The Incompetence that is Venezuela

[Toro]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

 

[MisterBeale]

Economic Warfare is the same as a medieval siege warfare on a town or city. It is a war-crime against the civilian population.

These charts are bullshit propaganda and do not tell the whole story. The U.S. and it's western allies are using their governments as a bully, to support the fascist paradigm of the global corporate structures because they desire the raw materials that the Venezuelan population owns.

It's not a whole lot different than manifest destiny.

Your nine charts tell a lie. This is how we started in Syria. What next, the CIA arming terrorists in Venezuela?

Former UN rapporteur: US sanctions against Venezuela causing economic and humanitarian crisis
Former UN rapporteur: US sanctions against Venezuela causing economic and humanitarian crisis

"A former United Nations rapporteur has criticised the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he claimed was the real reason for the economic and humanitarian crisis facing the country.

Alfred de Zayas, who last year became the first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years, also suggested in his recently published UN report, that US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

Mr De Zayas, an American lawyer, writer, historian and former secretary of the UN Human Rights Council (HRC), presented his Venezuela report to the HRC in September.

In the report, which can be read in full here, Mr De Zayas recommended, among other actions, that the International Criminal Court investigate economic sanctions against Venezuela as possible crimes against humanity under Article 7 of the Rome Statute. . ."

UN Rapporteur: US Sanctions Cause Death in Venezuela

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

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[Weatherman2020]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

 

[DOTR]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn’t. It’s working just as expected.

 

[martybegan]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

 

[martybegan]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

So basically you need robots. or androids.


It's ironic that removing people from the equation (at least some people) is the one thing marxism has been seen to be good at.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

So basically you need robots. or androids.


It's ironic that removing people from the equation (at least some people) is the one thing marxism has been seen to be good at.

It is a fact you can not take a mixed culture nation like America or even the former Soviet Union and expect Marxism to work.

 

[martybegan]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

So basically you need robots. or androids.


It's ironic that removing people from the equation (at least some people) is the one thing marxism has been seen to be good at.

It is a fact you can not take a mixed culture nation like America or even the former Soviet Union and expect Marxism to work.

Has it worked well in a single culture nation?

And don't point to the Scandinavian countries as examples, they have Welfare States, more Bismarkian than Marxist.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

So basically you need robots. or androids.


It's ironic that removing people from the equation (at least some people) is the one thing marxism has been seen to be good at.

It is a fact you can not take a mixed culture nation like America or even the former Soviet Union and expect Marxism to work.

Has it worked well in a single culture nation?

And don't point to the Scandinavian countries as examples, they have Welfare States, more Bismarkian than Marxist.

Not to my knowledge.

Some will point to China but they are not a true Marxist state nor is North Korea...

 

[martybegan]

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

So basically you need robots. or androids.


It's ironic that removing people from the equation (at least some people) is the one thing marxism has been seen to be good at.

It is a fact you can not take a mixed culture nation like America or even the former Soviet Union and expect Marxism to work.

Has it worked well in a single culture nation?

And don't point to the Scandinavian countries as examples, they have Welfare States, more Bismarkian than Marxist.

Not to my knowledge.

Some will point to China but they are not a true Marxist state nor is North Korea...

China has devolved into a Crony Capitalist Oligarchy.

North Korea is a Socialist Monarchy.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Economic Warfare is the same as a medieval siege warfare on a town or city. It is a war-crime against the civilian population.

These charts are bullshit propaganda and do not tell the whole story. The U.S. and it's western allies are using their governments as a bully, to support the fascist paradigm of the global corporate structures because they desire the raw materials that the Venezuelan population owns.

It's not a whole lot different than manifest destiny.

Your nine charts tell a lie. This is how we started in Syria. What next, the CIA arming terrorists in Venezuela?

Former UN rapporteur: US sanctions against Venezuela causing economic and humanitarian crisis
Former UN rapporteur: US sanctions against Venezuela causing economic and humanitarian crisis

"A former United Nations rapporteur has criticised the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he claimed was the real reason for the economic and humanitarian crisis facing the country.

