Zone1 The Jews (who remain such) should recall their man Moses spoke of Jesus

[surada]

They wanted a warrior king.

The issue of the times was Roman occupation. The Jews were fractured... They were fighting each other and the Romans.

 

[surada]

yes, but not people. And also sacrificing birds, goats, bulls, rams and flour. So? The paschal offering of a lamb was not a sin sacrifice. So in what sense would Jesus be a sacrificial lamb? And how can one sacrifice a person in Judaism?

Ouch.

 

[irosie91]

I don't know, Rosie... Was he supposed to be an anointed king like David?

I have never come across such an idea

 

[irosie91]

Moses predicted someone like him that the people would accept and follow. They crucified Jesus.

really??? -----did you let moses know about it??

 

[surada]

really??? -----did you let moses know about it??

See Deuteronomy 18:15,19... I think that's what it's about.

 

[irosie91]

See Deuteronomy 18:15,19... I think that's what it's about.

I do not trust that translation. It would be out of character for
Moses to describe HIMSELF as a "PROPHET" or to predict some
'other great guy like me...' in the distant future who will do or say
this or that

 

[surada]

I do not trust that translation. It would be out of character for
Moses to describe HIMSELF as a "PROPHET" or to predict some
'other great guy like me...' in the distant future who will do or say
this or that

That's why I posted to you. I'd like to know what you think of Deuteronomy 18:15,19.

 

[irosie91]

That's why I posted to you. I'd like to know what you think of Deuteronomy 18:15,19.

I'd like to see it in the original language. I do not believe
that Moses said "I AM A PROPHET" As it stands I do not see
it is a prediction of Jesus or Muhummad or anyone else in
particular

 

[ozro]

So, as the Word says, "If they do not believe Moses and the prophets, neither will they listen to one who returns from the dead (Luke 1619)

People believe (in other words) what they "want" to believe...

Why would the Jews wait for a better Messiah than Jesus? He healed people, He caused them to rise from the dead...

What more could they possibly ask for???

You quote Christian bible text to Jews, and expect any of us to believe it?
Fool.

 

[AsherN]

I'd like to see it in the original language. I do not believe
that Moses said "I AM A PROPHET" As it stands I do not see
it is a prediction of Jesus or Muhummad or anyone else in
particular

He does not. He speaks a "a" prophet the the lord will raise.

 

[surada]

I'd like to see it in the original language. I do not believe
that Moses said "I AM A PROPHET" As it stands I do not see
it is a prediction of Jesus or Muhummad or anyone else in
particular

Well, you're talking to the wrong girl. I don't know any Hebrew. Another prophet didn't necessarily mean Jesus.. There are no references to Jesus in the old testament.

 

[chesswarsnow]

So, as the Word says, "If they do not believe Moses and the prophets, neither will they listen to one who returns from the dead (Luke 1619)

People believe (in other words) what they "want" to believe...

Why would the Jews wait for a better Messiah than Jesus? He healed people, He caused them to rise from the dead...

What more could they possibly ask for???

Sorry bout that,

1. Moses had a hard time leading the Jews, he managed to get them into the Holy Land, and set to meet the, Lord, and they rejected his teachings, they are like a stubborn jackass, in a sense, but Moses, will talk to G-D, and they together will, keep trying.
2. G-D bless the Jews.
3. Moses shall return first to the, Jews, and he will be fitted with Wings, and Super Natural Powers, he will be a beacon for, Jesus's return.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[TruthNotBS]

So, as the Word says, "If they do not believe Moses and the prophets, neither will they listen to one who returns from the dead (Luke 1619)

People believe (in other words) what they "want" to believe...

Why would the Jews wait for a better Messiah than Jesus? He healed people, He caused them to rise from the dead...

What more could they possibly ask for???

They don't believe that their messiah, will be almighty GOD incarnate, or will die for anyone's sins. They don't believe God is going to die for anyone's sins. Christians also assert that Jews don't have to keep the Torah anymore, so that's one of the reasons they reject Christianity. Some believe the Torah will be nullified by the messiah, but what will replace it isn't Christianity.

