The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

[PMZ]

Has the ACA collapsed yet?

Republicans have spent billions and 4 years trying to achieve that. They've given up all pretense of governance as a result. They've failed all around.

It will go down in history as their death rattle.

Ya'll are acting like that it's only the repubs that want this to fail.
The only ones that want this are the ones that would follow their messiah over a cliff.

One just has to look at the anemic economy, the unemployment, the underemployed, and the talk of the new full time worker being 30 hours employed a week.
Yeah, things are really honky dory in your lala land.

I'm as upset at the failure of business to grow as you are. They've thrown the country under the bus because it's so personally rewarding for executives. They choose to not reinvest earnings in new products and customer service and reward themselves with majestic bonuses and obscene profits.

The only force left standing to get them off their dead asses are us consumers.

 

[koshergrl]

Obamacare does nothing to change the private enterprise nature of health care delivery or insurance. It only insists on personal responsibility from each of us for our own health care costs.

This is a blatant and outrageous lie and you ******* know it. Stop being a disingenuous asshole and have an honest discussion or go the **** away. We don't the liberal propaganda here.

The fact that millions and millions and millions have people have lost their health insurance is not because Obamacare "does nothing to change" the private sector insurance. Quite the contrary, it created a **** load of ignorant regulations which smugly and arrogantly (in typical Dumbocrat fashion) states "I don't care if you are happy with your insurance, I know what is best for you".

Would you like to try again *****? Maybe this time, try being honest?

Your ignorance angers you. It angers me too, but you insist on it anyway.

What's that about?

Actually, obamacare does change the nature of private enterprise, because it mandates that people purchase, and insurers provide, particular benefits. If they do not, they are fined. Charity providers associated with churches and hospitals have already been shut down....the sick people of our nation who were previously receiving care from those organizations are now without coverage...and they haven't received obamacare yet. So their ongoing treatment is halted, and they don't know when or from whom it will be taken up again.

Many of them will not be allowed to use their old care providers...and while in the cities this is not viewed as a huge problem, trust me, outside of city walls, it is. In communities that are 60+ miles from the next available health care provider, for the sick, elderly, disabled, and poor this is an obstacle that is unsurmountable.

 

[beagle9]

What things that are illegal today are you compelled to do?

For starters, the right to decide whether or not to purchase a good or service. Any other obvious answers you have questions for, stupid?

Rott, in this health care debate, where so many are involved upon this ladder in which we are all standing upon now, I ask shouldn't people be figuring out how to accomplish what has been set out to do (together), and this in order to solve the crisis as a team instead of from within this infighting that is going on so bad in this nation now ?

Have you addressed the free loader mentality I talked about in this nation within this debate, and how that has run our health care into free loader oblivion over time ? I mean we are a nation that has changed so much from the past, especially in the birth rates and the types of populations we have now over time, where as people are becoming older and older without as much relief coming in from the bottom rungs as there once used to be, so I use this for just one example in the debate, where as there are many afflictions in this problem we have now in the scheme of things. A lot of this is all because the economy has faltered in these bubbles created through out the years, and the greed that has gone on within these bubbles, so now businesses have cut back therefore throwing hundreds of thousands onto the federal government roles for the feds to figure out how to take care of them, so what are the feds supposed to do in order to get relief from those numbers in which are steady coming in ?

What I guess they are attempting to do in this health care thing, is they are trying to force people to be responsible or get fined for not being responsible, and isn't that a good thing ? I'm not sure how it is all going over on a population who is more unemployed these days, than they were say 40 years ago, but somewhere in time we all have to pay the piper, and it appears that the time has come for that. Now it could be done best with bi-partisanship for sure, but the war goes on within, and because of this war, we are getting what we are getting as a result of such an inward war that has taken place over time now. We have all been put in this stressed out position because of others known actions over time, and they are superior at throwing that blame off of themselves, and causing mayhem and confusion as a result of what has transpired over time now. We must open our eyes and see what is going on, and we must protect ourselves from those who see it all as a weakness that could usher in a period in which certain ones profit now, meanwhile millions suffer still in the scheme of things.

