The GOP fighting within the party is getting ugly!

[Man With A Plan]

I am willing to bet, both are GOP party members, as well as close MAGA Party. Bannon is a charter member. Musk basically bought the GOP win for the MAGA party. Not a way on earth, they would have won without, Elon's $277 Million Dollars. GOP and MAGA owe him, and political debts get paid.

With all respect, White? It wasn't money that won Trump the election. Kamala had one and a half BILLION dollars to play with and she got spanked! Trump won because people want competency again. They see that in him and they didn't in her!

 

[Concerned American]

What part of the Trump Administration do you think Bannon occupies, Lucky? He was fired by Trump back in 2017. He now has a podcast. What makes you think Steve Bannon has that kind of influence with Trump? Would he LIKE to have it again? For sure! That doesn't mean he does!

The left is out in force here today. Speculation, history, and woulda, coulda, shoulda is all they have. They're going to have a field day after tomorrow. They'll be howling at the moon every time Trump blinks.

 

[Luckyone]

Like they kicked out the sitting President from the Presidential Nomination he won by democratic process and installed an idiot nominee that lost every swing state and the popular vote kinda ugly?

Until it's THAT ugly, your time would be better spent protecting your own glass house.

What does your post have anything to do with the infighting among the Republicans? And mind you, the fighting is against the richest man in the party (Musk and he is actually the richest man in the world). Is that something that will unite the party to accomplish (as a team) what has been promised? Already, Trump has already started to back off the strong tariffs that he promised to lay China (because of Musk). So now and automatically, the question pops up "which one is correct?"

Your post did not address that.

 

[White 6]

With all respect, White? It wasn't money that won Trump the election. Kamala had one and a half BILLION dollars to play with and she got spanked! Trump won because people want competency again. They see that in him and they didn't in her!

She and her party blew their money without effect, but his money was what let the Trump campaign continue. As you said, they spent over $500 million against Trump and his $425 Million Dollar campaign. Without Musk, Trump would have had a $148 Million campaign, with a heck of lot less ground support, advertising and events, no doubt about it. Rank and file usual supporters just did not come through for the GOP. Elon saved their ass.

 

[Concerned American]

What does your post have anything to do with the infighting among the Republicans? And mind you, the fighting is against the richest man in the party (Musk and he is actually the richest man in the world). Is that something that will unite the party to accomplish (as a team) what has been promised? Already, Trump has already started to back off the strong tariffs that he promised to lay China (because of Musk). So now and automatically, the question pops up "which one is correct?"

Your post did not address that.

Hide and watch. There is NOTHING to address until tomorrow. I am sure you'll find truckloads of minutiae to run around under your tin hat then.

 

[Luckyone]

What part of the Trump Administration do you think Bannon occupies, Lucky? He was fired by Trump back in 2017. He now has a podcast. What makes you think Steve Bannon has that kind of influence with Trump? Would he LIKE to have it again? For sure! That doesn't mean he does!

Bannon was Trump's Chief Strategist in 2017, so evidently Trump and Bannon were on the same page once. Him getting fired just shows that Trump is extremely fickle and does change his mind easily, as is proof right now in this China tariffs that have likely been reduced because of Musk. As such, Trump's previous Chief Strategist is saying that Musk is evil. Who is right? Does Trump have any credibility based on his past history of hiring and then firing 85% of the people he chose?

 

[Concerned American]

Bannon was Trump's Chief Strategist in 2017, so evidently Trump and Bannon were on the same page once. Him getting fired just shows that Trump is extremely fickle and does change his mind easily, as is proof right now in this China tariffs that have likely been reduced because of Musk. As such, Trump's previous Chief Strategist is saying that Musk is evil. Who is right? Does Trump have any credibility based on his past history of hiring and then firing 85% of the people he chose?

Trump was a political outsider in 2016. He had an 8 year education in how DC works. He is picking his cabinet from people he has closely observed and interacted with for the past four years. People he can trust. There are few, if any, swamp critters in his cabinet.

