The irony of the abortion issue.

You need the government to invade the privacy of a person to know whether the unborn human exists. You would not care about non person Baby Fetus if the Republican Party did not need 30 to 40 million white Christian nationalists to vote for candudates ever since Roe v Wade became law.

It used to be an advantage to have those white Evangelical Biblical Worldview culture war voters voting against Democrats but Dobbs ruined all that.
Civil rights are not up to a vote

Oh, and about your childish question about the government invading privacy? Doctors are mandatory reporters. Child abuse is one of those mandatory issues they must report.

Men of Honor would understand this. Bigots?

Not so much.
 
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Doctors are mandatory reporters. Child abuse is one of those mandatory issues they must report.
Humans have built great civilizations on the premise the sanctity of life begins when a “child” is born. As an outsider who will never experience the gift of “giving” birth to a “child” and sanctimoniously referring to a fetus in someone else’s body as a child is indicative of the dishonesty and dishonor that you bring to this forum..

Under your right of the government to sadistically invade a woman’s privacy, every single miscarriage which is estimated to be about half of all conceptions ending that way, would have to report to the government as child abuse.

How do you live with yourself believing it’s honor for a man to torment and even kill women for some religious related viewpoint you have been indoctrinated to believe.
 
Humans have built great civilizations on the premise the sanctity of life begins when a “child” is born. As an outsider who will never experience the gift of “giving” birth to a “child” and sanctimoniously referring to a fetus in someone else’s body as a child is indicative of the dishonesty and dishonor that you bring to this forum..

Under your right of the government to sadistically invade a woman’s privacy, every single miscarriage which is estimated to be about half of all conceptions ending that way, would have to report to the government as child abuse.

How do you live with yourself believing it’s honor for a man to torment and even kill women for some religious related viewpoint you have been indoctrinated to believe.
I’m an atheist you dishonest hack.

A child within the womb is no less a person than a coma patient on life support.

Wait. Didn’t we build a great civilization before life support was available?

So by your logic, a coma patient on life support should lose his civil rights because he depends on an outside source?

Interesting. So again, using your logic, the individual, on life support should be ripped apart, even though he can feel pain, to end this inconvenience to its family?

What an evil individual you must be.
 
So by your logic, a coma patient on life support should lose his civil rights because he depends on an outside source?
Nope. a person hunt on life-support who has been born. It’s the same protection of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is everybody else.

Another one of your stupid arguments based on false assumption of what I believe.
 
Nope. a person hunt on life-support who has been born. It’s the same protection of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is everybody else.

Another one of your stupid arguments based on false assumption of what I believe.
Only a minor difference between an unborn and born child. The same difference applies to. Non life supported adult and a life supported adult.

People of honor know this.
 
Civil rights are not up to a vote

Oh, and about your childish question about the government invading privacy? Doctors are mandatory reporters. Child abuse is one of those mandatory issues they must report.

Men of Honor would understand this. Bigots?

Not so much.
Fetuses are not persons; they have no civil rights independent of the host.
 
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difference
i. Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 230127 {post•6929}. HeyNorm Jan’23 Srvwg: So, the newborn gains rights at birth, but is similarly situated to the newborn pre birth, thus extending rights pre birth. hynrm 230127 Srvwgo06929

ii. Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 220721 {post•4141}. NotfooledbyW Jul’22 Vrvwgo: science is more in line with JEWISH BELIEF not CATHOLIC BELIEF

“With the first breaths of air, the lungs start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's. “​
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While still in the uterus, the baby's lungs aren't being used. The baby’s liver isn't fully developed. Circulating blood bypasses the lungs and liver by flowing in different pathways and through special openings called shunts.​
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Blood flow in the unborn baby follows this pathway:​
  • Oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood are transferred across the placenta to the fetus through the umbilical cord.
  • This enriched blood flows through the umbilical vein toward the baby’s liver. There it moves through a shunt called the ductus venosus.
  • This allows some of the blood to go to the liver. But most of this highly oxygenated blood flows to a large vessel called the inferior vena cava and then into the right atrium of the heart.
Here is what happens inside the fetal heart:
  • When oxygenated blood from the mother enters the right side of the heart, it flows into the upper chamber (the right atrium). Most of the blood flows across to the left atrium through a shunt called the foramen ovale.
  • From the left atrium, blood moves down into the lower chamber of the heart (the left ventricle). It's then pumped into the first part of the large artery coming from the heart (the ascending aorta).
  • From the aorta, the oxygen-rich blood is sent to the brain and to the heart muscle itself. Blood is also sent to the lower body.
  • Blood returning to the heart from the fetal body contains carbon dioxide and waste products as it enters the right atrium. It flows down into the right ventricle, where it normally would be sent to the lungs to be oxygenated. Instead, it bypasses the lungs and flows through the ductus arteriosus into the descending aorta, which connects to the umbilical arteries. From there, blood flows back into the placenta. There the carbon dioxide and waste products are released into the mother's circulatory system. Oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood are transferred across the placenta. Then the cycle starts again.
  • At birth, major changes take place. The umbilical cord is clamped and the baby no longer receives oxygen and nutrients from the mother. With the first breaths of air, the lungs start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's
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iii. The irony of the abortion issue. 240920 {post•185}. HeyNorm Sep’24 Stiota: Only a minor difference between an unborn and born child. hynrm 250929 Stiota00185

iv. The irony of the abortion issue. 240920 {post•1}.

NotfooledbyW Sep’24 Vtiota: You are wrong Saint_HeyNorm. there is absolutely nothing more a significant difference in the life of every living human being before and after this happens.

