The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms

[IM2]

Given the latest political move by this administration to make Afrikaners refugees, it is time to look at the policy that has been used to make claims about the oppression of Afrikaners. Afrikaners aren't being oppressed in South Africa. This has been a long-standing untruth told by Afrikaners or Africaans orgnizations trying to re-establish white minority rule, as well as American white supremacists. But here is an article that describes the rationale for land confiscation.

The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms​

• John Yang:
  
  There's an escalating dispute between President Trump and South Africa over a new land policy that he says discriminates against the country's white minority. On Truth Social yesterday, the president criticized what he called the terrible treatment of longtime farmers in the country and offered them a rapid pathway to U.S. citizenship.
  
  And in February, Mr. Trump signed an executive order halting almost all foreign aid to South Africa because of what it called racially discriminatory property confiscation. Ali Rogin spoke earlier with John Eligon. He's the Johannesburg bureau chief for the New York Times.
  
  
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  • Ali Rogin:
    
    John, thank you so much for being with us. First of all, tell us about this new land policy.
    
    John Eligon, The New York Times:
    
    So essentially what the government has done is they've passed a law that allows the government to take land without providing compensation to the people they take it from.
    
    Basically, the justification that the South African government gives for this is that we know through the long history of apartheid in South Africa that black people were essentially robbed of their land. So, they are really looking at ways to sort of make right some of the inequalities that happen during apartheid.
    
    Daniel Magaziner, Professor, Yale University:
    
    Historically, in fact, farmers have been quite oppressed in South Africa, but those are black farmers. Those are the people whose land was alienated over centuries of colonization and who in many cases worked as really poorly remunerated menial laborers in horrific conditions on white owned farms.
    
    And so in many ways, what he's doing is he is implicitly, not explicitly, but implicitly downplaying the reality of South African history.
    
    
    

    The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms

    There’s an escalating dispute between President Trump and South Africa over a new land policy that he says discriminates against the country’s white minority. On Truth Social Friday, Trump criticized what he called the “terrible” treatment of farmers and offered them a “rapid pathway” to U.S...

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[Correll]

Given the latest political move by this administration to make Afrikaners refugees, it is time to look at the policy that has been used to make claims about the oppression of Afrikaners. Afrikaners aren't being oppressed in South Africa. This has been a long-standing untruth told by Afrikaners or Africaans orgnizations trying to re-establish white minority rule, as well as American white supremacists. But here is an article that describes the rationale for land confiscation.

The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms​

• John Yang:
  
  There's an escalating dispute between President Trump and South Africa over a new land policy that he says discriminates against the country's white minority. On Truth Social yesterday, the president criticized what he called the terrible treatment of longtime farmers in the country and offered them a rapid pathway to U.S. citizenship.
  
  And in February, Mr. Trump signed an executive order halting almost all foreign aid to South Africa because of what it called racially discriminatory property confiscation. Ali Rogin spoke earlier with John Eligon. He's the Johannesburg bureau chief for the New York Times.
  
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  • Ali Rogin:
    
    John, thank you so much for being with us. First of all, tell us about this new land policy.
    
    John Eligon, The New York Times:
    
    So essentially what the government has done is they've passed a law that allows the government to take land without providing compensation to the people they take it from.
    
    Basically, the justification that the South African government gives for this is that we know through the long history of apartheid in South Africa that black people were essentially robbed of their land. So, they are really looking at ways to sort of make right some of the inequalities that happen during apartheid.
    
    Daniel Magaziner, Professor, Yale University:
    
    Historically, in fact, farmers have been quite oppressed in South Africa, but those are black farmers. Those are the people whose land was alienated over centuries of colonization and who in many cases worked as really poorly remunerated menial laborers in horrific conditions on white owned farms.
    
    And so in many ways, what he's doing is he is implicitly, not explicitly, but implicitly downplaying the reality of South African history.
    
