The Irony of Hope

The BKP

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In 1992, Bill Clinton was “The Man from Hope”.

Barack Obama has portrayed his life as “The Audacity of Hope”.

When you look at Senators Obama and McCain’s vice presidential picks, though, you have what might best be characterized as the “Irony of Hope”.

Prior to the announcement of their respective running mates, the public impression of the two presidential nominees and the thematic emphasis of their campaigns were polar opposites. Obama’s youthful exuberance; finely manicured image and refined cool style; emphasis on judgment rooted in intellectual rigor; the generational shift he led within Democratic Party leadership; and opposition to general Republican principals and Bush Administration policies specifically was summed up in his campaign motto, “Change We Can Believe In”.

In sharp contrast, McCain presented himself as the seasoned and experienced hand; a national security and foreign policy sage that brought years of military and legislative experience to the table; having abandoned his image as a maverick he appeared to be just another staid Republican that had adopted Conservative principals for political expediency; ultimately he was a curmudgeonly graying warrior doggedly pursuing one last mission. His campaign motto, “Putting America First” was lifted from the decades old Republican playbook and was as unimaginative as it was uninspiring.

These distinct and polar opposite public impressions of the two created as many negatives as they did positives for the two campaigns.

While Obama was the candidate of change, questions concerning his experience and preparedness to lead still haunted him from the contentious Democratic primaries. Having served in the Senate for only two years prior to announcing his run for the presidency, his limited exposure to national security and foreign policy issue increasingly appeared as a liability in the general election.

McCain, on the other hand, suffered from a lack of enthusiasm, both among the general public and a Republican base that was demoralized from the abysmal public opinion ratings of President Bush; uncertain of McCain’s Conservative credentials and sincerity; and beleaguered by the seemingly daily insistence of the media that the race was over for all intents and purposes with Obama’s victory being a foregone conclusion. Conventional wisdom held that a stereotypical “Rich White Guys Only” Republican ticket stood no chance against a Democratic ticket led by the modern political equivalent of an intellectually superior and electoral astute “Rat Pack” member.

Confounded by their respective conundrums, both Obama and McCain saw their choice of running mate as an opportunity to address the negative aspects of their campaign personas head on.

Like Bush before him, Obama turned to one of his party’s elder statesmen to provide him the gravitas and depth his resume lacks; Delaware Senator Joe Biden.

Biden - with 35 years in the Senate - is an individual of substance and experience on the key issues of national security, military affairs and foreign policy. Though the country has turned its gaze back to the heartland, to leave his flank exposed on such critical issues would have invited Republican attacks that may have ultimately gained traction and inflicted serious electoral damage on the Democratic nominee. By turning to the proverbial party warhorse and elder statesman Biden, Obama seeks to reassure the electorate that “change” doesn’t equate “danger”.

Having been pilloried over recent months for abandoning his maverick roots and settling into the staid hound’s-tooth of stereotypical Republicans, even while being assailed by the Republican base for not being conservative enough, McCain’s choice of Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin has unexpectedly shaken the political landscape. In the process, he has boldly moved to establish his bona fides on both fronts.

Passing over a list of white men – many with far longer and more substantive resumes – McCain’s choice of Palin is both tactically and strategically inspired. Tactically, it creates buzz and excitement around a campaign that appeared to be an uninteresting rehash of Republican Party electoral greatest hits. Gasps of disbelief and surprise have replaced yawns of indifference and boredom. Though the announcement of the pregnancy of Palin’s 17 year-old daughter, Bristol, has added an unexpected and sensational element to the buzz, it is buzz nonetheless.

Furthermore, Palin’s selection dispels the impression of the Republican Party as a “Rich White Men Only Electoral Club”. In picking the photogenic female Governor, McCain revives his maverick image; willing to buck the conventional wisdom and the seasoned advice of status quo Republican Pooh-Bahs. Ultimately, McCain has chosen to sacrifice experience in exchange for shoring up the base and the excitement and electricity the first female Republican vice presidential nominee brings to the ticket.

