Zone1 The Great Apostasy

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The Great Apostasy​

Following the death of Jesus Christ, wicked people persecuted and killed many Church members. Other Church members drifted from the principles taught by Jesus Christ and His Apostles. The Apostles were killed, and priesthood authority—including the keys to direct and receive revelation for the Church—was taken from the earth. Because the Church was no longer led by priesthood authority, error crept into Church teachings. Good people and much truth remained, but the gospel as established by Jesus Christ was lost. This period is called the Great Apostasy.

With the death of the Apostles of Jesus Christ, the truth was lost once again.

This apostasy resulted in the formation of many churches with conflicting teachings. During this time, many men and women sought the truth, but they were unable to find it. Many good people believed in God and Jesus Christ and tried to understand and teach truth, but they did not have the full gospel or priesthood authority. As a result, each generation inherited a state of apostasy as people were influenced by what previous generations passed on, including changes to Christ’s gospel.

God knew there would be an apostasy. Through an Old Testament prophet, He said:

“Behold, the days come … that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

“And [people] shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.”

Amos 8:11–12

Some inspired people, such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, recognized that practices and doctrines had been changed or lost. They tried to reform the churches to which they belonged. Without priesthood authority, however, Christ’s gospel could not be returned to its original form. A restoration was needed.

 

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Great Apostasy​

The Great Apostasy, according to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, began shortly after the ascension of Jesus Christ and continued until the Restoration through Joseph Smith in 1820. It was initiated by the persecution and martyrdom of the Apostles, which led to the loss of priesthood authority and the keys to direct and receive revelation for the Church. As the Apostles died, their successors were unable to maintain the original teachings, and the Church became vulnerable to corruption. The process was marked by a combination of external persecution and internal dissension, schism, and disruption. The loss of direct revelation from God meant that the Church was no longer guided by divine authority, allowing error to creep into its teachings and ordinances.

This apostasy was fueled by the introduction of pagan philosophies and practices into Christian doctrine and worship, such as Neo-Platonism, Aristotelianism, and Asceticism, which were seen as corrupting the pure teachings of Jesus Christ. The adoption of doctrines like the Trinity, as defined at the Council of Nicaea, is viewed by Latter-day Saints as a result of human debate and political influence rather than divine revelation, representing a significant departure from Christ's original gospel. The Church's organization and government were also altered without divine authority, and unauthorized additions and changes were made to essential ordinances. The result was a widespread falling away from the true principles of the gospel, leading to a state of spiritual darkness where the fullness of the gospel was lost from the earth. This period of apostasy is believed to have lasted for over a thousand years, with the Church of Jesus Christ being restored in 1830 through Joseph Smith.

 

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Gospel Topic: Apostasy​

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[Mack The Finger]

Do you know where Saint Peter's bones are ?

 

[onefour1]

Do you know where Saint Peter's bones are ?

The Apostle Peter was resurrected and appeared before the Prophet Joseph Smith to restore the Melchizedek priesthood. So Peter's bones are with his resurrected body.

Doctrine and Covenants 27:12
12 And also with Peter, and James, and John, whom I have sent unto you, by whom I have ordained you and confirmed you to be apostles, and especial witnesses of my name, and bear the keys of your ministry and of the same things which I revealed unto them;

 

[Mack The Finger]

The Apostle Peter was resurrected and appeared before the Prophet Joseph Smith to restore the Melchizedek priesthood. So Peter's bones are with his resurrected body.

Can you believed the Harps have been pulling a hoax for 2,000+ years

The tomb of Saint Peter is located beneath the main altar of the Vatican Basilica.

A grave was dug on the southern slopes of the Vatican hill, right in front of the circus that was the scene of persecutions against Christians at the time of Emperor Nero (54-68).

On this modest burial site, a century after the Apostle's martyrdom, a small funerary aedicule was built, recorded by the priest Gaius at the end of the second century, as the historian Eusebius of Caesarea relates: “I can show you the trophies of the apostles. For if you want to go out to the Vatican or on your way to Ostia, you will find there the trophies of those who founded this Church” (Storia Ecclesiastica, 2, 25, 6-7).

The Tomb of Saint Peter

The tomb of Saint Peter is located beneath the main altar of the Vatican Basilica.

www.basilicasanpietro.va

Question – Over the years several people have told me they visited St Peter’s tomb beneath the Vatican Basilica. I have never been to Rome myself and admit to being somewhat sceptical about this. Is there really such a tomb and, if so, what evidence is there that it is St Peter’s?

By Fr John Flader

THERE is substantial and very trustworthy evidence of the tomb of the apostle Peter beneath St Peter’s Basilica.

We know that Emperor Nero ordered St Peter’s crucifixion around the year 64 AD.

After the massive fire which destroyed a great part of Rome that year, Nero blamed the Christians for the fire and he had St Peter, their presumed leader, along with many other Christians, put to death. Following the Christian custom, St Peter’s body was buried near the site of his martyrdom. Around 325 AD, Emperor Constantine I had a large basilica with five aisles built over St Peter’s tomb to honour his memory. The altar of the basilica was directly over the tomb.

When the basilica collapsed, Pope Julius II in 1503 initiated the construction of a new one on the site, the present St Peter’s Basilica.
When Michelangelo was designing it, he ensured that the dome was over St Peter’s tomb.

Beneath the dome, the main altar was directly over the tomb. When the foundation was being laid for Gian Lorenzo Bernini’s four twisted bronze columns of the baldacchino over the altar, several tombs were discovered beneath the Basilica.

https://catholicleader.com.au/life/faith/qa-are-the-bones-of-st-peter-really-beneath-the-vatican-basilica/

 

[Votto]

The Apostle Peter was resurrected and appeared before the Prophet Joseph Smith to restore the Melchizedek priesthood. So Peter's bones are with his resurrected body.