 

[koshergrl]

This is the reality of obamacare...sick, sick people who are losing their coverage and don't know when they will get it again:

With Three Weeks Left, Consumers Fear They May End Up Without Health Coverage On New Year?s Day - Kaiser Health News

 

[koshergrl]

And in turn, the sick people are all waiting for benefits...but the healthy people who are supposed to pay premiums are opting to pay the fines instead, because the fines are cheaper.

Which means the insurance coverage will get worse and worse...and the fines larger and larger....

Good going, liberals.

 

[PMZ]

This is a blatant and outrageous lie and you ******* know it. Stop being a disingenuous asshole and have an honest discussion or go the **** away. We don't the liberal propaganda here.

The fact that millions and millions and millions have people have lost their health insurance is not because Obamacare "does nothing to change" the private sector insurance. Quite the contrary, it created a **** load of ignorant regulations which smugly and arrogantly (in typical Dumbocrat fashion) states "I don't care if you are happy with your insurance, I know what is best for you".

Would you like to try again *****? Maybe this time, try being honest?

Your ignorance angers you. It angers me too, but you insist on it anyway.

What's that about?

Actually, obamacare does change the nature of private enterprise, because it mandates that people purchase, and insurers provide, particular benefits. If they do not, they are fined. Charity providers associated with churches and hospitals have already been shut down....the sick people of our nation who were previously receiving care from those organizations are now without coverage...and they haven't received obamacare yet. So their ongoing treatment is halted, and they don't know when or from whom it will be taken up again.

Many of them will not be allowed to use their old care providers...and while in the cities this is not viewed as a huge problem, trust me, outside of city walls, it is. In communities that are 60+ miles from the next available health care provider, for the sick, elderly, disabled, and poor this is an obstacle that is unsurmountable.

Thank God for Medicare and Medicaid that take care of the vast majority of the sick, elderly, disabled, and poor.

The rest will have vastly improved health care under ObamaCare as the launch issues go away. Most of them have already.

 

[koshergrl]

The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

A month later Rott has fail.

Let's move on.

Liar.

"
But neither Mr. Zients nor the Department of Health and Human Services indicated how many people were completing all the steps required to enroll in a health plan through the federal site, which serves residents of 36 states.
And unless enrollments are completed correctly, coverage may be in doubt.
For insurers the process is maddeningly inconsistent. Some people clearly are being enrolled. But insurers say they are still getting duplicate files and, more worrisome, sometimes not receiving information on every enrollment taking place.
“Health plans can’t process enrollments they don’t receive,” said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans.
Despite talk from time to time of finding some sort of workaround, experts say insurers have little choice but to wait for the government to fix these problems. The insurers are in “an unenviable position,” said Brett Graham, a managing director at Leavitt Partners, which has been advising states and others on the exchanges. “Although they don’t have the responsibility or the capability to fix the system, they’re reliant on it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/b...h-site.html?smid=tw-share&pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[koshergrl]

Your ignorance angers you. It angers me too, but you insist on it anyway.

What's that about?

Actually, obamacare does change the nature of private enterprise, because it mandates that people purchase, and insurers provide, particular benefits. If they do not, they are fined. Charity providers associated with churches and hospitals have already been shut down....the sick people of our nation who were previously receiving care from those organizations are now without coverage...and they haven't received obamacare yet. So their ongoing treatment is halted, and they don't know when or from whom it will be taken up again.

Many of them will not be allowed to use their old care providers...and while in the cities this is not viewed as a huge problem, trust me, outside of city walls, it is. In communities that are 60+ miles from the next available health care provider, for the sick, elderly, disabled, and poor this is an obstacle that is unsurmountable.

Thank God for Medicare and Medicaid that take care of the vast majority of the sick, elderly, disabled, and poor.

The rest will have vastly improved health care under ObamaCare as the launch issues go away. Most of them have already.

You ******* idiot. Medicaid clients are in the middle of this. Medicaid clients have been turned over to the obamacare system, which means though MOST of them have been given an automatic 6-month "bypass end date" (i.e. eligibility extension) the ones who are applying for medicaid NOW must go through the same nightmare system.

So our NEW maa (tanf medical) families and children are facing the same nightmare. I have dealt with sick and pregnant women calling me to ask "where's my medical? I am supposed to see the doctor on Monday". I give them an 800 number, and they're on their own.

 

[koshergrl]

Medicare patients have a 2-year waiting time between the time they are determined eligible for disability and when they actually start receiving medical.

