CDZ The Jobs Ain't Coming Back

[william the wie]

Trump and Sanders think they can bring back good jobs to the US but three things say no:

1) The Japanese model of rapid development does work within its limits, which are pretty rigid:

Birthrates must be artificially reduced and particularly female births must be reduced. This will increase the Labor force fraction until the resulting higher incomes cause a massive surplus of retirees and the country stalls as is happening in China right now.

Only so many people/countries can use this model at the same time. India and Brazil are the two most likely countries to be the next Japan/China. There will be more countries after them so this trend will not slow down.

As the transition to a pensioner society hits so does automation. Beating foreign workers is one thing trying to beat an automated assembly line with anything but an automated assembly line does not work.

2) The golden parachutes for the bureaucracy is in academia. This results in the oddity of Harvard being considered the best college in the country when by most metrics it is not even the best college in Boston. That honor goes to MIT. Harvard is best known tor its law and business schools. MIT is best known as an engineering school. Most bureaucrats are not engineers. Therefore a lot of propaganda to promote worthless degrees and massive student debt has created a huge drag on job creation.

3) Debt in general and deflation being imported from the EU and Far East is another huge drag on the economy and job creation. The still massive housing debts prevent people from going to where the jobs are.

Therefore all this hob creation crap is just that, crap.

 

[alpine]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects, financed by the rich, to create jobs. This is a proven technique, and would work.

Trump on the other hand, offer absolutely nothing, other than utter bs...

 

[The Irish Ram]

Who pays when the rich leave? Have you noticed that the rich are leaving and are taking their companies with them? Remember when Obomb touted the shovel ready infrastructure bullshit? Ask Flint how well that worked.
Hitlery has already told you that in order to build up the Pacific Rim, that jobs would necessarily HAVE to leave our country.

So ask yourself, why are jobs a bad thing for America but a really good thing for Asia?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Who pays when the rich leave? Have you noticed that the rich are leaving and are taking their companies with them? Remember when Obomb touted the shovel ready infrastructure bullshit? Ask Flint how well that worked.
Hitlery has already told you that in order to build up the Pacific Rim, that jobs would necessarily HAVE to leave our country.

So ask yourself, why are jobs a bad thing for America but a really good thing for Asia?

Yes, american style capitalism is colonial in nature. It has sodomized this society and is now moving on to greener pastures.

 

[alpine]

Who pays when the rich leave? Have you noticed that the rich are leaving and are taking their companies with them? Remember when Obomb touted the shovel ready infrastructure bullshit? Ask Flint how well that worked.
Hitlery has already told you that in order to build up the Pacific Rim, that jobs would necessarily HAVE to leave our country.

So ask yourself, why are jobs a bad thing for America but a really good thing for Asia?

Rich people keeping their money in offshore accounts doesnt mean they are leaving, it means they are hiding their money, from you...

They aint leaving anywhere, they still enjoy the freedom, luxury and safety this country is providing them, and they will keep to do so...

The money staying in an offshore account aint gonna create any jobs for you, therefore has no good for you, dont fool yourself...

 

[Weatherman2020]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects

As Obama did in 2008. What we got was the slowest economic recovery in US history.

 

[320 Years of History]

2) The golden parachutes for the bureaucracy is in academia. This results in the oddity of Harvard being considered the best college in the country when by most metrics it is not even the best college in Boston. That honor goes to MIT. Harvard is best known tor its law and business schools. MIT is best known as an engineering school. Most bureaucrats are not engineers. Therefore a lot of propaganda to promote worthless degrees and massive student debt has created a huge drag on job creation.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what the above has to do with whether jobs are or are not coming back.

 

[william the wie]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects, financed by the rich, to create jobs. This is a proven technique, and would work.

Trump on the other hand, offer absolutely nothing, other than utter bs...

You might want to examine land costs, topology, population and Sanders' votes for high speed rail. The only place high speed rail can

a) add a large economic impact at reasonable cost is in the Great Plains,

b) the northeast corridor is neither high speed nor has it added value.

c) the west coast boondoggle is a net loss.

Methinks you didn't before posting.

 

[Katzndogz]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects, financed by the rich, to create jobs. This is a proven technique, and would work.

Trump on the other hand, offer absolutely nothing, other than utter bs...

This is the model Venezuela has. How is that model working by the way?

 

[Correll]

2) The golden parachutes for the bureaucracy is in academia. This results in the oddity of Harvard being considered the best college in the country when by most metrics it is not even the best college in Boston. That honor goes to MIT. Harvard is best known tor its law and business schools. MIT is best known as an engineering school. Most bureaucrats are not engineers. Therefore a lot of propaganda to promote worthless degrees and massive student debt has created a huge drag on job creation.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what the above has to do with whether jobs are or are not coming back.

None of has anything really to do with the thread title.

 

[alpine]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects, financed by the rich, to create jobs. This is a proven technique, and would work.

Trump on the other hand, offer absolutely nothing, other than utter bs...

This is the model Venezuela has. How is that model working by the way?

Obama...

Venezuela...

ISIS.....


Did I get it right???

 

[Correll]

Trump and Sanders think they can bring back good jobs to the US but three things say no:

1) The Japanese model of rapid development does work within its limits, which are pretty rigid:

Birthrates must be artificially reduced and particularly female births must be reduced. This will increase the Labor force fraction until the resulting higher incomes cause a massive surplus of retirees and the country stalls as is happening in China right now.