Doctrine and Covenants 27:12
12 And also with Peter, and James, and John, whom I have sent unto you, by whom I have ordained you and confirmed you to be apostles, and especial witnesses of my name, and bear the keys of your ministry and of the same things which I revealed unto them;

So, you are a Mormon.

Correct?

 

[fncceo]

wicked people persecuted and killed many Church members

To be fair, they were pretty annoying ...

 

[Cougarbear]

Can you believed the Harps have been pulling a hoax for 2,000+ years

The tomb of Saint Peter is located beneath the main altar of the Vatican Basilica.

A grave was dug on the southern slopes of the Vatican hill, right in front of the circus that was the scene of persecutions against Christians at the time of Emperor Nero (54-68).

On this modest burial site, a century after the Apostle's martyrdom, a small funerary aedicule was built, recorded by the priest Gaius at the end of the second century, as the historian Eusebius of Caesarea relates: “I can show you the trophies of the apostles. For if you want to go out to the Vatican or on your way to Ostia, you will find there the trophies of those who founded this Church” (Storia Ecclesiastica, 2, 25, 6-7).

The Tomb of Saint Peter

The tomb of Saint Peter is located beneath the main altar of the Vatican Basilica.

www.basilicasanpietro.va

Question – Over the years several people have told me they visited St Peter’s tomb beneath the Vatican Basilica. I have never been to Rome myself and admit to being somewhat sceptical about this. Is there really such a tomb and, if so, what evidence is there that it is St Peter’s?

By Fr John Flader

THERE is substantial and very trustworthy evidence of the tomb of the apostle Peter beneath St Peter’s Basilica.

We know that Emperor Nero ordered St Peter’s crucifixion around the year 64 AD.

After the massive fire which destroyed a great part of Rome that year, Nero blamed the Christians for the fire and he had St Peter, their presumed leader, along with many other Christians, put to death. Following the Christian custom, St Peter’s body was buried near the site of his martyrdom. Around 325 AD, Emperor Constantine I had a large basilica with five aisles built over St Peter’s tomb to honour his memory. The altar of the basilica was directly over the tomb.

When the basilica collapsed, Pope Julius II in 1503 initiated the construction of a new one on the site, the present St Peter’s Basilica.
When Michelangelo was designing it, he ensured that the dome was over St Peter’s tomb.

Beneath the dome, the main altar was directly over the tomb. When the foundation was being laid for Gian Lorenzo Bernini’s four twisted bronze columns of the baldacchino over the altar, several tombs were discovered beneath the Basilica.

https://catholicleader.com.au/life/faith/qa-are-the-bones-of-st-peter-really-beneath-the-vatican-basilica/

Has anyone actually looked to see if the bones still exist?

 

[Mack The Finger]

Has anyone actually looked to see if the bones still exist?

YES !

 

[ding]

LDS brainwashing.

 

[Cougarbear]

YES !

Who? And, what proof do you have that they are actually Peter's bones?

 

[Mack The Finger]

Who? And, what proof do you have that they are actually Peter's bones?

Records !

Saint Peter was the first Pope (Bishop of Rome) since than there is a unbroken chain to the present Pope. So the guy before him told the guy before him.

BTW: It seems like you are looking for a argument and not to seek knowledge.

I am not here to debate you...just to inform what I know.

“We should always allow some time to elapse, for time discloses the truth. “- Seneca

 

[Cougarbear]

Records !

BTW: I am not here to debate you...just to inform what I know.

“We should always allow some time to elapse, for time discloses the truth. “- Seneca

What records can prove they are his bones? Do we have DNA from the bones and some other source to connect the bones? No.
Of course, as I explained to a science teacher once, God doesn't need our actual complete bones and all to resurrect all who have lived on Earth since Adam and Eve, including Adam and Eve. Just the DNA. In Jesus case, it was only 3 days from his death and raising all his body was quite easy. 60 or 80 billion who have lived on the earth, many bodies completely lost, Just the DNA. I'm wondering if the DNA actually transfers to the spirit at death and the DNA goes to Spirit Prison awaiting the resurrection.

 

[Mack The Finger]

I'm wondering if the DNA actually transfers to the spirit at death and the DNA goes to Spirit Prison awaiting the resurrection.

Yeah...DNA goes to Spirit Prison to.

It is in the Bible but I forget where.

 

[onefour1]

Records !

Saint Peter was the first Pope (Bishop of Rome) since than there is a unbroken chain to the present Pope. So the guy before him told the guy before him.

BTW: It seems like you are looking for a argument and not to seek knowledge.

I am not here to debate you...just to inform what I know.

“We should always allow some time to elapse, for time discloses the truth. “- Seneca

Peter was never a Pope.

Matthew 23:9
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Peter was never a Pope.

You are right...he was called The Bishop of Rome and was the first leader of the Catholic Church.

 

[onefour1]

You are right...he was called The Bishop of Rome and was the first leader of the Catholic Church.

Peter was actually called to a much higher calling than a Bishop. Peter was called to be the lead Apostle of the Church.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Peter was actually called to a much higher calling than a Bishop. Peter was called to be the lead Apostle of the Church.

His title was Bishop of Rome.

Do you know what a saint is ?

Was Peter the first pope? The answer is “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles, and the New Testament does not demonstrate that he held primacy. Nowhere in Peter’s writings does he claim any special role, authority, or power over the body of Christ. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter or any other apostle state that his apostolic authority would be passed on to successors.

Yes, the apostle Peter was often the spokesman for the disciples.* Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts 1—10). However, these truths in no way support the idea that Peter was the first pope, that he was a “father” to all believers, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter was not a pontiff, but he does point us to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).

* He lead the flock