The John Kennedy assassination ..who's who on the Grassy Knoll

[PredFan]

the op show up every six months or so, my guess is that's when he runs low.

You keep passing on chances to prove your case because you are a POS. How would you prove that Oswald could have blown the back of jfk's head off when he was behind the President?

It's been proven with models and ballistic gel.

The back of the head being blown off was proven by correctly seeing that frame 313 shows the rear gaped open with a fake red blob on the right forehead. That blob had to be placed there because the driver's shot impacted in that area. It's supposed to indicate an exit wound, but there was no such wound on this face, officially or really.

The back of his head opens up when the red mist appears in the front.

Look, I'm attempting to have a civil discussion here, remember that when I say this:

You are trying to convince us that the driver shot Kennedy and Connelly, and then put fake red stuff (paint or ink) on his face, all without Jackie Kennedy, or anyone else in the car witnessing it. Are you really trying to make us believe that?

I'm just posting evidence, not really trying to convince anyone of anything. The hole on the rear is visible in the infamous frame 313. I first noticed that over four years ago. What does the red blob represent to you, if you believe it's authentic?

Blood and tissue.

 

[7forever]

You keep passing on chances to prove your case because you are a POS. How would you prove that Oswald could have blown the back of jfk's head off when he was behind the President?

It's been proven with models and ballistic gel.

The back of the head being blown off was proven by correctly seeing that frame 313 shows the rear gaped open with a fake red blob on the right forehead. That blob had to be placed there because the driver's shot impacted in that area. It's supposed to indicate an exit wound, but there was no such wound on this face, officially or really.

The back of his head opens up when the red mist appears in the front.

Look, I'm attempting to have a civil discussion here, remember that when I say this:

You are trying to convince us that the driver shot Kennedy and Connelly, and then put fake red stuff (paint or ink) on his face, all without Jackie Kennedy, or anyone else in the car witnessing it. Are you really trying to make us believe that?

I'm just posting evidence, not really trying to convince anyone of anything. The hole on the rear is visible in the infamous frame 313. I first noticed that over four years ago. What does the red blob represent to you, if you believe it's authentic?

Blood and tissue.

That's vague, at best. It is supposed to represent an exit wound. I will repeat it a second time, if you didn't get it the first. The blob had to start there because the bullet's impact was in that location. The blob then moved to the right side and changed size, color, and shape. In other words, if the official story were correct the exit wound would not have been in the right front as is clearly the case in Zapruder.

 

[7forever]

Other than the driver and Kennedy himself, there were four people in the car. None of th saw the driver shoot Kennedy?

This has to be the looniest of the CTs surrounding his death.

You would agree that a shot in the car would produce some eyewitnesses, correct?

Yes of course.

A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass) This is one of many eyewitnesses who indicated a shot from inside the limo.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
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[PredFan]

It's been proven with models and ballistic gel.

The back of the head being blown off was proven by correctly seeing that frame 313 shows the rear gaped open with a fake red blob on the right forehead. That blob had to be placed there because the driver's shot impacted in that area. It's supposed to indicate an exit wound, but there was no such wound on this face, officially or really.

The back of his head opens up when the red mist appears in the front.

Look, I'm attempting to have a civil discussion here, remember that when I say this:

You are trying to convince us that the driver shot Kennedy and Connelly, and then put fake red stuff (paint or ink) on his face, all without Jackie Kennedy, or anyone else in the car witnessing it. Are you really trying to make us believe that?

I'm just posting evidence, not really trying to convince anyone of anything. The hole on the rear is visible in the infamous frame 313. I first noticed that over four years ago. What does the red blob represent to you, if you believe it's authentic?

Blood and tissue.

That's vague, at best. It is supposed to represent an exit wound. I will repeat it a second time, if you didn't get it the first. The blob had to start there because the bullet's impact was in that location. The blob then moved to the right side and changed size, color, and shape. In other words, if the official story were correct the exit wound would not have been in the right front as is clearly the case in Zapruder.

If you look closely at Kennedy, his head is tilted down and turned slightly toward Jackie. That would leave an exit wound out of the right front if he was shot from behind.

 

[PredFan]

Other than the driver and Kennedy himself, there were four people in the car. None of th saw the driver shoot Kennedy?

This has to be the looniest of the CTs surrounding his death.

You would agree that a shot in the car would produce some eyewitnesses, correct?

Yes of course.

A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass) This is one of many eyewitnesses who indicated a shot from inside the limo.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
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That wasn't what I meant. That guy, who was standing on the bypass isn't credible saying that he thought the shots came from in the car. My thoughts are that the 4 other people, excluding the driver and the President, should have seen the driver shoot him. There were IN THE CAR with the president. It just isn't credible that he could have shot Kennedy and Connelly and not be seen by the people in the car.