Only so many people/countries can use this model at the same time. India and Brazil are the two most likely countries to be the next Japan/China. There will be more countries after them so this trend will not slow down.

As the transition to a pensioner society hits so does automation. Beating foreign workers is one thing trying to beat an automated assembly line with anything but an automated assembly line does not work.

The goal is not "rapid development" but simply to bring back jobs that have been lost due to bad trade deals.

We are not transitioning to a "pensioner society". We have plenty of workers to man assembly lines.

2) The golden parachutes for the bureaucracy is in academia. This results in the oddity of Harvard being considered the best college in the country when by most metrics it is not even the best college in Boston. That honor goes to MIT. Harvard is best known tor its law and business schools. MIT is best known as an engineering school. Most bureaucrats are not engineers. Therefore a lot of propaganda to promote worthless degrees and massive student debt has created a huge drag on job creation.

There are a number of problems with the education system that does indeed "promote worthless degrees and massive student debt".


I don't see much of a connection between that and job creation. And regardless, that issue is no reason that other factors cannot be dealt with, with good results.

3) Debt in general and deflation being imported from the EU and Far East is another huge drag on the economy and job creation. The still massive housing debts prevent people from going to where the jobs are.

Therefore all this hob creation crap is just that, crap.

Again the connection between debt and job creation seems far more tenuous than between bad trade deals and job creation.



There is no reason that "the jobs" can't come back, to a great degree.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects, financed by the rich, to create jobs. This is a proven technique, and would work.

Trump on the other hand, offer absolutely nothing, other than utter bs...

The Robin Hood fallacy.

You say it would work, yet in all of history it has never worked yet.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Yes, american style capitalism is colonial in nature. It has sodomized this society and is now moving on to greener pastures.

Ah, so grade school studies proved far too rigorous for you.

 

[alpine]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects, financed by the rich, to create jobs. This is a proven technique, and would work.

Trump on the other hand, offer absolutely nothing, other than utter bs...

The Robin Hood fallacy.

You say it would work, yet in all of history it has never worked yet.

What has not worked?

What does this have to do with Robin Hood?

Do you even know what you are talking about?


Look it up, its called infrastructure based development. Very basic economics. Proved to work in the short run, and again proved to be harmful in the long run, unless supplemented with other economic reforms. A lot of other countries, including USA have tried and got positive results.



But again, who am I talking to....

ISIS, Venezuela, Obama..........
That should be enough for you people...

 

[The Irish Ram]

Who pays when the rich leave? Have you noticed that the rich are leaving and are taking their companies with them? Remember when Obomb touted the shovel ready infrastructure bullshit? Ask Flint how well that worked.
Hitlery has already told you that in order to build up the Pacific Rim, that jobs would necessarily HAVE to leave our country.

So ask yourself, why are jobs a bad thing for America but a really good thing for Asia?

Yes, american style capitalism is colonial in nature. It has sodomized this society and is now moving on to greener pastures.

So you never intend to work for a living?

 

[Uncensored2008]

What has not worked?

The Robin Hood fallacy, the idea that you can rob the rich to give to those you deem more deserving (yourself.)

What does this have to do with Robin Hood?

Do you even know what you are talking about?

You propose robbing the rich on behalf of some unnamed poor.

Look it up, its called infrastructure based development. Very basic economics. Proved to work in the short run, and again proved to be harmful in the long run, unless supplemented with other economic reforms. A lot of other countries, including USA have tried and got positive results.



But again, who am I talking to....

ISIS, Venezuela, Obama..........
That should be enough for you people...

What you are attempting to describe is Keynesian stimulus. The efficacy of such programs is highly questionable. Porkulus was an utter failure, but the inherent fraud makes it questionable as to whether it qualifies as Keynesian stimulus at all.

Regardless, what you propose is the Robin Hood fallacy. To rob the rich as a means of funding infrastructure (or straight graft) necessitates the removal of capital from the circular flow, it is effectively a leakage and will retard production. This is why such a move is termed a fallacy by Keynesian economists.

 

[william the wie]

2) The golden parachutes for the bureaucracy is in academia. This results in the oddity of Harvard being considered the best college in the country when by most metrics it is not even the best college in Boston. That honor goes to MIT. Harvard is best known tor its law and business schools. MIT is best known as an engineering school. Most bureaucrats are not engineers. Therefore a lot of propaganda to promote worthless degrees and massive student debt has created a huge drag on job creation.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what the above has to do with whether jobs are or are not coming back.

I sympathize labor and by extension behavioral economics is just plain strange. In this case a bad degree creates a get back to even response which is bad. It also creates over-qualified status, which closes a lot of doors.

 

[william the wie]

OK here's a second way of putting the same thesis:

1) Entanglement with fast growing countries is profitable as with aerospace currently. Getting unentangled when they start to collapse as with China is very hard to do.

2) The federal government is funding the education of people who will not get skills that are in demand.but will get debts that persist.

3) the leftover debris of past stimulus packages interferes with economic growth.

 

[warf]

As long as it pays to offshore that's what they will do.

But if there was a hefty duty on manufactured goods that were once made in the U.S. the jobs would return.

It was our elected representatives who passed laws permitting our economic elite to destroy the middle class. Blame them and remember on election day.