertion- harm that can be objectively documented in rates of ill health, depression, educational underachievement, criminal behavior- was all but ignored, while damage done to people’s feelings by condemnation of their adultery or desertion was considered unforgiveable."
"The World Turned Upside Down," Melanie Phillips, chapter 14
Yet the careful and assiduous manipulation of the sources of dissemination of knowledge has allowed the religion of death to surpass the religion of life.
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia
how about all the christian priests raping children---and the hierarchy trying to cover it up?
"...how about all the christian priests raping children..."
Perhaps you should look more closely at the 'priests' of government school.
The product of the study, titled the John Jay Report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002).
Catholic Church sex abuse cases in the United States - Wikipedia
What percent of teachers are child molestors?
They quoted a study that found that study up to 5 percent of teachers engage in some form of sexual abuse of students, from inappropriate verbal flirtation to intercourse. According to the National Center for Education Statistics.Apr 7, 2017
Who is more likely to sexually abuse your child? A Sex Offender or
How many students are sexually assaulted by teachers?
81% or eight out of 10 students experience sexual harassment in school. 83% of girls have been sexually harassed. 78% of boys have been sexually harassed. 38% of the students were harassed by teachers or school employees.
Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia
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......you don't know much about wars1/10 and 10/1 are both fractions so your statement is ambiguous. If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"Certainly Christianity is no different. How many wars have been started by Christians? How many of those wars have been against other Christians? "
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
"If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"
I never lie.....you know that.
First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival”
in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one an -
other on their fearlessness in so doing. The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” (italics added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
OK?
christian nations:
WW2-christian nations murdered millions
Crusades
Afghanistan
Grenada
Panama
VIETNAM
Korean war
William the Conqueror
HUNDRED Years War
Henry V
..Spain!!!!!!!!!!! MURDERING not only in many European wars, but hundreds of thousands of Indigenous peoples
..English/US murdering indigenous peoples
etc MANY christian leaders/etc starting wars!!!!!
harmonica
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you didn't refute the fact the MANY priests all over the US and World have raped childrenhow about the Crusades? where christians pillaged a crhistian city for $$$$!!Is it in the Bible....or in the other 'bible'???
1.Searching for that level of agreement in society, alas, appears elusive. But the aim is to live in harmony.
“If people are living in harmony with each other, they are living together peacefully rather than fighting or arguing. We must try to live in peace and harmony with ourselves and those around us.
Harmony definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
2. Here’s the problem: Not all see the same path nor meaning of the term:
“Karl Marx himself has stated that “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism,” a sentiment that corresponds almost exactly to the Islamic idea that “peace” means the absence of opposition to Islamic rule. Cultural Marxism — aka Political Correctness — and Islam share the same totalitarian outlook and instinctively agree in their opposition to free discussion, and in the idea that freedom of speech must be curtailed when it is “offensive” to certain groups.”
Political Correctness â The Revenge of Marxism
The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report as a guest-post at Gates of Vienna. FrontPage Magazine : You make the shrewd observation o...
3. Sooo….where can we find a more copacetic view of peace and harmony for our culture?
That is found in the Bible, the book of the Judeo-Christian faith. But, over the last century and a half, a very different ‘bible’ and ‘religion’ has come into existence….and demands itself as the replacement of the earlier faith.
Marx provides the sort of modern, secular substitute for what the Bible offers. Militant Secularism is a substitute religion for the world, based on all sorts of opposite doctrines compared to the Judeo-Christian version. And the Democrat Party reflects those contrary ideas to that which made our civilization the shining city on the hill.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
4. The first worships God, while the second provides a substitute, worship of a very different entity: “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.”
Whittaker Chambers, Witness
Under the religion of Militant Secularism, members insist that they themselves are the arbiters of good and evil. Have no doubt: every Democrat voter is a disciple of this bizarre religion.
"Classical liberalism, the optimistic doctrine that gave us liberty, democracy, progress, was a moral project. It held that human society could always better itself by encouraging the good and diminishing the bad. It rested, therefore, on a very clear understanding that there was a higher cause than self-realization: that there were such things as right and wrong and that the former should be preferred over the latter.
