The Israel v Iran War : It's First Casualty : The United States of America

[Rigby5]

The OP is obviously presented by someone with no real negotiation experience.

It's all about POWER. You want your adversary to WANT to make a deal. If they are indifferent, you are working for a futile objective. With Iran, in particular, they have abused Democrats in the past with the knowledge that they - the Democrats - will not walk away without a deal. So they insist on untenable points and make them - the Democrats - look like pussies. Trump, OTOH, tells them up front that he is willing to walk away, taking away that card.

This astounding assault by the IDF forces the Mullahs to take the negotiations seriously. Indeed their very hold on power is jeopardized by this development.

How cool was it that the "61st day" was Friday the thirteenth? What a ******* gambit.

The underlying point that is not spoken often enough is that IRAN HAS NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO ENRICH URANIUM!

Does anybody think they are interested in saving the planet? They are sitting on an ocean of free carbon fuels. Think they want nuclear power? What for?

Nonsense.
Of course Iran has many legitimate reasons to enrich uranium.

One is that the oil won't last more than 100 years, so everyone needs to start building nuclear reactors now.

Second is that the US has illegally attacked and invaded or taken over many countries, proving that all countries need and deserve a nuclear deterrent. The US illegally invaded or took over Iran in 1953, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, the Ukraine (2014), Yemen, Sudan, etc.

Third is that Israel is illegally bombing, murdering, and otherwise conducting an illegal war against Iran.

 

[Rigby5]

In other news, water is not wet, the sky is not blue, and burning cars is peaceful protest.

Wrong.
Terrorism is when you threaten innocent people in order to get them to give into illegal extortion.
Countries like Palestine and Iran can't possibly ever be "terrorist" because they are innocent countries being abused by more powerful countries, and have a right to use any means possible to defend themselves.
It like calling the French Resistance "terrorists" in WWII.
Clearly they were not because they were more than justified.

 

[Contumacious]

Incorrect. Iran funds Hezbollah to the tune of 100 million every year.

Hezbollah Finances: Funding the Party of God

Matthew Levitt co

www.washingtoninstitute.org

WHY is Matthew Levitt , who is affiliated with AIPAC a reliable source>

Incorrect. Iran funds Hezbollah to the tune of 100 million every year.

Hezbollah Finances: Funding the Party of God

Matthew Levitt co

www.washingtoninstitute.org

What was incorrect ?

I'm sure that defending SOuthern Lebanon is expensive,

US taxpayers give Israel $4.5 BBBBillion per year.

 

[SmokeALib]

WHY is Matthew Levitt , who is affiliated with AIPAC a reliable source>

What was incorrect ?

I'm sure that defending SOuthern Lebanon is expensive,

US taxpayers give Israel $4.5 BBBBillion per year.

Dude - you're a fool.

 

[Rigby5]

Incorrect. Iran funds Hezbollah to the tune of 100 million every year.

Hezbollah Finances: Funding the Party of God

Matthew Levitt co

www.washingtoninstitute.org

Does not matter that Iran funds Hezbollah.
Israel is an illegal country of Polish and Russian invaders who committed mass murder and war crimes, as they are trying to steal all the land they can take.
Hezbollah are the natives who are in the right and have a right to retaliate against Zionist aggression any way they can.

 

[Contumacious]

In other news, water is not wet, the sky is not blue, and burning cars is peaceful protest.

HUH?

The CIA stole Iranian oil wells and then installed the Shah of Iran who murdered thousands of Iranians.

So WHO is the terrorist ?

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Contumacious]

Nonsense.
Of course Iran has many legitimate reasons to enrich uranium.

One is that the oil won't last more than 100 years, so everyone needs to start building nuclear reactors now.

Second is that the US has illegally attacked and invaded or taken over many countries, proving that all countries need and deserve a nuclear deterrent. The US illegally invaded or took over Iran in 1953, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, the Ukraine (2014), Yemen, Sudan, etc.

Third is that Israel is illegally bombing, murdering, and otherwise conducting an illegal war against Iran.

Of course , like being an independent sovereign country

 

[Silent Warrior]

Wrong.
Terrorism is when you threaten innocent people in order to get them to give into illegal extortion.
Countries like Palestine and Iran can't possibly ever be "terrorist" because they are innocent countries being abused by more powerful countries, and have a right to use any means possible to defend themselves.
It like calling the French Resistance "terrorists" in WWII.
Clearly they were not because they were more than justified.