When choosing a running mate, presidential nominees hope to at the very least do themselves no harm, while trying to gain whatever limited benefit there is to be had.

In truth, McCain and Obama’s selections have more in common with their opponents than with themselves. Governor Palin’s resume is equally light to that of Senator Obama’s. Meanwhile, Senators McCain and Biden have more years of combined Congressional service than the age of either of their running mates. Accordingly, one would not be out of line to surmise that the two second seaters would have more to discuss with the head of the opposing ticket than with their own running mates.

In the end, in an attempt to address their own shortcomings by embracing the strengths of their opponents, McCain and Obama have unwittingly highlighted a heretofore little discussed aspect of hope; it’s irony.

It’s Swinger’s Night at the Electoral Club, faithful readers. Let’s swap running mates and let the fun begin! Stay tuned for further updates as events warrant and the irony of hope gives way to the agony of defeat.
 
Well there are some substaintial differences between the two selections:

Obama's choice of Joe Biden, was made almost regardless of political concerns and in the best interests of the country.

McCain's selection of Palin was based purely on political strategy without regard for the welfare of the country. A political strategy that is failing.

Due to McCain's age, people are considering a Palin Presidency to be very likely if McCain wins. Several conservative leaning people that I spoke with, who strongly supported McCain earlier, are now considering not voting at all. They feel, as I do, that Palin is absolutely unacceptable as President.

McCain's catering the right has resulted in his loss of the middle. Winning the middle is crucial for McCain to win. The right would have voted for him anyway.

Obama's election is a sure thing now. Given the poll numbers plus the fact that the turn out for Obama will undoubtedly be unpresidented.
 
Ok, so let me get this straight, people should not vote for Senator McCain, the presidential candidate with the most experience because if he were to, by some amazing coincidence die in January 2009, they would be left with Governor Palin, the only one on either ticket with executive government experience.

Instead they should vote for Senator Obama, the presidential candidate with 2 and a half years experience as a U.S Senator so they can be guaranteed a president with no experience.

Good thinking.
 
Well there are some substaintial differences between the two selections:

Obama's choice of Joe Biden, was made almost regardless of political concerns and in the best interests of the country.

McCain's selection of Palin was based purely on political strategy without regard for the welfare of the country. A political strategy that is failing.

Due to McCain's age, people are considering a Palin Presidency to be very likely if McCain wins. Several conservative leaning people that I spoke with, who strongly supported McCain earlier, are now considering not voting at all. They feel, as I do, that Palin is absolutely unacceptable as President.

McCain's catering the right has resulted in his loss of the middle. Winning the middle is crucial for McCain to win. The right would have voted for him anyway.

Obama's election is a sure thing now. Given the poll numbers plus the fact that the turn out for Obama will undoubtedly be unpresidented.

Biden's selection was "made almost regardless of political concerns"? Hardly.

1) Obama is trying to reassure the electorate that Old Joe will be there at 3am in the morning when the call comes into the White House and he has to stumble bleary-eyed down into the Situation Room

2) In order to preserve his image as being above the political fray, he needed an attack dog; Joe is a pit bull with a taste for political blood

3) He's trying to gain access to Hillary's working class, blue collar, Catholic voters without having to put her on the ticket

In every respect Biden's selection is firmly rooted in politics. To say it is not is either naive or disingenuous.
 
... Palin was based purely on political strategy without regard for the welfare of the country ... several conservative leaning people that I spoke with, who strongly supported McCain earlier, are now considering not voting at all. They feel, as I do, that Palin is absolutely unacceptable as President ...

Right starting point (Palin is a monster) but wrong conclusion (not voting). The right thing to do is to urge McCain to drop Palin from the ticket ASAP.

I will vote for McCain if he drops Palin and chooses a VP with integrity.