With the first breaths of air, the lungs start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's. “​

See paragraph ii.

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i. Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 230127 {post•6929}. HeyNorm Jan’23 Srvwg: So, the newborn gains rights at birth, but is similarly situated to the newborn pre birth, thus extending rights pre birth. hynrm 230127 Srvwgo06929

ii. Roe v. Wade getting overturned!! 220721 {post•4141}. NotfooledbyW Jul’22 Vrvwgo: science is more in line with JEWISH BELIEF not CATHOLIC BELIEF

“With the first breaths of air, the lungs start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's. “​
•​
While still in the uterus, the baby's lungs aren't being used. The baby’s liver isn't fully developed. Circulating blood bypasses the lungs and liver by flowing in different pathways and through special openings called shunts.​
•​
Blood flow in the unborn baby follows this pathway:​
  • Oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood are transferred across the placenta to the fetus through the umbilical cord.
  • This enriched blood flows through the umbilical vein toward the baby’s liver. There it moves through a shunt called the ductus venosus.
  • This allows some of the blood to go to the liver. But most of this highly oxygenated blood flows to a large vessel called the inferior vena cava and then into the right atrium of the heart.
Here is what happens inside the fetal heart:
  • When oxygenated blood from the mother enters the right side of the heart, it flows into the upper chamber (the right atrium). Most of the blood flows across to the left atrium through a shunt called the foramen ovale.
  • From the left atrium, blood moves down into the lower chamber of the heart (the left ventricle). It's then pumped into the first part of the large artery coming from the heart (the ascending aorta).
  • From the aorta, the oxygen-rich blood is sent to the brain and to the heart muscle itself. Blood is also sent to the lower body.
  • Blood returning to the heart from the fetal body contains carbon dioxide and waste products as it enters the right atrium. It flows down into the right ventricle, where it normally would be sent to the lungs to be oxygenated. Instead, it bypasses the lungs and flows through the ductus arteriosus into the descending aorta, which connects to the umbilical arteries. From there, blood flows back into the placenta. There the carbon dioxide and waste products are released into the mother's circulatory system. Oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood are transferred across the placenta. Then the cycle starts again.
  • At birth, major changes take place. The umbilical cord is clamped and the baby no longer receives oxygen and nutrients from the mother. With the first breaths of air, the lungs start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's
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iii. The irony of the abortion issue. 240920 {post•185}. HeyNorm Sep’24 Stiota: Only a minor difference between an unborn and born child. hynrm 250929 Stiota00185

iv. The irony of the abortion issue. 240920 {post•1}.

NotfooledbyW Sep’24 Vtiota: You are wrong Saint_HeyNorm. there is absolutely nothing more a significant difference in the life of every living human being before and after this happens.

With the first breaths of air, the lungs start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's. “​

See paragraph ii.

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So adults on life support lose their civil rights.

We are well aware of your death cult’s philosophy
 
So adults on life support lose their civil rights.
No. Never.. No. Never. Adults have been born. Adults have been born. Adults have been born. Adults have been born.

Adults never lose the right to life obligation from the rest of the society they live in.

Adults have been born.

How many times do I have to tell you?
 
You need the government to invade the privacy of a person to know whether the unborn human exists. You would not care about non person Baby Fetus if the Republican Party did not need 30 to 40 million white Christian nationalists to vote for candudates ever since Roe v Wade became law.

It used to be an advantage to have those white Evangelical Biblical Worldview culture war voters voting against Democrats but Dobbs ruined all that.

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No. Never.. No. Never. Adults have been born. Adults have been born. Adults have been born. Adults have been born.

Adults never lose the right to life obligation from the rest of the society they live in.

Adults have been born.

How many times do I have to tell you?
So the only difference is a word. Just as similar as a black to a white.

Bigot
 
Democrats: hate the fetus,


I do not hate any fetus that carries my DNA before or after they were born.

I did not hate the fetus who came into my life two years ago.

She does not carry my DNA because her birthmother came into my life when she was six.

Because I’m retired and her mother is not I am blessed to be taking care of my granddaughter when her parents returned to work from the moment she was born. I spent an hour or more every day with her since she was born to create a bond that is so incredible I cannot describe it.

I want my granddaughter to be free from the religious fanatics, and bizarre atheists like you in a cult with white male Trump Christians to dominate and control every female menstruating body in the name of Jesus Christ. You are sick.
 
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Women trumpet their right to exercise control of their own bodies regarding reproduction. However, abortion is needed when a woman loses control of her reproductive cycle and gets pregnant unintentionally. A woman who is in control of her reproductive life knows when she is likely to get pregnant and has little need for abortion.
You “know” this because you’re a woman?
 
I do not hate any fetus that carries my DNA before or after they were born.

I did not hate the fetus who came into my life two years ago.

She does not carry my DNA because her birthmother came into my life when she was six.

Because I’m retired and her mother is not I am blessed to be taking care of my granddaughter when her parents returned to work from the moment she was born. I spent an hour or more every day with her since she was born to create a bond that is so incredible I cannot describe it.

I want my granddaughter to be free from the religious fanatics, and bizarre atheists like you in a cult with white male Trump Christians to dominate and control every female menstruating body in the name of Jesus Christ. You are sick.
Then you should teach her to be honorable and respect life that is not exactly the same as hers.

Oh wait, you can’t, because you have no honor.
 
Then you should teach her to be honorable and respect life that is not exactly the same as hers.
Why? What she does inside her own body is none of your fucking business. Get your nose out of my granddaughter’s uterus you white male atheist /white fundamentalist Christian sympathizing, woman domineering pig.
 
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