 

[7forever]

Other than the driver and Kennedy himself, there were four people in the car. None of th saw the driver shoot Kennedy?

This has to be the looniest of the CTs surrounding his death.

You would agree that a shot in the car would produce some eyewitnesses, correct?

Yes of course.

A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass) This is one of many eyewitnesses who indicated a shot from inside the limo.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
__________________

That wasn't what I meant. That guy, who was standing on the bypass isn't credible saying that he thought the shots came from in the car. My thoughts are that the 4 other people, excluding the driver and the President, should have seen the driver shoot him. There were IN THE CAR with the president. It just isn't credible that he could have shot Kennedy and Connelly and not be seen by the people in the car.

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

 

[7forever]

The back of the head being blown off was proven by correctly seeing that frame 313 shows the rear gaped open with a fake red blob on the right forehead. That blob had to be placed there because the driver's shot impacted in that area. It's supposed to indicate an exit wound, but there was no such wound on this face, officially or really.

The back of his head opens up when the red mist appears in the front.

Look, I'm attempting to have a civil discussion here, remember that when I say this:

You are trying to convince us that the driver shot Kennedy and Connelly, and then put fake red stuff (paint or ink) on his face, all without Jackie Kennedy, or anyone else in the car witnessing it. Are you really trying to make us believe that?

I'm just posting evidence, not really trying to convince anyone of anything. The hole on the rear is visible in the infamous frame 313. I first noticed that over four years ago. What does the red blob represent to you, if you believe it's authentic?

Blood and tissue.

That's vague, at best. It is supposed to represent an exit wound. I will repeat it a second time, if you didn't get it the first. The blob had to start there because the bullet's impact was in that location. The blob then moved to the right side and changed size, color, and shape. In other words, if the official story were correct the exit wound would not have been in the right front as is clearly the case in Zapruder.

If you look closely at Kennedy, his head is tilted down and turned slightly toward Jackie. That would leave an exit wound out of the right front if he was shot from behind.

I'm not sure what you're getting at? His face was clear according to all the evidence, except the x-rays.

The back of his head was blown off. Penn and idiot had jfk's face wiped out. Real evidence must always be ignored to push a false conclusion.

 

[PredFan]

Other than the driver and Kennedy himself, there were four people in the car. None of th saw the driver shoot Kennedy?

This has to be the looniest of the CTs surrounding his death.

You would agree that a shot in the car would produce some eyewitnesses, correct?

Yes of course.

A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass) This is one of many eyewitnesses who indicated a shot from inside the limo.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
__________________

That wasn't what I meant. That guy, who was standing on the bypass isn't credible saying that he thought the shots came from in the car. My thoughts are that the 4 other people, excluding the driver and the President, should have seen the driver shoot him. There were IN THE CAR with the president. It just isn't credible that he could have shot Kennedy and Connelly and not be seen by the people in the car.

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

 

[PredFan]

Look, I'm attempting to have a civil discussion here, remember that when I say this:

You are trying to convince us that the driver shot Kennedy and Connelly, and then put fake red stuff (paint or ink) on his face, all without Jackie Kennedy, or anyone else in the car witnessing it. Are you really trying to make us believe that?

I'm just posting evidence, not really trying to convince anyone of anything. The hole on the rear is visible in the infamous frame 313. I first noticed that over four years ago. What does the red blob represent to you, if you believe it's authentic?

Blood and tissue.

That's vague, at best. It is supposed to represent an exit wound. I will repeat it a second time, if you didn't get it the first. The blob had to start there because the bullet's impact was in that location. The blob then moved to the right side and changed size, color, and shape. In other words, if the official story were correct the exit wound would not have been in the right front as is clearly the case in Zapruder.

If you look closely at Kennedy, his head is tilted down and turned slightly toward Jackie. That would leave an exit wound out of the right front if he was shot from behind.

I'm not sure what you're getting at? His face was clear according to all the evidence, except the x-rays.

The back of his head was blown off. Penn and idiot had jfk's face wiped out. Real evidence must always be ignored to push a false conclusion.

Look at the autopsy photo you just provided. There is the exit wound exactly where I said it would be. JFK's head was down and to the left toward Jackie. It would leave the exit wound exactly there. That is where the "red blob" came from.

 

[7forever]

You would agree that a shot in the car would produce some eyewitnesses, correct?

Yes of course.

