The Inconvenient Truth About The Economy: Democrats Do It Better

[postman]

The OP has it backwards. The president doesn't control the economy. The economy controls the presidency.

Voters elect Dems during bad times. Dems increase taxes and regulation. Eventually the economy improves ON ITS OWN. Because good times never last and bad times never last.

When the economy improves enough, people vote in Republicans who will keep taxes and regulation low. these are the good times. Eventually the good times go bad (because good times do not last forever) and the cycle repeats.

There's a reason why a Dem president presided over the Great Depression

You don't understand economics.
In the past the, usual boom bust cycles, had recessions lasting much longer, before recovering on their own. But more economic controls, regulations etc, has greatly shortened the length of recessions, and the frequency of boom bust cycles.

U.S. recessions have lasted an average of 17 months since 1855, though they have become shorter and less frequent in the modern era. Post-World War II recessions (since 1945) have averaged just over 10 to 11 months, significantly shorter than the 65-monthlong "Long Depression" of the 1870s.

 

[postman]

100% relevant. What was inflation when Biden took office? 1.4% 1 year later 9.1%
Trump cut oil costs which lowered the rate if increase of inflation.

which lowered the rate if increase of inflation. - Hafar1014

In other words, Trump hasn't cut inflation.

Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[Hafar1014]

You don't understand economics.
In the past the, usual boom bust cycles, had recessions lasting much longer, before recovering on their own. But more economic controls, regulations etc, has greatly shortened the length of recessions, and the frequency of boom bust cycles.

U.S. recessions have lasted an average of 17 months since 1855, though they have become shorter and less frequent in the modern era. Post-World War II recessions (since 1945) have averaged just over 10 to 11 months, significantly shorter than the 65-monthlong "Long Depression" of the 1870s.

Biden increased his disaster to 4 years

 

[Eman623]

You don't understand economics.
In the past the, usual boom bust cycles, had recessions lasting much longer, before recovering on their own. But more economic controls, regulations etc, has greatly shortened the length of recessions, and the frequency of boom bust cycles.

U.S. recessions have lasted an average of 17 months since 1855, though they have become shorter and less frequent in the modern era. Post-World War II recessions (since 1945) have averaged just over 10 to 11 months, significantly shorter than the 65-monthlong "Long Depression" of the 1870s.

I know this.

I also know that in early 2020, Trump was favored to win reelection. Then Covid struck and the voters went with Biden.

In 2008, the subprime mortgage housing bubble popped. Bush didn't create that, the seeds were planted a decade before he came into office. But the voters went with Obamassiah to save them.

And I know that in 1988, Bush I was favored to win, when a minor recession hit. Also a third party candidate, Ross Perot, split the R vote and gave the win to Bill Clinton.

Presidents do not cause recessions, nor can they wave some magic wand and end them. They like the rest of us are at the mercy of economic cycles.

 

[citygator]

high school motto right?

I am not sure what high school George W Bush went to, or if he stole it from there.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I am not sure what high school George W Bush went to, or if he stole it from there.

of course, how silly of me, you cited "a great man"

 

[DennisPTate]

It is a very inconvenient truth for the GOP, that since WW2, the economy has performed significantly better under Democrats than Republicans. The exact reasons are debated, but the numbers are the numbers.

• Economic growth, job creation, and stock-market performance have historically been stronger, on average, during Democratic presidencies.
• Every Republican president over roughly the last 50 years has experienced a recession during their term.
• The overwhelming majority of net job creation over the past half-century occurred under Democratic presidents.
• Deficits widen during Republican administrations and narrow during Democratic ones (often after Democrats inherited large deficits).

Vote with your pocket book next election folks.


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New report finds that the economy performs better under Democratic presidential administrations

For well over a decade economists and other social scientists have documented a strong advantage in economic performance during Democratic administrations. A new Economic Policy Institute report updates this work to the latest data available and confirms that this Democratic advantage persists...

www.epi.org

The U.S. Economy Performs Better Under Democratic Presidents - The U.S. Economy Performs Better Under Democratic Presidents - United States Joint Economic Committee

www.jec.senate.gov

The U.S. economy has performed much better under Democratic presidents than Republican presidents in the modern era. In almost every measure of the U.S. economy including total job growth, unemployment, economic growth, manufacturing job growth, manufacturing investment, small business creation, and contribution to the national debt, economic performance is stronger under Democrats. While there are many factors contributing to these trends, the throughline is clear that Democratic administrations consistently help the U.S. economy perform better than Republican administrations.

