The great global warming fraud

Hafar1014 said:
AI and data centers have made renewable energy obsolete. America is building nuclear and going go fossil fuels. Solar farms are going broke and wind turbines have been canceled all over the country. Get out of the way of progress. The next industrial revolution is data centers and AI as driving force that will run over your dumb beliefs
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The dirty fuel enthusiasts inevitably fail to cite any scientific studies that support their dogma.

Theory aside, irrefutable progress is happening.
 
schmidlap said:
The dirty fuel enthusiasts inevitably fail to cite any scientific studies that support their dogma.

Theory aside, irrefutable progress is happening.
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Its over baby find another lost cause to believe in
 
schmidlap said:
I don't need to advocate for the progress in clean energy.

It's happening globally.

Your desire to empower Iran in perpetuity is doomed.
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We desire to empower the USA. We have far more energy resources than Iran ever will.

Your idiotic push for renewable energy sources, that aren't though....that DOES empower those crazy bastards....

So stop.
 
westwall said:
We desire to empower the USA. We have far more energy resources than Iran ever will.

Your idiotic push for renewable energy sources, that aren't though....that DOES empower those crazy bastards....

So stop.
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If it were not for lingering dependence on dirty fuels, Iran would not be wreaking havoc on the global economy.

Despite ideologically-hidebound science-deniers and enormous government subsidies to prop up coal, oil, and gas interests, the progress is irrefutable:

The United States is a clean energy powerhouse, leading in innovation, investment, and large-scale renewable projects. While fossil fuels still play a major role in the country’s energy mix, rapid advancements in wind, solar, and battery storage are pushing the U.S. toward a cleaner future.​
  • The U.S. has the second-largest installed wind capacity in the world, after China.
  • Solar power has doubled in just the last five years, now accounting for nearly 6% of electricity generation.
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schmidlap said:
If it were not for lingering dependence on dirty fuels, Iran would not be wreaking havoc on the global economy.

Despite ideologically-hidebound science-deniers and enormous government subsidies to prop up coal, oil, and gas interests, the progress is irrefutable:

The United States is a clean energy powerhouse, leading in innovation, investment, and large-scale renewable projects. While fossil fuels still play a major role in the country’s energy mix, rapid advancements in wind, solar, and battery storage are pushing the U.S. toward a cleaner future.​
  • The U.S. has the second-largest installed wind capacity in the world, after China.
  • Solar power has doubled in just the last five years, now accounting for nearly 6% of electricity generation.
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Too funny. If we stopped using fossil fuels today civilization would collapse and useless retards like you would die within days.

OTOH, if we eliminated all "green systems" today, no one would notice.
 
westwall said:
Too funny. If we stopped using fossil fuels today civilization would collapse and useless retards like you would die within days.

OTOH, if we eliminated all "green systems" today, no one would notice.
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You would be very foolish to advocate that we stop relying on dirty fuels today.

Be patient.

Progress is happening at an accelerating place, both internationally and domestically.
www.iea.org

Massive global growth of renewables to 2030 is set to match entire power capacity of major economies today, moving world closer to tripling goal - News - IEA

Massive global growth of renewables to 2030 is set to match entire power capacity of major economies today, moving world closer to tripling goal - News from the International Energy Agency
www.iea.org www.iea.org
 
schmidlap said:
You would be very foolish to advocate that we stop relying on dirty fuels today.

Be patient.

Progress is happening at an accelerating place, both internationally and domestically.
www.iea.org

Massive global growth of renewables to 2030 is set to match entire power capacity of major economies today, moving world closer to tripling goal - News - IEA

Massive global growth of renewables to 2030 is set to match entire power capacity of major economies today, moving world closer to tripling goal - News from the International Energy Agency
www.iea.org www.iea.org
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Nope. Green energy is slowing down. As more people figure out it's a huge fraud save in limited circumstances, they are abandoning it.
 
westwall said:
Nope. Green energy is slowing down. As more people figure out it's a huge fraud save in limited circumstances, they are abandoning it.
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Your fantasies are never documented by citing reliable sources, because there are none

Trump pulls them our of his butt, and his lackeys regard them as divine revelation. Reality differs. Progress is inexorable.