But the belief that autonomous individuals had the right to make subjective judgment about what was right for them in pursuit of their unchallengeable entitlement to happiness destroyed that understanding. Progressives interpreted liberty as license, thus destroying the moral rules that make freedom a virtue."
Melanie Phillips
" When morality became privatized, the questions “what is right” became “what is right for me.” Feelings... became the arbiters of behavior. Rather than traditional taboos, only religiously based moral judgment was deemed taboo. The harm caused to abandoned spouses or children by adultery or desertion- harm that can be objectively documented in rates of ill health, depression, educational underachievement, criminal behavior- was all but ignored, while damage done to people’s feelings by condemnation of their adultery or desertion was considered unforgiveable."
"The World Turned Upside Down," Melanie Phillips, chapter 14
Yet the careful and assiduous manipulation of the sources of dissemination of knowledge has allowed the religion of death to surpass the religion of life.
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia
how about all the christian priests raping children---and the hierarchy trying to cover it up?
"...how about all the christian priests raping children..."
Perhaps you should look more closely at the 'priests' of government school.
The product of the study, titled the John Jay Report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002).
Catholic Church sex abuse cases in the United States - Wikipedia
What percent of teachers are child molestors?
They quoted a study that found that study up to 5 percent of teachers engage in some form of sexual abuse of students, from inappropriate verbal flirtation to intercourse. According to the National Center for Education Statistics.Apr 7, 2017
Who is more likely to sexually abuse your child? A Sex Offender or
How many students are sexually assaulted by teachers?
81% or eight out of 10 students experience sexual harassment in school. 83% of girls have been sexually harassed. 78% of boys have been sexually harassed. 38% of the students were harassed by teachers or school employees.
Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia
harmonica
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..you don't want to argue with me about military historyhow about the Crusades? where christians pillaged a crhistian city for $$$$!!Is it in the Bible....or in the other 'bible'???
1.Searching for that level of agreement in society, alas, appears elusive. But the aim is to live in harmony.
“If people are living in harmony with each other, they are living together peacefully rather than fighting or arguing. We must try to live in peace and harmony with ourselves and those around us.
Harmony definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
2. Here’s the problem: Not all see the same path nor meaning of the term:
“Karl Marx himself has stated that “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism,” a sentiment that corresponds almost exactly to the Islamic idea that “peace” means the absence of opposition to Islamic rule. Cultural Marxism — aka Political Correctness — and Islam share the same totalitarian outlook and instinctively agree in their opposition to free discussion, and in the idea that freedom of speech must be curtailed when it is “offensive” to certain groups.”
Political Correctness â The Revenge of Marxism
The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report as a guest-post at Gates of Vienna. FrontPage Magazine : You make the shrewd observation o...
3. Sooo….where can we find a more copacetic view of peace and harmony for our culture?
That is found in the Bible, the book of the Judeo-Christian faith. But, over the last century and a half, a very different ‘bible’ and ‘religion’ has come into existence….and demands itself as the replacement of the earlier faith.
Marx provides the sort of modern, secular substitute for what the Bible offers. Militant Secularism is a substitute religion for the world, based on all sorts of opposite doctrines compared to the Judeo-Christian version. And the Democrat Party reflects those contrary ideas to that which made our civilization the shining city on the hill.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
4. The first worships God, while the second provides a substitute, worship of a very different entity: “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.”
Whittaker Chambers, Witness
Under the religion of Militant Secularism, members insist that they themselves are the arbiters of good and evil. Have no doubt: every Democrat voter is a disciple of this bizarre religion.
"Classical liberalism, the optimistic doctrine that gave us liberty, democracy, progress, was a moral project. It held that human society could always better itself by encouraging the good and diminishing the bad. It rested, therefore, on a very clear understanding that there was a higher cause than self-realization: that there were such things as right and wrong and that the former should be preferred over the latter.
But the belief that autonomous individuals had the right to make subjective judgment about what was right for them in pursuit of their unchallengeable entitlement to happiness destroyed that understanding. Progressives interpreted liberty as license, thus destroying the moral rules that make freedom a virtue."