 

[elektra]

I am willing to bet, both are GOP party members, as well as close MAGA Party. Bannon is a charter member. Musk basically bought the GOP win for the MAGA party. Not a way on earth, they would have won without, Elon's $277 Million Dollars. GOP and MAGA owe him, and political debts get paid.

You voted for Biden oblivious to the dementia.
Then of course there was the free advertising Biden and Kamala got from all of the mass media, fromm CNN to the newspapers.
$10 billion in free advertising given to the democrats, all in favor of democrats.

Trump was going to win no matter what

 

[scruffy]

Outslide of which party? The Republican Party or the Trump MAGA Party? Bannon is trying to guard the Trump MAGA Party.

Traditional conservatism died with Pat Buchanan.

Just like there's no such thing as a traditional Democrat anymore.

Today's Republicans are about 2/3 populists (which is what you call the Trump/MAGA wing) and 1/3 mostly apolitical business people whose main alignment with the GOP is lower taxes and favorable business conditions.

Populists are very close to right wing libertarians like myself. And in turn, we are both very close to traditional liberals (note I didn't say Democrats). We value our rights. Rights to speech, self defense, and fair redress are at the top of the list, and that word "redress" is very broad and includes things like elections, civil and criminal law, and protests.

And the business types under the Big Tent, tell us we shouldn't be paying for services we're not getting. And that concept is also very broad and covers things like cops kneeling for communists and a Congress that hasn't passed a budget in 30 years and refuses to stop spending non-existent money.

Personally I identify as a libertarian, not registered as a Republican and don't have a dog in Republican races. But I was raised by a hippie dad and a conservative mom, and dad was by my 9 year old side during the antiwar protests in the 60's. I used to have hair down to my butt and probably smoked more weed in my.life than Snoop. So I like peace, and I like freedom.

And I don't like censorship. And since I'm reasonably well educated I don't like the twisting of the truth. Both of which are very dangerous, the first debatably more so than the second. As far as I'm concerned we need to decentralize political power in this country, so things like this don't happen. And the way to do that is by controlling the purse strings.

The problem is that Congress which controls the purse strings, will never vote to control their own purse strings. So it devolves to us the voters, to control the people who control the purse strings. Which means we have to stop voting for the people who don't want things that way.

Which in turn means, the institutions that presently control these people through their purse strings, need to be constrained. Both parties at present are nothing more than gigantic money laundering machines. As far as I'm concerned we could take them both apart and the country would be better off for it.

 

[Man With A Plan]

She and her party blew their money without effect, but his money was what let the Trump campaign continue. As you said, they spent over $500 million against Trump and his $425 Million Dollar campaign. Without Musk, Trump would have had a $148 Million campaign, with a heck of lot less ground support, advertising and events, no doubt about it. Rank and file usual supporters just did not come through for the GOP. Elon saved their ass.

Kamala spent 1 1/2 Billion and was 30 million in debt. Trump spent a fraction of that and had a surplus when the campaign was finished. This was never about money. The truth is that Trump is a master of getting his message out through free media.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Bannon was Trump's Chief Strategist in 2017, so evidently Trump and Bannon were on the same page once. Him getting fired just shows that Trump is extremely fickle and does change his mind easily, as is proof right now in this China tariffs that have likely been reduced because of Musk. As such, Trump's previous Chief Strategist is saying that Musk is evil. Who is right? Does Trump have any credibility based on his past history of hiring and then firing 85% of the people he chose?

So how does one of the ones Trump fired hold sway over his favorite now? This string of yours is laughable...as usual.

 

[westwall]

I am willing to bet, both are GOP party members, as well as close MAGA Party. Bannon is a charter member. Musk basically bought the GOP win for the MAGA party. Not a way on earth, they would have won without, Elon's $277 Million Dollars. GOP and MAGA owe him, and political debts get paid.

Kameltoe outspent Trump by over two to one. It wasn't money she lacked. It was honesty, charisma, competency, humility, and a host of other personal traits that she lacks.