    
    

    The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms

    There’s an escalating dispute between President Trump and South Africa over a new land policy that he says discriminates against the country’s white minority. On Truth Social Friday, Trump criticized what he called the “terrible” treatment of farmers and offered them a “rapid pathway” to U.S...

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Don't care.


Today, the blacks are oppressing the whites, and the whites are welcome here.

 

[Polishprince]

If the Afrikaner whites stole the land as IM contends, he should be glad they are leaving the country.
America needs people experienced in agriculture after all.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Given the latest political move by this administration to make Afrikaners refugees, it is time to look at the policy that has been used to make claims about the oppression of Afrikaners. Afrikaners aren't being oppressed in South Africa. This has been a long-standing untruth told by Afrikaners or Africaans orgnizations trying to re-establish white minority rule, as well as American white supremacists. But here is an article that describes the rationale for land confiscation.

The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms​

• John Yang:
  
  There's an escalating dispute between President Trump and South Africa over a new land policy that he says discriminates against the country's white minority. On Truth Social yesterday, the president criticized what he called the terrible treatment of longtime farmers in the country and offered them a rapid pathway to U.S. citizenship.
  
  And in February, Mr. Trump signed an executive order halting almost all foreign aid to South Africa because of what it called racially discriminatory property confiscation. Ali Rogin spoke earlier with John Eligon. He's the Johannesburg bureau chief for the New York Times.
  
  • 
    
    
    
  • Ali Rogin:
    
    John, thank you so much for being with us. First of all, tell us about this new land policy.
    
    John Eligon, The New York Times:
    
    So essentially what the government has done is they've passed a law that allows the government to take land without providing compensation to the people they take it from.
    
    Basically, the justification that the South African government gives for this is that we know through the long history of apartheid in South Africa that black people were essentially robbed of their land. So, they are really looking at ways to sort of make right some of the inequalities that happen during apartheid.
    
    Daniel Magaziner, Professor, Yale University:
    
    Historically, in fact, farmers have been quite oppressed in South Africa, but those are black farmers. Those are the people whose land was alienated over centuries of colonization and who in many cases worked as really poorly remunerated menial laborers in horrific conditions on white owned farms.
    
    And so in many ways, what he's doing is he is implicitly, not explicitly, but implicitly downplaying the reality of South African history.
    
    
    

    The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms

    There’s an escalating dispute between President Trump and South Africa over a new land policy that he says discriminates against the country’s white minority. On Truth Social Friday, Trump criticized what he called the “terrible” treatment of farmers and offered them a “rapid pathway” to U.S...

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Let the whites move here. Legally of course. And just let South Africa become the same as any of the other black run nations there. What used to be the crown jewel of Africa will become a ghetto, basically Somalia. And the blacks will have earned every bit of it.

 

[IM2]

Let the whites move here. Legally of course. And just let South Africa become the same as any of the other black run nations there. What used to be the crown jewel of Africa will become a ghetto, basically Somalia. And the blacks will have earned every bit of it.

The whites are what ruined the continent. Somalia is the result ur white interference. Whites colonize a nation, divide the people, which creates animosity, leave, and then civil wars result due to the division whites created.

Then you have drought caused by climate change that has affected the country. But to simple-minded, uneducated white trash, it is because of black leadership. Read something and earn instead of spewing ignorant, factless white racist nonsense.

Here is an example of one thing that helped create the problems in Somalia.

All RISE!

Tonights Lesson:

White Man, STFU about Africa because you don't know WTF you're talking about!

Somalia: How Colonial Powers drove a Country into Chaos​

Somalia had every reason to succeed: an advantageous geographical situation, oil, ores and only one religion and one language for the whole territory; a rare phenomenon in Africa. Somalia could have been a great power in the region. But the reality is completely different: famine, wars, lootings, piracy, bomb attacks. How did this country sink? Why has there been no Somali government for approximately twenty years? Which scandals stand behind those pirates who hijack our ships? In this new chapter of our series “Understanding the Muslim World”, Mohamed Hassan explains for us why and how imperialist forces have applied in Somalia a chaos theory.

How did piracy develop in Somalia? Who are those pirates?

Since 1990, there has been no government in Somalia. The country is in the hands of warlords. European and Asiatic ships took advantage of this chaotic situation and fished along the Somali coast without a license or respect for elementary rules. They did not observe the quotas in force in their own country to protect the species and they used fishing techniques –even bombs!- that created huge damages to the wealth of the Somali seas.

That’s not all! Taking also advantage of this lack of any political authority, European companies, with the help of the mafia, dumped nuclear wastes offshore Somali coasts. Europe knew of this but turned a blind eye as that solution presented a practical and economical advantage for the nuclear waste management. Yet, the 2005 Tsunami brought a big part of these wastes into the Somali lands. Unfamiliar diseases appeared for the first time among the population. This is the context in which the piracy mainly developed. Somali fishermen, who had primitive fishing techniques, were no more able to work. So they decided to protect themselves and their seas. This is exactly what the United States did during the civilian war against the British (1756-1763): with no naval forces, President George Washington made a deal with pirates to protect the wealth of the American seas.

No Somali state for almost twenty years! How is that possible?

This is the result of an American strategy. In 1990, the country was bruised by conflicts, famine and lootings; the state collapsed. Facing this situation, the United States, who discovered oil in Somalia a few years ago, launched Operation Restore Hope in 1992. For the first time, US marines intervened in Africa to take control of a country. It was also the first time that a military invasion was launched in the name of humanitarian interference.

The famous rice bag exhibited on a Somali beach by Bernard Kouchner?

Yes, everybody remembers those pictures carefully showcased. But the real reasons were strategic. An US State Department report recommended indeed that the United States must stay the lonely global superpower after the Soviet Bloc collapse. To reach that goal, the report advocated to occupy a hegemonic position in Africa, which enjoys a vast amount of raw materials.

However, Restore Hope will be a failure. There was even that Hollywood movie “Black Hawk Down”, with those poor G.I.’s “attacked by the bad Somali rebels”…

US soldiers were indeed defeated by a Somali nationalist resistance. Since then, American policy was to keep Somalia without any real government, even to balkanize it. This is the old British strategy, already applied in many places: setting weak and divided states in order to better rule them. That is why there has been no Somali state for almost twenty years. The United States has implemented a chaos theory in order to stop any Somali reconciliation and keep the country divided.

Somalia: How Colonial Powers drove a Country into Chaos - Global Research

Somalia had every reason to succeed: an advantageous geographical situation, oil, ores and only one religion and one language for the whole territory; a rare phenomenon in Africa. Somalia could have been a great power in the region. But the reality is completely different: famine, wars...

www.globalresearch.ca

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The whites are what ruined the continent. Somalia is the result ur white interference. Whites colonize a nation, divide the people, which creates animosity, leave, and then civil wars result due to the division whites created.

Then you have drought caused by climate change that has affected the country. But to simple-minded, uneducated white trash, it is because of black leadership. Read something and earn instead of spewing ignorant, factless white racist nonsense.

Here is an example of one thing that helped create the problems in Somalia.

All RISE!

Tonights Lesson:

White Man, STFU about Africa because you don't know WTF you're talking about!

Somalia: How Colonial Powers drove a Country into Chaos​

Somalia had every reason to succeed: an advantageous geographical situation, oil, ores and only one religion and one language for the whole territory; a rare phenomenon in Africa. Somalia could have been a great power in the region. But the reality is completely different: famine, wars, lootings, piracy, bomb attacks. How did this country sink? Why has there been no Somali government for approximately twenty years? Which scandals stand behind those pirates who hijack our ships? In this new chapter of our series “Understanding the Muslim World”, Mohamed Hassan explains for us why and how imperialist forces have applied in Somalia a chaos theory.

How did piracy develop in Somalia? Who are those pirates?