Democrats in the USA and Liberals here in Canada tend to borrow more money and spend more money and thus they do tend to boost the economy in some important ways by increasing government spending. Democrats in the USA and Liberals here in Canada tend to like Keynesian economics.

Keynesian economics, developed by John Maynard Keynes in the 1930s, posits that aggregate demand—total spending by households, businesses, and government—is the primary driver of the economy. It argues that private sector decisions can lead to inefficient, low-employment outcomes, necessitating active government intervention through fiscal and monetary policy to stabilize the business cycle.

Key Principles and Core Concepts

• Demand-Driven Economy: Unlike classical theory, which suggests supply creates its own demand, Keynesianism argues that inadequate overall demand leads to prolonged recessions.
• • Government Intervention: During downturns, governments should actively increase spending (even through debt) and lower taxes to boost demand, acting as a counterbalance to private sector weakness.
  • "Sticky" Wages and Prices: Keynesian economics asserts that wages and prices do not immediately adjust to decreases in demand, causing high unemployment during economic downturns.
  • The Multiplier Effect: Government spending (e.g., on infrastructure) creates jobs, which increases consumer income and spending, generating further economic activity beyond the initial investment.
  • Countercyclical Policy: The framework suggests running deficits during recessions to stimulate the economy and surpluses during booms to cool inflation.

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• The G. O. P. in the USA and Conservatives here in Canada would tend to not even like the brilliant Economist Milton Friedman. Some of his ideas tend to hurt the head of us "Conservatives."
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[postman]

Presidents do not cause recessions, nor can they wave some magic wand and end them. They like the rest of us are at the mercy of economic cycles.

Just a coincidence that recessions happen under republicans presidents.
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush
Donald J. Trump.

And didn't happen, under democratic presidents
William J. Clinton
Barack H. Obama
Joseph R. Biden

 

[Dorian Mode]

The Inconvenient Truth is that when dumocraps are in power the scams go through the roof and the economy artificially grows because millions of dumocraps are getting rich by scamming the taxpayers. MN is thriving because of government sanctioned scams. Take away the scam money and these cross dressing sexually confused America hating dumocraps have no idea what to do and go on unemployment and start stealing from Walmart. When the GOP is in power they have to spend a lot of time getting rid of the scams and redirecting the money to more productive uses. And as usual, the dumocraps somehow cheat their way back into power and round and round she goes. Until someone like Trump comes along and derails their gravy train.

 

[Eman623]

Just a coincidence that recessions happen under republicans presidents.
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush
Donald J. Trump.

And didn't happen, under democratic presidents
William J. Clinton
Barack H. Obama
Joseph R. Biden

Not entirely a coincidence. Cause and effect. Just not the cause or effect that you assume.

 

[Stryder50]

Irrelevant.

By the time Biden left office inflation was down to 3%.
Inflation now is within decimal points of that

Trump has done nothing

Inflation is cumulative.

Each year's inflation is added/subtracted from the running total.
Biden's inflation total during his term was @ 19.7 % increase.
Trump's first term was @7.5 % increase.

Biden was down to annual rate of 2.9, Trump so far appears t be at 2.7 .
Trump in his first term did more than Biden, looks to continue to be/do better than Biden.

Chart at this link shows inflation rate(percent) each month and year end total from 1914 to present.

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2026

The table displays historical inflation rates with annual figures from 1914 to the present. These inflation rates are calculated using the Consumer Price Index, which is published monthly by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor. The latest BLS data, covering...

www.usinflationcalculator.com

BTW, add up all those yearly averages and you'll get a clue how much a single dollar has decreased in purchase power.

Chart in this link shows a bar graph for the past 11 years; 2015 to 2025.

