The great global warming fraud

"Clean energy" is the accepted term for energy sources that do not emit greenhouse gases,

Well then, that eliminates wind power, solar, and EV cars as NONE of them meet your definition of "clean energy" unless one lies to oneself and does not take into account the full scope of such energy from inception to dissolution, and rather just look at one narrow aspect of its use, calling any of them "clean" while not considering what goes into mining their raw materials, the manufacture of them, the maintenance and the waste disposal of them once they are broke and worn out.

All these new "clean" energies really do is shift industry away from oil and gas towards a new market with new companies and such, as well as merely shift where in the chain of creation the most pollution occurs.

I wonder what the Left's reaction would be to the proposal that we switch to clean energy, solar, wind, EV cars and the like, but the same companies already in the energy sector currently producing most of the oil and gas handle it?

I bet the Left would HATE that suggestion! Because their real goal is to put oil and gas out of business rather than create clean energy! The Left would rather go without clean energy, without solar and gas and EV electric rather than let the Oil/gas companies reap and control the technologies.

The Left simply want to cut Big Oil out of the energy profits by creating a new technology they control to steal away the money for themselves. It is about money and power, not saving the planet, which is just their Shtick.
 
Well then, that eliminates wind power, solar, and EV cars as NONE of them meet your definition of "clean energy" unless one lies to oneself and does not take into account the full scope of such energy from inception to dissolution, and rather just look at one narrow aspect of its use, calling any of them "clean" while not considering what goes into mining their raw materials, the manufacture of them, the maintenance and the waste disposal of them once they are broke and worn out.

All these new "clean" energies really do is shift industry away from oil and gas towards a new market with new companies and such, as well as merely shift where in the chain of creation the most pollution occurs.

I wonder what the Left's reaction would be to the proposal that we switch to clean energy, solar, wind, EV cars and the like, but the same companies already in the energy sector currently producing most of the oil and gas handle it?

I bet the Left would HATE that suggestion! Because their real goal is to put oil and gas out of business rather than create clean energy! The Left would rather go without clean energy, without solar and gas and EV electric rather than let the Oil/gas companies reap and control the technologies.

The Left simply want to cut Big Oil out of the energy profits by creating a new technology they control to steal away the money for themselves. It is about money and power, not saving the planet, which is just their Shtick.
Clean energy is me flipping them all off.
 
Well then, that eliminates wind power, solar, and EV cars as NONE of them meet your definition of "clean energy" unless one lies to oneself and does not take into account the full scope of such energy from inception to dissolution, and rather just look at one narrow aspect of its use, calling any of them "clean" while not considering what goes into mining their raw materials, the manufacture of them, the maintenance and the waste disposal of them once they are broke and worn out.

All these new "clean" energies really do is shift industry away from oil and gas towards a new market with new companies and such, as well as merely shift where in the chain of creation the most pollution occurs.

I wonder what the Left's reaction would be to the proposal that we switch to clean energy, solar, wind, EV cars and the like, but the same companies already in the energy sector currently producing most of the oil and gas handle it?

I bet the Left would HATE that suggestion! Because their real goal is to put oil and gas out of business rather than create clean energy! The Left would rather go without clean energy, without solar and gas and EV electric rather than let the Oil/gas companies reap and control the technologies.

The Left simply want to cut Big Oil out of the energy profits by creating a new technology they control to steal away the money for themselves. It is about money and power, not saving the planet, which is just their Shtick.
I don't concern myself with your "left" or any other ideological ilk in energy production. Texas, hardly a hotbed of progressive politics, is leading all other states in the transition to wind and solar as an apolitical, pragmatic matter. It still exploits its abundant fossil fuel resources, the demand for which won't disappear overnight.

Do conservatives in advanced democratic nations want to be controlled by Iran or Russia because of their energy dependence, despite their increasing self-reliance?

