The hypocrisy and arrogance of atheism

[Derideo_Te]

That law of physics applies to the interaction of material objects only.

That is correct. There are no laws that apply to superstitious beliefs because they are not subject to the scientific method. They can be whatever the imagination wants them to be.

 

[the_human_being]

While not proven, it at least has evidence to support it.

abiogenesis has evidence to support it?.......lol, no......it does not......lightening has been stricking mud puddles for millions of years......how many of them have been found teeming with new life forms?......
not only does it have no more evidence to support it than ID, it actually has the evidence of those million years of lightning strikes WITHOUT new life as evidence it did NOT work.........

A shared problem among you YEC'ists is your abysmal lack of education in the sciences.

Your "mud puddles" comment is right out of the playbook of fundie christian ministries. You have made yourself an accomplice to ignorance and fraud.

Abiogenesis FAQs The Origins of Life

We concede that you have bestowed upon your person doctorate degrees in archeology, astronomy, geology, medicine, physics, earth sciences, electronics technology, mathematics, religion, aerospace technology, etc., because you remind us of your superior knowledge in almost every post you make. I get goose-bumps simply standing in your shadow. I am awed that your education and knowledge surpasses that of Solomon or Einstein. You have self-inflated your ego to it dangerously surpasses that of your manufacturer's warranty. We hang upon your every word. Please don't stop. Say something else that glorifies your own self-esteem.

 

[Hollie]

While not proven, it at least has evidence to support it.

abiogenesis has evidence to support it?.......lol, no......it does not......lightening has been stricking mud puddles for millions of years......how many of them have been found teeming with new life forms?......
not only does it have no more evidence to support it than ID, it actually has the evidence of those million years of lightning strikes WITHOUT new life as evidence it did NOT work.........

A shared problem among you YEC'ists is your abysmal lack of education in the sciences.

Your "mud puddles" comment is right out of the playbook of fundie christian ministries. You have made yourself an accomplice to ignorance and fraud.

Abiogenesis FAQs The Origins of Life

We concede that you have bestowed upon your person doctorate degrees in archeology, astronomy, geology, medicine, physics, earth sciences, electronics technology, mathematics, religion, aerospace technology, etc., because you remind us of your superior knowledge in almost every post you make. I get goose-bumps simply standing in your shadow. I am awed that your education and knowledge surpasses that of Solomon or Einstein. You have self-inflated your ego to it dangerously surpasses that of your manufacturer's warranty. We hang upon your every word. Please don't stop. Say something else that glorifies your own self-esteem.

You need to let go of your self-hate. You and the hyper-religious cabal make a mistake common among religious extremists in that your science loathing agenda is intended only to throw a burqa on your lack of ability to support your claims to supernaturalism.

After pages and pages of posts, none of the fundamentalists are stepping up to the plate with any affirmative theory of creationism / ID. I was hoping Creationists would finally present their General Creation Theory...but after these pages of posts, not a single one has. In that sense, how disappointing that the ID'iot creationists are left with openly desperate attempts to disparage science.

It is not necessary for scientists to prove that design is not required for the complexity we see in nature. NONE of the scientific theories that explain natural phenomena make appeals to unseen, supernatural gawds. If you or any ID'iot creationists have evidence that something shows signs of being designed (something that could not have arisen naturally) please come forward with it. To date, no one has. ID'iots / supernaturalists are the ones introducing supernatural forces... they are the ones who must substantiate their incredible claims.

 

[The Irish Ram]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

 

[the_human_being]

While not proven, it at least has evidence to support it.

abiogenesis has evidence to support it?.......lol, no......it does not......lightening has been stricking mud puddles for millions of years......how many of them have been found teeming with new life forms?......
not only does it have no more evidence to support it than ID, it actually has the evidence of those million years of lightning strikes WITHOUT new life as evidence it did NOT work.........

A shared problem among you YEC'ists is your abysmal lack of education in the sciences.

Your "mud puddles" comment is right out of the playbook of fundie christian ministries. You have made yourself an accomplice to ignorance and fraud.