Alfred de Zayas, who last year became the first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years, also suggested in his recently published UN report, that US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

Mr De Zayas, an American lawyer, writer, historian and former secretary of the UN Human Rights Council (HRC), presented his Venezuela report to the HRC in September.

In the report, which can be read in full here, Mr De Zayas recommended, among other actions, that the International Criminal Court investigate economic sanctions against Venezuela as possible crimes against humanity under Article 7 of the Rome Statute. . ."

UN Rapporteur: US Sanctions Cause Death in Venezuela

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

ODS HOME PAGE

consiidering who the OP is,what else would you expect other than BS propaganda posted? excellent job of taking him to school and owning him.LOL

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

So basically you need robots. or androids.


It's ironic that removing people from the equation (at least some people) is the one thing marxism has been seen to be good at.

It is a fact you can not take a mixed culture nation like America or even the former Soviet Union and expect Marxism to work.

Has it worked well in a single culture nation?

And don't point to the Scandinavian countries as examples, they have Welfare States, more Bismarkian than Marxist.

Not to my knowledge.

Some will point to China but they are not a true Marxist state nor is North Korea...

China has devolved into a Crony Capitalist Oligarchy.

North Korea is a Socialist Monarchy.

Well, tiny know sooner or later they will try to bring their hell... I mean Utopia here while forcing it onto everyone while holding the gun to our heads...

 

[martybegan]

So basically you need robots. or androids.


It's ironic that removing people from the equation (at least some people) is the one thing marxism has been seen to be good at.

It is a fact you can not take a mixed culture nation like America or even the former Soviet Union and expect Marxism to work.

Has it worked well in a single culture nation?

And don't point to the Scandinavian countries as examples, they have Welfare States, more Bismarkian than Marxist.

Not to my knowledge.

Some will point to China but they are not a true Marxist state nor is North Korea...

China has devolved into a Crony Capitalist Oligarchy.

North Korea is a Socialist Monarchy.

Well, tiny know sooner or later they will try to bring their hell... I mean Utopia here while forcing it onto everyone while holding the gun to our heads...

They will try, but first they will have to destroy federalism to do it.

Oh wait, they are trying to do that right now....

 

[MisterBeale]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

Socialism can only work in a free market. It MUST compete with individual intiative to work, that is why all the elites that run our economy hate the free market.

Did you know that the FEDERAL RESERVE is a monopoly and opposed to the free market?

Examples of successful socialism in a free market;

Credit union - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers'_co-operative

National Cooperative Business Association - Wikipedia

Cooperative - Wikipedia

Mutual organization - Wikipedia

Friendly society - Wikipedia

Food cooperative - Wikipedia

Agricultural cooperative - Wikipedia

Ocean Spray (cooperative) - Wikipedia

Sunkist Growers, Incorporated - Wikipedia

United Egg Producers - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_O'Lakes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_Natural_Growers

List of energy cooperatives - Wikipedia

That type of "mixed" economy the elites practice they call "capitalism" but is, in reality, something called dirgism.

Dirigisme - Wikipedia

This is something used to oppress the lower classes, maintain tight control on a corrupt society and enrich the oligarchy.

 

[martybegan]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

Socialism can only work in a free market. It MUST compete with individual intiative to work, that is why all the elites that run our economy hate the free market.

Did you know that the FEDERAL RESERVE is a monopoly and opposed to the free market?

Examples of successful socialism in a free market;

Credit union - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers'_co-operative

National Cooperative Business Association - Wikipedia

Cooperative - Wikipedia

Mutual organization - Wikipedia

Friendly society - Wikipedia

Food cooperative - Wikipedia

Agricultural cooperative - Wikipedia

Ocean Spray (cooperative) - Wikipedia

Sunkist Growers, Incorporated - Wikipedia

United Egg Producers - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_O'Lakes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_Natural_Growers

List of energy cooperatives - Wikipedia

That type of "mixed" economy the elites practice they call "capitalism" but is, in reality, something called dirgism.

Dirigisme - Wikipedia

This is something used to oppress the lower classes, maintain tight control on a corrupt society and enrich the oligarchy.