The global progress is a practical, pragmatic transformation, not an ideological one. Whale oil was largely replaced by kerosene as a fuel for lighting because it was cheaper and more readily accessible, not because liberals liked cetaceans and conservatives liked to kill them.

Dirty fuel profiteers should not need to be propped up by the American taxpayer.


 
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I don't concern myself with your "left" or any other ideological ilk in energy production.
Well, color me impressed. Not that I ever posessed the Left for it to be mine. Let me make a note of it in my book.

Texas, hardly a hotbed of progressive politics,
But certainly the focus of maximal leftwing interest and effort to convert.
 
You clearly are a smart 75-year-old man. Who persuaded you that climate that moves very slow, is a danger to the human race?
No one persuaded me — the data did. First, understand that I'm not an alarmist, let's make that clear. I'm more cautiously concerned. Global temperatures have risen about 1.2°C since pre-industrial times, with the rate accelerating to roughly 0.3°C per decade recently. That’s unusually fast compared to natural climate shifts in Earth’s history. This rapid warming is already driving measurable increases in extreme heat, heavier rainfall events, accelerating sea level rise, and Arctic ice loss. The danger isn’t that the climate changes, but that human-caused change is happening too quickly for many ecosystems and human systems to adapt smoothly. I follow the evidence from peer-reviewed science, not politicians or headlines.
 
Why are you worried about climate?
Robert, the concern isn't panic — it's pattern recognition. The Earth is warming faster than at any point in human history, and that warming is already driving more intense storms, longer droughts, rising seas, and shifting growing seasons. These aren't distant abstractions — they affect your food, water, insurance costs, and where people can safely live. The worry comes from the fact that the longer we wait to act, the harder and more expensive the fixes become. It's less about the planet "dying" and more about protecting a stable world that human civilization was built on.
 
Robert, the concern isn't panic — it's pattern recognition. The Earth is warming faster than at any point in human history, and that warming is already driving more intense storms, longer droughts, rising seas, and shifting growing seasons. These aren't distant abstractions — they affect your food, water, insurance costs, and where people can safely live. The worry comes from the fact that the longer we wait to act, the harder and more expensive the fixes become. It's less about the planet "dying" and more about protecting a stable world that human civilization was built on.
Why do so many expert climate scientists not say what you say. Why hasn't the IPCC agreed with your claims?

 
This rapid warming is already driving measurable increases in extreme heat, heavier rainfall events, accelerating sea level rise, and Arctic ice loss.
I would like to examine all of that. How do you account for the massive increase in Antarctic ice over most of that continent?

You said you are not an alarmist. I am not an alarmist. We should therefore agree.

How do you account for the massive cold spells?
 
It's less about the planet "dying" and more about protecting a stable world that human civilization was built on.
Explain your scheme to control climate? I would love to learn.

Oh and explain why at Death Valley, still the hottest area of Earth, the heat record is in 1913?
 


Robert, That Document Isn't Science. It's a Press Release with a Senator's Letterhead.

Let me be straight with you, because that's all I know how to do.

That PDF you linked? It's not a scientific rebuttal. It's an opposition research memo produced by the Republican minority staff of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee--James Inhofe's shop. The man who brought a snowball onto the Senate floor to "disprove" climate change. That's your source.

And here's the thing about the claims in it: they're not wrong because I say so. They're wrong because time proved them wrong.

The document leans heavily on a supposed "hiatus" in warming from 1998 to 2012. Sounds damning, right? Except cherry-picking your start date is the oldest trick in the book. You start at 1998, one of the most extreme El Niño years in recorded history, and of course the line looks flat. Every single decade since has been the hottest on record. That's not alarmism. That's a thermometer.

The document claims sea level rise hasn't accelerated. That paper is from the early 2000s. NASA's satellite data since then shows the rate has doubled since 2006. The document cites the IPCC selectively on droughts--quoting the part that walks back one earlier finding, while ignoring that the same report, and every report since, says future drought risk is worsening. That's not science. That's reading the label on one side of the bottle.

And "Climategate"? Eight independent investigations, including by the UK Parliament and the NSF, found no fraud. What Phil Jones actually meant by "hiding the decline" was a known technical issue with tree ring data after 1960--a documented methodological footnote that climate scientists had been open about. The scandal wasn't the science. The scandal was how the emails were spun.

Robert, you asked why expert scientists don't say what I say. I'm wondering where you got that idea, because they actually do. The IPCC Sixth Assessment Report--2021, the most comprehensive climate science document ever produced--states unequivocally that human activity has warmed the planet, that the impacts are already widespread, and that the window to limit the worst of it is closing. That is the consensus you asked about.
 
I would like to examine all of that. How do you account for the massive increase in Antarctic ice over most of that continent?

You said you are not an alarmist. I am not an alarmist. We should therefore agree.

How do you account for the massive cold spells?

You're right that I'm not an alarmist. I uphold AGW--anthropogenic global warming--and I try to follow the actual science carefully rather than running to the most dramatic headline. So let's do exactly that on both of your questions, because they deserve real answers, not dismissal.

On Antarctica: yes, there was a genuine, measurable mass gain from roughly 2021 to 2023--driven primarily by an unusual surge in precipitation, heavier snowfall accumulating on the surface. That's real. Scientists documented it. The recent ice mass accumulation was not due to reduced ice discharge--which actually continued to accelerate--but was driven by enhanced surface accumulation from increased precipitation. In other words, it snowed more. A lot more. And for a window of a few years, that snowfall outpaced the melt. That's the whole story Robert. That's what you're citing.

Here's what gets left out of that talking point: between 1979 and the end of 2024, the Antarctic Ice Sheet lost a total of nearly 4,900 gigatons of ice, contributing over 13 millimeters to global mean sea level rise--and losses dramatically increased over the period of the satellite record. A few wet years don't erase four decades of accelerating loss. And the complete disintegration of just four East Antarctic glaciers alone could potentially trigger a global mean sea level rise exceeding seven meters. That's not alarmism. That's physics.

Now, the cold spells. This one is actually the more interesting question, and I'll give you the honest answer: many climate scientists believe that global warming is changing the polar jet stream and polar vortex in ways that allow freezing air from the Arctic to intrude on warmer mid-latitude regions--meaning that even as the Earth warms on average, climate change may lead some places to see more extreme cold spells during winter.

So here's the paradox, and it's a real one: despite the rapid warming that is the cardinal signature of global climate change, especially in the Arctic where temperatures are rising much more than elsewhere, the United States and other regions of the Northern Hemisphere have experienced a conspicuous and increasingly frequent number of episodes of extremely cold winter weather over the past four decades. The February 2021 Texas freeze--the one that knocked out the power grid--was exactly this mechanism.

I'll also be straight with you where the science is genuinely unsettled: climate models do not fully agree on whether polar vortex disruptions will become more common as the planet continues to warm. That's honest. Cold snaps overall, though, are on average becoming less frequent and less intense as the planet warms--winters overall are milder than they were mid-20th century, and record-breaking cold events are becoming rarer.

So here's where we land, Robert: the Antarctic "gain" is a precipitation blip sitting on top of a multi-decade trend of accelerating ice loss. And extreme cold spells aren't evidence against warming--some research suggests they may actually be a consequence of it. A warmer Arctic destabilizes the very system that keeps Arctic air locked at the pole.

That's not alarming. That's just how the atmosphere works.
 
Explain your scheme to control climate? I would love to learn.

Oh and explain why at Death Valley, still the hottest area of Earth, the heat record is in 1913?
Robert, Nobody's Trying to "Control the Climate."

Nobody in any mainstream climate conversation is proposing to "control the climate." That's not the argument.. What I said was protect the stability of the climate system human civilization was built on. Those are not the same thing. One is a Bond villain scheme. The other is basic risk management--the same kind you'd apply to a levee, a building code, or an insurance policy.

