The Homosexual Agenda, The aclu, And Your Children...

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[doniston]

Congratulations, you have finally found a site which supports your homophobic position. ---feel better now?

the average person will not allow this program to succeed.

 

[mattskramer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Defense_Fund

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Alliance_Defense_Fund

I’m familiar with the routine. It is a special interest law firm fixated on pushing Christianity. It looks for those isolated incidences and blows them out of proportion. It then rants and raves and asks for money so that it can put a halt to such transgressions. It builds mountains out of molehills and call for donations so that it can file suits to destroy these tiny insignificant incidences.

This ad for donations looks rather tame when compared to other “the sky is falling” hype and paranoia that it often puts out.

 

[007]

I would have expected as much... the boards two perverts jumping to the defense of the homos.

Number one homo defender, doniston, the old pervert who sat around with little boys discussing penis size.

Number two homo defender, matskramer, the guy who openly purported he participated in a queer boy circle jerk with his buddies, and also openly purported that he thinks incest is OK.

You two take the cake.

 

[Larkinn]

Nice Ad hominem attack there PR. But I guess thats all you can fall back on after you post obvious bullshit propaganda like this.

 

[mattskramer]

Number two homo defender, matskramer, the guy who openly purported he participated in a queer boy circle jerk with his buddies, and also openly purported that he thinks incest is OK.

You two take the cake.

You lie about me again. I was not with buddies.

I was attracted to one young man years ago. It was just one incident. Aside from that, a while ago, I thought (note the past tense) that it should be okay for consenting adults, even of the same family, to have sex. Oh well.

People of this board: Don’t trust what Pale Rider says about me. Search the posts for yourself or ask me directly. I have nothing to hide.

 

[mattskramer]

Nice Ad hominem attack there PR. But I guess thats all you can fall back on after you post obvious bullshit propaganda like this.

It seems to be his typical predictable tactic. Not only are his Ad hominem attacks so common. They are even, often, technically incorrect.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Doesn't sound like minor or isolated events to me at all. Just glad my kids are out of the public school system now.

 

[Shogun]

good grief.


Is it too much to ask to get more interesting righties on this board?

 

[Larkinn]

Doesn't sound like minor or isolated events to me at all. Just glad my kids are out of the public school system now.

Thats because:

1) You lack critical reading skills
2) ADF puts out lies and misleading statements
3) You are terrified by people who think differently than you do.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Thats because:

1) You lack critical reading skills
2) ADF puts out lies and misleading statements
3) You are terrified by people who think differently than you do.

Well there you have it, Mensa boy has used his intellectual powers, his medical degree and his psychic powers to solve another case of someones personal opinion.

I have an idea Mensa boy. take EACH of the specific cases mentioned in the article and prove they never happened. I mean you ARE claiming they didn't occur aren't you? If not then explain my LACK of critical reading skills, point out the lies and misleading statements and then prove how you know I am terrified of anyone.

Shouldn't be hard for super Mensa boy, now should it? I won't hold my breath for anything except word games from you.

 

[mattskramer]

Doesn't sound like minor or isolated events to me at all. Just glad my kids are out of the public school system now.

So we disagree. It is my understanding that organizations like that look all over the country to find incidences and blow them out of proportion. They need to convince people that it is a major problem so that they can get as much in donations as they can.

Anyway. I support the privatization of education or at least using the voucher system. If we had that, then parents would be better able to take children to the schools that they want teaching their children. If they want schools that lean to the left teaching their children, then they can take their children there. If they want to have their children taught in a conservative school, they can have their children taught there.

 

[Larkinn]

Well there you have it, Mensa boy has used his intellectual powers, his medical degree and his psychic powers to solve another case of someones personal opinion.

God...you really are a fucking moron.

I have an idea Mensa boy. take EACH of the specific cases mentioned in the article and prove they never happened. I mean you ARE claiming they didn't occur aren't you? If not then explain my LACK of critical reading skills, point out the lies and misleading statements and then prove how you know I am terrified of anyone.

Lmao...yes everything ADF says is a lie. Oh wait I didn't say that did I? Hence my statement about your lack of critical reading skills. Gee, what a surprise, you still can't read simple english.