Melanie Phillips
" When morality became privatized, the questions “what is right” became “what is right for me.” Feelings... became the arbiters of behavior. Rather than traditional taboos, only religiously based moral judgment was deemed taboo. The harm caused to abandoned spouses or children by adultery or desertion- harm that can be objectively documented in rates of ill health, depression, educational underachievement, criminal behavior- was all but ignored, while damage done to people’s feelings by condemnation of their adultery or desertion was considered unforgiveable."
"The World Turned Upside Down," Melanie Phillips, chapter 14
Yet the careful and assiduous manipulation of the sources of dissemination of knowledge has allowed the religion of death to surpass the religion of life.
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia
how about all the christian priests raping children---and the hierarchy trying to cover it up?
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.
a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left
Some people blame organized religion for most of history's killings. It is also sometimes claimed that more people have been killed in the name of Christ than for any other reason.
The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.
Isn't religion to blame for most of history's killings?
OH yes--remember a war call the US Civil War--ever hear of it???
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the greatest War ever was started by a CHRISTIAN nation1/10 and 10/1 are both fractions so your statement is ambiguous. If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"Certainly Christianity is no different. How many wars have been started by Christians? How many of those wars have been against other Christians? "
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
"If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"
I never lie.....you know that.
First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival”
in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one an -
other on their fearlessness in so doing. The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” (italics added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
OK?
..you listed WW2 as a non-christian war???????????!!!!!!!!!
Germany, England, US
ETC
"None were in defense or or support for the Judeo-Christian faith"None were in defense or or support for the Judeo-Christian faith.....dunce.I was in complete agreement with your list until I reached the first entry, WWI. Except for the Ottomans, all the participants were Christian nations and the Ottomans themselves were hardly secular. It almost seemed like you just listed wars and didn't really care about secular vs non-secular.1/10 and 10/1 are both fractions so your statement is ambiguous. If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"Certainly Christianity is no different. How many wars have been started by Christians? How many of those wars have been against other Christians? "
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
"If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"
I never lie.....you know that.
First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival”
in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one an -
other on their fearlessness in so doing. The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” (italics added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
OK?
"I was in complete agreement with your list ..."
Based on your knowledge, education, and wisdom.....I'd be horrified if that were to happen.
If so, why were they fought? And how did that differ from 'secular' wars? Seems to me Christians generally fight wars for the same reasons that non-Christians do.
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......you don't know much about wars1/10 and 10/1 are both fractions so your statement is ambiguous. If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"Certainly Christianity is no different. How many wars have been started by Christians? How many of those wars have been against other Christians? "
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
"If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"
I never lie.....you know that.
First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival”
in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one an -
other on their fearlessness in so doing. The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” (italics added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
OK?
christian nations:
WW2-christian nations murdered millions
Crusades
Afghanistan
Grenada
Panama
VIETNAM
Korean war
William the Conqueror
HUNDRED Years War
Henry V
..Spain!!!!!!!!!!! MURDERING not only in many European wars, but hundreds of thousands of Indigenous peoples
..English/US murdering indigenous peoples
etc MANY christian leaders/etc starting wars!!!!!
Which fought in the name of their religion?
Every Leftist nation does exactly that.
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you didn't refute the fact the MANY priests all over the US and World have raped childrenhow about the Crusades? where christians pillaged a crhistian city for $$$$!!Is it in the Bible....or in the other 'bible'???
1.Searching for that level of agreement in society, alas, appears elusive. But the aim is to live in harmony.
“If people are living in harmony with each other, they are living together peacefully rather than fighting or arguing. We must try to live in peace and harmony with ourselves and those around us.
Harmony definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
2. Here’s the problem: Not all see the same path nor meaning of the term:
“Karl Marx himself has stated that “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism,” a sentiment that corresponds almost exactly to the Islamic idea that “peace” means the absence of opposition to Islamic rule. Cultural Marxism — aka Political Correctness — and Islam share the same totalitarian outlook and instinctively agree in their opposition to free discussion, and in the idea that freedom of speech must be curtailed when it is “offensive” to certain groups.”
Political Correctness â The Revenge of Marxism
The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report as a guest-post at Gates of Vienna. FrontPage Magazine : You make the shrewd observation o...