If he chooses the path of obstinate stupidity and keeps this snake on the ticket, I will have to hold my nose and vote for Obama. It is imperative to keep Palin out of the White house. She is willing to crucify an innocent third person to accomplish her goal of helping her sister's divorce. This is a new low in American politics. To my knowledge, no top ticket candidate has ever intentionally gone after a bystander who becomes politically inconvenient. If we as voters let this happen, in 10 years it will be an every day thing for politicians to fire/jail/harass or otherwise crucify third parties who get in the way of their illegal ambitions.

I firmly believe Sarah Palin is the most evil, vile, monstrous person who has ever been on a top ticket in America. If we as voters don't draw a line in the sand at this, then who will ever be safe?
 
Ok, so let me get this straight, people should not vote for Senator McCain, the presidential candidate with the most experience because if he were to, by some amazing coincidence die in January 2009, they would be left with Governor Palin, the only one on either ticket with executive government experience.

Instead they should vote for Senator Obama, the presidential candidate with 2 and a half years experience as a U.S Senator so they can be guaranteed a president with no experience.

Good thinking.

The reason the issue of Obama's experience doesn't concern me personally is because:

1. He surrounds himself with capable, intelligent, people who have a lot of experience in various policy arenas, and he takes advice from them. Unlike Bush, for whom people like Colin POwell and other independently minded intelligent people, quit, Bush wanted yes men to tell him what he wanted to hear. Bush had gubernatorial experience, and you saw how he ran his white house. It is less about experience, and more about execution.

2. He has lived overseas, he has travelled regularly overseas, he has met and discussed with leaders of nations, issues of national security to the US, he served on the Senate Foreign relations committee, and other relevant committees, whereas Sarah Palin got her passport in 2007.

3. Part of Sarah Palin's experience is in declaring the Iraq war "God's war." I can source that if it's important to you. Her experience is steeped in religious fervor. But I digress.

4. Obama has spent the past 18 nmonths or so meeting and talking with people in every state in the union. He has reached the ticket because 18 million americans deem him the best choice to lead the country. He was not put on the ticket as a political ploy to get a few more votes.

5. On leadership, it is clear that everyone follows him - From the iraq pullout plans (clinton and bush) to running on change (mccain).

etcetera.
 
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Well there are some substaintial differences between the two selections:

Obama's choice of Joe Biden, was made almost regardless of political concerns and in the best interests of the country.

I am not at all so sure about that.

In fact, I think its completely wrong. If anything, I think Biden was chosen because he is part of the Democratic leadership and can be counted on to go along to get along.

I suspect that to the leadership of the Dems, O looks like a real gamble.

He might turn out to really want to do all the things he claims he wants to do and that, my friends is NOT on the Dems agenda to the degree O is talking about, I suspect.

McCain's selection of Palin was based purely on political strategy without regard for the welfare of the country. A political strategy that is failing.

I suspect that McCain is just now beginning the realize what is disasterous choice he's made.

He'll tough it out though and try to make a silk purse out of this sow's ear.

Due to McCain's age, people are considering a Palin Presidency to be very likely if McCain wins. Several conservative leaning people that I spoke with, who strongly supported McCain earlier, are now considering not voting at all. They feel, as I do, that Palin is absolutely unacceptable as President.

Not a happy prospect for America, methinks.

McCain's catering the right has resulted in his loss of the middle. Winning the middle is crucial for McCain to win. The right would have voted for him anyway.

Let's hope so.

Obama's election is a sure thing now. Given the poll numbers plus the fact that the turn out for Obama will undoubtedly be unpresidented.

I do not have as much confidence in the outcome of this election as you do.

Among other things, including some smear campaign right at the end of the election scycle, I am no longer 100% confident that the elections are enough on the up and up to assure that the the person who really won, gets recognized as the winner.
 
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That's all well and good but Senator Obama isn't running against Governor Palin for President, he's running against John McCain

(My statements are bold and lettered A-E in case that wasn't obvious :D)

The reason the issue of Obama's experience doesn't concern me personally is because:

1. He surrounds himself with capable, intelligent, people who have a lot of experience in various policy arenas, and he takes advice from them. Unlike Bush, for whom people like Colin POwell and other independently minded intelligent people, quit, Bush wanted yes men to tell him what he wanted to hear. Bush had gubernatorial experience, and you saw how he ran his white house. It is less about experience, and more about execution.



