The Issue Of The Land

[Toddsterpatriot]

All of it. Israel owns nothing.

Weird, all of that Palestinian held territory with no country of Palestine. Ever. Anywhere.
Meanwhile Israel owns more and more.

 

[P F Tinmore]

After the 1948 war, Palestine was still Palestine. (see the 1949 Armistice Agreements)

You need to read those. They are very informative.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Weird, all of that Palestinian held territory with no country of Palestine. Ever. Anywhere.
Meanwhile Israel owns more and more.

Links?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You need to read those. They are very informative.

No Palestinians, very informative.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Links?

 

[MJB12741]

The Qur'an specifies that the Land of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, that God Himself gave that Land to them as heritage and ordered them to live therein. Check it out.

 

[P F Tinmore]

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Israel's occupation keeps getting bigger.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel's occupation keeps getting bigger.

And your imaginary country keeps getting smaller.

 

[rylah]

Israel's occupation keeps getting bigger.

Why so greedy?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why so greedy?

Doesn't matter. Israel has no title to it.

 

[rylah]

Doesn't matter. Israel has no title to it.

If that was correct, means Arabs can steal the entire Middle East?

Greed is the only thing driving Arab imperisalism.

 

[MJB12741]

Doesn't matter. Israel has no title to it.

Oh now I get it. Israel has no title to the land but the Palestinians do. Right Tinmore?

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

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Virtually all of Palestine's cities and villages predate the Ottoman Empire. Many have histories going back thousands of years. All of the previous citizens (Muslims, Christians, Jews, and others) became Palestinians. The nationality was territorial not religious.

It would interest you to know that the British-issued, 1937 Palestine Royal Commission Report (P.4) refers to the land in question as "Jewish Palestine" and the Muslims there as occupiers (p.7).

"Palestinian" as a noun is non-existent in ancient literature. If you gainsay my assertion, I challenge you to name a source saying otherwise.

We are dealing here with citizenship not nationality hence the PLO's 1964 Covenant: Article 7. "Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine."

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

You forget that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians had lived there 2000 years.

I take that you are a supporter of illegal immigrants in the US.

Qur'an makes no mention of "Palestinians" -- but does mention Israel:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

New Testament makes no mention of "Palestinians" -- but does mention Judea and Israel:

"Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea," (Matthew 2:1) and that his father, "took the young child [Jesus] and his mother and came into the land of Israel." (Matthew 2:20)

 

[P F Tinmore]

It would interest you to know that the British-issued, 1937 Palestine Royal Commission Report (P.4) refers to the land in question as "Jewish Palestine" and the Muslims there as occupiers (p.7).

"Palestinian" as a noun is non-existent in ancient literature. If you gainsay my assertion, I challenge you to name a source saying otherwise.

We are dealing here with citizenship not nationality hence the PLO's 1964 Covenant: Article 7. "Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine."

So? Has nothing to do with international law.

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

So? Has nothing to do with international law.

After World War l, the Principal Allied Powers (UK, France, Italy, Japan, U.S.*) took possession of the territories of the defeated Ottoman Turks, who had occupied Israel for four hundred years (1516-1917). As victors in said war, they had the power of dispossession and disposition; their decision at San Remo in 1920 to reserve the land in question for the Jewish People in recognition of their "historical connection to the land and on the grounds of reconstituting their national home in that country," as set forth in the preamble and article 6 of the Palestine Mandate, was recognized by the League of Nations (the United Nations predecessor) in 1922, and it is still in force per the United Nations' Charter, Article 80. This was the beginning when the Jewish People's right to all the land west of the Jordan River was established in international law.

*The US was not a member of the League of Nations, but the Lodge-Fish Resolution, passed by both houses of Congress on June 1922, endorsed the Mandate for Palestine; it was then signed by President Warren Harding on September 1922.

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

Before the Jews there were Canaanites, Natufians and Akkadians .

Where were the "Palestinians"?

 

[P F Tinmore]

After World War l, the Principal Allied Powers (UK, France, Italy, Japan, U.S.*) took possession of the territories of the defeated Ottoman Turks, who had occupied Israel for four hundred years (1516-1917). As victors in said war, they had the power of dispossession and disposition; their decision at San Remo in 1920 to reserve the land in question for the Jewish People in recognition of their "historical connection to the land and on the grounds of reconstituting their national home in that country," as set forth in the preamble and article 6 of the Palestine Mandate, was recognized by the League of Nations (the United Nations predecessor) in 1922, and it is still in force per the United Nations' Charter, Article 80. This was the beginning when the Jewish People's right to all the land west of the Jordan River was established in international law.

*The US was not a member of the League of Nations, but the Lodge-Fish Resolution, passed by both houses of Congress on June 1922, endorsed the Mandate for Palestine; it was then signed by President Warren Harding on September 1922.

After World War l, the Principal Allied Powers (UK, France, Italy, Japan, U.S.*) took possession of the territories of the defeated Ottoman Turks,

Not true. The Allied Powers decided not to annex the territory but to divide the territory into new states. The Treaty of Lausanne ceded the territory to the respective new states.

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

Not true. The Allied Powers decided not to annex the territory but to divide the territory into new states. The Treaty of Lausanne ceded the territory to the respective new states.

Yeah, Iraq, Syria/Lebanon. Btw, did anyone mention any "Palestinians"?

 

[P F Tinmore]

After World War l, the Principal Allied Powers (UK, France, Italy, Japan, U.S.*) took possession of the territories of the defeated Ottoman Turks, who had occupied Israel for four hundred years (1516-1917). As victors in said war, they had the power of dispossession and disposition; their decision at San Remo in 1920 to reserve the land in question for the Jewish People in recognition of their "historical connection to the land and on the grounds of reconstituting their national home in that country," as set forth in the preamble and article 6 of the Palestine Mandate, was recognized by the League of Nations (the United Nations predecessor) in 1922, and it is still in force per the United Nations' Charter, Article 80. This was the beginning when the Jewish People's right to all the land west of the Jordan River was established in international law.

*The US was not a member of the League of Nations, but the Lodge-Fish Resolution, passed by both houses of Congress on June 1922, endorsed the Mandate for Palestine; it was then signed by President Warren Harding on September 1922.

and it is still in force per the United Nations' Charter, Article 80. This was the beginning when the Jewish People's right to all the land west of the Jordan River was established in international law.

Not true. Article 80 merely froze the agreements made during the Mandate period. According to the Mandate, the Jewish National Home was Palestinian citizenship for the Jews. As Palestinian citizens the Jews could live anywhere in Palestine. There was no mention of a Jewish state.