A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass) This is one of many eyewitnesses who indicated a shot from inside the limo.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
__________________

That wasn't what I meant. That guy, who was standing on the bypass isn't credible saying that he thought the shots came from in the car. My thoughts are that the 4 other people, excluding the driver and the President, should have seen the driver shoot him. There were IN THE CAR with the president. It just isn't credible that he could have shot Kennedy and Connelly and not be seen by the people in the car.

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

I proved Greer's shot over four years ago by showing the nix film close-up. You have no challenge to any facts I've posted and will never pose one. I only show a few seconds of tape because that's all it takes to show Greer shooting jfk. Don't forget the nix and muchmore films which contradict that Greer's left arm was not motioning back during the shooting sequence.

 

[7forever]

You would agree that a shot in the car would produce some eyewitnesses, correct?

Yes of course.

A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass) This is one of many eyewitnesses who indicated a shot from inside the limo.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
__________________

That wasn't what I meant. That guy, who was standing on the bypass isn't credible saying that he thought the shots came from in the car. My thoughts are that the 4 other people, excluding the driver and the President, should have seen the driver shoot him. There were IN THE CAR with the president. It just isn't credible that he could have shot Kennedy and Connelly and not be seen by the people in the car.

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

I proved Greer's shot over four years ago by showing the nix film close-up. You have no challenge to any facts I've posted and will never pose one. I only show a few seconds of tape because that's all it takes to show Greer shooting jfk. Don't forget the nix and muchmore films which contradict that Greer's left arm was not motioning back during the shooting sequence.

 

[PredFan]

Yes of course.

A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass) This is one of many eyewitnesses who indicated a shot from inside the limo.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
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That wasn't what I meant. That guy, who was standing on the bypass isn't credible saying that he thought the shots came from in the car. My thoughts are that the 4 other people, excluding the driver and the President, should have seen the driver shoot him. There were IN THE CAR with the president. It just isn't credible that he could have shot Kennedy and Connelly and not be seen by the people in the car.

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

I proved Greer's shot over four years ago by showing the nix film close-up. You have no challenge to any facts I've posted and will never pose one. I only show a few seconds of tape because that's all it takes to show Greer shooting jfk. Don't forget the nix and muchmore films which contradict that Greer's left arm was not motioning back during the shooting sequence.

Calm down. Let's keep this civil.

1. You never proved Greet's shit and you still haven't. You are trying, but you haven't yet.
2. I have chlenged the only fact you have presented.
3. Your tape does not show Greer shooting JFK. All it shows is an impact with Kennedy's head. Nothing more.
4. Who says that Greer's arm wasn't moving back? So what if it was? That doesn't mean he shot JFK.

 

[7forever]

A SHOT RIGHT THERE IN THE CAR

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
Posner vs Harris

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass) This is one of many eyewitnesses who indicated a shot from inside the limo.

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.

Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.
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That wasn't what I meant. That guy, who was standing on the bypass isn't credible saying that he thought the shots came from in the car. My thoughts are that the 4 other people, excluding the driver and the President, should have seen the driver shoot him. There were IN THE CAR with the president. It just isn't credible that he could have shot Kennedy and Connelly and not be seen by the people in the car.

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

I proved Greer's shot over four years ago by showing the nix film close-up. You have no challenge to any facts I've posted and will never pose one. I only show a few seconds of tape because that's all it takes to show Greer shooting jfk. Don't forget the nix and muchmore films which contradict that Greer's left arm was not motioning back during the shooting sequence.

Calm down. Let's keep this civil.

1. You never proved Greet's shit and you still haven't. You are trying, but you haven't yet.
2. I have chlenged the only fact you have presented.
3. Your tape does not show Greer shooting JFK. All it shows is an impact with Kennedy's head. Nothing more.
4. Who says that Greer's arm wasn't moving back? So what if it was? That doesn't mean he shot JFK.

If the driver didn't shoot jfk then why were both his hands off the wheel? Why was he passing a mystery object during that time?

 

[PredFan]

That wasn't what I meant. That guy, who was standing on the bypass isn't credible saying that he thought the shots came from in the car. My thoughts are that the 4 other people, excluding the driver and the President, should have seen the driver shoot him. There were IN THE CAR with the president. It just isn't credible that he could have shot Kennedy and Connelly and not be seen by the people in the car.

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

I proved Greer's shot over four years ago by showing the nix film close-up. You have no challenge to any facts I've posted and will never pose one. I only show a few seconds of tape because that's all it takes to show Greer shooting jfk. Don't forget the nix and muchmore films which contradict that Greer's left arm was not motioning back during the shooting sequence.

Calm down. Let's keep this civil.