Abiogenesis FAQs The Origins of Life

We concede that you have bestowed upon your person doctorate degrees in archeology, astronomy, geology, medicine, physics, earth sciences, electronics technology, mathematics, religion, aerospace technology, etc., because you remind us of your superior knowledge in almost every post you make. I get goose-bumps simply standing in your shadow. I am awed that your education and knowledge surpasses that of Solomon or Einstein. You have self-inflated your ego to it dangerously surpasses that of your manufacturer's warranty. We hang upon your every word. Please don't stop. Say something else that glorifies your own self-esteem.

You need to let go of your self-hate. You and the hyper-religious cabal make a mistake common among religious extremists in that your science loathing agenda is intended only to throw a burqa on your lack of ability to support your claims to supernaturalism.

After pages and pages of posts, none of the fundamentalists are stepping up to the plate with any affirmative theory of creationism / ID. I was hoping Creationists would finally present their General Creation Theory...but after these pages of posts, not a single one has. In that sense, how disappointing that the ID'iot creationists are left with openly desperate attempts to disparage science.

It is not necessary for scientists to prove that design is not required for the complexity we see in nature. NONE of the scientific theories that explain natural phenomena make appeals to unseen, supernatural gawds. If you or any ID'iot creationists have evidence that something shows signs of being designed (something that could not have arisen naturally) please come forward with it. To date, no one has. ID'iots / supernaturalists are the ones introducing supernatural forces... they are the ones who must substantiate their incredible claims.

Perhaps they are blinded by your brilliance.

 

[jillian]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Proving that G-d exists is proving a positive. Proving he does NOT exist is proving a negative and not required.

I don't believe in false messiahs. Thanks.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Nonsense.

What theists subjectively perceive is not 'proof.' It merely demonstrates that theists participate in a shared delusion.

 

[the_human_being]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Proving that G-d exists is proving a positive. Proving he does NOT exist is proving a negative and not required.

I don't believe in false messiahs. Thanks.

Probably why He spoke in parables. Not to worry though. What goes around comes around. He said if you deny Him, that He will deny you. You can't say He's not fair about it.

 

[Vandalshandle]

God seems to me to be emotionally needy and insecure. You would think that someone who is all knowing and all powerful, who has no limitations whatsoever, would not feel it necessary to demand that he be worshiped by his own creations.

 

[the_human_being]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Nonsense.

What theists subjectively perceive is not 'proof.' It merely demonstrates that theists participate in a shared delusion.

But they're happy in their delusion. I've never encountered a happy atheist yet. They're all miserable. If they're wrong, all that happens to them is that they lie down and go to sleep. On the other hand, if you're wrong, you're going to lie down and go to sleep and be awakened. You will die twice. Allow them their delusion. They will allow your reawakening.

 

[the_human_being]

God seems to me to be emotionally needy and insecure. You would think that someone who is all knowing and all powerful, who has no limitations whatsoever, would not feel it necessary to demand that he be worshiped by his own creations.

Apparently He is not forcing you to worship him. Has He appeared unto you and threatened you? If He doesn't exist as you folks claim, why do you even discuss Him?

 

[Hollie]

While not proven, it at least has evidence to support it.

abiogenesis has evidence to support it?.......lol, no......it does not......lightening has been stricking mud puddles for millions of years......how many of them have been found teeming with new life forms?......
not only does it have no more evidence to support it than ID, it actually has the evidence of those million years of lightning strikes WITHOUT new life as evidence it did NOT work.........

A shared problem among you YEC'ists is your abysmal lack of education in the sciences.

Your "mud puddles" comment is right out of the playbook of fundie christian ministries. You have made yourself an accomplice to ignorance and fraud.

Abiogenesis FAQs The Origins of Life

We concede that you have bestowed upon your person doctorate degrees in archeology, astronomy, geology, medicine, physics, earth sciences, electronics technology, mathematics, religion, aerospace technology, etc., because you remind us of your superior knowledge in almost every post you make. I get goose-bumps simply standing in your shadow. I am awed that your education and knowledge surpasses that of Solomon or Einstein. You have self-inflated your ego to it dangerously surpasses that of your manufacturer's warranty. We hang upon your every word. Please don't stop. Say something else that glorifies your own self-esteem.

You need to let go of your self-hate. You and the hyper-religious cabal make a mistake common among religious extremists in that your science loathing agenda is intended only to throw a burqa on your lack of ability to support your claims to supernaturalism.

