The Issue Of The Land

[surada]

Qur'an makes no mention of "Palestinians" -- but does mention Israel:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

New Testament makes no mention of "Palestinians" -- but does mention Judea and Israel:

"Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea," (Matthew 2:1) and that his father, "took the young child [Jesus] and his mother and came into the land of Israel." (Matthew 2:20)

What a positively stupid thing to say.

 

[MJB12741]

What a positively stupid thing to say.

Why do you dispute the Qur'an?

 

[surada]

Why do you dispute the Qur'an?

Read your Bible. There were Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile. Long before Islam. Sargon2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 500 BC. Why should I read the Koran?

 

[MJB12741]

Read your Bible. There were Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile. Long before Islam. Sargon2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 500 BC. Why should I read the Koran?

Oh now I get it. Those native Arabs at the end of the Babylonian exile were called "Palestinians", right?

 

[rylah]

Read your Bible. There were Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile. Long before Islam. Sargon2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 500 BC. Why should I read the Koran?

The imperialist Sargon who moved conquered nations as a policy,
and attested the Arabs being foreign in Levant?

An argument for an Arab colony...

 

[MJB12741]

Oh now I get it. Those native Arabs at the end of the Babylonian exile were called "Palestinians", right?

Hello! Is Surada home?

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

What a positively stupid thing to say.

Where do the Qur'an and New Testament mention, "Palestinians," stupe?

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

Not true. Article 80 merely froze the agreements made during the Mandate period. According to the Mandate, the Jewish National Home was Palestinian citizenship for the Jews. As Palestinian citizens the Jews could live anywhere in Palestine. There was no mention of a Jewish state.

United Nations Charter Article 80

1 Except as may be agreed upon in individual trusteeship agreements, made under Articles 77, 79, and 81, placing each territory under the trusteeship system, and until such agreements have been concluded, nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties.
Preamble

"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds to reconstitute their national home in that country ..." Preamble, Mandate for Palestine

"Article 6

"The Administration of Palestine ... shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes."

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

Read your Bible. There were Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile. Long before Islam. Sargon2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 500 BC. Why should I read the Koran?

Where were the "Palestinians"?

 

[MJB12741]

Read your Bible. There were Arabs in Jerusalem at the end of the Babylonian exile. Long before Islam. Sargon2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 500 BC. Why should I read the Koran?

And they were called "Palestinians" right Surada? Heh Heh.

 

[surada]

Where were the "Palestinians"?

They lived in the Syrian province of Palestine. Read the thread.

And they were called "Palestinians" right Surada? Heh Heh.

Only since about 1890. What would you call Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in Palestine for thousands of years?

 

[rosends]

They lived in the Syrian province of Palestine. Read the thread.

Only since about 1890. What would you call Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in Palestine for thousands of years?

If you would call natives in what turned into Michigan "North Americans" and not just Chippewa.

 

[rylah]

They lived in the Syrian province of Palestine. Read the thread.

Only since about 1890. What would you call Muslims, Christians and Jews who lived in Palestine for thousands of years?

Why call people names they don't call themselves?

Also, Muslims and Christians are religious groups,
Jews are a nation, with laws for a specific land.

 

[surada]

Why would you call people names they don't call themselves?

Also, Muslims and Christians are religious groups,
Jews are a nation, religious or secular.

Lebanese Arabs, Syrian Arabs, Jordanian Arabs etc.

 

[surada]

Why would you call people names they don't call themselves?

Also, Muslims and Christians are religious groups,
Jews are a nation, religious or secular.

They weren't really. Most of their history they were a vassal state.

 

[rylah]

They weren't really. Most of their history they were a vassal state.

Is that a power based argument, or you have a point?

Again, Muslims and Christians are religious groups,
Jews are a nation, with laws for a specific land.

 

[rylah]

Lebanese Arabs, Syrian Arabs, Jordanian Arabs etc.

Jordanians maybe.

Not sure all Syrians and Lebanese
identify as Arabs, there're indigenous minorities.

 

[surada]

Jordanians maybe,
I'm not sure all Syrians and Lebanese
identify as Arabs, there're indigenous minorities.

Of course they do.

 

[rylah]

Let's face it,

Muslims don't celebrate a single harvest festival.

And all their cultural clock depends on the land of...Arabia.

 

[surada]

Let's face it,

Muslims don't celebrate a single harvest festival.

And all their cultural clock and yearly cycle depends on the land of...Arabia.

Lol. Agriculture isn't their strong suit obviously.