A. He doesn't have enough experience to know what good advice is, he can only accept what others tell him is good advice.

Senator McCain trumps Senator Obama for years of experience on the national stage nearly 10 to 1.




2. He has lived overseas, he has travelled regularly overseas, he has met and discussed with leaders of nations, issues of national security to the US, he served on the Senate Foreign relations committee, and other relevant committees, whereas Sarah Palin got her passport in 2007.



B. Senator McCain has not just travelled regularly, he has travelled EXTENSIVELY and met with hundred of world leaders their cabinets.

John McCain live overseas too....in North Vietnam at the Hanoi Hilton, and when informed he was being released, choose to stay with his men. That is character. That is leadership.

John McCain also takes time to visit OUR TROOPS in Iraq and Afganistan.

Senator Obama visited my state a month or so ago. He visited the town of Lebanon, MO and drove to Rolla, MO...Right past FORT LEONARD WOOD, Missouri, where I spent the last 4 years of my enlisted service. Did he stop to see the troops? NO! His motorcade passed 1 stinkin' mile from the front gate and he drove on by. He had a rally at University of Missouri (Rolla) 30 miles farther up I-44 instead. Then made time for a BBQ in Owensville, MO. I saw that day how much Senator Obama cares about our men and women in uniform. His handlers told him he wasn't going to get as many votes on a military installation, beter to stick to the impressionable youth.

Did I mention he then had time for a BBQ, but no time for the troops!




3. Part of Sarah Palin's experience is in declaring the Iraq war "God's war." I can source that if it's important to you. Her experience is steeped in religious fervor. But I digress.



C. LOL, you thing I'm going to let that comment pass unscrutinized :eusa_naughty: I say nay-nay :D

Senator McCain knows all about war, he LIVED it. The terror of been shot down, the agony of been gravely wounded, the pain of the beatings, the solace of being in the company of his brothers in arms, the sorrow of lossing friends, colleagues and men under his command and the joy of returning home to loved ones. Senator Obama has no experience that remotely compares.




4. Obama has spent the past 18 months or so meeting and talking with people in every state in the union. He has reached the ticket because 18 million americans deem him the best choice to lead the country. He was not put on the ticket as a political ploy to get a few more votes.



D. This is Senator McCain's seventh national level election and his second Presidential bid. He received the unofficial party nod before the end of Super Tuesday,

He achieved the rank of Captain, the highest rank before Admiral. As previously mentioned, he spent 5 years as a POW in the service of his country.




5. On leadership, it is clear that everyone follows him - From the iraq pullout plans (clinton and bush) to running on change (mccain).




E. Except, of course that McCain's unwaivering goal was to win the war, which is happening in no small measure BECAUSE of John McCain. The surge was his stategy. He championed the surge for months, even though the war was unpopular. And he has all but succeeded. I know because the MSM has all but forgotten about the war.

Senator Obama "leadership" was we should pullout. Just quit. Tuck out tails and go home. Those vaunted advisors you spoke so highly of in statement 1 and all his experience and travel lead him to the conclusion that the war was lost.

As for change, Senator McCain has always been about change, that's what MAVERICK means. Different, against the status quo. Did he package it and tie a ribbon around it, stick a label on it and the TELL everyone about his VISION of change? No, HE LIVED IT, HE DID IT. he didn't have to sell it to you from a teleprompter, he showed you by his actions. That's the difference between Senator McCain and Senator Obama.

Senator Obama may compare on par with Governor Palin, but when compared to the Senator McCain, he falls far short of the mark.
 
