Zone1 The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....

[Trickster]

No, I can’t speak to range but most of her songs are just mid range.
Nothing to make you say WOW
Nothing to make you say…..Nobody could sing that song like Taylor

Pleasant but average

"Average" is just not the correct word here.

She is massively talented and would not be around past 'Fearless' if she was "average".

 

[rightwinger]

"Average" is just not the correct word here.

She is massively talented and would not be around past 'Fearless' if she was "average".

Hey, if you enjoy her
Good for you…I wish you well

Just saying I have heard much better

 

[Trickster]

Hey, if you enjoy her
Good for you…I wish you well

Just saying I have heard much better

Don't make us call our army and attack you with friendship bracelets. Choose your words wisely.

 

[Meriweather]

Now you are just trying to obfuscate with this "translation excuse" religious people always use. Lust in the Biblical sense refers to "intense sexual desire" as something bad because it leads to other"bad things" like "fornication" (gasp).

The Abrahamic faiths just hate sex.

Not at all, just the opposite in fact. They recognize the mightiness of sex. Think about it. Every other organ in the human body is about that single body in which it dwells. Sexual organs need another of the opposite sex to fulfill their intended purpose. We are meant to come together. For a purpose. Read through Biblical and historical stories. Communities, nations thrived through discipline, fell through lack of discipline, especially self-discipline. Lack of sexual discipline in the community or nation often led to disaster for the many. That speaks of the power of sex and the call to remember the true purpose of sex.

Then why didn't God just say rape is a capital sin? No. "He" listed "lust" as one because desire and pleasure are bad because Christianity wants you to be miserable.

Actually, God wants to prevent misery. Can sex lead to misery? Early man learned that indeed it can. Remember the stories of the Iliad and the Odyssey?

 

[Donald H]

Look, I don't pretend to know and understand the entire Bible but I definitely know it's general story is true. Maybe we should create a thread for that discussion.

You could do that. Let me know what you're going to name it?

Faith?

 

[Donald H]

Not done yet, Einstein wanted a model to explain the entire universe!
By 1917, he had devised a cosmological model based on what was known at the time by astronomers.

"[A cosmological constant was] the value of the energy density of the vacuum of space. It was originally introduced by Albert Einstein in 1917 as an addition to his theory of general relativity to "hold back gravity" and achieve a static universe, which was the accepted view at the time."
Cosmological constant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




At that time, Einstein had a view of a universe that was constant and static.

10. What changed is view?

The "red shift," and the idea of the Big Bang. Light is based on the electromagnetic field. It is due to the energy of the atoms, released as electrons move between orbits. Each atom has a unique spectral signature, a distinctive electromagnetic frequency. Therefore the light that comes to us from space reveals the composition of distant galaxies. It was found that the frequency of the hydrogen atoms of these galaxies was shifted to the red part of the spectrum.

In 1912, Vesto Slipher was the first to observe the shift of spectral lines of galaxies, making him the discoverer of galactic redshifts…. Edwin Hubble was generally incorrectly credited with discovering the redshift of galaxies.


a. Why?

For the same reason that the pitch of a police siren is changed as the police car disappears down the street: the Doppler Effect, the waves carrying the sound is stretched by the speeding car. That is why the red shift indicates that the galaxy in question is receding! The universe is expanding. Thus, the reasoning behind the Big Bang.
Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion," ch.4



b. Get it? All the lines converge into…..the beginning! This presents a problem if one is tempted to believe in a universe with no beginning and no ending.
The Big Bang, therefore, suggests a universe that is finite in time. There was no time before the Big Bang.
Was there a time before the big bang? - Curiosity


Einstein got it.
"...when Einstein began to apply his theory to the structure of the universe, he was dismayed to find that it predicted either an expanding or contracting universe--something entirely incompatible with the prevailing notion of a static universe. In what he would later call "the greatest blunder of my life," ..."
Expanding Universe

See De Grasse Tyson's recent message on Einstein got it wrong.

 

[Donald H]

"all of Genesis is contradiction of modern science's facts."


Amazing how ignorant you are.


Genesis Correlates With Modern Science

1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.”

Then whover invented the whole idea got the order wrong and says that the god created the earth before light. Duhhhhhh!

 

[Donald H]

Your understanding of Genesis differs from mine.

My understanding of Genesis is tailored to match yours, when I'm talking to you. Much the same as we can find agreement in the bibles! When talking to polichicy, my understanding is suited to match the literal truth, and she won't ever acknowledge that. So she just spams the discussion with multiple posts that could be said in just one.

 

[lg325]

How does one separate their religious moral beliefs from decisions made in public life?

 

[Donald H]

How does one separate their religious moral beliefs from decisions made in public life?

Moral beliefs aren't religious. There are dozens of religious beliefs that are immoral.

We could begin with keeping slaves. But if that doesn't ring a bell with Americans then we could talk about child abuse on telling them supernatural lies.

 

[Donald H]

God is sometimes just clumsy, but more often God is just a troll.

Clumsy is an apt term for the god.

But how could the bible writers have known that they were writing nonsense that a modern world would know is nonsense. Hence, modern religion has clearly hinted at throwing out all of Genesis.

 

[lg325]

I have always seen the commonality of science and the teachings in Genesis.

 

[Donald H]

I have always seen the commonality of science and the teachings in Genesis.

There could possibly be something the two have in common?

If you were going to mention the 'big bang' theory for the beginning of the universe then you should have said so a year ago.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You seem to have a bit of a Racist relationship with Moslems .
I think you will find that the inhumanities suffered by the Algerians at the hands of the French were as bad as anything imaginable .


Terms like Communists / Terrorists etc miss the truth by a million miles .
It's more like terrorised victims being turned into psychopaths and simply demanding terrible revenge .

Critical Humanoid Theory

The Algerians were religiously inspired butchering pirates for centuries before the French put an end to that. They sold their female captives to harems. Some of those women were Jewish, which is why you approve.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Remember Zeus in Greek Mythology and actually all the other mythological gods and goddesses. They made their presence known with lightning destroying cities. God's presence however, was different. Yes, a bush was on fire, but it wasn't consumed or damaged. After it was over, it was like God had never been there.

God's work with is within us; it's of a spiritual nature, not physical. It often seems that any physical illness must be caused solely by spiritual upheaval in order for prayer to work its healing power. In addition, when one has physical illness, that is also the time when spiritual healing is needed as well.

Christofascists Want to Throw Us into the Warm and Fuzzy Fire

All this touchy-feely pose covering up your covens' inevitable history of totalitarian tyranny. Pretending that's not the way you really are is the Original Sin. We're even told that the Nazislami jihad is really about self-improvement and doesn't turn people into thrill-killing religious fanatics.

 

[PoliticalChic]

See De Grasse Tyson's recent message on Einstein got it wrong.

You mean the fool who demands men play in women's sports?


Hubble got it right, oaf......an expandidng universe means there was a beginning.

Exactly what Genesis said.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Then whover invented the whole idea got the order wrong and says that the god created the earth before light. Duhhhhhh!

What is truly astounding is how closely the biblical version of events parallels what modern science believes.

Now...about the origin of the universe.....and the fact that modern science now accepts the very same order of events as Genesis.....

1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.

a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.



2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.


a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry landEarth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it wasgood.


b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.


Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….



3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.


a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth



4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’


Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’


Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.

a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Redirect


b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf

....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.

How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?

That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?


What are the odds?



5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.


a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.


b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.


6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?

Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?


7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.
See Parker's "The Genesis Enigma"



The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.


Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Would I be correct that you are a government school grad?


Ask me how I know that.

The RichKid Reich owns the GumMint and its schools. No matter how expensive the prep schools are, it can't make stupid HeirHeads smart. Dumbo Dubya is a typical example of that.

Since their brats couldn't win a race on natural ability or expensive education, they could win by mentally crippling those who attended their government's schools.

 

[Donald H]

You mean the fool who demands men play in women's sports?


Hubble got it right, oaf......an expandidng universe means there was a beginning.

Exactly what Genesis said.

JWST just got it righter than Hubble.

Science (Hubble) never established a beginning.

Behave politely or we're finished.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The RichKid Reich owns the GumMint and its schools. No matter how expensive the prep schools are, it can't make stupid HeirHeads smart. Dumbo Dubya is a typical example of that.

Since their brats couldn't win a race on natural ability or expensive education, they could win by mentally crippling those who attended their government's schools.

I'm not a fan of government schools.
We're a homeschool family.