Your are so far off base you are in another universe. To quote a couple of truisms:

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel'‎”​

"There will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel. "

 

[Contumacious]

So, you admit there is evidence that proves your thread is not only incompetent, but propaganda. All I can say is--------->THANK you for your support-)

refute / rebut or shut the **** up

 

[Contumacious]

Wrong.
Terrorism is when you threaten innocent people in order to get them to give into illegal extortion.
Countries like Palestine and Iran can't possibly ever be "terrorist" because they are innocent countries being abused by more powerful countries, and have a right to use any means possible to defend themselves.
It like calling the French Resistance "terrorists" in WWII.
Clearly they were not because they were more than justified.

NAILED IT

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Iran trains and funds Hezbollah, Houthis , Hamas, among other terrorist groups. Iran is a terrorist state.
Trump dictated the terms of the nuclear talks with Iranian officials. He gave them 60 day to come to an agreement.
Day 61 - Israel attacked.

So do America and Israel

 

[Contumacious]

Dude - you're a fool.

I am not the one acquiescing to another coup d Etat by the CIA

 

[Contumacious]

Your are so far off base you are in another universe. To quote a couple of truisms:

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel'‎”​

"There will be peace in the Middle East only when the Arabs love their children more than they hate Israel. "

Israel had no right to exist in Palestine. NO RIGHT. You can not create a nation in an area that is ALREADY POPULATED

 

[E. Pluribus]

Why does the U.S. have to get involved? Let 'em duke it out. Same with Taiwan.

 

[Billiejeens]

WHEREAS the US Constitution confers upon President Trump the authority to be the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed Forces and to Conduct Foreign Affairs

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-1-11/ALDE_00013473/

WHEREAS President Trump told Netanyahu that he was negotiating with Iran hence military intervention against Iran was uncalled for:

What Just Happened in Iran - LewRockwell

From the Tom Woods Letter: Nobody can be exactly sure what’s going on here. The Russian Peace Thre... Ridenour, Ron Best Price: $26.98 Buy New $19.75 (as of 03:09 UTC - Details) Just days ago, Donald Trump said to reporters that he had told Benjamin Netanyahu that military intervention “would be...

www.lewrockwell.com

Trump dismissed Israeli plans to attack Iran in favour of negotiations

Splits within US administration eventually led to 'rough compromise' against military action

www.middleeasteye.net

WHEREAS Colonel Douglas Macgregor is on the record stating that the CIA has impinged upon President Trump's authority as the Commander in Chief



Whereas AMerican Officials ADMITTED to using the Armed Forces to repel the Iranian attack

US air defense systems, naval destroyer help down Iranian missiles fired at Israel

American officials say second destroyer to begin moving forward so it can be available if requested, as US shifts military resources in Mideast in response to the strikes

www.timesofisrael.com

WHEREFORE the overwhelming evidence shows that the warmonger-neocrazy-war profiteer-Likudnick Axis circumvented President Trump's decision to use diplomacy to accomplish his foreign Policy objectives .

This is , at least , the second time the CIA usurps presidential authority and effectuates a Coup.

60 days, fuckwad.

 

[Billiejeens]

The President of the US - The Commander-in-Chief decided to give diplomacy a chance, who the **** is the CIA to circumvent that authority

In 2028 they will have the chance to elect Nikki Haley of some other warmonger-neocracy controlled by the war profiteers.


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mu·ti·ny
/ˈmyo͞otənē/

noun

1. an open rebellion against the proper authorities, especially by soldiers or sailors against their officers.
   "a mutiny by those manning the weapons could trigger a global war"
   
   Similar:
   insurrection
   
   
   rebellion
   
   
   revolt
   
   
   riot
   
   
   revolution
   
   
   uprising
   
   
   rising
   
   
   coup
   
   
   coup d'état
   
   
   putsch
   
   
   protest
   
   
   strike
   
   
   insurgence
   
   
   insurgency
   
   
   subversion
   
   
   sedition
   
   
   anarchy
   
   
   disorder
   
   
   insubordination
   
   
   disobedience
   
   
   resistance
   
   
   defiance
   

verb

1. refuse to obey the orders of a person in authority.
   "thousands of the soldiers mutinied over the non-payment of wages"

Whereas you are a retard-

 

[Contumacious]

Already happening:
US Army Delta Force was ordered to occupy and take over the Fordow nuclear site in Iran.
And the US is moving ships, men and equipment to the middle east.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/ap-us-shifts-military-resources-in-mideast-in-response-to-israel-strikes-and-possible-iran-attack/

BE THAT AS IT MAY

it merely confirms that THE CIA HAS TAKEN IT UPON ITSELF TO STRIKE A MUTINY
WE VOTED FOR AN ANTIWAR PRESIDENT
THE CIA IS DETERMINED ---AGAIN-----TO CRUSH THAT MANDATE .
FOR SHAME

 

[SmokeALib]

Why does the U.S. have to get involved? Let 'em duke it out. Same with Taiwan.