Transition to Renewable Energy​

The global energy landscape is undergoing a transformation driven by technological advancements and increasing concerns about climate change. Renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind, have become more cost-competitive, leading to a significant shift in investment towards clean energy technologies. For instance, the cost of solar energy has fallen by over 70% in the last decade, making it an attractive alternative to fossil fuels. numberanalytics.comnumberanalytics.com.​
 
schmidlap said:
Lash out at me for respecting the concurring data analysis of actual climatologists, but you are apparently impotent In citing any climatological studies that support your denial - in compliance with accepted scientific methodology.
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I've posted this elsewhere on this site, but I think that it's worth repeating.

Here's the thing about the climate change deniers of all the doom and gloom predictions that they've heard. BTW, they've heard a lot of them. It's just that the predictions haven't lined up anywhere close to reality. Here are some examples of dire predictions given out:

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

Now, how many predictions that don't materialize do we need before we start questioning the data sources of these predictions? Climatologists are the ones who are providing the "science" for these predictions. If their own climatology studies haven't led to real world results that's observable, THAT, to me, is the biggest refutation of the data analysis of these climatologists. Studies don't have to be done to refute their data analysis. Instead, the main question that needs to be asked & answered by these climatologists is "Why have all your previous predictions been wrong?"
 
schmidlap said:
Your fantasies are never documented by citing reliable sources, because there are none

Trump pulls them our of his butt, and his lackeys regard them as divine revelation. Reality differs. Progress is inexorable.

Transition to Renewable Energy​

The global energy landscape is undergoing a transformation driven by technological advancements and increasing concerns about climate change. Renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind, have become more cost-competitive, leading to a significant shift in investment towards clean energy technologies. For instance, the cost of solar energy has fallen by over 70% in the last decade, making it an attractive alternative to fossil fuels. numberanalytics.comnumberanalytics.com.​
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Oh noes! More urgency! More opinion pieces absent actual science.

Oh noes!
 
Robert W said:
More data rolls in. Consider climate. Is weather the same everywhere? You know it is not the same. Is earth small or large? Compared to countries and states and humans on the planet? It is very very large. Climate at the South pole is different than the climate at the North pole. States climates are different. So, for all those who are in a panic, calm down.

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Look, I'd love to discuss climate science with you, but, given the caliber of your comment, it doesn't appear you know much about the subject.
 
Rumpole said:
Look, I'd love to discuss climate science with you, but, given the caliber of your comment, it doesn't appear you know much about the subject.
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Nor do you considering every post of yours is opinion from AI BS.
 
PeanutGallery said:
I've posted this elsewhere on this site, but I think that it's worth repeating.

Here's the thing about the climate change deniers of all the doom and gloom predictions that they've heard. BTW, they've heard a lot of them. It's just that the predictions haven't lined up anywhere close to reality. Here are some examples of dire predictions given out:

1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

Now, how many predictions that don't materialize do we need before we start questioning the data sources of these predictions? Climatologists are the ones who are providing the "science" for these predictions. If their own climatology studies haven't led to real world results that's observable, THAT, to me, is the biggest refutation of the data analysis of these climatologists. Studies don't have to be done to refute their data analysis. Instead, the main question that needs to be asked & answered by these climatologists is "Why have all your previous predictions been wrong?"
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Let's start with the most obvious problem with this list: most of it has nothing to do with climate scientists. Paul Ehrlich was a population biologist whose predictions were criticized inside the scientific community at the time. Al Gore is a politician. Prince Charles is a prince. A UK Prime Minister is a politician. When your argument against climate science relies heavily on what politicians and a British royal said, you've already lost the plot. Holding climate scientists responsible for Al Gore's PowerPoint is like blaming your cardiologist because Dr. Oz gave bad advice.