Shouldn't be hard for super Mensa boy, now should it? I won't hold my breath for anything except word games from you.

I know...you like to communicate in grunts because words are far too complicated for an incompetent yourself.

 

[mattskramer]

Well there you have it, Mensa boy has used his intellectual powers, his medical degree and his psychic powers to solve another case of someones personal opinion.

I have an idea Mensa boy. take EACH of the specific cases mentioned in the article and prove they never happened. I mean you ARE claiming they didn't occur aren't you? If not then explain my LACK of critical reading skills, point out the lies and misleading statements and then prove how you know I am terrified of anyone.

Shouldn't be hard for super Mensa boy, now should it? I won't hold my breath for anything except word games from you.

Shouldn’t it be ADF’s responsibility to prove that it did happen? I was hoping for a few links to less biased sources that would provide confirming information. What is GLSEN’s position on the incidences? Even if some of these incidences occurred as they were described it hardly deserves the hype that it is being given. Oh no! A child was punished for wearing a shirt that criticized the school that she was attending! Horrors.

 

[Larkinn]

I particularly like the case where they sued the school, lied about what the school had done, then got a settlement from the school. I thought you were against frivolous lawsuits RGS? Oh wait...but its ok here because they principal wasn't letting a teacher pass out religious propaganda.

 

[jillian]

Right Wing Organizations


Alliance Defense Fund

Founded by a group of high-profile Religious Right leaders such as D. James Kennedy and James Dobson, the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) sees itself as a counter to the ACLU. As a legal group, it assists and augments the efforts of other right-wing groups to “keep the door open for the spread of the Gospel.” The ADF has been active on issues including pushing “marriage protection,” exposing the “homosexual agenda” and fighting the supposed “war on Christmas.”

Alliance Defense Fund
15333 N. Pima Road - Suite 165
Scottsdale AZ 85260
Website: www.alliancedefensefund.org

Founders: Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ; Larry Burkett, founder of Christian Financial Concepts; Rev. James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family; Rev. D. James Kennedy, founder of Coral Ridge Ministries; Marlin Maddoux, President of International Christian Media; Don Wildmon, founder of American Family Association; and 25+ other ministries.
Founded: 1994
President and General Counsel: Alan Sears
Officers, Directors, Trustees, and Key Employees: Alan Sears, Wayne N. Swindler, Marv McCarthy
Other Staff: 38 employees
Finances: $15,744,101 (2003 budget)
Major Donors: Bill and Berniece Grewcock Foundation, Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation, Bradley Foundation.


Principal Issues
Background
Alan Sears’ Background
Quotes


Principal Issues
The Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) is a Christian legal firm established by more than 30 Christian ministries to help defend “family values” and work against the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union).

ADF defines itself by its ability to strategize and coordinate with lawyers all over the United States. Lawyers who sign up for their “Blackstone Legal Institute” are expected to donate 450 pro bono hours over a three year period.

ADF has coordinated more than 750 lawyers and 125 right-wing organizations, and many conservative ministries on behalf of ADF-defined Christian legal issues.

ADF claims 25 “victories” before the Supreme Court, including: Boy Scouts of America v. Dale (2000), which allowed the Boy Scouts to fire a Scout Leader due solely to his sexual orientation; United States v. American Library Association (2003), in which the Court voted to allow the federal government to withhold federal funds if libraries did not comply with the filtering called for by the Children’s Internet Protection Act of 2000; and Zelman v. Simmons-Harris (2002), upheld Ohio’s school voucher system, which allows for parents to send their children to private or religious schools with taxpayer-funded vouchers.

ADF has linked more than 125 groups to create a combined effort to fight for their issues. They’ve brought together attorneys and allied legal groups to help develop a national strategy on controversial social issues, for example they worked with others to develop a national strategy to “protect marriage” across the United States after Vermont's decision to legalize civil unions for gays and lesbians.

In addition to organizing lawyers and ministries, ADF also trains and recruits and provides grants to support legal cases as well as pro-bono assistance.