Cooperatives are not socialism. You need to governmental involvement in means of production for socialism to be considered, and you need the whole class argument thing to be involved if you want to imply marxism (of which socialism is the method of removing class struggle)

A bunch of people banding together to sell oranges may be cronyism, but it isn't socialism.

 

[MisterBeale]

This is the most incompetent government in the Western hemisphere.

This would be unbelievable if we hadn't seen this from the statists over and over and over again in the Emerging Markets.

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Venezuela’s Economic Collapse Explained in Nine Charts

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

Socialism can only work in a free market. It MUST compete with individual intiative to work, that is why all the elites that run our economy hate the free market.

Did you know that the FEDERAL RESERVE is a monopoly and opposed to the free market?

Examples of successful socialism in a free market;

Credit union - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers'_co-operative

National Cooperative Business Association - Wikipedia

Cooperative - Wikipedia

Mutual organization - Wikipedia

Friendly society - Wikipedia

Food cooperative - Wikipedia

Agricultural cooperative - Wikipedia

Ocean Spray (cooperative) - Wikipedia

Sunkist Growers, Incorporated - Wikipedia

United Egg Producers - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_O'Lakes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_Natural_Growers

List of energy cooperatives - Wikipedia

That type of "mixed" economy the elites practice they call "capitalism" but is, in reality, something called dirgism.

Dirigisme - Wikipedia

This is something used to oppress the lower classes, maintain tight control on a corrupt society and enrich the oligarchy.

Cooperatives are not socialism. You need to governmental involvement in means of production for socialism to be considered, and you need the whole class argument thing to be involved if you want to imply marxism (of which socialism is the method of removing class struggle)

A bunch of people banding together to sell oranges may be cronyism, but it isn't socialism.

If we are going to quibble over definitions, there will be no debate then.

Under this definition;

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Everything I just listed IS socialism. Furthermore, socialism DOES NOT need government and IT CAN exist in a free market.

 

[MisterBeale]

Economic Warfare is the same as a medieval siege warfare on a town or city. It is a war-crime against the civilian population.

These charts are bullshit propaganda and do not tell the whole story. The U.S. and it's western allies are using their governments as a bully, to support the fascist paradigm of the global corporate structures because they desire the raw materials that the Venezuelan population owns.

It's not a whole lot different than manifest destiny.

Your nine charts tell a lie. This is how we started in Syria. What next, the CIA arming terrorists in Venezuela?

Former UN rapporteur: US sanctions against Venezuela causing economic and humanitarian crisis
Former UN rapporteur: US sanctions against Venezuela causing economic and humanitarian crisis

"A former United Nations rapporteur has criticised the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he claimed was the real reason for the economic and humanitarian crisis facing the country.

Alfred de Zayas, who last year became the first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years, also suggested in his recently published UN report, that US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

Mr De Zayas, an American lawyer, writer, historian and former secretary of the UN Human Rights Council (HRC), presented his Venezuela report to the HRC in September.

In the report, which can be read in full here, Mr De Zayas recommended, among other actions, that the International Criminal Court investigate economic sanctions against Venezuela as possible crimes against humanity under Article 7 of the Rome Statute. . ."

UN Rapporteur: US Sanctions Cause Death in Venezuela

Venezuela-Related Sanctions

ODS HOME PAGE

consiidering who the OP is,what else would you expect other than BS propaganda posted? excellent job of taking him to school and owning him.LOL

Yes, well, it is going to be ignored, because it is hard to argue with the fact that government control over the economy is, in fact, dumb.

The problem Chavez had starting out though, is the propaganda. He originally DIDN'T want to take control over that much of the economy. He just wanted to divert more of the fat of the land towards helping the poor. His opponents sort of forced his hand.

It was a tit for tat sort of thing, that eventually ended, with what he said was the CIA's weaponization of cancer, ending up in his death. And, well, you saw the economic warfare that resulted in that post I made.

He really was good for most of the nation, just not the upper class. IOW, he would have been like THEIR Donald Trump. The economic elites were just out to get him from the start.

How did Venezuela change under Hugo Chávez?
Venezuela's president has died 14 years after his first election victory. How did the country changed since Hugo Chávez took power?
How did Venezuela change under Hugo Chávez?