What should they do?

 

[beagle9]

And in turn, the sick people are all waiting for benefits...but the healthy people who are supposed to pay premiums are opting to pay the fines instead, because the fines are cheaper.

Which means the insurance coverage will get worse and worse...and the fines larger and larger....

Good going, liberals.

The only answer then, is a single payer system where all are covered and taxed for it, but why are the people so afraid of this single payer system idea I wonder ?

 

[Meister]

And in turn, the sick people are all waiting for benefits...but the healthy people who are supposed to pay premiums are opting to pay the fines instead, because the fines are cheaper.

Which means the insurance coverage will get worse and worse...and the fines larger and larger....

Good going, liberals.

The only answer then, is a single payer system where all are covered and taxed for it, but why are the people so afraid of this single payer system idea I wonder ?

Really? Maybe that the government takes over an industry, they are able to dictate premium prices and coverage without any competition, and you have to wonder why people are afraid of it? Sheesh, the government isn't capable of running a business, it's been proven.
Socialists just can't help themselves, can they beagle?

PS....the only answer is NOT a single payer system if you wanted to do some critical thinking on your own.

 

[koshergrl]

No, that isn't the answer, lunatic.

You retards aren't capable of recognizing what works well, and what doesn't. The system worked fine..until entitlement freaks started insisting the government needed to be more involved, and more and more people needed to be provided with free health care.

And since that occurred, we have started the descent down from what used to be the nation with the best medical care in the world...to what will eventually be our status as a country with crap medical care that much more closely resembles a third world country's medical care.

And their medical care will improve, as they continue to strive to achieve the hallmarks that we used to strive for.....

 

[koshergrl]

And the loons still think things are going to get better.

It won't. It's going to get worse...and worse...and worse. And eventually they are going to feel it, personally.

And then there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Too bad.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

Nope, but koshergrl continues to defend the indefensible lies being told about ACA.

What she and her colleagues cannot grasp is that we can't now go back to what we had.

Either this is made into an excellent program, or the health care of America will be nationalized.

It is now either or, not either or but. I can hear their gnashing of teeth.

 

[Meister]

This is a blatant and outrageous lie and you ******* know it. Stop being a disingenuous asshole and have an honest discussion or go the **** away. We don't the liberal propaganda here.

The fact that millions and millions and millions have people have lost their health insurance is not because Obamacare "does nothing to change" the private sector insurance. Quite the contrary, it created a **** load of ignorant regulations which smugly and arrogantly (in typical Dumbocrat fashion) states "I don't care if you are happy with your insurance, I know what is best for you".

Would you like to try again *****? Maybe this time, try being honest?

Your ignorance angers you. It angers me too, but you insist on it anyway.

What's that about?

Actually, obamacare does change the nature of private enterprise, because it mandates that people purchase, and insurers provide, particular benefits. If they do not, they are fined. Charity providers associated with churches and hospitals have already been shut down....the sick people of our nation who were previously receiving care from those organizations are now without coverage...and they haven't received obamacare yet. So their ongoing treatment is halted, and they don't know when or from whom it will be taken up again.

Many of them will not be allowed to use their old care providers...and while in the cities this is not viewed as a huge problem, trust me, outside of city walls, it is. In communities that are 60+ miles from the next available health care provider, for the sick, elderly, disabled, and poor this is an obstacle that is unsurmountable.

It was packaged as a means for those who didn't have insurance could get it, NOT if you had it and liked it, tough titty, your going to lose it anyways.

 

[Meister]

The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

Nope, but koshergrl continues to defend the indefensible lies being told about ACA.

What she and her colleagues cannot grasp is that we can't now go back to what we had.

Either this is made into an excellent program, or the health care of America will be nationalized.

It is now either or, not either or but. I can hear their gnashing of teeth.

You seem to be defending Obama's lies regarding the ACA, Jake.
It doesn't have to be nationalized, but your messiah wants it that way. Government owned and operated industry.

 

[P@triot]

What things that are illegal today are you compelled to do?

For starters, the right to decide whether or not to purchase a good or service. Any other obvious answers you have questions for, stupid?

You have nearly infinite choice in this country. One thing you do not have choice in is imposing what's best for you on others. For instance, you are required, both by personal responsibility, and now by law, to pay your own medical bills.