 

[rosends]

They don't believe that their messiah, will be almighty GOD incarnate, or will die for anyone's sins. They don't believe God is going to die for anyone's sins. Christians also assert that Jews don't have to keep the Torah anymore, so that's one of the reasons they reject Christianity. Some believe the Torah will be nullified by the messiah, but what will replace it isn't Christianity.

I have never met nor have I heard of a Jew who believes that the Torah will be nullified by the Messiah.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I have never met nor have I heard of a Jew who believes that the Torah will be nullified by the Messiah.

Maybe I misinterpreted the references that I read about how the Torah will change in what Jews call the "World To Come".

• Rabbi Chaim Vital, a disciple of the Arizal, writes in Sha'ar Hakavanot: He discusses that in the Messianic era, there will be a new Torah, meaning new insights and dimensions of Torah will be revealed, but this does not imply a change in the Torah itself.
• Tanya, Likutei Amarim, Chapter 36: The Alter Rebbe explains that the ultimate purpose of creation will be revealed in the days of the Messiah, including a deeper understanding of the Torah.

I admit, I might have misinterpreted the text that I read on this issue. This was like twenty-five years ago, when I bought a book in a Judaic bookstore in Miami Beach about the Jewish messiah.

 

[rosends]

Maybe I misinterpreted the references that I read about how the Torah will change in what Jews call the "World To Come".

• Rabbi Chaim Vital, a disciple of the Arizal, writes in Sha'ar Hakavanot: He discusses that in the Messianic era, there will be a new Torah, meaning new insights and dimensions of Torah will be revealed, but this does not imply a change in the Torah itself.
• Tanya, Likutei Amarim, Chapter 36: The Alter Rebbe explains that the ultimate purpose of creation will be revealed in the days of the Messiah, including a deeper understanding of the Torah.

I admit, I might have misinterpreted the text that I read on this issue. This was like twenty-five years ago, when I bought a book in a Judaic bookstore in Miami Beach about the Jewish messiah.

The torsg will actually be even more in effect because we will understand it's mysteries more clearly. There are rabbinical statements about which holidays we will still observe and how our observance will change but nothing is nullified.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The torsg will actually be even more in effect because we will understand it's mysteries more clearly. There are rabbinical statements about which holidays we will still observe and how our observance will change but nothing is nullified.

I shouldn't have said "nullified", I meant changed or transformed.

 

[irosie91]

Maybe I misinterpreted the references that I read about how the Torah will change in what Jews call the "World To Come".

• Rabbi Chaim Vital, a disciple of the Arizal, writes in Sha'ar Hakavanot: He discusses that in the Messianic era, there will be a new Torah, meaning new insights and dimensions of Torah will be revealed, but this does not imply a change in the Torah itself.
• Tanya, Likutei Amarim, Chapter 36: The Alter Rebbe explains that the ultimate purpose of creation will be revealed in the days of the Messiah, including a deeper understanding of the Torah.

I admit, I might have misinterpreted the text that I read on this issue. This was like twenty-five years ago, when I bought a book in a Judaic bookstore in Miami Beach about the Jewish messiah.

It's ok----the word "TORAH" itself does not always mean that particular writing in the particular scroll. The use of the word "torah" depends on context

 

[chesswarsnow]

They don't believe that their messiah, will be almighty GOD incarnate, or will die for anyone's sins. They don't believe God is going to die for anyone's sins. Christians also assert that Jews don't have to keep the Torah anymore, so that's one of the reasons they reject Christianity. Some believe the Torah will be nullified by the messiah, but what will replace it isn't Christianity.

Sorry bout that,

1. This is total off the wall theory, not understandable to me, but you do you pal.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. The Three Prophets shall return to the Holy Land, Moses, Elijah and Jonah, and they will be, sent back by, G-D, in order to prepare the stubborn Jews for, Christs return, this will be the last time Moses, will try to save them, those who wont listen well you know,.....

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas