The future of Russia is in a confederation with China and India

[toomuchtime_]

As I said before at first the corrupted gang of idiot Putin shall get kick in its ass.
Thereafter we'll see

It's not a question of personalities, but the simple fact Russia has nothing to offer India or China but natural resources it must sell to them at huge discounts anyway because of the sanctions.

 

[toomuchtime_]

But it's more profitable as to send oil directly to the West

It is far less profitable and that's why Russia ran a $25 billion deficit in January.

 

[para bellum]

Europe always paid more than China and India for Russian gas, even before sanctions.

Putin has assured Russia's status as a client state of China from here on out. He will do Xi's bidding just like KIm has to do. No choice.

India will straddle the fence like always.

 

[Doug1943]

It is in the interests of the West to gently, subtly, behind-the-scenes and under-the-counters, help all nations advance towards liberal democracy. This includes China and India.

This goal is not accomplished by invading them and engaging in 'nation-building'. Nations are not 'built' -- they 'grow'. We can affect the environment in which they grow, but no more than that.

It is also in the interests of the West to do what it can to pull the Russians -- not the 'Russian Federation' -- into Europe, where they belong.

The American government foreign policy people did not have this attitude after Russian peacefully withdrew from Eastern Europe -- a buffer zone between them and Germany, which has a historical habit of invading Russia -- and shrugging off Communism. We're now paying the price for that.

A footnote: China does not need lebensraum in Siberia. It needs people, of which it's running out. The Chinese birth rate, like the birth rate of all reasonably-advanced countries which begin to educate their women -- including Iran! -- is below replacement level. That 'one-child' policy should have been a 'three-child' policy. Too late now.

And anyone who wants to see war in our century between any nuclear-armed powers is either an idiot, or has worked out a way to be immune to radioactive fallout -- not to mention supply-chain disruption.

 

[xyz]

India is not China's friend. China has occupied and claimed Indian territory.

India-China dispute: The border row explained in 400 words

Sikkim: Chinese and Indian troops 'in new border clash'

 

[Doug1943]

India is not China's friend. China has occupied and claimed Indian territory.

India-China dispute: The border row explained in 400 words

Sikkim: Chinese and Indian troops 'in new border clash'

If old Xi were really smart, he'd make the Indians a generous offer to settle that dispute, and informally try to make India a very respected, but still a junior, partner, with China in that part of the world.. Sort of like the US and the UK. But nationalism makes people stupid.

Just like it makes Modi stupid, with respect to his Muslim minority and Kashmir.

Let's stay out of it.

 

[Litwin]

China and India aren't best buds and China wants some of each of their territory.

+1

 

[Doug1943]

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China's going to run out of people, not land. So will Russia. So will Europe. So will India when they start educating their women. We're headed for extinction, unless we can learn how to grow babies in bottles. Of course, we might use our wonderful biowarfare and nuclear technology to speed it up.

 

[Mac-7]

Probably with a common currency in all three countries.
The new confederation becomes the new center of the world

A federation between india and china?

Thats highly unlikely

India needs the west to protect it from china

 

[Litwin]

We're headed for extinction

said 30000 million times before

 

[Doug1943]

said 30000 million times before

Yes. The very-soon-now prediction of the End of the World is a major aspect of at least two great world religions.

But it's also 'religious' (i.e believing something with no evidence for it) to believe that we are somehow a charmed species, watched over by benevolent supernatural creatures who -- despite making life utter hell for so many of us over the millenia, and right now in parts of the world - actually also love us and won't let us destroy ourselves as a species, although they kill us off by the millions, in the most horrible ways, from time to time.

The birthrate among civilized peoples is falling. We're not replacing ourselves. For a population to replace itself, its women must have an average of 2.1 children in their lifetimes.

More than that rate, the population expands. Less, it shrinks. Simple arithmetic. Countering this, is the growth in our longevity. The longer a population lives, on average, the slower the decline. (And if we stopped dying altogether, our population would start increasing again, so long as the birthrate was above zero.)

And then there's the resources to support an expanding population, which are not infinite and put an upper limit on how many people we can have. (In the extreme case: there cannot be a mass of people greater than the mass of the earth. On the other hand, we could populate other planets and their satellites. Then substitute 'solar system' for 'the earth'.)

For those who are interested in this, and know a bit of mathematics, it's a 'logistic function'. A pretty good Wiki article on population growth can be found here: [ Population growth - Wikipedia ]

But right now, we're on the way down. Even Iran's women have decided to stop being baby-making-machines, and are having fewer babies than it takes to replace Iran's population.

There doesn't seem to be any solution to this.

An article on the whole problem, including attempts by various countries to reverse their decline in the birthrate, can be found here:
[ Can China Reverse Its Population Decline? Just Ask Sweden. ]

 

[Ringo]

The longer Russia is able to fight NATO, the more countries will stop fearing the evil of the United States Gov't and gain the courage to defy them.
BRICS is going to become the most powerful alliance and the West will no longer be able to dominate the World