The "scientists predicted an ice age in the 70s" entries are worth addressing directly because you really lean on them. This one gets recycled constantly in these climate debates and it was wrong when it started and it's still wrong. A 2008 review in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society went back and actually counted the peer-reviewed literature from that era and found warming predictions outnumbered cooling predictions roughly six to one even then. What happened was Newsweek ran a dramatic magazine story, it got lodged in the cultural memory of people who wanted to distrust climate science, and here we are fifty years later still citing a newsmagazine as if it were the scientific consensus. It wasn't.

Here's the part that should be embarrassing for this argument: two of the items on this list--ozone depletion and acid rain--are actually proof that environmental science works, not proof that it fails. Scientists said the ozone layer was being destroyed by CFCs. They were right. We banned CFCs through the Montreal Protocol and the ozone layer started recovering. Scientists said acid rain was killing lake ecosystems in the Northeast. They were right. The Clean Air Act amendments reduced sulfur dioxide emissions and the lakes recovered. And you literally linked the ozone data yourself, apparently without noticing that the data confirms the scientists were correct.

The Arctic ice predictions are a real case where the timing was often too aggressive--the ice-free Arctic summer hasn't happened yet. But here's the distinction that matters: getting the date wrong is not the same as getting the phenomenon wrong. Arctic sea ice has declined dramatically and is currently near record lows. The trend the scientists identified is real and measurable. If a doctor tells you that you'll develop serious complications from a condition within five years and it takes eight, you don't conclude the condition was fake.

The core predictions of mainstream climate science--not the fringe voices, not the journalists, not the politicians--have actually held up. The IPCC's first assessment in 1990 predicted roughly 0.15 to 0.3 degrees Celsius of warming per decade. That's roughly what we've observed. Arctic warming outpacing the global average: confirmed. Ocean acidification: occurring as predicted. Glaciers in retreat worldwide: confirmed. Sea level rise: happening, currently accelerating at around 3.7mm per year. The stuff the actual scientists said in actual peer-reviewed literature has largely been borne out. What hasn't always been borne out is the more dramatic version that journalists and activists translated it into for public consumption, and blaming scientists for that is a strange choice.

There's also a logical problem at the heart of this whole approach. If the standard is "some predictions were wrong, therefore distrust the entire field," then we should stop trusting weather forecasting because individual storm predictions miss, stop trusting medicine because prognoses are sometimes wrong, and stop trusting economics because recessions don't arrive on schedule. Nobody actually applies this standard universally. It gets applied specifically to climate science, specifically when predictions miss in the alarmist direction, and not at all when predictions of no problem turn out to be wrong--which they frequently are. That's not skepticism. That's a conclusion dressed up as a methodology.

And finally, a word on the sources. Several entries here link to Breitbart, Watts Up With That, and Real Climate Science. These are not scientific sources. Watts Up With That in particular has been studied and found to produce contrarian content that consistently diverges from the peer-reviewed literature. Citing them in a debate about whether to trust climate scientists is a little like citing the tobacco industry's internal research to question whether smoking causes cancer. The people telling you the scientists are always wrong have a very specific interest in you believing that, and it's worth asking what that interest is.
 
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schmidlap said:
Your fantasies are never documented by citing reliable sources, because there are none

Trump pulls them our of his butt, and his lackeys regard them as divine revelation. Reality differs. Progress is inexorable.

Transition to Renewable Energy​

The global energy landscape is undergoing a transformation driven by technological advancements and increasing concerns about climate change. Renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind, have become more cost-competitive, leading to a significant shift in investment towards clean energy technologies. For instance, the cost of solar energy has fallen by over 70% in the last decade, making it an attractive alternative to fossil fuels. numberanalytics.comnumberanalytics.com.​
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Wind and solar are dead as they cant meet demand. Climate change is a lie used to advance socialism. Renewable energy will wreck the economy. Its over baby
 
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