The actual proposals on the table aren't secret or exotic. They're market-based mechanisms that even conservatives have endorsed for decades: a simple price on carbon, applied directly and equally across the whole economy, avoids the distortions of top-down schemes and addresses the problem cost-effectively. That's not from a climate activist--that's the Tax Foundation. As of 2024, 37 carbon tax programs have been implemented across the world. This isn't theory. It's already running. The goal isn't to control the climate. It's to stop deliberately destabilizing it.

Now. Death Valley, 1913. Robert, I have to say--you picked a fascinating example, because the science here is going to surprise you.

The 1913 Death Valley record has been questioned by researchers going back decades, and a 2026 paper published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society argues the first two weeks of July 1913 were "spuriously hot" and that some shelter readings in the early years were likely replaced with non-standard measurements. The man who logged that 134°F reading was a "colorful character" named Oscar Denton, foreman at the Greenland Ranch station, using non-approved equipment.

Here's the tell: none of the other weather stations within a 150-mile radius posted unusually high readings during that same period--and Death Valley hasn't seen a single 130-degree day in the 100-plus years since. One statistical analysis estimated that such an event would occur only once every 650 years under Death Valley's known climate patterns.

The researchers' conclusion? The actual temperature that day was likely around 120°F--14 degrees cooler than what was recorded.

So when you ask why the record still stands from 1913--the answer, increasingly, is that it probably shouldn't. And here's the kicker: Death Valley set temperature records again in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024--but the likely-fraudulent 1913 reading has obscured that development by making the recent records look like they fell short.

Robert, the 1913 record isn't evidence that it was hotter back then. It's evidence that a ranch hand with questionable equipment may have padded his numbers--and that the actual modern record probably belongs to right now.

That's not me controlling the climate. That's me reading the thermometer.
 
Robert, Nobody's Trying to "Control the Climate."

Nobody in any mainstream climate conversation is proposing to "control the climate." That's not the argument.. What I said was protect the stability of the climate system human civilization was built on. Those are not the same thing. One is a Bond villain scheme. The other is basic risk management--the same kind you'd apply to a levee, a building code, or an insurance policy.

The actual proposals on the table aren't secret or exotic. They're market-based mechanisms that even conservatives have endorsed for decades: a simple price on carbon, applied directly and equally across the whole economy, avoids the distortions of top-down schemes and addresses the problem cost-effectively. That's not from a climate activist--that's the Tax Foundation. As of 2024, 37 carbon tax programs have been implemented across the world. This isn't theory. It's already running. The goal isn't to control the climate. It's to stop deliberately destabilizing it.

Now. Death Valley, 1913. Robert, I have to say--you picked a fascinating example, because the science here is going to surprise you.

The 1913 Death Valley record has been questioned by researchers going back decades, and a 2026 paper published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society argues the first two weeks of July 1913 were "spuriously hot" and that some shelter readings in the early years were likely replaced with non-standard measurements. The man who logged that 134°F reading was a "colorful character" named Oscar Denton, foreman at the Greenland Ranch station, using non-approved equipment.

Here's the tell: none of the other weather stations within a 150-mile radius posted unusually high readings during that same period--and Death Valley hasn't seen a single 130-degree day in the 100-plus years since. One statistical analysis estimated that such an event would occur only once every 650 years under Death Valley's known climate patterns.

The researchers' conclusion? The actual temperature that day was likely around 120°F--14 degrees cooler than what was recorded.

So when you ask why the record still stands from 1913--the answer, increasingly, is that it probably shouldn't. And here's the kicker: Death Valley set temperature records again in 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024--but the likely-fraudulent 1913 reading has obscured that development by making the recent records look like they fell short.

Robert, the 1913 record isn't evidence that it was hotter back then. It's evidence that a ranch hand with questionable equipment may have padded his numbers--and that the actual modern record probably belongs to right now.