Since 1990, there has been no government in Somalia. The country is in the hands of warlords. European and Asiatic ships took advantage of this chaotic situation and fished along the Somali coast without a license or respect for elementary rules. They did not observe the quotas in force in their own country to protect the species and they used fishing techniques –even bombs!- that created huge damages to the wealth of the Somali seas.

That’s not all! Taking also advantage of this lack of any political authority, European companies, with the help of the mafia, dumped nuclear wastes offshore Somali coasts. Europe knew of this but turned a blind eye as that solution presented a practical and economical advantage for the nuclear waste management. Yet, the 2005 Tsunami brought a big part of these wastes into the Somali lands. Unfamiliar diseases appeared for the first time among the population. This is the context in which the piracy mainly developed. Somali fishermen, who had primitive fishing techniques, were no more able to work. So they decided to protect themselves and their seas. This is exactly what the United States did during the civilian war against the British (1756-1763): with no naval forces, President George Washington made a deal with pirates to protect the wealth of the American seas.

No Somali state for almost twenty years! How is that possible?

This is the result of an American strategy. In 1990, the country was bruised by conflicts, famine and lootings; the state collapsed. Facing this situation, the United States, who discovered oil in Somalia a few years ago, launched Operation Restore Hope in 1992. For the first time, US marines intervened in Africa to take control of a country. It was also the first time that a military invasion was launched in the name of humanitarian interference.

The famous rice bag exhibited on a Somali beach by Bernard Kouchner?

Yes, everybody remembers those pictures carefully showcased. But the real reasons were strategic. An US State Department report recommended indeed that the United States must stay the lonely global superpower after the Soviet Bloc collapse. To reach that goal, the report advocated to occupy a hegemonic position in Africa, which enjoys a vast amount of raw materials.

However, Restore Hope will be a failure. There was even that Hollywood movie “Black Hawk Down”, with those poor G.I.’s “attacked by the bad Somali rebels”…

US soldiers were indeed defeated by a Somali nationalist resistance. Since then, American policy was to keep Somalia without any real government, even to balkanize it. This is the old British strategy, already applied in many places: setting weak and divided states in order to better rule them. That is why there has been no Somali state for almost twenty years. The United States has implemented a chaos theory in order to stop any Somali reconciliation and keep the country divided.

Somalia: How Colonial Powers drove a Country into Chaos - Global Research

Somalia had every reason to succeed: an advantageous geographical situation, oil, ores and only one religion and one language for the whole territory; a rare phenomenon in Africa. Somalia could have been a great power in the region. But the reality is completely different: famine, wars...

www.globalresearch.ca

So no different than any black run country.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If the Afrikaner whites stole the land as IM contends, he should be glad they are leaving the country.
America needs people experienced in agriculture after all.

It would be worth restarting USAID to bring the white South Africans here to US Swing States!

 

[whoisit]

If the Afrikaner whites stole the land as IM contends, he should be glad they are leaving the country.
America needs people experienced in agriculture after all.

Long as they work for America and not areas owned by China and Cuba who between the two own much of our farm land.

A Cuban owns one million acres in Florida and grows sugar beets ,you may know the name, Florida Crystals. Desantis ran on closing him down but he lied. Although I do like most of Desantis policies, this ain't one of them.
Also bottling company's are destroying our springs, which just so happen to be "the largest concentration of natural springs on earth"! Swedish Nestles and US Coca cola are draining the springs to sell bottled water all over the earth!!!

 

[IM2]

So no different than any black run country.

Glad that you can admit the fact that whites have come in and fucke up black countries. There is hope for you after all.

 

[IM2]

If the Afrikaner whites stole the land as IM contends, he should be glad they are leaving the country.
America needs people experienced in agriculture after all.

They did stole the land and you're going to be shown that.

They should not be allowed here, given free land, and everything trump is giving them.

 

[Polishprince]

They did stole the land and you're going to be shown that.