3. Sooo….where can we find a more copacetic view of peace and harmony for our culture?
That is found in the Bible, the book of the Judeo-Christian faith. But, over the last century and a half, a very different ‘bible’ and ‘religion’ has come into existence….and demands itself as the replacement of the earlier faith.
Marx provides the sort of modern, secular substitute for what the Bible offers. Militant Secularism is a substitute religion for the world, based on all sorts of opposite doctrines compared to the Judeo-Christian version. And the Democrat Party reflects those contrary ideas to that which made our civilization the shining city on the hill.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
4. The first worships God, while the second provides a substitute, worship of a very different entity: “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.”
Whittaker Chambers, Witness
Under the religion of Militant Secularism, members insist that they themselves are the arbiters of good and evil. Have no doubt: every Democrat voter is a disciple of this bizarre religion.
"Classical liberalism, the optimistic doctrine that gave us liberty, democracy, progress, was a moral project. It held that human society could always better itself by encouraging the good and diminishing the bad. It rested, therefore, on a very clear understanding that there was a higher cause than self-realization: that there were such things as right and wrong and that the former should be preferred over the latter.
But the belief that autonomous individuals had the right to make subjective judgment about what was right for them in pursuit of their unchallengeable entitlement to happiness destroyed that understanding. Progressives interpreted liberty as license, thus destroying the moral rules that make freedom a virtue."
Melanie Phillips
" When morality became privatized, the questions “what is right” became “what is right for me.” Feelings... became the arbiters of behavior. Rather than traditional taboos, only religiously based moral judgment was deemed taboo. The harm caused to abandoned spouses or children by adultery or desertion- harm that can be objectively documented in rates of ill health, depression, educational underachievement, criminal behavior- was all but ignored, while damage done to people’s feelings by condemnation of their adultery or desertion was considered unforgiveable."
"The World Turned Upside Down," Melanie Phillips, chapter 14
Yet the careful and assiduous manipulation of the sources of dissemination of knowledge has allowed the religion of death to surpass the religion of life.
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia
how about all the christian priests raping children---and the hierarchy trying to cover it up?
"...how about all the christian priests raping children..."
Perhaps you should look more closely at the 'priests' of government school.
The product of the study, titled the John Jay Report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002).
Catholic Church sex abuse cases in the United States - Wikipedia
What percent of teachers are child molestors?
They quoted a study that found that study up to 5 percent of teachers engage in some form of sexual abuse of students, from inappropriate verbal flirtation to intercourse. According to the National Center for Education Statistics.Apr 7, 2017
Who is more likely to sexually abuse your child? A Sex Offender or
How many students are sexually assaulted by teachers?
81% or eight out of 10 students experience sexual harassment in school. 83% of girls have been sexually harassed. 78% of boys have been sexually harassed. 38% of the students were harassed by teachers or school employees.
Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia
I just proved that more secular 'priests,' officials of government indoctrination do so.
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- #38
..you don't want to argue with me about military historyhow about the Crusades? where christians pillaged a crhistian city for $$$$!!Is it in the Bible....or in the other 'bible'???
1.Searching for that level of agreement in society, alas, appears elusive. But the aim is to live in harmony.
“If people are living in harmony with each other, they are living together peacefully rather than fighting or arguing. We must try to live in peace and harmony with ourselves and those around us.
Harmony definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
2. Here’s the problem: Not all see the same path nor meaning of the term:
“Karl Marx himself has stated that “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism,” a sentiment that corresponds almost exactly to the Islamic idea that “peace” means the absence of opposition to Islamic rule. Cultural Marxism — aka Political Correctness — and Islam share the same totalitarian outlook and instinctively agree in their opposition to free discussion, and in the idea that freedom of speech must be curtailed when it is “offensive” to certain groups.”
Political Correctness â The Revenge of Marxism
The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report as a guest-post at Gates of Vienna. FrontPage Magazine : You make the shrewd observation o...
3. Sooo….where can we find a more copacetic view of peace and harmony for our culture?
That is found in the Bible, the book of the Judeo-Christian faith. But, over the last century and a half, a very different ‘bible’ and ‘religion’ has come into existence….and demands itself as the replacement of the earlier faith.