ADF also defends the right of Christians to “share the gospel” in workplaces and public schools, claiming that any efforts to curb proselytizing at work and school are anti-Christian.

ADF has had success in anti-gay cases all over the US, from Alaska to Massachusetts.

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Background
Unique to the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) is their collective of high-power founders, including wealthy right-wing organizations such as Dobson’s Focus on the Family and D. James Kennedy’s Coral Ridge Ministries.

The ADF embodies the beliefs of its founders, harnessing the efforts of a cadre of right-wing groups with hundreds of millions of dollars at their disposal. All of these groups are influential members of the Right; they are pro-life and anti-gay, and their ultimate goal is to see the law and U.S. government enshrined with conservative Christian principles.

The relationship between ADF and it’s founders is one of mutual self-interest; ADF has access to the resources and networking of large organizations, who in turn are equipped with an endless supply of readily-available lawyers.

ADF’s strength goes beyond their budget due to their influence with well-funded religious-right groups.

Two issues common to each of ADF’s founders are their work against the right to abortion, and against the civil rights/liberties of gays and lesbians. They are particularly persistent in attacking attempts by homosexuals to have families, establish domestic partnerships or civil unions, or to be protected from discrimination in employment or housing.

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Alan Sears’ Background
Alan Sears was the Executive Director of the Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography under President Ronald Reagan. Sears was a federal prosecutor for former Secretary of Interior Don Hodel (former Christian Coalition President), and has produced several anti-gay works, such as The Homosexual Agenda in paperback, and Exposing the Homosexual Agenda on broadcast cassette.
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Quotes
“The Alliance Defense Fund is a servant organization that provides the resources that will keep the door open for the spread of the Gospel through the legal defense and advocacy of religious freedom, the sanctity of human life, and traditional family values.”
– The Alliance Defense Fund website, February 2006

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4457

Ahhhhhhhhh.... now I get it... it's one of that psycho Dobson's groups.... lol. Yep... a bunch of loonies with a 15 million dollar a year budget.

 

[007]

Nice Ad hominem attack there PR. But I guess thats all you can fall back on after you post obvious bullshit propaganda like this.

Nothing "ad hominem" about it. doniston and matskramer are perverts.

You on the other hand, you're just a bull shit artist.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4457

Ahhhhhhhhh.... now I get it... it's one of that psycho Dobson's groups.... lol. Yep... a bunch of loonies with a 15 million dollar a year budget.

Sure thing, but I bet you do not mind Moveon.Org or other LEFTWING groups, now do you?

As for Mattskramer, Larkinn is making the claim that what is in the article is somehow not true, it there for falls on HIM to prove they are made up.

Further Larkinn has made mindless attacks on me for no other reason then he doesn't like me, I love how he accuses others of those same kinds of attacks in other threads. And as i expected his defense is semantics.

The story has NUMEROUS specific examples that are anything but minor and would disqualify the claim they are infrequent. So much for my not having a critical comprehension ability, the one with an agenda would be Larkinn, he has accused the article of lying, provide some evidence. He has made personal attacks on me, provide some evidence. Larkinn is an ass. Go ahead and defend him and show us what you think is acceptable behavior on this board.

Ohh and Jillian, just because it is a right wing group does not automaticly make its claims wrong or lies. I notice when people dismiss Jewish groups our quick to point out that they are valid ON THE Information not the group.

 

[007]

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4457

Ahhhhhhhhh.... now I get it... it's one of that psycho Dobson's groups.... lol. Yep... a bunch of loonies with a 15 million dollar a year budget.

Suuuuurrreee... they're "Christian," they MUST be loonies right? Well, understandebly they are to a heathen such as yourself. ANY organization that supports "MORALS" HAS to be psycho... ppphhhtt.

You people never cease to amaze me as to how unwitting some of your responses are, even though they are predictable.

 

[mattskramer]

Nothing "ad hominem" about it. doniston and matskramer are perverts.

You on the other hand, you're just a bull shit artist.

LOL. Uh. Do you know what an Ad hominem is? It means to attack the person instead of the criticism that he is making. So you think I’m a pervert. I don’t care. Now are you going to debate the topic or my supposedly being a pervert?