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The reason the issue of Obama's experience doesn't concern me personally is because:

1. He surrounds himself with capable, intelligent, people who have a lot of experience in various policy arenas, and he takes advice from them. Unlike Bush, for whom people like Colin POwell and other independently minded intelligent people, quit, Bush wanted yes men to tell him what he wanted to hear. Bush had gubernatorial experience, and you saw how he ran his white house. It is less about experience, and more about execution.

2. He has lived overseas, he has travelled regularly overseas, he has met and discussed with leaders of nations, issues of national security to the US, he served on the Senate Foreign relations committee, and other relevant committees, whereas Sarah Palin got her passport in 2007.

3. Part of Sarah Palin's experience is in declaring the Iraq war "God's war." I can source that if it's important to you. Her experience is steeped in religious fervor. But I digress.

4. Obama has spent the past 18 nmonths or so meeting and talking with people in every state in the union. He has reached the ticket because 18 million americans deem him the best choice to lead the country. He was not put on the ticket as a political ploy to get a few more votes.

5. On leadership, it is clear that everyone follows him - From the iraq pullout plans (clinton and bush) to running on change (mccain).

etcetera.

Nice post. Obama has experience and good judgement. He appointed a vice president who would be a good president. McCain appointed a vice president who tries to bans books.
 
I firmly believe Sarah Palin is the most evil, vile, monstrous person who has ever been on a top ticket in America. If we as voters don't draw a line in the sand at this, then who will ever be safe?

Come on, that's just not fair. McGovern, Agnew, Nixon, Carter, LBJ and others. These are just recently. Read a fuckin' book every now and then.
 
That's all well and good but Senator Obama isn't running against Governor Palin for President, he's running against John McCain

(My statements are bold and lettered A-E in case that wasn't obvious :D)

When McCain came back from Vietnam, he cheated repeatedly on his crippled wife, and then divorced her to marry Cindy Hensley. In the 1980's McCain lobbied for Charles Keating, the saving and loan felon who stole billions in pension money, and took numerous jet set vacations at Keating's expense. In the 1990's McCain had an affair with a lobbyist that so scared his staff, that they told her to stay away from him. His campaigns for the Senate were all financed with his wife Cindy's mob money. In 1994 Cindy McCain forged prescriptions in the names of her employees and stole drugs from her own charity. McCain's campaign this year is getting huge amounts of oil company money. His pick for vice president is under an ethics investigation and will probably be indicted on Oct 31st. McCain is 72 years old, has had cancer 5 times and is on 5 different medications. He is so out of it, that his staff will no longer let him talk to the press unscripted.
 
When McCain came back from Vietnam, he cheated repeatedly on his crippled wife, and then divorced her to marry Cindy Hensley. In the 1980's McCain lobbied for Charles Keating, the saving and loan felon who stole billions in pension money, and took numerous jet set vacations at Keating's expense. In the 1990's McCain had an affair with a lobbyist that so scared his staff, that they told her to stay away from him. His campaigns for the Senate were all financed with his wife Cindy's mob money. In 1994 Cindy McCain forged prescriptions in the names of her employees and stole drugs from her own charity. McCain's campaign this year is getting huge amounts of oil company money. His pick for vice president is under an ethics investigation and will probably be indicted on Oct 31st. McCain is 72 years old, has had cancer 5 times and is on 5 different medications. He is so out of it, that his staff will no longer let him talk to the press unscripted.

You see Kirk, I posted all positive attributes and superior experience of the candidate I support and you come back with a bunch of mudslinging, leftwing talking points, lies and half truths about John McCain and his wife, most of which have been debunked.

And they don't even refute any of the examples I laid out.

Can't you tell me some positive experience your candidate is bringing to this race? or is this the best you've got.
 
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You see Kirk, I posted all positive attributes and superior experience of the candidate I support and you come back with a bunch of mudslinging, leftwing talking points, lies and half truths about John McCain and his wife, most of which have been debunked.

And they don't even refute any of the examples I laid out.

Can't you tell me some positive experience your candidate is bringing to this race? or is this the best you've got.
kirk is a moron
 

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