They should not be allowed here, given free land, and everything trump is giving them.

Why shouldn't they be allowed in America then? They can't stay where they are at, they aren't welcome.

 

[JimH52]

Don't care.


Today, the blacks are oppressing the whites, and the whites are welcome here.

That is the story trump and musk tell and THEY NEVER LIE...RIGHT?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Glad that you can admit the fact that whites have come in and fucke up black countries. There is hope for you after all.

Whites improved every black country they went to. Built infrastructure, farms, economies, rule of law. It’s when it’s handed back to you when it all fails.

Have you ever seen a nice old area of town the whites lived in improve when blacks took it over? They always turn into ghettos. It’s the same with a country. South Africa has gone from the crown jewel of Africa to a ghetto. And it didn’t take long.

 

[irosie91]

The whites are what ruined the continent. Somalia is the result ur white interference. Whites colonize a nation, divide the people, which creates animosity, leave, and then civil wars result due to the division whites created.

Then you have drought caused by climate change that has affected the country. But to simple-minded, uneducated white trash, it is because of black leadership. Read something and earn instead of spewing ignorant, factless white racist nonsense.

Here is an example of one thing that helped create the problems in Somalia.

All RISE!

Tonights Lesson:

White Man, STFU about Africa because you don't know WTF you're talking about!

Somalia: How Colonial Powers drove a Country into Chaos​

Somalia had every reason to succeed: an advantageous geographical situation, oil, ores and only one religion and one language for the whole territory; a rare phenomenon in Africa. Somalia could have been a great power in the region. But the reality is completely different: famine, wars, lootings, piracy, bomb attacks. How did this country sink? Why has there been no Somali government for approximately twenty years? Which scandals stand behind those pirates who hijack our ships? In this new chapter of our series “Understanding the Muslim World”, Mohamed Hassan explains for us why and how imperialist forces have applied in Somalia a chaos theory.

How did piracy develop in Somalia? Who are those pirates?

Since 1990, there has been no government in Somalia. The country is in the hands of warlords. European and Asiatic ships took advantage of this chaotic situation and fished along the Somali coast without a license or respect for elementary rules. They did not observe the quotas in force in their own country to protect the species and they used fishing techniques –even bombs!- that created huge damages to the wealth of the Somali seas.

That’s not all! Taking also advantage of this lack of any political authority, European companies, with the help of the mafia, dumped nuclear wastes offshore Somali coasts. Europe knew of this but turned a blind eye as that solution presented a practical and economical advantage for the nuclear waste management. Yet, the 2005 Tsunami brought a big part of these wastes into the Somali lands. Unfamiliar diseases appeared for the first time among the population. This is the context in which the piracy mainly developed. Somali fishermen, who had primitive fishing techniques, were no more able to work. So they decided to protect themselves and their seas. This is exactly what the United States did during the civilian war against the British (1756-1763): with no naval forces, President George Washington made a deal with pirates to protect the wealth of the American seas.

No Somali state for almost twenty years! How is that possible?

This is the result of an American strategy. In 1990, the country was bruised by conflicts, famine and lootings; the state collapsed. Facing this situation, the United States, who discovered oil in Somalia a few years ago, launched Operation Restore Hope in 1992. For the first time, US marines intervened in Africa to take control of a country. It was also the first time that a military invasion was launched in the name of humanitarian interference.

The famous rice bag exhibited on a Somali beach by Bernard Kouchner?

Yes, everybody remembers those pictures carefully showcased. But the real reasons were strategic. An US State Department report recommended indeed that the United States must stay the lonely global superpower after the Soviet Bloc collapse. To reach that goal, the report advocated to occupy a hegemonic position in Africa, which enjoys a vast amount of raw materials.