You wouldn't understand unless you read a good history book. The one I read is the Bible. Full of good info.

 

[Contumacious]

WHEREAS the US Constitution confers upon President Trump the authority to be the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed Forces and to Conduct Foreign Affairs

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-1-11/ALDE_00013473/

WHEREAS President Trump told Netanyahu that he was negotiating with Iran hence military intervention against Iran was uncalled for:

What Just Happened in Iran - LewRockwell

From the Tom Woods Letter: Nobody can be exactly sure what’s going on here. The Russian Peace Thre... Ridenour, Ron Best Price: $26.98 Buy New $19.75 (as of 03:09 UTC - Details) Just days ago, Donald Trump said to reporters that he had told Benjamin Netanyahu that military intervention “would be...

www.lewrockwell.com

Trump dismissed Israeli plans to attack Iran in favour of negotiations

Splits within US administration eventually led to 'rough compromise' against military action

www.middleeasteye.net

WHEREAS Colonel Douglas Macgregor is on the record stating that the CIA has impinged upon President Trump's authority as the Commander in Chief



Whereas AMerican Officials ADMITTED to using the Armed Forces to repel the Iranian attack

US air defense systems, naval destroyer help down Iranian missiles fired at Israel

American officials say second destroyer to begin moving forward so it can be available if requested, as US shifts military resources in Mideast in response to the strikes

www.timesofisrael.com

WHEREFORE the overwhelming evidence shows that the warmonger-neocrazy-war profiteer-Likudnick Axis circumvented President Trump's decision to use diplomacy to accomplish his foreign Policy objectives .

This is , at least , the second time the CIA usurps presidential authority and effectuates a Coup.

Iran is considering closing the Strait of Hormuz, Iranian news agency IRINN has reported, citing key conservative lawmaker Esmail Kosari, as the conflict with Israel intensifies.

The move would send oil prices soaring and risk expanding the war. So what is the strategic waterway and why is it vital to global trade?

What is the Strait of Hormuz, could it factor into Israel-Iran conflict?

Iranian lawmaker says Tehran considering closing waterway, described as ‘world’s most important oil transit chokepoint’.

www.aljazeera.com

This will be similar to the 1973 Oil Embargo.

AMericans will then have to wait over 8 hours in gas lines and pay over $20 a gallon.

Hopefully then STUPID Americans will have time to think whether the crazy love affair with the ASS-K-NAZI Entity is worthy .

 

[Contumacious]

WHEREAS the US Constitution confers upon President Trump the authority to be the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed Forces and to Conduct Foreign Affairs

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-1-11/ALDE_00013473/

WHEREAS President Trump told Netanyahu that he was negotiating with Iran hence military intervention against Iran was uncalled for:

What Just Happened in Iran - LewRockwell

From the Tom Woods Letter: Nobody can be exactly sure what’s going on here. The Russian Peace Thre... Ridenour, Ron Best Price: $26.98 Buy New $19.75 (as of 03:09 UTC - Details) Just days ago, Donald Trump said to reporters that he had told Benjamin Netanyahu that military intervention “would be...

www.lewrockwell.com

Trump dismissed Israeli plans to attack Iran in favour of negotiations

Splits within US administration eventually led to 'rough compromise' against military action

www.middleeasteye.net

WHEREAS Colonel Douglas Macgregor is on the record stating that the CIA has impinged upon President Trump's authority as the Commander in Chief



Whereas AMerican Officials ADMITTED to using the Armed Forces to repel the Iranian attack

US air defense systems, naval destroyer help down Iranian missiles fired at Israel

American officials say second destroyer to begin moving forward so it can be available if requested, as US shifts military resources in Mideast in response to the strikes

www.timesofisrael.com

WHEREFORE the overwhelming evidence shows that the warmonger-neocrazy-war profiteer-Likudnick Axis circumvented President Trump's decision to use diplomacy to accomplish his foreign Policy objectives .

This is , at least , the second time the CIA usurps presidential authority and effectuates a Coup.

"By attacking Iran and torpedoing the negotiations, Netanyahu outplayed Trump – and the Israeli leader may well ensnare the US in a new Middle East conflict that Trump insists he does not want. Since Netanyahu unleashed multiple wars in the region after the Hamas attack on southern Israel in October 2023, he’s confident that the US will always bail him out. Even after Israel launched a war on Gaza, a two-month ground invasion of Lebanon and frequent attacks on Syria, it continues to receive virtually unlimited US weapons and political support from Washington."

Netanyahu outplayed Trump on Iran. Now the US risks being mired in another war | Mohamad Bazzi

If Trump wants to be the peacemaker he claims to be, he must negotiate a new deal with Tehran

www.theguardian.com