1. You never proved Greet's shit and you still haven't. You are trying, but you haven't yet.
2. I have chlenged the only fact you have presented.
3. Your tape does not show Greer shooting JFK. All it shows is an impact with Kennedy's head. Nothing more.
4. Who says that Greer's arm wasn't moving back? So what if it was? That doesn't mean he shot JFK.

1. I didn't have to try. I was given the nix link years ago and that proved it.
2. You have challenged nothing. Show one example.
3. Three films assist in proving Greer's. Go back through this thread and quote and challenge anything you wish.
4. Are you claiming that Greer's arm is motioning back in Zapruder?

1. Your link proved nothing.
2. I've challenged everything, I'm challenging you now.
3. No, they don't. I've shown you why they don't. I challenged them and proved otherwise.
4. Greer's arm might be moving back. It's hard to tell. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. So it was moving back? So what?

Also, the "shit" comment in that previous response from me was a typo.

 

[7forever]

I'm just posting evidence, not really trying to convince anyone of anything. The hole on the rear is visible in the infamous frame 313. I first noticed that over four years ago. What does the red blob represent to you, if you believe it's authentic?

Blood and tissue.

That's vague, at best. It is supposed to represent an exit wound. I will repeat it a second time, if you didn't get it the first. The blob had to start there because the bullet's impact was in that location. The blob then moved to the right side and changed size, color, and shape. In other words, if the official story were correct the exit wound would not have been in the right front as is clearly the case in Zapruder.

If you look closely at Kennedy, his head is tilted down and turned slightly toward Jackie. That would leave an exit wound out of the right front if he was shot from behind.

I'm not sure what you're getting at? His face was clear according to all the evidence, except the x-rays.

The back of his head was blown off. Penn and idiot had jfk's face wiped out. Real evidence must always be ignored to push a false conclusion.

Look at the autopsy photo you just provided. There is the exit wound exactly where I said it would be. JFK's head was down and to the left toward Jackie. It would leave the exit wound exactly there. That is where the "red blob" came from.

The red blob is fake and was on the right forehead. I drew a line on the right rear where the exit wound was and always will be.

 

[7forever]

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

I proved Greer's shot over four years ago by showing the nix film close-up. You have no challenge to any facts I've posted and will never pose one. I only show a few seconds of tape because that's all it takes to show Greer shooting jfk. Don't forget the nix and muchmore films which contradict that Greer's left arm was not motioning back during the shooting sequence.

Calm down. Let's keep this civil.

1. You never proved Greet's shit and you still haven't. You are trying, but you haven't yet.
2. I have chlenged the only fact you have presented.
3. Your tape does not show Greer shooting JFK. All it shows is an impact with Kennedy's head. Nothing more.
4. Who says that Greer's arm wasn't moving back? So what if it was? That doesn't mean he shot JFK.

1. I didn't have to try. I was given the nix link years ago and that proved it.
2. You have challenged nothing. Show one example.
3. Three films assist in proving Greer's. Go back through this thread and quote and challenge anything you wish.
4. Are you claiming that Greer's arm is motioning back in Zapruder?

1. Your link proved nothing.
2. I've challenged everything, I'm challenging you now.
3. No, they don't. I've shown you why they don't. I challenged them and proved otherwise.
4. Greer's arm might be moving back. It's hard to tell. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. So it was moving back? So what?

Also, the "shit" comment in that previous response from me was a typo.

4. Greer's left arm was moving back, but not in the Zapruder film. It's not hard to tell at all. Why would be it be altered in the most popular film?

 

[7forever]

Connally did see the shot. That new pic and gif I posted was the reason I bumped the thread. Connally saw Greer's shot or at least saw the smoking gun afterward. He didn't say anything because it was politically incorrect and likely would have gotten him killed. Nothing has to happen for something to have happened. Austin Miller is corroborated by tons of other evidence and many more witnesses reported a shot in or around the limo.

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

I proved Greer's shot over four years ago by showing the nix film close-up. You have no challenge to any facts I've posted and will never pose one. I only show a few seconds of tape because that's all it takes to show Greer shooting jfk. Don't forget the nix and muchmore films which contradict that Greer's left arm was not motioning back during the shooting sequence.

Calm down. Let's keep this civil.

1. You never proved Greet's shit and you still haven't. You are trying, but you haven't yet.
2. I have chlenged the only fact you have presented.
3. Your tape does not show Greer shooting JFK. All it shows is an impact with Kennedy's head. Nothing more.
4. Who says that Greer's arm wasn't moving back? So what if it was? That doesn't mean he shot JFK.

1. I didn't have to try. I was given the nix link years ago and that proved it.
2. You have challenged nothing. Show one example.
3. Three films assist in proving Greer's. Go back through this thread and quote and challenge anything you wish.
4. Are you claiming that Greer's arm is motioning back in Zapruder?

