The GREAT SOCIALIST CALIFORNIA WELFARE STATE IS DYING

[Neubarth]

Alarming Title, but I like the ones that make you think.

Having lived in California off and on since 1958 when I was ten years old, I have seen it turn from a conservative state run by transplanted Okies
Okies, Dust Bowl Migrants from Oklahoma & the Plains on the city and county level to a state run by liberals who had no idea where the money was to come from for the grandiose Socialist schemes.

About a week ago California admitted that it had to cut more Billions off of its budget because the tax revenue simply was not there. As the unemployment continues to increase (Forget about the Federal numbers as they are all lies.), the revenue continues to fall and fall. Ironically most of the Socialist Welfare provisions are not being cut because the liberals have grandfathered many of them, so the liberals are cutting education funding to the school districts. That is so damn ironic, but it is a reality. Most of the money for sports will be cut next. No more high school football in many of the districts will be the norm rather than the exception. The exceptions will be the districts that still have Okies in charge, even if they are second or third generation.

My home town from ten on was Escondido. Okies ran everything. They were the mayors, the principals, the police, the small grocers, the small businessmen, and most of the coaches in the community. Escondido was known for fielding the hardest hitting teams in the Forties, Fifties and Sixties because the coaches insisted on that as the team trademark. Our schools won the regional championships as it was expected. I have traveled the country and, based upon my experience in attending high school football games from coast to coast, I always tell people that if I was blindfolded and taken to any part of the country to listen to a high school football game, I could always tell when I was in Texas or Oklahoma because of the impact that one would hear at the line of scrimmage.

Escondido High is on its way to another football championship again this year, but I have listened to their games, and they are not hitting at the snap of the ball like they used to. The Okie influence has finally worn off. Shame that. Those were damn good people.

Now, with all the liberals screwing up things, it is all going to hell. We need to rewrite the State Constitution to throw out all the recent "state constitution revised" mandated socialist programs. We simply can not afford them. The other forty nine states will have to take millions of Californians once we stop all the socialist welfare paid for by the state. The immigrants out of the state will not be as hardy as the Okies were coming into the state in the Thirties. We got some damn good hard working people who were of good breeding stock. I am sorry to tell you other states that we will be sending you a lot of people who only qualify as free loaders who think Socialism is a birth right. I think we will hold on to our Okies. We will need them. Damn Straight People.

 

[Limey]

I think attacking welfare expenditure is a jolly spiffing idea. Such expenditure is a clearcut example of economic waste, with income distributions and involuntary unemployment ensuring that government bureaucracy is required to maintain the physical efficiency of the workforce. Socialism, by enabling income distributions to adapt to supply and demand conditions, would actually reduce the need for that waste. Hate welfare? Join the socialists

 

[The Rabbi]

I think attacking welfare expenditure is a jolly spiffing idea. Such expenditure is a clearcut example of economic waste, with income distributions and involuntary unemployment ensuring that government bureaucracy is required to maintain the physical efficiency of the workforce. Socialism, by enabling income distributions to adapt to supply and demand conditions, would actually reduce the need for that waste. Hate welfare? Join the socialists

Thjats called replacing one form of welfare with another. It has worked so well in France we need it here too.
Now get the fuck back on ignore where you belong, dickhead.

 

[Limey]

Thjats called replacing one form of welfare with another. It has worked so well in France we need it here too.

France is liberal democratic. It certainly will use its welfare system in support of the inefficiency engineered by capitalism

 

[52ndStreet]

Alarming Title, but I like the ones that make you think.

Having lived in California off and on since 1958 when I was ten years old, I have seen it turn from a conservative state run by transplanted Okies
Okies, Dust Bowl Migrants from Oklahoma & the Plains on the city and county level to a state run by liberals who had no idea where the money was to come from for the grandiose Socialist schemes.

About a week ago California admitted that it had to cut more Billions off of its budget because the tax revenue simply was not there. As the unemployment continues to increase (Forget about the Federal numbers as they are all lies.), the revenue continues to fall and fall. Ironically most of the Socialist Welfare provisions are not being cut because the liberals have grandfathered many of them, so the liberals are cutting education funding to the school districts. That is so damn ironic, but it is a reality. Most of the money for sports will be cut next. No more high school football in many of the districts will be the norm rather than the exception. The exceptions will be the districts that still have Okies in charge, even if they are second or third generation.