That's not me controlling the climate. That's me reading the thermometer.
Well, you outed yourself when you call for a carbon tax. Carbon is a solid whereas Carbon Dioxide is a gas. And you would increase costs globally no doubt trying to control climate.
 
You're right that I'm not an alarmist. I uphold AGW--anthropogenic global warming--and I try to follow the actual science carefully rather than running to the most dramatic headline. So let's do exactly that on both of your questions, because they deserve real answers, not dismissal.

On Antarctica: yes, there was a genuine, measurable mass gain from roughly 2021 to 2023--driven primarily by an unusual surge in precipitation, heavier snowfall accumulating on the surface. That's real. Scientists documented it. The recent ice mass accumulation was not due to reduced ice discharge--which actually continued to accelerate--but was driven by enhanced surface accumulation from increased precipitation. In other words, it snowed more. A lot more. And for a window of a few years, that snowfall outpaced the melt. That's the whole story Robert. That's what you're citing.

Here's what gets left out of that talking point: between 1979 and the end of 2024, the Antarctic Ice Sheet lost a total of nearly 4,900 gigatons of ice, contributing over 13 millimeters to global mean sea level rise--and losses dramatically increased over the period of the satellite record. A few wet years don't erase four decades of accelerating loss. And the complete disintegration of just four East Antarctic glaciers alone could potentially trigger a global mean sea level rise exceeding seven meters. That's not alarmism. That's physics.

Now, the cold spells. This one is actually the more interesting question, and I'll give you the honest answer: many climate scientists believe that global warming is changing the polar jet stream and polar vortex in ways that allow freezing air from the Arctic to intrude on warmer mid-latitude regions--meaning that even as the Earth warms on average, climate change may lead some places to see more extreme cold spells during winter.

So here's the paradox, and it's a real one: despite the rapid warming that is the cardinal signature of global climate change, especially in the Arctic where temperatures are rising much more than elsewhere, the United States and other regions of the Northern Hemisphere have experienced a conspicuous and increasingly frequent number of episodes of extremely cold winter weather over the past four decades. The February 2021 Texas freeze--the one that knocked out the power grid--was exactly this mechanism.

I'll also be straight with you where the science is genuinely unsettled: climate models do not fully agree on whether polar vortex disruptions will become more common as the planet continues to warm. That's honest. Cold snaps overall, though, are on average becoming less frequent and less intense as the planet warms--winters overall are milder than they were mid-20th century, and record-breaking cold events are becoming rarer.

So here's where we land, Robert: the Antarctic "gain" is a precipitation blip sitting on top of a multi-decade trend of accelerating ice loss. And extreme cold spells aren't evidence against warming--some research suggests they may actually be a consequence of it. A warmer Arctic destabilizes the very system that keeps Arctic air locked at the pole.

That's not alarming. That's just how the atmosphere works.
Why is your sig line not based on facts?

I happen to put a lot more trust in Dr. Richard Lindzen, Dr. William Happer and plenty of other climate scientists. You however present lucid arguments framed to make your presentation seem factual. You try to walk the tight rope, and I do see the flaws. Such as your claim the temperature at Death Valley in 1913 is bogus. Were it bogus, it would not still be the recognized record temperatures.
 
You're right that I'm not an alarmist. I uphold AGW--anthropogenic global warming--and I try to follow the actual science carefully rather than running to the most dramatic headline. So let's do exactly that on both of your questions, because they deserve real answers, not dismissal.

On Antarctica: yes, there was a genuine, measurable mass gain from roughly 2021 to 2023--driven primarily by an unusual surge in precipitation, heavier snowfall accumulating on the surface. That's real. Scientists documented it. The recent ice mass accumulation was not due to reduced ice discharge--which actually continued to accelerate--but was driven by enhanced surface accumulation from increased precipitation. In other words, it snowed more. A lot more. And for a window of a few years, that snowfall outpaced the melt. That's the whole story Robert. That's what you're citing.