 

[Orangecat]

The GOP fighting within the party is getting ugly as one of the "biggies" in the party (Steve Bannon) has accused Musk of being "an evil person".

Steve Bannon goes berserk on Elon Musk, vows to drive him away from White House: ‘He is a truly evil guy’​

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In my opinion, this is pure irony as everyone on the Far right is evil. Accusing someone else within the group of being that is pure hypocrisy.

You should really address the utter failure of your party, son.

 

[Aldo Raine]

That's awful!
Trump will never beat Biden now!

You're correct, tRump never did beat ByeDon!
MAGA

 

[Luckyone]

So how does one of the ones Trump fired hold sway over his favorite now? This string of yours is laughable...as usual.

It holds sway with Trump's people as Bannon is still a highly Conservative person that never left the Far Right. In fact, he is a big representative of the far right, and as such, many Conservatives still listen and believe in him.

It is clearly INFIGHTING in the party and infighting is disruptive. Of course, to people like you that are Trump ass kissers and everyone else is to be ignored, it is meaningless.

 

[Man With A Plan]

It holds sway with Trump's people as Bannon is still a highly Conservative person that never left the Far Right. In fact, he is a big representative of the far right, and as such, many Conservatives still listen and believe in him.

It is clearly INFIGHTING in the party and infighting is disruptive. Of course, to people like you that are Trump ass kissers and everyone else is to be ignored, it is meaningless.

You on the left are so desperate to stir up INFIGHTING in the GOP, Lucky! To be honest with you this might be the most united I've seen Republicans since Newt Gingrich and the Contract With America. There are disagreements for sure but there is also a recognition that if they don't work together nothing will work and they will get replaced in the Mid Terms so they're on board for the Trump agenda.

In reality the serious infighting is going to be on the Democratic side as they try to figure out a new agenda that will win back voters. The Progressive Wing has taken the party so far to the left that they've lost the middle completely. Democrat leadership either takes back control or they're going to continue to lose but the Progressive Caucus is not giving an inch and are dug in to fight any move to the center.

 

[Luckyone]

You on the left are so desperate to stir up INFIGHTING in the GOP, Lucky! To be honest with you this might be the most united I've seen Republicans since Newt Gingrich and the Contract With America. There are disagreements for sure but there is also a recognition that if they don't work together nothing will work and they will get replaced in the Mid Terms so they're on board for the Trump agenda.

If you mean the cult members (like you) being blindly supportive of Trump, I will agree with you. I have never seen such a big cult in my life. If you mean Republicans (as a party) being united, that is a fantasy. Never have I seen so many Republicans repudiate the party (Bannon saying Musk is evil, the repudiation of McCarthy, the high amount of Republicans leaving the party, and the Billionaires vs the common person running the show are perfect examples). That is not unity by any stretch of the imagination. Most Republicans are not on the Far Right but unfortunately the Far Right is in control and all extremes will always have problems with unison as extremes (of anything) are not supported by most people.

In reality the serious infighting is going to be on the Democratic side as they try to figure out a new agenda that will win back voters. The Progressive Wing has taken the party so far to the left that they've lost the middle completely. Democrat leadership either takes back control or they're going to continue to lose but the Progressive Caucus is not giving an inch and are dug in to fight any move to the center.

Forget the Democrats. They have no control right now and are not in the picture at all. This presidency is all about ONE thing. Democracy versus Dictatorship and that will be decided by the Republicans themselves. If the House and the Senate follow Trump blindly and on everything, we will lose Democracy and we will have a Dictatorship and that will be decided by the Republicans themselves.

 

[Man With A Plan]

If you mean the cult members (like you) being blindly supportive of Trump, I will agree with you. I have never seen such a big cult in my life. If you mean Republicans (as a party) being united, that is a fantasy. Never have I seen so many Republicans repudiate the party (Bannon saying Musk is evil, the repudiation of McCarthy, the high amount of Republicans leaving the party, and the Billionaires vs the common person running the show are perfect examples). That is not unity by any stretch of the imagination. Most Republicans are not on the Far Right but unfortunately the Far Right is in control and all extremes will always have problems with unison as extremes (of anything) are not supported by most people.