My home town from ten on was Escondido. Okies ran everything. They were the mayors, the principals, the police, the small grocers, the small businessmen, and most of the coaches in the community. Escondido was known for fielding the hardest hitting teams in the Forties, Fifties and Sixties because the coaches insisted on that as the team trademark. Our schools won the regional championships as it was expected. I have traveled the country and, based upon my experience in attending high school football games from coast to coast, I always tell people that if I was blindfolded and taken to any part of the country to listen to a high school football game, I could always tell when I was in Texas or Oklahoma because of the impact that one would hear at the line of scrimmage.

Escondido High is on its way to another football championship again this year, but I have listened to their games, and they are not hitting at the snap of the ball like they used to. The Okie influence has finally worn off. Shame that. Those were damn good people.

Now, with all the liberals screwing up things, it is all going to hell. We need to rewrite the State Constitution to throw out all the recent "state constitution revised" mandated socialist programs. We simply can not afford them. The other forty nine states will have to take millions of Californians once we stop all the socialist welfare paid for by the state. The immigrants out of the state will not be as hardy as the Okies were coming into the state in the Thirties. We got some damn good hard working people who were of good breeding stock. I am sorry to tell you other states that we will be sending you a lot of people who only qualify as free loaders who think Socialism is a birth right. I think we will hold on to our Okies. We will need them. Damn Straight People.

Many decades of illegal aliens using a system, and not paying their taxes.
To many Prisons, California incarcerates more people than any other state.
To many Highways, and interstates. To much pollution.
To many people flooding the State for to many years, using state resources.
And a State government that did not take in enough taxes.
They need to institute a water tax, and a overall general purpose tax now!

 

[Neubarth]

Many decades of illegal aliens using a system, and not paying their taxes.
Too many Prisons, California incarcerates more people than any other state.
Too many Highways, and interstates. Too much pollution.
Too many people flooding the State for too many years, using state resources.
And a State government that did not take in enough taxes.
They need to institute a water tax, and a overall general purpose tax now!

California is already overtaxed. It is one of the most expensive states to live in. That is the reason why whole businesses are pulling up stakes and leaving for other states with less of a tax burden

The solution is not more taxation. IT IS LESS TAXATION!

 

[The Rabbi]

Many decades of illegal aliens using a system, and not paying their taxes.
Too many Prisons, California incarcerates more people than any other state.
Too many Highways, and interstates. Too much pollution.
Too many people flooding the State for too many years, using state resources.
And a State government that did not take in enough taxes.
They need to institute a water tax, and a overall general purpose tax now!

California is already overtaxed. It is one of the most expensive states to live in. That is the reason why whole businesses are pulling up stakes and leaving for other states with less of a tax burden

The solution is not more taxation. IT IS LESS TAXATION!

SOme solutions just seem obvious. I guess too obvious for politicians.

 

[Limey]

The solution is not more taxation. IT IS LESS TAXATION!

Only if you ignore the rationality of public good provision! The call for less tax becomes an example of the inconsistency of individual self-interests with the maximisation of economic activity

 

[Douger]

Psychic spies from China
Try to steal your mind's elation
Little girls from Sweden
Dream of silver screen quotations
And if you want these kind of dreams
It's Californication

It's the edge of the world
And all of western civilization
The sun may rise in the East
At least it settles in the final location
It's understood that Hollywood
sells Californication

Pay your surgeon very well
To break the spell of aging
Celebrity skin is this your chin
Or is that war your waging

[Chorus:]
First born unicorn
Hard core soft porn
Dream of Californication
Dream of Californication

Marry me girl be my fairy to the world
Be my very own constellation
A teenage bride with a baby inside
Getting high on information
And buy me a star on the boulevard
It's Californication

Space may be the final frontier
But it's made in a Hollywood basement
Cobain can you hear the spheres
Singing songs off station to station
And Alderon's not far away
It's Californication

Born and raised by those who praise
Control of population everybody's been there
and
I don't mean on vacation

[Chorus]

Destruction leads to a very rough road
But it also breeds creation
And earthquakes are to a girl's guitar
They're just another good vibration
And tidal waves couldn't save the world
From Californication

Pay your surgeon very well
To break the spell of aging
Sicker than the rest
There is no test
But this is what you're craving

 

[JW Frogen]

! The call for less tax becomes an example of the inconsistency of individual self-interests with the maximisation of economic activity

Or may I keep much of what I earned rather than pay you to live off what I earned.