Current U.S. Inflation Rates: 2000-2026

The annual inflation rate in the United States was 2.7% for the 12 months ending December, the same as previously, according to U.S. Labor Department data released on January 13, 2026. The next update is scheduled for February 13 at 8:30 a.m. ET, and will cover the 12 months ending January...

www.usinflationcalculator.com

Again, Biden's years as POTUS show very heavy inflation compared to previous years.

 

[Stryder50]

You don't understand economics.
In the past the, usual boom bust cycles, had recessions lasting much longer, before recovering on their own. But more economic controls, regulations etc, has greatly shortened the length of recessions, and the frequency of boom bust cycles.

U.S. recessions have lasted an average of 17 months since 1855, though they have become shorter and less frequent in the modern era. Post-World War II recessions (since 1945) have averaged just over 10 to 11 months, significantly shorter than the 65-monthlong "Long Depression" of the 1870s.

Improvements/advances in tech, transportation, communications, and manufacturing, along with global trade are more significant factors than guv'mint regulation/intervention.

 

[berg80]

I know this.

I also know that in early 2020, Trump was favored to win reelection. Then Covid struck and the voters went with Biden.

In 2008, the subprime mortgage housing bubble popped. Bush didn't create that, the seeds were planted a decade before he came into office. But the voters went with Obamassiah to save them.

And I know that in 1988, Bush I was favored to win, when a minor recession hit. Also a third party candidate, Ross Perot, split the R vote and gave the win to Bill Clinton.

Presidents do not cause recessions, nor can they wave some magic wand and end them. They like the rest of us are at the mercy of economic cycles.

U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025​

U.S. added 130,000 jobs in January, but labor market growth stalled in 2025

The Bureau of Labor Statistics found that U.S. employers added 181,000 jobs last year, far fewer than the 1.46 million jobs that were added in 2024.

www.nbcnews.com

Will you blame this on bad luck or a D too.

 

[Eman623]

U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025​

U.S. added 130,000 jobs in January, but labor market growth stalled in 2025

The Bureau of Labor Statistics found that U.S. employers added 181,000 jobs last year, far fewer than the 1.46 million jobs that were added in 2024.

www.nbcnews.com

Will you blame this on bad luck or a D too.

Job growth has been underreported in 2025, but that is beside the point.

If you think that I'm suggesting the president controls the economy, then you are either lying or are showing a profound misunderstanding of what I am actually saying

Blaming the economy on the president is your schtick. Not mine. I blame the president on the economy, not the other wat around.

 

[AntonToo]

They've always been bullshit in the past.
I haven't seen any improvement.

So the answer is no, you can't answer what would be a more reasonable comparison of fiscal policy effects.

So excuse me while I continue to hold opinion based on best data available.

 

[IM2]

Paid for by taxes (and make no mistake, not fully paid for) on the poor and middle class when Biden and the Democrats constantly ran on "making the rich pay their fair share".

Thank Joe Manchin for that, and them stop complaining about paying for improved infrastructure.

 

[IM2]

Job growth has been underreported in 2025, but that is beside the point.

If you think that I'm suggesting the president controls the economy, then you are either lying or are showing a profound misunderstanding of what I am actually saying

Blaming the economy on the president is your schtick. Not mine. I blame the president on the economy, not the other wat around.

BS.

 

[pknopp]

Thank Joe Manchin for that, and them stop complaining about paying for improved infrastructure.

Joe argued it was too big especially since so much of it wasn't paid for. Democrats could have stepped up and made the rich, but no........couldn't do that even though that is what they ran on.

 

[IM2]

The Inconvenient Truth is that when dumocraps are in power the scams go through the roof and the economy artificially grows because millions of dumocraps are getting rich by scamming the taxpayers. MN is thriving because of government sanctioned scams. Take away the scam money and these cross dressing sexually confused America hating dumocraps have no idea what to do and go on unemployment and start stealing from Walmart. When the GOP is in power they have to spend a lot of time getting rid of the scams and redirecting the money to more productive uses. And as usual, the dumocraps somehow cheat their way back into power and round and round she goes. Until someone like Trump comes along and derails their gravy train.

Wrong.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So the answer is no, you can't answer what would be a more reasonable comparison of fiscal policy effects.

So excuse me while I continue to hold opinion based on best data available.

Yes, you should continue to believe the BS projections.