However, Restore Hope will be a failure. There was even that Hollywood movie “Black Hawk Down”, with those poor G.I.’s “attacked by the bad Somali rebels”…

US soldiers were indeed defeated by a Somali nationalist resistance. Since then, American policy was to keep Somalia without any real government, even to balkanize it. This is the old British strategy, already applied in many places: setting weak and divided states in order to better rule them. That is why there has been no Somali state for almost twenty years. The United States has implemented a chaos theory in order to stop any Somali reconciliation and keep the country divided.

Somalia: How Colonial Powers drove a Country into Chaos - Global Research

Somalia had every reason to succeed: an advantageous geographical situation, oil, ores and only one religion and one language for the whole territory; a rare phenomenon in Africa. Somalia could have been a great power in the region. But the reality is completely different: famine, wars...

www.globalresearch.ca

try again----Somalia is a land that was INVADED by arabs who used it as a TRANSIT POST
for their slave industry and who IMPOSED ISLAM AND ARABIC---on the conquered land and
the people therein. It is a barbaric land historically and presently even worse

 

[IM2]

For decades, the Native Land Act of 1913 blocked Black South Africans from purchasing or renting land in designated regions.

The Natives Land Act of 1913

The history of White colonial land dispossession did not begin with the passing of the Native Land Act in 1913, it spans back to the expansion of Dutch colonial settlements in the Cape.Introduction The history of White colonial land dispossession did not begin with the passing of the Native Land...

www.sahistory.org.za

This is how whites got the land. And they enforced this by beatings, murders, and massacres. So then nobody wants to hear or read whites whining about white Afrikaners and some fake oppression. These people are the criminals Trump said he opposed when his punk --- talked about immigrants. So like I said, Trump is the apex race hustler, and he was elected because there are whites who are still hardcore racists. The ones lying about how such racism is a thing of the past and the racists of today.

 

[IM2]

Whites improved every black country they went to. Built infrastructure, farms, economies, rule of law. It’s when it’s handed back to you when it all fails.

Have you ever seen a nice old area of town the whites lived in improve when blacks took it over? They always turn into ghettos. It’s the same with a country. South Africa has gone from the crown jewel of Africa to a ghetto. And it didn’t take long.

No, they didn't. They fucked up Africa just like they fucked up India. I've seen black suburbs that are nicer than any white one you have seen. And I have seen l white poverty ridded rural shitholes that have never had a black person living there ever. So STFU with your racist bullshit white POS.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

For decades, the Native Land Act of 1913 blocked Black South Africans from purchasing or renting land in designated regions.

The Natives Land Act of 1913

The history of White colonial land dispossession did not begin with the passing of the Native Land Act in 1913, it spans back to the expansion of Dutch colonial settlements in the Cape.Introduction The history of White colonial land dispossession did not begin with the passing of the Native Land...

www.sahistory.org.za

This is how whites got the land. And they enforced this by beatings, murders, and massacres. So then nobody wants to hear or read whites whining about white Afrikaners and some fake oppression. These people are Trump said he opposed when his punk --- talked about immigrants. So like I said, Trump is the apex hustler, and he was elected because there are whites who are still hardcore racists. The ones lying about how such racism is a thing of the past and the racists of today.

Well then here’s your chance to prove us all wrong. The white farmers can come here and you can have all that land back, best of luck actually farming anything.

 

[IM2]

Well then here’s your chance to prove us all wrong. The white farmers can come here and you can have all that land back, best of luck actually farming anything.

Most of the farmers in South Africa have always been black.

 

[IM2]

The Group Areas Act of 1950​

Origins of the Group Areas Act

The GAA was one of many pieces of legislation used to control the lives of Indians, Coloureds, and Africans, in this instance by limiting property rights.

The Group Areas Act of 1950 | South African History Online

www.sahistory.org.za

 

[IM2]

The Glen Gray Act of 1894 restricted the ability for African men to own land in the Cape (Root & Wachira, 2009: 668). The Act also imposed a labour tax of ten shillings a year on land owned by Africans unless they could prove that they had been employed outside of their designated reserve area for at least three months (Wilson, 1953: 243).

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/20780389.1993.10417220