Here's what gets left out of that talking point: between 1979 and the end of 2024, the Antarctic Ice Sheet lost a total of nearly 4,900 gigatons of ice, contributing over 13 millimeters to global mean sea level rise--and losses dramatically increased over the period of the satellite record. A few wet years don't erase four decades of accelerating loss. And the complete disintegration of just four East Antarctic glaciers alone could potentially trigger a global mean sea level rise exceeding seven meters. That's not alarmism. That's physics.

Now, the cold spells. This one is actually the more interesting question, and I'll give you the honest answer: many climate scientists believe that global warming is changing the polar jet stream and polar vortex in ways that allow freezing air from the Arctic to intrude on warmer mid-latitude regions--meaning that even as the Earth warms on average, climate change may lead some places to see more extreme cold spells during winter.

So here's the paradox, and it's a real one: despite the rapid warming that is the cardinal signature of global climate change, especially in the Arctic where temperatures are rising much more than elsewhere, the United States and other regions of the Northern Hemisphere have experienced a conspicuous and increasingly frequent number of episodes of extremely cold winter weather over the past four decades. The February 2021 Texas freeze--the one that knocked out the power grid--was exactly this mechanism.

I'll also be straight with you where the science is genuinely unsettled: climate models do not fully agree on whether polar vortex disruptions will become more common as the planet continues to warm. That's honest. Cold snaps overall, though, are on average becoming less frequent and less intense as the planet warms--winters overall are milder than they were mid-20th century, and record-breaking cold events are becoming rarer.

So here's where we land, Robert: the Antarctic "gain" is a precipitation blip sitting on top of a multi-decade trend of accelerating ice loss. And extreme cold spells aren't evidence against warming--some research suggests they may actually be a consequence of it. A warmer Arctic destabilizes the very system that keeps Arctic air locked at the pole.

That's not alarming. That's just how the atmosphere works.




Antarctica has grown a new layer of ice for 40 million years. That's how it grew to its current size. The ice cores prove it.


While there is the possibility of a giant iceberg calving event that would actually reduce AA's total ice for a 12 month span, we have never observed that, and hence any statement other than this is a 100% pure lie


Antarctica has grown ice and increased its amount of ice every year for millions of years.
 
Antarctica has grown a new layer of ice for 40 million years. That's how it grew to its current size. The ice cores prove it.
This is correct, as far as it goes. Antarctica did build its ice sheet through annual accumulation over roughly 34 million years, and ice cores do document those layers. That geological history is not in dispute.

But here's the logical error: the mechanism that built the ice sheet over millions of years in a cooler climate tells you nothing about what the net mass balance is doing right now, under current ocean and atmospheric temperatures. Past accumulation is not a guarantee of present accumulation. A savings account that grew for 40 years doesn't prove the balance is still growing today -- you have to look at the current statement.

For current Antarctic mass balance, you don't use ice cores. You use satellite gravimetry -- direct measurement of changes in Earth's gravitational pull caused by shifting mass. And that data is unambiguous:

NASA's GRACE and GRACE-FO satellites show that between 2002 and 2025, Antarctica shed approximately 135 gigatons of ice per year, contributing 0.4 millimeters per year to global sea level rise. East Antarctica did see modest mass gain from increased snowfall -- but that gain is more than offset by significant ice mass loss from the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

Prior to 2012, Antarctica was already losing 76 billion tons of ice annually. Between 2012 and 2017, that rate tripled to 219 billion tons per year.

The ice cores prove how Antarctica got big. GRACE proves it is now shrinking. Both are data. They just answer different questions
While there is the possibility of a giant iceberg calving event that would actually reduce AA's total ice for a 12 month span, we have never observed that,
This is simply and demonstrably false. The observations are extensive, satellite-documented, and published in peer-reviewed journals.