Marx provides the sort of modern, secular substitute for what the Bible offers. Militant Secularism is a substitute religion for the world, based on all sorts of opposite doctrines compared to the Judeo-Christian version. And the Democrat Party reflects those contrary ideas to that which made our civilization the shining city on the hill.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
4. The first worships God, while the second provides a substitute, worship of a very different entity: “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.”
Whittaker Chambers, Witness
Under the religion of Militant Secularism, members insist that they themselves are the arbiters of good and evil. Have no doubt: every Democrat voter is a disciple of this bizarre religion.
"Classical liberalism, the optimistic doctrine that gave us liberty, democracy, progress, was a moral project. It held that human society could always better itself by encouraging the good and diminishing the bad. It rested, therefore, on a very clear understanding that there was a higher cause than self-realization: that there were such things as right and wrong and that the former should be preferred over the latter.
But the belief that autonomous individuals had the right to make subjective judgment about what was right for them in pursuit of their unchallengeable entitlement to happiness destroyed that understanding. Progressives interpreted liberty as license, thus destroying the moral rules that make freedom a virtue."
Melanie Phillips
" When morality became privatized, the questions “what is right” became “what is right for me.” Feelings... became the arbiters of behavior. Rather than traditional taboos, only religiously based moral judgment was deemed taboo. The harm caused to abandoned spouses or children by adultery or desertion- harm that can be objectively documented in rates of ill health, depression, educational underachievement, criminal behavior- was all but ignored, while damage done to people’s feelings by condemnation of their adultery or desertion was considered unforgiveable."
"The World Turned Upside Down," Melanie Phillips, chapter 14
Yet the careful and assiduous manipulation of the sources of dissemination of knowledge has allowed the religion of death to surpass the religion of life.
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia
how about all the christian priests raping children---and the hierarchy trying to cover it up?
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.
a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left
Some people blame organized religion for most of history's killings. It is also sometimes claimed that more people have been killed in the name of Christ than for any other reason.
The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.
Isn't religion to blame for most of history's killings?
OH yes--remember a war call the US Civil War--ever hear of it???
What does that have to do with fighting for their religion?
Unless your point is that the Democrat slavers fought in the name of a Satanic faith.
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"None were in defense or or support for the Judeo-Christian faith"None were in defense or or support for the Judeo-Christian faith.....dunce.I was in complete agreement with your list until I reached the first entry, WWI. Except for the Ottomans, all the participants were Christian nations and the Ottomans themselves were hardly secular. It almost seemed like you just listed wars and didn't really care about secular vs non-secular.1/10 and 10/1 are both fractions so your statement is ambiguous. If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"Certainly Christianity is no different. How many wars have been started by Christians? How many of those wars have been against other Christians? "
Not even a fraction as many as those begun by you secularists.
"If you meant that more wars have been started by secularists than by Christians I'd respond as you have before: link or lie?"
I never lie.....you know that.
First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
In 2007, a number of scientists gathered in a conference entitled “Beyond Belief: Science, Religion, Reason, and Survival”
in order to attack religious thought and congratulate one an -
other on their fearlessness in so doing. The physicist Steven
Weinberg delivered an address. As one of the authors of the
theory of electroweak unification, the work for which he was
awarded a Nobel Prize, he is a figure of great stature. “Religion,” he affirmed, “is an insult to human dignity. With or
without it you would have good people doing good things and
evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things,
that takes religion” (italics added).
In speaking thus, Weinberg was warmly applauded, not
one member of his audience asking the question one might
have thought pertinent: Just who has imposed on the suffering
human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for Zyklon B, heavy artillery,
pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs,
attack submarines, napalm, inter continental ballistic missiles,
military space platforms, and nuclear weapons?
OK?
"I was in complete agreement with your list ..."
Based on your knowledge, education, and wisdom.....I'd be horrified if that were to happen.
If so, why were they fought? And how did that differ from 'secular' wars? Seems to me Christians generally fight wars for the same reasons that non-Christians do.
Which were fought to advance Christianity?
