jc456
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Proves my pointthat might be for the propositions but political mail representing a candidate from one of the parties have a name on them.....and lots of that mail was undeliverable........Most say occupantthe person moved.....bad address like no such number.....unknown....no apt number and person is unknown at the complex....some have no names on them....those are just a few....and the register of voters usually before an election will send out address correction cards that the carrier will let them know what i pointed out above....but its all moot if the register doesnt correct them....regular political campaign mail is some of the worst they have lots of bad mail .....Why wouldn’t it be delivered?what part jc dont just say bullshit and run....lets hear it....Bullshitill try and remember that lol......when political mail comes in it is noted and it goes out that day....if there is a reason it cant be delivered the carrier will write on each piece why and those pieces on each route are rubber banded and are put in a separate bin and will be sent back to whoevere sent them out so they can see why....the carriers who dumped mail are usually temps or part timers and could not handle the amount of mail in the amount of time to get the route done so they get rid of it thinking no one will know....if a veteran carrier with any amount of time in did that they would be pretty stupid....most have been removed because of vandalism.....people used to throw all kinds of shit in them, broken bottles with whatever was in them so the mail was soaked.....all kinds of different things...Our whole voting system is vulnerable to abuse or mishandling of some kind, just because the moment your ballot leaves your hand & given to another, it's out of your control of what happens with it.......whether in person or by mail. And the biggest difference between the two, is that mail in's involve more people that can either 'misplace' ballots or chose not to count them correctly
Your argument is that the "greatest country in the world" is now unable to innovate and move into the future.
Well.......let's take a look at what happens.......
Voting by mail.....you get your ballot in the mail weeks before the election. If your dog hasn't chewed it or the kids colored on it or maybe you've spilled coffee on it....you finally fill it out and put it in your mail box or take it to street corner mail box, where it could be broken into & stolen. If it manages to escape all that, the mail carrier picks it up and takes it back to the PO, where someone sorts the mail, then gets shipped to the main office by delivery person that hands it off to someone else to be further sorted & stamped or otherwise processed. Then is delivered by another employee to the county office. That person then may hand it off to another (or more) to be processed & counted.
There are several people between your hand and actual count.......just throwing out a number here, but let's say 10 people handle that ballot. Could be more, could be less.
Voting in person..........you get your ballot from an official, fill it out and hand it back to the official that is added to the thousands of other ballots. That is then given to someone else and who knows how many others before it's counted. Any one of those people could misplace your ballot at any stage of the process.
Again, just throwing out a number, but your ballot could be handled by 3-5 people.
My point is that people do make mistakes. Some people do have biases enough to not count votes that they don't agree with, and the more people involved the greater the odds of problems occurring.
There should be a system available that is 100% safe from anyone's tampering......where nothing & nobody comes between you and your vote being counted......but currently there isn't one
So to address your comment specifically......it's not that we CAN'T move into the future, it's just that we haven't yet. Mail in voting is subject to more problems, but also is in-person voting on a smaller scale, but neither is truly safe
I haven't seen a street mail box in years. I take all my mail directly to the PO.
Maybe in your area......but there are still a few scattered around.
Agreed.....and honestly I don't know if the ones still in place are actually available for use.......but they do set up drop boxes on election day, maybe even a few days before. But those ballots don't go thru the PO.
As for # of handlers and security at the PO....thanks it's good to know. IMHO, there's still too many hands in the mix. And I say that because of the BS that happened in 2016, where bags of mail and/or ballots went missing and/or found behind a cabinet or dumped in the garbage?
and btw......I'm a SHE, not a HE.......sheesh