Forget the Democrats. They have no control right now and are not in the picture at all. This presidency is all about ONE thing. Democracy versus Dictatorship and that will be decided by the Republicans themselves. If the House and the Senate follow Trump blindly and on everything, we will lose Democracy and we will have a Dictatorship and that will be decided by the Republicans themselves.

"The high amount of Republicans leaving the party..." What are you talking about? It's Democrats that are leaving...not Republicans.

 

[White 6]

Traditional conservatism died with Pat Buchanan.

Just like there's no such thing as a traditional Democrat anymore.

Today's Republicans are about 2/3 populists (which is what you call the Trump/MAGA wing) and 1/3 mostly apolitical business people whose main alignment with the GOP is lower taxes and favorable business conditions.

Populists are very close to right wing libertarians like myself. And in turn, we are both very close to traditional liberals (note I didn't say Democrats). We value our rights. Rights to speech, self defense, and fair redress are at the top of the list, and that word "redress" is very broad and includes things like elections, civil and criminal law, and protests.

And the business types under the Big Tent, tell us we shouldn't be paying for services we're not getting. And that concept is also very broad and covers things like cops kneeling for communists and a Congress that hasn't passed a budget in 30 years and refuses to stop spending non-existent money.

Personally I identify as a libertarian, not registered as a Republican and don't have a dog in Republican races. But I was raised by a hippie dad and a conservative mom, and dad was by my 9 year old side during the antiwar protests in the 60's. I used to have hair down to my butt and probably smoked more weed in my.life than Snoop. So I like peace, and I like freedom.

And I don't like censorship. And since I'm reasonably well educated I don't like the twisting of the truth. Both of which are very dangerous, the first debatably more so than the second. As far as I'm concerned we need to decentralize political power in this country, so things like this don't happen. And the way to do that is by controlling the purse strings.

The problem is that Congress which controls the purse strings, will never vote to control their own purse strings. So it devolves to us the voters, to control the people who control the purse strings. Which means we have to stop voting for the people who don't want things that way.

Which in turn means, the institutions that presently control these people through their purse strings, need to be constrained. Both parties at present are nothing more than gigantic money laundering machines. As far as I'm concerned we could take them both apart and the country would be better off for it.

I'm in 90% agreement, though I don't think the Democrats are really all that much different than in the 80s and 90s, quick to support flighty half thought out positions and causes, without looking down the road to real societal impact. Kind of flighty, always needing a conservative balance, to there everything for everybody, all the time, fancies of youth.

Not a party member and never have been. Both are fairly corrupted by their big money sides, certainly not conservative, even on the Republican side of the divide. I, too, am a fiscal conservative, for government, just as I have been personally and in business work. I usually vote the current lessor of the two evils, to let the pendulum swing. If absolutely cannot stomach either, Rep or Dem, I have voted Libertarian in a Presidential race, though had no illusions Gary Johnson could pull it off, but he would have been better than Don or Hillary.

 

[Man With A Plan]

I'm in 90% agreement, though I don't think the Democrats are really all that much different than in the 80s and 90s, quick to support flighty half thought out positions and causes, without looking down the road to real societal impact. Kind of flighty, always needing a conservative balance, to there everything for everybody, all the time, fancies of youth.

Not a party member and never have been. Both are fairly corrupted by their big money sides, certainly not conservative, even on the Republican side of the divide. I, too, am a fiscal conservative, for government, just as I have been personally and in business work. I usually vote the current lessor of the two evils, to let the pendulum swing. If absolutely cannot stomach either, Rep or Dem, I have voted Libertarian in a Presidential race, though had no illusions Gary Johnson could pull it off, but he would have been better than Don or Hillary.

So you must like what Trump is trying to do with DOGE?