The Iron Law of power density and the myth of solar and wind energy .....

[surada]

Wow....a whole 12,000............vs. 350 million Americans, many in vastly cold states where temperatures can regularly get under 10 degrees.....

What have you done?

 

[westwall]

Farisan island is all solar. Don't Americans know how?

No one said it can't be done, dummy. What we are saying is solar is inefficient.

For the same acreage that they are covering with those solar panels you could have a fossil fuel plant providing 1000 megawatts of energy.

Which is bigger? 1000 megawatts, or 846,000 watts?

 

[Woodznutz]

Mainly cars for a start. EV's can't do it 1 for 1.
I would suggest even 1 for 10 will be very difficult.
Lacking means of necessary transportation is 'downward' until solutions are found and implemented.

Hybrids are the intermediate step as they have the mileage and the range, not EV's. That said I like EBikes for piddling around in the city.

 

[Woodznutz]

more organic agriculture,

How is low yield agriculture going to save us?

I said more organic, not all organic. People overeat by a factor of at least 2X which leads to poor health and a huge fossil fuel hungry healthcare system.

Yields can be comparable depending on what and where the crops are grown. Conventional fossil fuel dependent farming is collapsing in many places around the globe. Not so with organic.

Comparing the yields of organic and conventional agriculture - PubMed

Numerous reports have emphasized the need for major changes in the global food system: agriculture must meet the twin challenge of feeding a growing population, with rising demand for meat and high-calorie diets, while simultaneously minimizing its global environmental impacts. Organic farming—a...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I said more organic, not all organic. People overeat by a factor of at least 2X which leads to poor health and a huge fossil fuel hungry healthcare system.

Yields can be comparable depending on what and where the crops are grown. Conventional fossil fuel dependent farming is collapsing in many places around the globe. Not so with organic.

Comparing the yields of organic and conventional agriculture - PubMed

Numerous reports have emphasized the need for major changes in the global food system: agriculture must meet the twin challenge of feeding a growing population, with rising demand for meat and high-calorie diets, while simultaneously minimizing its global environmental impacts. Organic farming—a...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Organic is less efficient. Lower yield. Higher cost.

Yields can be comparable depending on what and where the crops are grown.

Link?

Conventional fossil fuel dependent farming is collapsing in many places around the globe.

Where is it collapsing?

 

[Woodznutz]

Organic is less efficient. Lower yield. Higher cost.

Yields can be comparable depending on what and where the crops are grown.

Link?

Conventional fossil fuel dependent farming is collapsing in many places around the globe.

Where is it collapsing?

From the link.
"Under certain conditions—that is, with good management practices, particular crop types and growing conditions—organic systems can thus nearly match conventional yields..."

It's collapsing in India, and in danger elsewhere.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/17/opinions/india-farmer-suicide-agriculture-reform-kaur/index.html#:~:text=India%E2%80%99s%20economic%20backbone%20%E2%80%93%20its%20farmers%20and%20their,rates%20of%20cancer%20linked%20to%20exposure%20to%20pesticides.

The Collapse of Industrial Farming

The most upending event of the past 10,000 years is the advent of engineered food as fermentation farms displace factory farms. “We are on the Cusp of the

www.counterpunch.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

From the link.
"Under certain conditions—that is, with good management practices, particular crop types and growing conditions—organic systems can thus nearly match conventional yields..."

It's collapsing in India.

Organic is less efficient. Lower yield. Higher cost.

 

[2aguy]

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Organic is less efficient. Lower yield. Higher cost.

Well......according to the democrats......why don't we just use pixie dust and good feelings instead?

 

[Woodznutz]

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Organic is less efficient. Lower yield. Higher cost.

Organic is better for us and the earth overall.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Organic is better for us and the earth overall.

Especially in the third-world where they need higher yields and more food.
It sucks that they have to burn dung instead of using it as fertilizer.

 

[Woodznutz]

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Why do lower yields matter at all since 40 percent of all food is wasted? If you pay a little more for food, you might be more inclined to eat it all up. I can hold all the food I waste in year in the palm of one hand.

 

[Woodznutz]

Especially in the third-world where they need higher yields and more food.
It sucks that they have to burn dung instead of using it as fertilizer.

The 'green revolution' produced a population explosion in the third world that is unsustainable. The land and the people are sick because of the chemicals used that are needed to sustain yields. Sadly, Monsanto can't produce water on demand.

 

[Leo123]

Saudi Arabia’s first solar power station inaugurated on Farasan Island

<p>Saudi Arabia inaugurated its first solar power station on Sunday. It is located on Farasan Island and will produce 864,000 kilowatts.<br/><br/>The station, which contains 6,000 solar cells, was built by ...</br/></br/></p>

english.alarabiya.net

864KW is not much. Coal fired plants are in the hundreds of Megawatts range.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do lower yields matter at all since 40 percent of all food is wasted? If you pay a little more for food, you might be more inclined to eat it all up. I can hold all the food I waste in year in the palm of one hand.

Well, when people are starving, higher yields matter a lot.

 

[surada]

864KW is not much. Coal fired plants are in the hundreds of Megawatts range.

As I said earlier, they used to haul fuel to the island.

 

[Leo123]

It's about doing the best the world can when faced with a near impossible task of stopping and reversing climate change or AGW.

We haven't even started to consider the huge sacrifices we're going to have to make.

One of the most hurtful changes is in EV's not being able to replace gasoline and diesel vehicles and hence a new lifestyle must be adopted.

AGW has not been proven and Earth's climate changes on its own.

 

[jc456]

stopping and reversing climate change

the amount of stupid in that statement of yours is outstanding. Thanks for the laugh. You think you can control weather. hahahahaahahahahahahaahahah

 

[jc456]

As I said earlier, they used to haul fuel to the island.

you've been stu-d. Wow, dude, your response doesn't make sense to the statement that you responded to.

Leo123 said:
864KW is not much. Coal fired plants are in the hundreds of Megawatts range.

 

[Leo123]

the amount of stupid in that statement of yours is outstanding. Thanks for the laugh. You think you can control weather. hahahahaahahahahahahaahahah

Yeah I have asked them over and over to cite an experiment where humans were able to stop as hurricane or tornado. No one yet has come up with anything.

 

[jc456]

AGW has not been proven and Earth's climate changes on its own.

that dude thinks he can control the weather. it keeps getting better.