1. Your link proved nothing.

Also, the "shit" comment in that previous response from me was a typo.

Why would Greer be passing an object with BOTH hands off the wheel four seconds before the shot?

 

[PredFan]

Blood and tissue.

That's vague, at best. It is supposed to represent an exit wound. I will repeat it a second time, if you didn't get it the first. The blob had to start there because the bullet's impact was in that location. The blob then moved to the right side and changed size, color, and shape. In other words, if the official story were correct the exit wound would not have been in the right front as is clearly the case in Zapruder.

If you look closely at Kennedy, his head is tilted down and turned slightly toward Jackie. That would leave an exit wound out of the right front if he was shot from behind.

I'm not sure what you're getting at? His face was clear according to all the evidence, except the x-rays.

The back of his head was blown off. Penn and idiot had jfk's face wiped out. Real evidence must always be ignored to push a false conclusion.

Look at the autopsy photo you just provided. There is the exit wound exactly where I said it would be. JFK's head was down and to the left toward Jackie. It would leave the exit wound exactly there. That is where the "red blob" came from.

The red blob is fake and was on the right forehead. I drew a line on the right rear where the exit wound was and always will be.

It's fake is it? They had that kind of technology back in the early sixties did they? Did they also fake the exit wound on the right upper forehead in the autopsy?

 

[7forever]

That's vague, at best. It is supposed to represent an exit wound. I will repeat it a second time, if you didn't get it the first. The blob had to start there because the bullet's impact was in that location. The blob then moved to the right side and changed size, color, and shape. In other words, if the official story were correct the exit wound would not have been in the right front as is clearly the case in Zapruder.

If you look closely at Kennedy, his head is tilted down and turned slightly toward Jackie. That would leave an exit wound out of the right front if he was shot from behind.

I'm not sure what you're getting at? His face was clear according to all the evidence, except the x-rays.

The back of his head was blown off. Penn and idiot had jfk's face wiped out. Real evidence must always be ignored to push a false conclusion.

Look at the autopsy photo you just provided. There is the exit wound exactly where I said it would be. JFK's head was down and to the left toward Jackie. It would leave the exit wound exactly there. That is where the "red blob" came from.

The red blob is fake and was on the right forehead. I drew a line on the right rear where the exit wound was and always will be.

It's fake is it? They had that kind of technology back in the early sixties did they? Did they also fake the exit wound on the right upper forehead in the autopsy?

The rear exit wound isn't faked in frame 313, but it doesn't appear in many other frames. There was an entrance wound in the area of the red blob, no large exit. The AR is consistent with no exit there.

 

[PredFan]

Even if I believed you that Connally was kept quiet by threats and payment, there was Jackie Kennedy and two others in the car as well. It isn't credible that all of th would have been kept quiet all this time.

And you haven't shown an ounce of the "tons" of evidence. All you have shown is a few seconds if a tape that is easily debunked. Sorry, you have not made your case.

I proved Greer's shot over four years ago by showing the nix film close-up. You have no challenge to any facts I've posted and will never pose one. I only show a few seconds of tape because that's all it takes to show Greer shooting jfk. Don't forget the nix and muchmore films which contradict that Greer's left arm was not motioning back during the shooting sequence.

Calm down. Let's keep this civil.

1. You never proved Greet's shit and you still haven't. You are trying, but you haven't yet.
2. I have chlenged the only fact you have presented.
3. Your tape does not show Greer shooting JFK. All it shows is an impact with Kennedy's head. Nothing more.
4. Who says that Greer's arm wasn't moving back? So what if it was? That doesn't mean he shot JFK.

1. I didn't have to try. I was given the nix link years ago and that proved it.
2. You have challenged nothing. Show one example.
3. Three films assist in proving Greer's. Go back through this thread and quote and challenge anything you wish.
4. Are you claiming that Greer's arm is motioning back in Zapruder?

1. Your link proved nothing.
2. I've challenged everything, I'm challenging you now.
3. No, they don't. I've shown you why they don't. I challenged them and proved otherwise.
4. Greer's arm might be moving back. It's hard to tell. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. So it was moving back? So what?

Also, the "shit" comment in that previous response from me was a typo.

4. Greer's left arm was moving back, but not in the Zapruder film. It's not hard to tell at all. Why would be it be altered in the most popular film?

Wait what? Aren't you talking about the Zapruder film? That's the clip you showed. What makes you think that the other one wasn't faked? Likely, the Zapruder film is the accurate one and the other one is fake.
That makes a lot more sense than to believe that the driver shot Kennedy and Connally without anyone in the car seeing it.