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no, you did not refute the pointyou didn't refute the fact the MANY priests all over the US and World have raped childrenhow about the Crusades? where christians pillaged a crhistian city for $$$$!!Is it in the Bible....or in the other 'bible'???
1.Searching for that level of agreement in society, alas, appears elusive. But the aim is to live in harmony.
“If people are living in harmony with each other, they are living together peacefully rather than fighting or arguing. We must try to live in peace and harmony with ourselves and those around us.
Harmony definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
2. Here’s the problem: Not all see the same path nor meaning of the term:
“Karl Marx himself has stated that “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism,” a sentiment that corresponds almost exactly to the Islamic idea that “peace” means the absence of opposition to Islamic rule. Cultural Marxism — aka Political Correctness — and Islam share the same totalitarian outlook and instinctively agree in their opposition to free discussion, and in the idea that freedom of speech must be curtailed when it is “offensive” to certain groups.”
Political Correctness â The Revenge of Marxism
The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report as a guest-post at Gates of Vienna. FrontPage Magazine : You make the shrewd observation o...
3. Sooo….where can we find a more copacetic view of peace and harmony for our culture?
That is found in the Bible, the book of the Judeo-Christian faith. But, over the last century and a half, a very different ‘bible’ and ‘religion’ has come into existence….and demands itself as the replacement of the earlier faith.
Marx provides the sort of modern, secular substitute for what the Bible offers. Militant Secularism is a substitute religion for the world, based on all sorts of opposite doctrines compared to the Judeo-Christian version. And the Democrat Party reflects those contrary ideas to that which made our civilization the shining city on the hill.
The clearest judgement between the two religions is the track record of each. The Judeo-Christian version gave us Western Civilization, Marxism and its iterations gave us the slaughter of well over 100 million men, women and children in the century of slaughter, the 20th.
4. The first worships God, while the second provides a substitute, worship of a very different entity: “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.”
Whittaker Chambers, Witness
Under the religion of Militant Secularism, members insist that they themselves are the arbiters of good and evil. Have no doubt: every Democrat voter is a disciple of this bizarre religion.
"Classical liberalism, the optimistic doctrine that gave us liberty, democracy, progress, was a moral project. It held that human society could always better itself by encouraging the good and diminishing the bad. It rested, therefore, on a very clear understanding that there was a higher cause than self-realization: that there were such things as right and wrong and that the former should be preferred over the latter.
But the belief that autonomous individuals had the right to make subjective judgment about what was right for them in pursuit of their unchallengeable entitlement to happiness destroyed that understanding. Progressives interpreted liberty as license, thus destroying the moral rules that make freedom a virtue."
Melanie Phillips
" When morality became privatized, the questions “what is right” became “what is right for me.” Feelings... became the arbiters of behavior. Rather than traditional taboos, only religiously based moral judgment was deemed taboo. The harm caused to abandoned spouses or children by adultery or desertion- harm that can be objectively documented in rates of ill health, depression, educational underachievement, criminal behavior- was all but ignored, while damage done to people’s feelings by condemnation of their adultery or desertion was considered unforgiveable."
"The World Turned Upside Down," Melanie Phillips, chapter 14
Yet the careful and assiduous manipulation of the sources of dissemination of knowledge has allowed the religion of death to surpass the religion of life.
Siege of Zara - Wikipedia
how about all the christian priests raping children---and the hierarchy trying to cover it up?
"...how about all the christian priests raping children..."
Perhaps you should look more closely at the 'priests' of government school.
The product of the study, titled the John Jay Report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002).
Catholic Church sex abuse cases in the United States - Wikipedia
What percent of teachers are child molestors?
They quoted a study that found that study up to 5 percent of teachers engage in some form of sexual abuse of students, from inappropriate verbal flirtation to intercourse. According to the National Center for Education Statistics.Apr 7, 2017
Who is more likely to sexually abuse your child? A Sex Offender or
How many students are sexually assaulted by teachers?
81% or eight out of 10 students experience sexual harassment in school. 83% of girls have been sexually harassed. 78% of boys have been sexually harassed. 38% of the students were harassed by teachers or school employees.
Sexual harassment in education in the United States - Wikipedia
I just proved that more secular 'priests,' officials of government indoctrination do so.
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