Oh the irony of this ignorant statement. This is EXACTLY what Obamacare does - impose what's best for Obama and his party on others.

There is a much better solution which is Constitutional and still implements FREEDOM and CHOICE for the American people - the right of any physician, healthcare provider, or hospital to deny service to someone who can't or won't pay (just like it used to be).

See, this whole problem started in the early 1980's when Tip O'Neill and the Dumbocrat-controlled Congress passed a bill which effectively repealed the 13th Amendment and brought back slavery (something Dumbocrats have been fighting for since they had their asses handed to them in the Civil War). Once people and organizations were FORCED (a Dumbocrats favorite thing) to provide their labor at no charge, the entire thing started to go to shit.

We're literally living Atlas Shrugged. Dumbocrats stick their nose where they have no Constitutional authority and they **** it up. From the nightmare they created, they stick their nose in again and **** it up further with Obamacare. Once doctors refuse to take Medicare/Medicaid because it's not worth it to them, the Dumbocrats will **** it up further and FORCE doctors to accept it. Of course, the result of that will be doctors quitting and future doctors choosing another profession.

Dumbocrats create the problem, then interfere further to "correct" the problem they created in the first place, which just ***** up everything further, which causes them to believe more intervention is required. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

As I said, we are literally living Atlas Shrugged.

 

[Meister]

For starters, the right to decide whether or not to purchase a good or service. Any other obvious answers you have questions for, stupid?

You have nearly infinite choice in this country. One thing you do not have choice in is imposing what's best for you on others. For instance, you are required, both by personal responsibility, and now by law, to pay your own medical bills.

Oh the irony of this ignorant statement. This is EXACTLY what Obamacare does - impose what's best for Obama and his party on others.

There is a much better solution which is Constitutional and still implements FREEDOM and CHOICE for the American people - the right of any physician, healthcare provider, or hospital to deny service to someone who can't or won't pay (just like it used to be).

See, this whole problem started in the early 1980's when Tip O'Neill and the Dumbocrat-controlled Congress passed a bill which effectively repealed the 13th Amendment and brought back slavery (something Dumbocrats have been fighting for since they had their asses handed to them in the Civil War). Once people and organizations were FORCED (a Dumbocrats favorite thing) to provide their labor at no charge, the entire thing started to go to shit.

We're literally living Atlas Shrugged. Dumbocrats stick their nose where they have no Constitutional authority and they **** it up. From the nightmare they created, they stick their nose in again and **** it up further with Obamacare. Once doctors refuse to take Medicare/Medicaid because it's not worth it to them, the Dumbocrats will **** it up further and FORCE doctors to accept it. Of course, the result of that will be doctors quitting and future doctors choosing another profession.

Dumbocrats create the problem, then interfere further to "correct" the problem they created in the first place, which just ***** up everything further, which causes them to believe more intervention is required. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

As I said, we are literally living Atlas Shrugged.

I don't even respond to that twit any longer. He won't admit to anything but to his socialist agenda and ignore the facts along the way that disproves his premise.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

Nope, but koshergrl continues to defend the indefensible lies being told about ACA.

What she and her colleagues cannot grasp is that we can't now go back to what we had.

Either this is made into an excellent program, or the health care of America will be nationalized.

It is now either or, not either or but. I can hear their gnashing of teeth.

You seem to be defending Obama's lies regarding the ACA, Jake.
It doesn't have to be nationalized, but your messiah wants it that way. Government owned and operated industry.

You seem to not understand what I am saying: we aren't going back.

If the far right and responsible conservatives work to improve the program, the program does not have to be nationalized.

 

[P@triot]

Has the ACA collapsed yet?

Republicans have spent billions and 4 years trying to achieve that. They've given up all pretense of governance as a result. They've failed all around.

It will go down in history as their death rattle.

And yet for every delcaration by you ignorant Dumbocrats that the Republicans are "dead" and "can't win an election", how odd that this nation has become a shit hole which you keep blaming them for...

For the millionth time now PMZ, can you please create a consistent narrative that doesn't contradict itself. Either the Republicans are the power in this nation which are destroying this country, or they are dead and it's the Dumbocrats who have destroyed this nation (just like the Dumbocrats did to Detroit).