After pages and pages of posts, none of the fundamentalists are stepping up to the plate with any affirmative theory of creationism / ID. I was hoping Creationists would finally present their General Creation Theory...but after these pages of posts, not a single one has. In that sense, how disappointing that the ID'iot creationists are left with openly desperate attempts to disparage science.

It is not necessary for scientists to prove that design is not required for the complexity we see in nature. NONE of the scientific theories that explain natural phenomena make appeals to unseen, supernatural gawds. If you or any ID'iot creationists have evidence that something shows signs of being designed (something that could not have arisen naturally) please come forward with it. To date, no one has. ID'iots / supernaturalists are the ones introducing supernatural forces... they are the ones who must substantiate their incredible claims.

Perhaps they are blinded by your brilliance.

Perhaps you're just befuddled.

When any individual can gainsay a model without stepping up to the plate and showing why their model is true, and show cause, and display testable evidence then they are, by definition of what we know knowledge is to be, out of the game. This holds true for all claims, be they of science, or philosophy, or of theism.

Thus, gawd(s), Jinn, devils, the “risen from the dead”, etc., etc., replete with flying winged men in nightgowns, fat naked babies playing harps, chariots of fire cruising through the clouds, that seas part and books predict the end of the world, all the now thoroughly discredited excuses to commit our logic and reason to be discarded in favor of:

"The gawds did it"

 

[Hollie]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Nonsense.

What theists subjectively perceive is not 'proof.' It merely demonstrates that theists participate in a shared delusion.

But they're happy in their delusion. I've never encountered a happy atheist yet. They're all miserable. If they're wrong, all that happens to them is that they lie down and go to sleep. On the other hand, if you're wrong, you're going to lie down and go to sleep and be awakened. You will die twice. Allow them their delusion. They will allow your reawakening.

Not that you religious extremists are prone to making broad, sweeping generalizations or using your gawds to threaten people.

 

[rightwinger]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Nonsense.

What theists subjectively perceive is not 'proof.' It merely demonstrates that theists participate in a shared delusion.

But they're happy in their delusion. I've never encountered a happy atheist yet. They're all miserable. If they're wrong, all that happens to them is that they lie down and go to sleep. On the other hand, if you're wrong, you're going to lie down and go to sleep and be awakened. You will die twice. Allow them their delusion. They will allow your reawakening.

Atheists are miserable?

We are not the ones wasting our lives worshipping imaginary creatures

 

[jillian]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Nonsense.

What theists subjectively perceive is not 'proof.' It merely demonstrates that theists participate in a shared delusion.

But they're happy in their delusion. I've never encountered a happy atheist yet. They're all miserable. If they're wrong, all that happens to them is that they lie down and go to sleep. On the other hand, if you're wrong, you're going to lie down and go to sleep and be awakened. You will die twice. Allow them their delusion. They will allow your reawakening.

Well I'm not an atheist, but those I know are perfectly happy, unlike the angry theists I know.

But no problem, you're allowed your delusions. Just don't try to impose them on normal people.

 

[PratchettFan]

Yes it does. But I understand you don't accept that and I am fine with that.

????.....what evidence?.....the fact that organic chemicals exist?......the fact lightning can strike?.......how about some evidence that if you put the two together life occurs.....oh wait, we have a couple million years of experience showing it hasn't.....

Evidence has been provided by people better qualified than me.

I'm sorry, but that simply isn't true.......better, worse, indifferent.....no one has ever provided anyone with evidence that abiogenesis has ever occurred.....you may be assuming it has been because scientists talk about abiogenesis, but it is all merely conjecture at this point.....

I never said it wasn't conjecture. I have said I see it as the most rational explanation.

beside the point.....you said evidence has been provided......that is what I responded to......you should not say evidence has been provided when no evidence has ever been provided........

It has been. Whether you accept it as such is up to you.

 

[Vandalshandle]

God seems to me to be emotionally needy and insecure. You would think that someone who is all knowing and all powerful, who has no limitations whatsoever, would not feel it necessary to demand that he be worshiped by his own creations.

Apparently He is not forcing you to worship him. Has He appeared unto you and threatened you? If He doesn't exist as you folks claim, why do you even discuss Him?