 

[martybegan]

How could they screw up socialism so badly?

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

Socialism can only work in a free market. It MUST compete with individual intiative to work, that is why all the elites that run our economy hate the free market.

Did you know that the FEDERAL RESERVE is a monopoly and opposed to the free market?

Examples of successful socialism in a free market;

Credit union - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers'_co-operative

National Cooperative Business Association - Wikipedia

Cooperative - Wikipedia

Mutual organization - Wikipedia

Friendly society - Wikipedia

Food cooperative - Wikipedia

Agricultural cooperative - Wikipedia

Ocean Spray (cooperative) - Wikipedia

Sunkist Growers, Incorporated - Wikipedia

United Egg Producers - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_O'Lakes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_Natural_Growers

List of energy cooperatives - Wikipedia

That type of "mixed" economy the elites practice they call "capitalism" but is, in reality, something called dirgism.

Dirigisme - Wikipedia

This is something used to oppress the lower classes, maintain tight control on a corrupt society and enrich the oligarchy.

Cooperatives are not socialism. You need to governmental involvement in means of production for socialism to be considered, and you need the whole class argument thing to be involved if you want to imply marxism (of which socialism is the method of removing class struggle)

A bunch of people banding together to sell oranges may be cronyism, but it isn't socialism.

If we are going to quibble over definitions, there will be no debate then.

Under this definition;

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Everything I just listed IS socialism. Furthermore, socialism DOES NOT need government and IT CAN exist in a free market.

I am going to quibble over the definition. A voluntary collective agreement is just a contract, it isn't socialism. There were collective organizations before Marx such as guilds, or even the collective security found in feudalism, but socialism as a modern construct came from Marx, and Marx was all about class struggle and the use of government to eliminate that class struggle.

 

[MisterBeale]

They didn't.

The best way to describe socialist/marxist application is to find one of those Sci Fi episodes where the protagonists are stuck in a time loop, and someone is trying to manipulate the time loop to get some result, but can never quite get it right. Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek Voyager have episodes using this plot device.

To me marxism has the same problem, people try over an over to get it right, but they never quite can make it work.

It can work if only you could remove greed, sloth and envy...

Until then it is just a dream of delusional people thinking they discovered the cure...

Socialism can only work in a free market. It MUST compete with individual intiative to work, that is why all the elites that run our economy hate the free market.

Did you know that the FEDERAL RESERVE is a monopoly and opposed to the free market?

Examples of successful socialism in a free market;

Credit union - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers'_co-operative

National Cooperative Business Association - Wikipedia

Cooperative - Wikipedia

Mutual organization - Wikipedia

Friendly society - Wikipedia

Food cooperative - Wikipedia

Agricultural cooperative - Wikipedia

Ocean Spray (cooperative) - Wikipedia

Sunkist Growers, Incorporated - Wikipedia

United Egg Producers - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_O'Lakes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_Natural_Growers

List of energy cooperatives - Wikipedia

That type of "mixed" economy the elites practice they call "capitalism" but is, in reality, something called dirgism.

Dirigisme - Wikipedia

This is something used to oppress the lower classes, maintain tight control on a corrupt society and enrich the oligarchy.

Cooperatives are not socialism. You need to governmental involvement in means of production for socialism to be considered, and you need the whole class argument thing to be involved if you want to imply marxism (of which socialism is the method of removing class struggle)

A bunch of people banding together to sell oranges may be cronyism, but it isn't socialism.

If we are going to quibble over definitions, there will be no debate then.

Under this definition;

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Everything I just listed IS socialism. Furthermore, socialism DOES NOT need government and IT CAN exist in a free market.

I am going to quibble over the definition. A voluntary collective agreement is just a contract, it isn't socialism. There were collective organizations before Marx such as guilds, or even the collective security found in feudalism, but socialism as a modern construct came from Marx, and Marx was all about class struggle and the use of government to eliminate that class struggle.

Damn you ARE stubborn.

So it was MARX that called that FIRST INTERNATIONALE? And they all came running?