 

[Limey]

Or may I keep much of what I earned rather than pay you to live off what I earned.

Public goods are essentially goods that, given non-excludability characteristics, we all benefit from. By demanding the underprovision of those goods, general economic well-being is harmed. At best, there is an increase in free riding behaviour. Buzzwording for theft!

 

[JW Frogen]

Or may I keep much of what I earned rather than pay you to live off what I earned.

Public goods are essentially goods that, given non-excludability characteristics, we all benefit from. By demanding the underprovision of those goods, general economic well-being is harmed. At best, there is an increase in free riding behaviour. Buzzwording for theft!

Goods come from incentive to produce them. We are primates, subject to dominance hiarchies, it is in our genes, and we will not produce much for the public if we can not be personally rewarded in relation to what we believe we have produced.

You can play all these lay dee da all resources and goods must be fair and equally allocated crap until the cows some home but you can not find any time in human history that has done it for any sustained period of time, and they won’t in future.

 

[Limey]

Goods come from incentive to produce them.

Given the characteristics of public goods, individual self-interest will lead to underprovision. Non-exhaustability, for example, ensures social desirability without provoking the required firm profitability.

You can play all these lay dee day all resources and goods must be fair and equal crap until the cows some home

Public goods aren't about equity. They're about a rational reaction to the market failures generated by the characteristics of goods. Its purely about economic efficiency

 

[JW Frogen]

What do you mean by "public goods"?

 

[Limey]

What do you mean by "public goods"?

They're goods that exhibit non-rivalry (i.e. consumption by me doesn't stop you from consuming) and non-excludability (i.e. I can't stop you from benefiting, encouraging free riding behaviour) characteristics. Please note that there is no such thing as a pure public good. Market failure is then about the extent of underprovision

 

[JW Frogen]

Give me some examples of public goods.

 

[Limey]

Give me some examples of public goods.

The classic examples include security, street lighting, roads etc etc etc. However, we also can factor in goods with public good characteristics (e.g. health care where, by increasing the quality of the workforce and reducing costs such as absenteeism, we all benefit from higher labour productivity)

 

[editec]

While I agree that California's economy was humming, and also that it's now in trouble, the reasons you imagine to explain why this has happened are a load of racist blather.

 

[Neubarth]

While I agree that California's economy was humming, and also that it's now in trouble, the reasons you imagine to explain why this has happened are a load of racist blather.

There is nothing racist about Okies and the hard nosed values they brought with them. Believe it or not, they come in all shapes and sizes. You on the other hand have exhibited yourself as a bigot with a post like that. Did you think that Okies were only white people? They were Indian, Hispanic, White and Black. I do not know of any Asian Okies; but I, as an historian of Mass Migrations of People have been looking for years and so far have not had confirmation of any Asians in the Oklahoma Diaspora.

When people with old fashioned values were the moral majority in charge in California this state was not a Socialist Welfare State. Once those values were lost (Just like the signature of a good football team with their hard hitting.), the state went to hell. Amazing how that works. It is the culture, not the color of one's skin that determines a lot of social values. I come from a mixed family (Black and White). My thirty plus children are of all races on the planet. I grew up in Mexico and have a prevailing Mexican Cultural value system. My first Fiancee' was of North African (Spanish Moorish) descent and was born in Mexico. She was one of the most beautiful women in the world and was quite dark.

You owe me a written apology on this forum. Your accusation is ludicrous.

 

[52ndStreet]

Many decades of illegal aliens using a system, and not paying their taxes.
Too many Prisons, California incarcerates more people than any other state.
Too many Highways, and interstates. Too much pollution.
Too many people flooding the State for too many years, using state resources.
And a State government that did not take in enough taxes.
They need to institute a water tax, and a overall general purpose tax now!

California is already overtaxed. It is one of the most expensive states to live in. That is the reason why whole businesses are pulling up stakes and leaving for other states with less of a tax burden

The solution is not more taxation. IT IS LESS TAXATION!

The state has a lack of money problem. The only way to raise state funds is to sell state Bonds, state securities, or to raise taxes. Its not businesses leaving the state because of higher taxes. California needs to implement new taxes in order to raise state revenue.