Actually he has spoken to me. He told me that he was still pissed about Adam and Eve, and that he was going to kill me. Then, he is going to torture me forever. However, he told me that he loves me, so I guess everything is alright.

 

[The Irish Ram]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Nonsense.

What theists subjectively perceive is not 'proof.' It merely demonstrates that theists participate in a shared delusion.

But they're happy in their delusion. I've never encountered a happy atheist yet. They're all miserable. If they're wrong, all that happens to them is that they lie down and go to sleep. On the other hand, if you're wrong, you're going to lie down and go to sleep and be awakened. You will die twice. Allow them their delusion. They will allow your reawakening.

Well I'm not an atheist, but those I know are perfectly happy, unlike the angry theists I know.

But no problem, you're allowed your delusions. Just don't try to impose them on normal people.

Oddly, The Christians I know are the most level headed, happy people I know, who accept history as conclusive not delusional.
When someone records the words that came out of the mouths of those involved in the execution of Christ, and then hands it to those involved with no objections from the participants, I include that as confirmation of faith.

I know what Pilate did upon hearing Christ had returned from the grave, and it confirms what I already believed. As an atheist, do you know what Pilate's concern was when he heard that the Nazarene was back? Or is it easier to say, "None of them probably existed." There is more documentation concerning Christ and His return than there is proof that Cesar existed. How far is your disbelief willing to go?

 

[Vandalshandle]

poor teatard....
should the non-existence of santa claus, the easter bunny and faeries be proven as well.
no one needs to prove a negative. you need to prove an asserted fact.
you believe... that's fine. but it's faith.
no hypocrisy on the part of those who don't believe.
poor dear.

"Did you shoot you neighbor last night"?
"No"
"Prove that negative".

Proving that God exists isn't proving a negative. You can't see the wind, but that doesn't make wind a negative. You can still prove it exists even if it is invisible.
Prophesy proves God exists. The supernatural numerical codes used by those who penned God's word exist. A record of Christ's return exists. The Jews considered it a legal truth if two or more substantiate testimony. Three men testified to seeing Christ's return with those whom Christ salvaged from Abraham's bosom. Two of those who returned with Christ gave separate legal testimony regarding the incident and their own personal return from death. The proof exists for those who have ears to hear.

Nonsense.

What theists subjectively perceive is not 'proof.' It merely demonstrates that theists participate in a shared delusion.

But they're happy in their delusion. I've never encountered a happy atheist yet. They're all miserable. If they're wrong, all that happens to them is that they lie down and go to sleep. On the other hand, if you're wrong, you're going to lie down and go to sleep and be awakened. You will die twice. Allow them their delusion. They will allow your reawakening.

Well I'm not an atheist, but those I know are perfectly happy, unlike the angry theists I know.

But no problem, you're allowed your delusions. Just don't try to impose them on normal people.

Oddly, The Christians I know are the most level headed, happy people I know, who accept history as conclusive not delusional.
When someone records the words that came out of the mouths of those involved in the execution of Christ, and then hands it to those involved with no objections from the participants, I include that as confirmation of faith.

I know what Pilate did upon hearing Christ had returned from the grave, and it confirms my faith. As an atheist, do you know what Pilate's concern was when he heard that the Nazarene was back? Or is it easier to say, "None of them probably existed." There is more documentation concerning Christ and His return than there is proof that Cesar existed. How far is your disbelief willing to go?

My guess is that the recording was on 8 track tape, which would explain why nobody has been able to play it back.

 

[The Irish Ram]

God seems to me to be emotionally needy and insecure. You would think that someone who is all knowing and all powerful, who has no limitations whatsoever, would not feel it necessary to demand that he be worshiped by his own creations.

Apparently He is not forcing you to worship him. Has He appeared unto you and threatened you? If He doesn't exist as you folks claim, why do you even discuss Him?

Actually he has spoken to me. He told me that he was still pissed about Adam and Eve, and that he was going to kill me. Then, he is going to torture me forever. However, he told me that he loves me, so I guess everything is alright.

You dumbass, you're listening to Satan, not your Father. Your Father said, I love you beyond what you are capable of understanding. I honor you, I dance over you, I sing over you, I have the answer to prevent your death. Live through my Son, Christ, and stop listening to Satan. I have given you the power to overcome evil and live life more abundantly. I will never desert you.