In 2023, Antarctica's Hektoria Glacier underwent what scientists describe as the most rapid retreat ever recorded in modern times. In just two months, nearly half of the glacier broke apart and disappeared -- losing about 8 kilometers of ice in 60 days. The event was reconstructed in detail using frequent satellite observations and seismic instruments that detected glacier earthquakes during the rapid retreat. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260226042454.htm

Thwaites Glacier -- Earth's widest glacier -- is already losing ice more than five times faster than it was in the 1990s, and has been thinning and accelerating for decades, losing more ice to the ocean than it gains from snowfall. https://phys.org/news/2026-03-thwaites-glacier-rival-entire-antarctic.html

As of 2026, marine geophysicist Robert Larter of the British Antarctic Survey -- who runs the U.K. arm of the International Thwaites Glacier Collaboration -- states that Thwaites' eastern ice shelf is "poised to disintegrate" and will very likely break up in 2026. https://www.sciencefocus.com/planet-earth/doomsday-glacier-melting-thwaites-antarctica

West Antarctica has been losing an average of 82 billion tonnes of ice each year for the last three decades, according to satellite observations
and hence any statement other than this is a 100% pure lie
The irony here is that the claim inverts reality. The actual "100% pure lie" would be asserting that no net ice loss has been observed when NASA, ESA, NOAA, and multiple independent research institutions have been measuring it continuously since 2002 using three independent methods: satellite gravimetry (GRACE/GRACE-FO), satellite radar altimetry (CryoSat-2, Sentinel-6), and in-situ measurements.

GRACE/GRACE-FO data spanning 2002–2024 show a continental mass balance that is definitively negative, driven overwhelmingly by dramatic ice-mass loss in West Antarctica -- particularly in the Amundsen Sea Embayment. https://isprs-archives.copernicus.o...4/isprs-archives-XLVIII-2-W6-2024-51-2024.pdf

Even in East Antarctica, where snowfall has produced some mass gain, NASA scientists note that gain is "more than offset by the enormous increase in mass loss seen in the last two decades on other parts of the continent." GRACE, GRACE-FO Satellite Data Track Ice Loss at the Poles – GRACE-FO

The "Antarctica is gaining ice" argument relies on confusing sea ice extent (floating ocean ice, which doesn't affect sea level and fluctuates seasonally) with land ice mass (glaciers and ice sheets, which do affect sea level). Those are two different things. The land ice mass balance is unambiguously negative and has been for at least two decades -- not because of "a calving event we've never observed," but because of continuous, measured, accelerating ice loss from outlet glaciers into warming ocean water.
Antarctica has grown ice and increased its amount of ice every year for millions of years.
Exactly right -- and that's precisely what makes what's happening now so significant. For millions of years, the climate system was stable enough that Antarctica accumulated ice every single year without exception. That was the baseline. That was normal.

The fact that we have now broken that multi-million-year streak -- measurably, continuously, for over two decades -- is not a minor footnote. It's the whole argument for AGW in a single data point. What force is powerful enough to reverse a 34-million-year trend? It isn't natural variability, which operated within that trend for millions of years without reversing it. It's a rapid, novel forcing -- specifically the human-caused greenhouse effect -- that has warmed the deep ocean water undercutting West Antarctic glaciers faster than the system can compensate.

You just made the case for anthropogenic global warming while trying to argue against it.
 
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And that data is


fudged FRAUD outed as such by the reality of the situation, that the ice grew and keeps growing... has for 40 million years.




observations are extensive, satellite-documented, and published in peer-reviewed journals.


fudged fraud and we paid for it





human-caused greenhouse effect


is 100% refuted by the actual unFudged satellite and balloon data and surface air pressure







Let me ask you this. You "believe" Antarctica lost ice despite growing a new ice layer over the entire continent. How? If the entire continent got thicker, the only possible explanation would be icebergs, since AA has no liquid water.... do you realize how ridiculous that claim is?
 
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